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- poxonyou, on 10/12/2007, -0/+36Oh no, he caught on to the conspiracy! The pro-terrorist, anti-American, family hating, Satan worshipping Democratic party set this whole thing up to bring Hastert and the Republican party down. Foley was actually an undercover Democrat. The liberals carefully worked with Brian Ross, and the editors of major newspapers (who knew of it before but did not publish the information), to release all of this information 5 weeks before the next election. They forced Hastert and the other Republicans who knew about it many months ago to stay silent. [/sarcasm if you didn't figure it out]
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -9/+45Good God, now they're trying to turn Foley into a Martyr?
I might NOT vote conservative this election. If they keep pulling this $hit, I'm voting Libertarian. - flernk, on 10/12/2007, -2/+38It's like the ultimate edition to NBC's "To Catch a Predator" series.
- thoughtcancer, on 10/12/2007, -1/+33Wow. This guy has some huge balls. "Our Election"?? "Going On The Offense"?? Dude, your party is full of moralizing pedophiles, soulless demagogues, and power-mad sociapaths! You have no right to go on any offense whatsoever! Oh, and btw, it's not "your" election; it's OUR Election, and your ass is getting voted out!
- shaun944, on 10/12/2007, -1/+30umm if it was an attempt to get Hastert, then why didn't Hastert himself turn this pedophile in when he learned about the situation at least months ago?
Fact is a lot of congressmen are rightfully going to burn, because not only was Foley a pedophile, many of these ***** have known about it for an extended period of time (pages were warned 2001 about foley for christsakes!!!). Concealing a crime is also a crime. - hawkeye17, on 10/12/2007, -4/+32If they're "the insulation" to protect this country then we're all in deep sh$$. Hastert still just doesn't get the fact that he protected a predator to save a House seat. To blame it on election year politics is just sickening..but not unexpected coming from this dirtbag.
- poxonyou, on 10/12/2007, -10/+33skyshock21: "I might NOT vote conservative this election" Out of curiousity, why will you still vote Republican? How much further and worse can it get before you decide it's enough?
- chicken101, on 10/12/2007, -5/+27All this spinning by the right is making me dizzy.
- totorototoro, on 10/12/2007, -4/+26Classic, it's the "if you force me to resign, the Terrorists have WON" defense :)) :))
- reed311, on 10/12/2007, -1/+21Guys, Republicans are always the victim; even when they control every facet of the government and media.
- tiroger, on 10/12/2007, -3/+21Pedophile: an adult whose primary sexual interest is in children
Last I checked, these kids were all under 18. Clinton received a blowjob from a consenting adult. If you think these are the same, then you're either an idiot or in denial. - fnaqzna, on 10/12/2007, -2/+18Hastert should have considered that before he decided to aid and abet a criminal.
- shaun944, on 10/12/2007, -1/+17@ EvilDr.
god you are stupid. Clinton had an extra-marital affair with an adult. No one gives a ***** about the homosexuality, Foley was sending explicit material to underage boys...guess what? That's pedophilia, or to make it simpler for you to comprehend, child molestation.
What Clinton did is legal, only his perjury was illegal. Everything Foley did here, and in fact all of the congressmen who knew about it and did nothing, is criminal and illegal. Child molesters are usually killed or beaten in prison, because even among hardened criminals it is considered absolutely disgusting.
Please point me to the last time someone was jailed in America for having an affair? - PabloIV, on 10/12/2007, -1/+14Dude, no, no NO!
Monica Lewinsky or any of the other Clinton women were at the time of his shameful infidelity to his wife, at least in their 20s and as such intelligent consenting adults.
As far as what has been reported all of Foley's advances were directed at under aged boys, not younger men or guys or whatever BOYS!!! If the guy wants to hit on his 23 year old intern well that's another story, I don't mind that he's gay. I mind that he likes kids.
The guy gets the title... PEDOPHILE! - rustycarmelinas, on 10/12/2007, -1/+14Come on everyone. Isn't it obvious by now that liberal Democrats have implanted their own perverted sexual thoughts into the brains of decent, God-fearing Congressmen like Foley, forcing them to seduce young boys against their will? Clearly now is the time to cut taxes on all billionaires and then invade Iran!
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+12In the state of Florida that IM message would be a crime. I think the clinical term is pedophilia. The page was a 16 year old boy, gay or not he's targeting under age boys.
- NSMike, on 10/12/2007, -1/+12Why now? Because Foley resigned after a news story was published about these suspected e-mails and IMs. Like I've said in other threads, these 16-year-olds were pages, and know something about the politics of the politicians better than someone who hasn't been immersed in this situation, and are likely to either respect or fear the power of these politicians.
On top of that, it has been seen in many, MANY past cases that the victims of such crimes have a difficult time ever coming forward about it, no matter who the perpetrator is. The news story and resignation is just an opportunity to talk about something that many thought they never had. - ICSU, on 10/12/2007, -0/+11Since Diebold?
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -2/+13@EvilDr.X - dude your crazy, when you have a 16 year old daughter and a 50 year old is trying to have sex with her you'll think A LOT... A ***** LOT differently.
