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- blinkerbug, on 11/23/2008, -3/+55The problem is - the people entrenched in the GOP like the county and state GOP leaders are not interested in allowing anyone through the door who does not support war against the Middle East 110%. You can be gay, pro-choice, an atheist, or anything else that is against their platform and and they'll welcome you if you support war... but if you're a fiscal conservative and think our current policy of pre-emptive strikes is nuts then you're not getting into their club.
- muckemuck, on 11/23/2008, -6/+53The folks here: http://ideas.rebuildtheparty.com/ agree..
- Heywoodj, on 11/23/2008, -2/+33Wow I just dugg up a huff po article. I agree with the author but I'm sure his intent was subversive
Or maybe they need something to do for the next 4 years. They certainly won't be criticizing Obama. - anarcurt, on 11/23/2008, -5/+36We (being Libertarian types) cannot cooperate with the religious nuts anymore. If we succeeded in taking back the GOP it would be in transforming it into the party of reason. Religion has a hard time coexisting with reason (especially the extremism practiced by the bible belt types). We cannot bring people over from the Democrats as long as these anti-science anti-progress people have a voice in the party. The biggest problem with 'going it alone' is ballot access. As a third party you put so much effort just to get on a ballot that campaigning can be left behind.
We do have a good chance going forward. Even if he enacts the best policies ever to recover the economy and pulls the troops from every base in the world Obama is inheriting a broken economy that will not be fixed before the next congressional election. - inactive, on 11/23/2008, -2/+29You know it is sad watching the republican party die of ignorance.
Here we had a candidate with sound economic expertise, sound foreign policy, sound domestic policy, and smaller government, and they shunned him. It almost makes me think the republicans deserve what happens next.
After re-electing "W", a president with no coattail, they put up a candidate with no chance of winning the election. In the realm of ideas they are bankrupt. They are in worse shape after every election and this one was the one that put the party in a coma.
If they don't make some drastic changes real soon they will be on life support and then forgotten.
Some people don't understand what got the Republicans in as the majority party in Congress for the first time in forty years back in 1994. They ran as libertarians.
Some people don't understand that a policy of ; ignoring the Constitution, ignoring our national security needs, ignoring the common sense ideas of a smaller less expensive and less intrusive government, entering hot wars in regions where we have no national security interest, and putting the next generation in a hole now more than eleven trillion dollars deep is a recipe for disaster.
We simply can't afford the empire. That was one of the main points of the Paul campaign and one that was not embraced by the republican party controllers. A trillion dollars a year spent keeping our troops in over a hundred nations all over the world is not worth it.
Japan can survive without our military presence. There's no strategic need for our presence in Bosnia, Kosovo, and other regions of Europe. If the Europeans see them as strategically important then let them suck their populace into spending the money and sending the troops.
The huge and bloated federal budget was part of the appeal for the '94 republicans as they promised to reduce the debt. Today's budget makes the FY 94 budget look tiny and it was that budget that caused an unprecedented number of Americans to vote Republican.
The intrusiveness and invasiveness of the federal government has never been bigger. Rights? What rights? The republicans decided that our rights explained in the Constitution are no longer important and the ideas of freedom and liberty are anachronistic.
If the republican leadership seeks to preside over the demise of the party, they are doing an excellent job.
Since the current leadership took over the republicans lost the majority in the House and Senate, lost the White House, lost the majority of governors and lost the majority in state legislatures. They saw their contributions dwindle, their outlook dismal, and their future bleak but we still have people who claim to be republicans who want to continue as they are.
Taking over the leadership of a party with no vision doesn't seem to me to be much of a win.
Personally I would rather contribute my time and effort in a party where time and effort are appreciated.
Clearly the ideas of freedom, liberty, and smaller government are unwanted in the current republican party.
I changed my party affiliation to Libertarian because I don't want to be associated with the party that ran vicious attacks that were untrue against Ron Paul. I don't want to be associated with the party that began two hot wars without declaration, without a plan for what to do after defeating the militayr of the attacked countries, and without regard for the safety and security of our Great Nation.
Yes, it is an opportune time to make a change in the Republican party.
I just don't see it as worth the effort.
After the way they treated the great Dr. Ron Paul, who needs them? - Thinbev, on 11/23/2008, -1/+21I know....
Us Ron Paul Republicans want a government that is fiscally conservative, obeys the constitution and leaves everybody alone. Let us live our own lives and keep our own fruits of our labor.
We want the original American liberty that our forefathers fought for. It's really just common sense...
I'm sure many Americans want the same thing. - inactive, on 11/23/2008, -2/+21"An ad hominem argument, also known as argumentum ad hominem (Latin: 'argument to the man', 'argument against the man') consists of replying to an argument or factual claim by attacking or appealing to a characteristic or belief of the person making the argument or claim, rather than by addressing the substance of the argument or producing evidence against the claim. The process of proving or disproving the claim is thereby subverted, and the argumentum ad hominem works to change the subject."
