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- inactive, on 03/06/2009, -13/+68Ronald Reagan only believed in trickle down which has been proven not to work many times over.
- niradg, on 03/06/2009, -7/+58Why do people think Reagan was so great? He created a huge deficit and presided over the largest tax increase in history. His successor supported the same policies and they led to a long & deep recession.
In contrast, Bill Clinton's presidency created far more jobs and created far more wealth for the average American. - inactive, on 03/05/2009, -6/+54just like GOP didn't have the balls to stand up to spending trillions and taking away our rights as citizens for the last 8 years is the reason why if they stand up now we could care less.
PLEASE true conservatives: Condemn Bush and kick these leftover losers out of office and get some real people with balls in there. Its not that the conservative message doesn't have valid points but when it comes out of the mouth of total hypocrites it has no impact and worse doesn't actually add to the important debate of the issues we all face. - michaelpinto, on 03/05/2009, -6/+46Actually if conservatives read Obama's second book you'd see that he admires Reagan on some level and has a good understanding as to why he was popular in the 80s. What most conservatives don't get about Obama is that he came of age in the 80s when there was a huge crack/gang violence epidemic in the African American community - so there's sort of a "law and order" reaction against that in his life, so he has some very traditional values that are very post-60s/boomer generation.
As for the Republicans the real Reagan revolution was Goldwater in the 60s and the Jarvis tax revolt in the 70s. But maybe that movement which is over 40 years old has run its course? The proof of that was the Clinton administration which embraced a free market mindset with NAFTA and trade relations with China. Republicans need to take a more serious look at Dwight D. Eisenhower - a man who is now out of style (you might even call him a BIG GOVERNMENT LIBERAL!) but yet he was THE man who saved the Republican party from oblivion. You see traces of Ike today in Schwarzenegger and Bloomberg - both of whom are popular Republican in deep Blue State territory (and they're social liberals too). - LibertyLady7, on 03/05/2009, -3/+38"I will say this, Reagan could eloquently speak about conservative ideals, he just didn't actually implement them."
This is the biggest problem for the GOP, IMO. Modern "conservatives" are becoming hypocrites by preaching about things that they are not practicing (i.e. limited Government, individual liberty, upholding the freedoms in the Constitution, etc.). Any conservative who is still defending the Bush administration falls into the conservative hypocrite category. Again, JMHO. - TK3W, on 03/05/2009, -27/+59I am far more of a social liberal than anything else. However, right now is not the time for smaller government. Right now people are hurting and the government is doing its job, trying to protect them. Many presidents, including FDR and Reagan, drowned Americans in national debt.
The time for fiscal conservatism and shrinking government will come when the government sheds the toxic policies of the last two decades that have been called such wonderful names as capitalistic, pro-private growth, and so on. In reality they gave a false boost to the free economy and set forth wonderful "financial products" as derivatives and scheming hedge funds.
Your time will come again. Just if these policies were adopted right now millions of Americans would fail epically. They would lose their house, their retirement, and a whole generation. While, yes the single citizen needs to return to a cash-at-hand life style along with a 9 or 10 percent savings rate, the government needs to help bridge the gap in the meantime.
Yes we will have more debt again and the most recent numbers for next year's budget are terrifying. However, like when starting a business, the start up costs can be staggering. Smaller budgets are ahead. Look to the future, not the next congressional election.
I know this response will drudge up many comments about social programs, but if Obama's plan works and is not torpedoed by politicians playing politics, then the current structure can be overhauled and improved. Then, when a nice strong foundation is established, times can go back to completely balanced budgets.
There can even be balanced budgets with...gasp...universal health care. Other nations have done this and been financially responsible. So can we. - Joe_rigby, on 03/06/2009, -9/+41The GOP is more ***** than our economy.
- FlaG8r, on 03/05/2009, -10/+41Fox News Poll:
"What do you think the nation's economy needs more of right now -- the economic policies of Ronald Reagan or the economic policies of Barack Obama?"
Obama 49%
Reagan 40%
http://www.foxnews.com/projects/pdf/030509_Poll.pd ... - JesusSaidSo, on 03/06/2009, -5/+35You don't understand.
For any Republican to do that, they would have to also answer for the eight years of the Bush administrations failings that resulted in a $5 Trillion dollar increase to our national debt. They can't do that and they know it.
Thats why the only person to have stepped up is Rush Limbaugh. He doesn't care what people think of him or how he comes across. He's willing to say anything, no matter how incorrect or factually conflicting it is. - oldhick, on 03/05/2009, -8/+36Could you describe what you feel the Reagan legacy is for us. Which conservative values did you like the best? The massive deficits he ran, the huge increases in the national debt? Those are NOT fiscally responsible practices. I will say this, Reagan could eloquently speak about conservative ideals, he just didn't actually implement them.
- Shiftgood, on 03/06/2009, -4/+32the answer "simple stuff" to something as complex as modern society and the implementation of governance on a domestic to world scale...
makes me think you dont have the answers. It should make you think that too. - dreamofspirals, on 03/06/2009, -6/+32"liberal rhetoric"
interesting.