- shaun944, on 10/12/2007, -1/+11daniel, I'm sure most were too embarrassed or afraid to say anything, so its more likely that one of them finally leaked something to the press and now that the cat is out of the bag, others are willing to come forward with their story (though most are remaining anonymous because again, there is shame and fear involved with this, just like any other molestation or rape victim).
Also, they were children when this happened, even if they were 16-17, and now they are early twenties or so and probably more willing to come forward. - flamingmb, on 10/12/2007, -2/+12"Affect OUR Election"
wtf? since when do they think they control the election. Sounds a little smug to me. - danielwsmithee, on 10/12/2007, -4/+13It's pretty obvious that a conservative person does not have any other options. The two party system is breaking right before our eyes, and there is not a third party with enough influence to stand up and fill the void. Libretarians are the only ones with a hope.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+9sick pedophiles in gov't. This is the same kind of stuff that happened years ago, but the children were scared to go to jail or even for their lives if they spoke up against a political power.
And I only knew this because the supposedly burned last copy of the Discovery Channel program was leaked on the internet. - timla, on 10/12/2007, -1/+10Purely form a political standpoint,
Hastert sat on this item, hoping he could cover it up until the elections were done. He made this an election issue by not dealing with it months ago when they had enough time to deal with it and do damage control and move on (The attention span of the American electorate is very short)
Now they are caught up in this thing 35 days before the mid-term elections, looks like they did this to themselves. - patience, on 10/12/2007, -1/+10These fools should have gone on "offense" a long time ago and rooted out this pervert.
To take the sports analogy further:
They have had their turn on the field. Its time to try a new team. One in which desiring the waterboys is not tolerated. - danielwsmithee, on 10/12/2007, -3/+11This is the most perplexing thing of all. Why now? What happened that caused the pages to wait. I think the Pages are a lot smarter then people are giving them credit for. They realized this guy was creepy from the initial emails saw that the corrupt politicians weren't going to do anything about it. So one or two of them faked interest in the congressman and saved the IM's and released right before election thus screwing the perp. and the scumbags that should have been protecting them. I applaud them if this is the case.
- michaelfitz, on 10/12/2007, -3/+11so CNN's a terrorist group? ;-)
- Marmot, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7If it were just that Foley were a pedophile, then it would only be about him. Now that there's the air of a wider coverup, it's about the party as a whole. To paraphrase, it's not the pedo, it's the coverup.
Even if the pedo thing blows over in a couple of weeks, the damage is done. I'm sure the Democrats are putting together ads even as we speak. They'll portray the Republican party as corrupt and power hungry--even if it means covering up a story about a pedophile. At least if they're smart, they will... I'm sure they'll find a way to get outfoxed though. - poxonyou, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7EvilDr.X: You're right about people being attracted to younger (but not pre-pubescent) popular stars, such as Britney Spears (when she first became famous). I think you and people responding aren't seeing eye to eye. You're talking about strict legal definitions (like what I pasted), they're seeing it from what specifically happened in this situation and what is acceptable in our society. In this case, it was a much older man in a position of extreme power directly targeting teens.
- hcl40u, on 10/12/2007, -2/+9In Bizarro World, yes.
- michaelfitz, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7more bull from Limbaugh?
- CoolWind, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6@Marmot. "They'll portray the Republican party as corrupt and power hungry.." Come on. Nobody's going to believe that.
- Phatt138, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6Now they can practice their witchcraft freely! Babies will be killed by the hundreds in the streets and their fetal heads put on stakes in the front yards of Christian families! Women will be faced with options, get JOBS, put shoes on, and never come back to your 'tradition'-loving ass! Gays will foricate with the top spires of all our most famous landmarks, cleaning the offage from their glistening bodies with, alternately, the tatters of Lewenski's dress and the once-proud American flag! Clinton and Gore will laugh and burn down churches with low-cost, efficient bio-fuels!
Worse still, bums who capitalize on spreading blind partisan hatred while pretending that this is somehow doing GOOD for the U.S. will be out of work, and have to get their prescription meds like the rest of us do - through their FRIENDS.
Christ Almighty! What IS a boy to do?
(ThismessagehasbeenapprovedbythepeoplewhoGodwouldvoteforifhewasn'tsobusytellingourPresidenthowtowinthegloriouswaragainsttheA-rabs) - flamingmb, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7yeah, look at the war on christmas, they lose every year.
- cthulhu, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6B-b-b-ut Barney and Clinton!!11!
Here's a whole slew of Republicans who make the two look like saints:
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Republican+pedophiles - loveandrockets, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7The Dems should play this for all its worth. It worked for the Republicans with their self-righteous outrage over Clinton. Hell, they're still blaming Clinton for ***** like this.