Don't feed the trolls... - FrozenPie, on 11/23/2008, -2/+20Urrghh the thought of the GOP having Sarah Palin as their pride and joy....urggahha
- tbenathan, on 11/23/2008, -0/+17The future of the Republican party depends on the successful ideological conversion from neo-conservativism to moderate libertarianism.
- Scheissen, on 11/23/2008, -4/+20Sure, then we will go after the Democratic Party next. We are more liberal than you are because we support freedom, liberty, and the non-aggression principle.
- muckemuck, on 11/23/2008, -0/+15The media is pushing hard for it.. the question is will the Republicans just sit back and let it happen (like they did with the loser McCain) or will they quit letting the media pick their candidates.
- kemp34, on 11/23/2008, -1/+16It is fine to be religious, it is a whole seperate thing to try to impose one's religion on others through the force of the state. Religious people are fine, crazy religious control-artists are a problem.
- dagnome1984, on 11/23/2008, -4/+18Get bent. Your libel won't go unnoticed.
- sheeplescareme, on 11/23/2008, -4/+18i've never been a republican; i registered as a libertarian at eighteen. however, ron paul drew me in a few years ago because many of his philosophies are so similar to that of my own (probably because we both adore rothbard and other austrian economists) that i registered as a republican to vote for him in the primaries and campaigned hard for him. he does not compromise his principles for political expediency. we have seen that from the two candidates offered up as "choices" throughout their campaigns and even more so as of late from 0bama. i expect the next four years to get progressively worse.
- Hiltonizer, on 11/23/2008, -0/+14Buried as Huff.... wait... what?
- ProfessorSYM, on 11/23/2008, -1/+13Although I support Barack Obama, I would definitely be interested in seeing the Republican Party rid themselves of the neo-cons and embrace the ideologies of Ron Paul.
Sure, I don't agree with everything he believes (nor should any one of his supporters), but it would definitely make for more honest government if we had more like him in D.C. - goes211, on 11/23/2008, -0/+11WTF? An article on Huffpo that I agree with? Up is down, left is right, ....
- Thinbev, on 11/23/2008, -2/+13All that will change once we go bankrupt and we're forced to bring all our troops home.
The wars won't even be an issue, cause we won't have any... We won't be able to afford any... - inactive, on 11/23/2008, -0/+11This difference is that in this case there really IS good advice in this Huffpost opinion piece!
- lazerus9, on 11/23/2008, -6/+15Ron Paul or the republican party will glean little of value from the huffpost.
Huffpost is a mouthpiece for George Soros. - ricperry1, on 11/23/2008, -1/+10The article isn't suggesting putting Ron Paul in the forefront of the GOP. It is suggesting putting those Ron Paul-like (small "L" libertarian) thinking people in charge. And slowly taking over the GOP is not as far fetched as it may sound. All it takes is people getting involved in local politics enough to start influencing the masses. Once the ideas (the ideas are what's important) catch on, it is only a matter of time before the GOP resembles the libertarian-leaning party of the past.
Arianna Huffington has stated numerous times that, even if an article doesn't agree with her political ideology, she will post it as long as it is respectful and grounded in fact. Don't knock HuffPo just because they have been more correct over the past 4 years than the sites Karl Rove overran. - lazerus9, on 11/23/2008, -0/+8Perfect
- inactive, on 11/23/2008, -1/+8Exactly. And religious people aren't generally as attracted to political power as crazy religious control freaks are. Libertarian types have been forced to hold our noses for nutcases long enough.
- rizzo2008, on 11/23/2008, -3/+10Interesting but I think they are hopeless at this point. My best hope is that the libertarian party may get more national attention but that is almost equally unlikely with the two party system which fight its hardest to ensure they have a monopoly on political opinion and control.
- Xihix, on 11/23/2008, -2/+9I don't understand why the GOP loves Sarah Palin so much as their "new face". She's the same old neocon *****. She's one of the main reasons why McCain lost. The only people she does excite is the base... And the only people that voted for McCain was the base, which lost by almost nine million votes. It's obvious majority isn't't going to and doesn't want to put up with their crap anymore.
- THETEH, on 11/23/2008, -1/+8Since when has the Huffington Post spontaneously switched to supporting Ron Paul?
It's almost like they want their stories to keep hitting the front page, so now that the election's over they're writing about someone they know diggers are obsessed with. - amy31415, on 11/23/2008, -0/+6Oh Herkie, sweetie. Please, get a grip and quit stalking the Ron Paul supporters. Even your pal GoatRoper has moved along. He got his Obama.
Apparently you're throwing fits because you didn't get your neocon RINO McCain and his lovely moose-shooting bimbo assistant. Get over it. Move on. Go into the light. . .there is peace and serenity in the light... - sheeplescareme, on 11/23/2008, -0/+5there are no words to describe how much i detest diggers like yourself.
- MooseOfReason, on 11/24/2008, -0/+5How's he crazy?
- angryfirelord, on 11/23/2008, -0/+5War is Peace; Freedom is Slavery; Ignorance is Strength.