It has been non-stop past and present Republican rhetoric, poor decisions, and even poorer leadership that has led to an almost insurmountable challenge. - seattle98104, on 03/06/2009, -0/+25How an employer's life what?
- wreckosaurus, on 03/06/2009, -9/+33Someone complained to me today that Obama is going to get re-elected because "he's catering to the masses." Is that not the job of the president? To serve and help the people? God forbid a president works for the middle class rather than serve the interests of the rich and special interests.
- DangerCollie, on 03/06/2009, -5/+27Republicans aren't being buried by liberal rhetoric, they're being buried by their own stupidity. Liberals would have to stop laughing long enough to deliver the rhetoric and, so far, the Republicans haven't let up on the slapstick long enough for the opposition to catch their breath.
We tried things your way and it was a disaster. A disaster for the nation and for its people. George Bush believed he had the power to ignore the Constitution and, many times, did. No one is going to forget that. And the way you're going right now, you may be a minority party for decades.
At least when the Democrats got their ass kicked they learned something from it. - JesusSaidSo, on 03/06/2009, -2/+24You're correct, not every Republican Politician went along with Bush. The problem is that nearly none of them went against it either.
There are less than a handful of Republicans that can stand up and say "I stood against this wasteful spending when Bush was in office and I'll stand against it while Obama is in office." On top of this, if they do stand up, they won't have the support of their party and they will be absolutely grilled by the Democrats.
The Democrats are capitalizing on the fact that the only Republican figure up for the task of leading the party is Limbaugh. And thats absolutely what they want. - RansomHoldiay, on 03/06/2009, -12/+33my problem with republicans:
economy = survival of the fittest, hands off and let the market take its course
nature and evolution = god made everything a few years ago - acomj, on 03/06/2009, -5/+24The real problem is that Reaganomics failed us.
We've been using Reaganomics for 25 years (with some modifications during the clinton years). Look where it got us.
The Private banking sector failed, our private car industry is failing.
Note that the Stimulus was originally pushed be George Bush. - Canumbler, on 03/06/2009, -2/+20***** dugg up.
People, nations, governments, economies are MESSY. It's about compromise, trying, failing, succeeding.
I am so bloody sick of these simple-minded one-size-fits-all downright religious comments. - inactive, on 03/06/2009, -16/+34UNJUST WAR, SPYING, TORTURE, CHILD RAPE
Are these the "values" you Psychos speak of?! - inactive, on 03/06/2009, -18/+35Listen Folks, the GOP is out of touch with AMERICAN VALUES!
These people have no understanding of real family values. They do not follow our constitution, they are Creationists, which is why they should never be allowed anywhere near the seat of our Gov't.
These psychopaths belong in the Looney bin! - idontlikeyou2, on 03/06/2009, -14/+30Reagen. He is the ass that started all this.
- 666dorado, on 03/06/2009, -8/+23Trickle Down = "you can eat my leftovers"
- nihilville, on 03/06/2009, -4/+19*ahem* My impression of TCSavant:
"Hey, lets all ignore the real polls in front of us and concentrate on these imaginary polls I just made up that coincidentally reinforce my ideological standpoint!"
Thank you, Thank you... I'll be here all week. - diskoh, on 03/06/2009, -0/+14got flipped turned upside down.
- twiztidsinz, on 03/06/2009, -10/+24Right Wing spambots are out in full force today
- Terasiel, on 03/06/2009, -3/+17It's a shame that so many people are brainwashed to believe those things are the other way around.
- Dumbledorito, on 03/06/2009, -5/+17The past 8 years belie the idea that private companies do things better. There are billions unaccounted for from contractors in Iraq alone, as many just took the money and ran, or did a half-assed job with what they were hired to do. It didn't help that we hired contractors to police the contractors. Even now, in this crisis, many government agencies (many of them regulatory) that we need to help banks recover are understaffed thanks to outsourcing to companies that got their contracts with little or no competition.
Yay, GOP, party of the no-bid no-oversight tax money spigot. Thanks a heap. - Canumbler, on 03/06/2009, -1/+13england france and canada all have faaaarking wonderful yearly budgets compared to the US buddy. They may be "broke" but they're a whole lot less "broke" than you guys and they have universal healthcare, you don't. Seems like you got the raw deal there.
Btw I'm Australian. We're not broke and the beancounters (treasury) are pushing for us to expand public health, not contract it. - Dustin00, on 03/06/2009, -6/+18Reagan left our budget a disaster. Bush I and II did more of the same.
If his ideas about the private economy worked, they would fill the government coffers with their taxes. It does not.
Reagan's plan is 100% pure FAIL. - Grognor, on 03/06/2009, -2/+14Dugg because the syntax is hilarious
- mille716, on 03/06/2009, -3/+14So using your presidential powers to stop an FBI investigation is worse than getting a blow job?
- niradg, on 03/06/2009, -1/+12Let's just ignore the fact that you're wrong. By your own logic, the gridlock between the Democratic Congress and Reagan must have been the root cause for any success he had too.
- sulthernao, on 03/06/2009, -2/+13Why should we have a well paid and equipped military?