- infopro, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5People who're still hung up on Foley himself are missing the point. Foley's long past being the issue. The issue is the cover-up. And that, regardless of who says otherwise, is 115% fair game, & deserves to be played "up to Green River," as us ol' country boys say. }:)
(For city kids not familiar with the analogy, "Green River" was a well-known knife-maker a century or so back. If you were involved in a knife fight & somebody said to the other guy, "Give it to him up to Green River!", it meant you were about to get a shiv in your gut all the way up to the hilt, where the maker's trademark was. ]evil grin]) - geronimo, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5After hearing all these supposedly family-value right wing organizations come out to defend Hastert and even Foley at times, the republicans are alienating conservatives who actually care about things like family values vs getting republicans elected. Hastert, who sat on this for a year in order to not damage his party, should not talk about such things.
Just how stupid is the GOP? Hack off some heads, Foley, Hastert, then move on. The coming election is will be a losing one for the GOP, it doesn't matter anymore. What matters is the presidential election at this point. All this spin is hurting the GOP. It's a downward spiral until they do the right thing vs crying about democrats, conspiracies, etc. - michaelfitz, on 10/12/2007, -3/+8Foley has proven himself that he is a pedophile. That needs no debating.
- ChristmasPoo, on 10/12/2007, -3/+8Half of the republican party is a bunch of closet queens
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6bioshocker:
>(Not to mention that as the absolute ideological opposite of communists, their ideas are every bit as unlikely to work when exposed to the complexities of the real world.)
Amen brother! It's a simplistic philosophy that covers everything in economic terms and can't reflect communal, societal benefits at all. The Mona Lisa? An expensive photo that has no value beyond it's monetary one. Polluted rivers? Hey, if it's a problem some private company will fix it. Monopolies? Stick your fingers in your ears and yell that they don't exist. Public schools? Why, teaching to benefit the next generation is theft! Etc. etc. - zeiben, on 10/12/2007, -5/+10Libertarians are a little whacky, if you ask me. I think the only hope for a third party is for it to spawn out of one of the existing parties in a bid to return to traditional party goals and eschew corporate influence (which maybe rules out this coming from the republicans). Anyway, a Dem 2.0 or a Rep 2.0 party would have a good chance
- Marmot, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5@TSK06
'...what people are saying is that the Democrats sat on this and did not tell anyone for a long time just like the Republicans did, except the Democrats did it in order to gain a political advantage at the right time.'
Wouldn't you say that the Republicans knew about this too, but covered it up in order to protect a political advantage? - poxonyou, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5Fox News, mistake or not, has been displaying "(D-FL)" next to/under "Mark Foley." I don't sit around and watch Fox News all day, so I'm not sure how often this "mistake" has occured.
http://tinyurl.com/zaajm (JPG image)
http://tinyurl.com/jl2u7 (article discussing this) - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5i heard the dems greased up the pages to make them more of a temptation for foley
- mikemac, on 10/12/2007, -3/+7To play Devil's Advocate for a moment, I believe he meant "Our Election" in the manner befitting a citizen of the United States, in the inclusive "Our freedoms" sense, not the exclusive "Our toy truck and you can't play with it" sense.
Going on the offense is almost definitely a distraction. Odds are, they'll pull up their "November Surprise" a month early. Mark my words, this will be gone from the public conciousness within a month. I only hope the Democrats have something up their sleeves for November.
While I applaud anything that takes a child molester (and a Republican) out of the House, I have to truly wonder just how much of this is righteous outrage and how much is political jockeying. Seems to me that the Dems are just smelling blood in the water and attacking with everything they've got. Those of you who are truly livid about this, try to remember that this is only a minor weakness in the GOP, and it will not grow much bigger. Don't distract yourselves from the real issues. - EvilDr.X, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6Yes, exactly. I'm not arguing that he was wrong, I'm just saying that there's a difference between a pedophile and this idiot. The cries of "sicko!" and "pedophile!" smack more of partisanship than anything else.
Oh, and thanks for being reasonable and not just calling me stupid. - MadN, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4"we are going on offense."
Mission Accomplished; I am deeply offended - tslag, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5August was not a long time ago. Probably long enough to fact check a big story.
On the other hand, 2005 was a long time ago, which is when Hastert knew about it.
And if it was a timed release, why wouldn't they wait another 2 or 3 weeks, leaving less time for the whole thing to blow over? - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4i really think most of america doesnt give a crap if this guy was outed now or a month from now, he is a sick pedo bastard.. it really doesnt mater to me what party he belong to, that is ssecondary. It does matter to me the comitee he belong to.
I honestly dont think of Foley as a sick republican bastard, i just think of him as a sick bastard. As much as I hate Bush and Cheney, i cant blame this on them either. Yeah it sucks for the GOP he wears the republican moniker, but honestly i think it hurts the gop far more to try to spin this away.
Come down hard on foley
get out the vote for the new guy
have him come down hard on foley.
come out and say you wont tollerate this crap in your party (you can even add like the dems do, if you want to spin it but leave it at that, dont protest too much). BEsides for the one seat and as long as noone else is guilty of anything i dont see how this could hurt the gop if they act on it correctly and rein in their spin dogs like rush.
every congressman that trys to justify this or trys to say the dems did it too , is losing votes everytime he opens his mouth. -
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