- whataboutdave, on 11/23/2008, -3/+8When will people understand that the revolution really wasn't about Ron Paul? Small L libertarians need to retake the GOP, but we won't do it with a cult of personality built around Dr. Paul.
Get registered GOP and get active. Consider running for office and support those small-government types who do. That's the only way. - mikelieman, on 11/23/2008, -0/+5That won't ever change as long as they can devalue the currency more to 'pay' for their schemes.
The "COUNTRY CLUB" Republicans vs. the "REAL" Republicans.
Of course, the COUNTRY CLUBBERS will continue to control the party.
MY SUGGESTION: New York State has a SEPARATE CONSERVATIVE PARTY, so I'd say if you're tired of the COUNTRY CLUB REPUBLICANS controlling the party, jump ship and form a NATIONAL CONSERVATIVE party which can call out the Country-Club Republicans on their fiscal irresponsibility. - coldkill3r, on 11/23/2008, -1/+5How so?
- inactive, on 11/23/2008, -1/+5I wanted them to get that, but they acted like losers, so now they are losers.
- Dreamzville, on 11/23/2008, -1/+5@NoLibertarians: Sour grapes and *****...I've grown accustomed to your dishing this out! :)
Contrary to popular belief, I've found Huffington Post to be pretty even-handed. Yes, I'm a Democrat, and a liberal. But I also really like Ron Paul and have been feeling he has the most of what the Republican Party needs right now, to rebuild.
No one person can splinter the Republican Party right now...by Nov. 4th, it had already happened. - tajitj, on 11/23/2008, -0/+4Yes my idea scenario would have been Dr. Paul joining the Libertarian party after March 4th where he won his primary. I think that would have been huge. He immediately would have raised millions and would have been all over continueing what we started.
I am hoping that the GOP ignores us and nominates Romeny or Palin. So then a big name runs 3rd party. Ventura is my hope. He is not perfect but would bring up alot of good issues against the party hacks. - Heywoodj, on 11/23/2008, -0/+4Freaken digg I put an /s tag after my first sentence and it disappeared. WTF.
- inactive, on 11/23/2008, -1/+4e^(2pi(i))=1
Join the Resistance
Molon Labe - EatingPie, on 11/23/2008, -8/+11Yeah, since when does Huffington *care* about the Republican Party?
This is like Rush Limbaugh or Glenn Beck advising Democrats on a "palace coup."
-Pie - georgemason01, on 11/24/2008, -1/+4I voted for Paul and I see quite clearly what HuffPo is trying to do. They would like to further agitate relations between us and the GOP, rather than have us work peacefully with them to change the direction of the party. They trashed Paul in favor of their messiah Obama during the election, yet now they're open to his ideas? I call *****.
- inactive, on 11/24/2008, -0/+3The man was given the 'Defender of Habeas Corpus Award' for a reason. Your link is trash.
- vtnerd, on 11/23/2008, -0/+3lmao @ "HuffPo...being more correct...."
HuffPo is more biased than Fox News. Using HuffPo as a "correct" news source is about as intelligent as basing your master's thesis on "The Onion."
*Not a Republican. - lazerus9, on 11/23/2008, -1/+4As you reach out with snide remarks and labels!
I'm not a republican so go back to sleepy time, we'll wake you when things are safe enough for walking around in a fugue state. - vulminiha, on 11/23/2008, -1/+3Only because they keep the most popular suggestions off the frontpage
http://ideas.rebuildtheparty.com/pages/general/sug ...
It's a massive anti-trucknutz conspiracy! - Dreamzville, on 11/23/2008, -0/+2@goes211: Yeah, really. And I just dugg up Cashman57!! =)
- angryfirelord, on 11/23/2008, -1/+3"he doesn't believe in separation of church and state"
Where has he said that? He just doesn't support things like making nativity scenes illegal or supporting the extreme atheist view of banning all religious symbols. He is a supporter of private charity over government welfare, which encompasses more than just churches.
"he tried to ban abortion at the federal level (sanctity of life act)"
Because the Federal government isn't supposed to have moral authority. He still leaves the abortion decision up to the states.
"he supports the state's right to ban sodomy"
Yes, STATE rights. If Texas wants to do it, then let them have their way. The other 49 won't be affected.
"and he denies evolution"
So? Don't make him head of the department of genealogy. He has never mandated teaching Creationism in the classroom. - fasda, on 11/23/2008, -1/+3@Anggryfirelord
So the Congress Paul isn't about individual liberties as so many of his supporters claim he's for states rights. Would that mean he would have been against the voting rights act? not enforced Brown v Board of education? because clearly those are states rights issues. - BotchaMcCoola, on 11/24/2008, -1/+3Give Third Party candidates a fair chance. Look it up, understand it, and then demand Approval Voting.
- georgemason01, on 11/24/2008, -3/+5You trashed and marginalized Paul during the primaries and election season to prop up Obama, and now that the election season is done you want to pander to us? Still buried for HuffPo spam.
- Dreamzville, on 11/23/2008, -0/+2@ricperry1: I couldn't have said it better! Thanks for the anti-cynicism and anti-labeling...I think it's what this country needs!
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