- AngelBunny, on 03/06/2009, -4/+15i think that would be hypocritical for most republicans in congress today to stand up like you suggest. before obama was elected not only the democrats but the republicans where pushing for a stimulus.
i don't blame the stimulus package on obama. he just happened to come into office while things where already in motion for it to happen. all he could do was steer it in a direction but not enough to turn it around.
if anyone is to blame it is congress as a whole right now. this is no more the republicans issue than it is the democrats issue. the second bush was out of office all the republicans that where pushing such a package all of a sudden where anti it to make this look like a sole democrat decision. there is far to much politics in politics. - moirende, on 03/05/2009, -19/+30The great challenge they face, as I see it, is they have tilted too far towards their social conservative base. These people are going to continue to vote GOP no matter what, so why keep pandering to them and driving away everyone else who might otherwise support them in the process? They need to be focusing their efforts on building stronger coalitions with economic and fiscal conservatives as well as moderate centrists from across the political spectrum. Strip away the "common sense" crowd from the Democrats, where they've alighted for the time being, and the Dems will be left with an emperor wearing very little in the way of clothes...
- damadHatta, on 03/06/2009, -6/+16"He did win the Cold War and saved a ton of money in future military expenditures."
VotePaul, Reagan didn't win the Cold War. The Soviet Union was already collapsing from the inside. All Reagan did was knock over a cripple. - EntropyFan, on 03/06/2009, -2/+12You can't have a well paid and equipped military and lower taxes.
Republicans complain about 'tax and spend' liberals. At least the liberals are willing to tax, and make back some of what they are spending. The Republicans just spend and spend and spend.
It doesn't work. You have to bring in more then you spend. You have to tax heavily if you want a well paid and equipped military.
It is simple economics. - inactive, on 03/06/2009, -1/+10i accidentally employer's life
- Nickolassc, on 03/06/2009, -5/+14Too bad they forgot once they had President and Congress. Now America is suffering because they didn't learn their lesson and people got pissed and voted them out.
- CasaWood, on 03/05/2009, -34/+43Beyond the party politics the liberals are actually giving a renewed interest in Reagan and if a few stumble into the truths of conservative values along the way Reagan's legacy will grow rather than disappear. Will the Republican Party? Likely not as we are quickly realizing our help will not come from party politics. Like unions the party structure is quickly becoming an outdated, useless organizational structure.
- robdazomba, on 03/06/2009, -1/+10You forget closeted gay sex. Don't leave that one out.
- flyingsquirle, on 03/06/2009, -1/+10and then expect them to help stimulate the economy with their $10m corporate jets, that sure helped out
- SaintStryfe, on 03/06/2009, -2/+11"Libertarians" and "real conservatives" gleefully followed GW and Reagan when they were elected, and again when they were re-elected. Why haven't you been on your talk shows decrying the billions in Iraq and Afghanistian, the medicare prescription plan? "Star Wars" missle defense and the baltic system Bush wanted?
Because you're not "Real" anything. You, and your ilk, are bandwagoners with one set of beliefs - "My taxes should be less or zero". Nothing else. You glom onto any passing politician who promises to give you that outcome, and you keep with them until they're out of office. If they screwed up, they were "Not REAL conservatives".
It's pathetic. - plazman30, on 03/06/2009, -9/+18Why do you believe that Reagan was a Republican? Reagan managed to get into the White House CLAIMING he was a Republican and then altered the party forever and took it far away from it's traditional roots.
Reagan:
1. Started wars
2. Spent through the roof
3. Lied, cheated and borrowed.
The last real Republican we had was Nixon. Yeah, Nixon was caught doing some bad stuff, but what got him to resign pales in comparison to the crap George W Bush and Bill Clinton did while they were in office.
Real Republicans are now Libertarians. My party has become a bunch Rush Limbaugh following idiots... - zdriver, on 03/06/2009, -3/+12This is the reason I didn't hold my nose and vote for the lesser of two evils this time around. As a long time republican I've been doing this for years. No more. Until the gop gives us a true conservative I'll be happy to sit back and let the democrats win. All I've been told the last couple of elections is that the democrats would be worse than who's on our ticket. That may be true but I'll live by the words of my drunken grandpa
Suck it
Time to burn the house down and start over again - wreckosaurus, on 03/06/2009, -3/+12Those damn working poor, god I hate them.
- Midtowner, on 03/06/2009, -1/+9100K isn't much at all.. doesn't even put you in the top tax bracket. It's certainly a middle class income, but not much more than that. You can't even break into the upper middle class without a $250K income these days. The folks using off-shore tax shelters and other tax cheating schemes are not anywhere near the middle class.
- domnu, on 03/06/2009, -1/+9I believe that's the point TCSavant was making. The Republicans In Name Only which have held power of late sometimes talked a good game, but they almost never actually ACTED on the principled they supposedly held.
- AmazingSteve, on 03/06/2009, -0/+8No sport, HERE'S the problem. The GOP allowed itself to be over-run with far right lunatics and Bible thumpers who in turn allowed Bush to run the whole show right into a bridge abutment at 1100mph. The party buried itself in it's own arrogance.
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