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- Klingon00, on 04/14/2009, -10/+105The basic premise that white supremacists, neo-nazis and the like are in any way right wing is a myth and propaganda that needs to have been put down long ago. Almost every such extremist group that allies itself with Hitler's germany or any of it's principles stems directly from that of the left. Nazi party stands for the National Socialist party of Germany after all. The only way one might argue that the likes of Hitler was in any way right wing, is when compared to the most extreme Communists. It's like saying on a scale of 1 to 10, people who are an 8, are actually a 1, because they aren't a 10. But in reality 8 is far closer to a 10 than to 1.
Most right wing conservatives I know believe in the principles of the Declaration of Independence which states: "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness."
These principles are definitely antithesis to the beliefs of white supremacists or any other type of supremacists for that matter. Also, National Socialism uses a principle of Corporatism (Government run corporations) and is far closer to Communism than to free market capitalism that those on the right advocate.
Now how does all this relate to gun rights? Both Nazi Germany and Communist Russia restricted and stripped the right to bear arms or any 2nd amendment style rights from their citizens. Most Americans on the right, support the 2nd amendment along with the constitution of the United States of America.
The history of gun control in the US is based on racist principles to keep blacks from being able to defend themselves from attacks from the KKK and the like. More recently, the gun control groups on the left have changed from being so openly racist and instead now support making us all subjects and slaves dependent upon the federal government for everything, especially self defense. - sheeplescareme, on 04/14/2009, -7/+92the real terrorists are in washington.
- iancgi, on 04/14/2009, -7/+79It is a very serious time when the US government is labeling those defending the US constitution are potential terrorists. This should set off red flags for everyone, this is tyranny in its beginning forms. Are you gonna stand by and watch your fellow man discriminated against because he believes the founding values of America or will you realize that an injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere?
- LouisCipher777, on 04/14/2009, -14/+85Isn't it great how not being a liberal is tantamount to being a "homegrown terrorist"?
- kemp34, on 04/14/2009, -5/+70Aren't these civil servants oath-bound to UPHOLD the Constitution? Isn't creating wide doubt about Constitution supporters (i.e. real Americans) violating that oath?
Given that the Constitution BINDS the government down, isn't it a problem when employees of the government work to undercut popular support for the Constitution?
What would Thomas Jefferson say about this? - inactive, on 04/14/2009, -6/+68Great post dcodrea, as usual
Here's a list of 10 or 12 countries that banned guns, and the genocides that ensued afterwards
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3138/2985806396_d56 ... - Spindig, on 04/14/2009, -6/+65I read the report and what I got from it was (as Jeff Foxworthy might say), "You might be a rightwing extremists if you...."
have purchased weapons and ammunition legally
are concerned about the possible passage of new restrictions on firearms
are a returning veteran
are opposed to abortion
oppose same-sex marriage
are unemployed
are concerned about immigration
are concerned about potential communist regimes
are concerned about muslims
are concerned about financial elites running the financial system
think there is a movement toward a new world order
criticize free trade agreements (particularly those with Mexico)
perceive government infringement on civil liberties
are concerned about inter-racial crimes
feel antagonistic toward banks
reject federal authority in favor of state or local authority
you oppose the new presidential administration and its perceived stance on a range of issues, including the expansion of social programs to minorities
you blame the government for perceived loss of U.S. jobs in the manufacturing and construction sectors, and home foreclosures
Apparently if you fall into one or more of these categories, you are easy prey to be recruited by these radical extreme right wing terrorist groups, so you are going to be put you on a watch list. I'd say that will be a pretty huge list. - Jimmyb207, on 04/14/2009, -5/+62Breaking News! Constitutionalists Equate the U.S. government as ANTI-AMERICAN!!
When are they going to attack the very flag of America itself?? They will say, "terrorists have been using the American flag to rally around and hold meetings with terrorist agendas like taking back their rights and upholding extreme documents like the Constitution. A NEW flag is being discussed in Washington." - curtisag, on 04/14/2009, -6/+61I guess I'm on "THE LIST" now since I have openly supported Ron Paul and attended speeches he has delivered. They want to know who to come after in advance when the ***** hits the fan. And it will hit the fan eventually. They know that if the US economic system collapses, they will be in the fight of their lives to maintain control of the country from a citizenry that possesses more guns than there are people. The funny thing is, most people I know advocate non-violent means to restore the constitution and our economy. The libertarian message is one of peace after all. How is that extremist?
- inactive, on 04/14/2009, -5/+58Have they built the Gulag yet?
- kemp34, on 04/14/2009, -5/+54Trying to link white supremacists to those who believe in the philosophy of individual liberty is an abhorrent tactic done by some of the worst intellectual scum on earth.
Individual liberty is 100% diametrically opposed to the totalitarianism of the "National Socialist".
Underhanded tactics like these, used to undercut popular support for the Constitution and limited government show their hand - they hate our limited republic and are subverting it. This is not acceptable. - TYRONEBR549, on 04/14/2009, -4/+48Constitutionalists are terrorists? Just where do they think they get their authority from? If not the Constitution then all that is left is from the end of a barrel. Worked for Hitler and Stalin I guess.
- madtechnologist, on 04/14/2009, -4/+37I feel like I'm in the freaking Twilight Zone. It's absolutely crazy. What's good is now bad....What's wrong is now right....
I don't get it....is the country really this far gone? - StingingNettle, on 04/14/2009, -2/+34I must be a terrorist, I'm against 3 trillion a year deficits. I must be looney! I was against Bushes deficits as well. I thought they were large!
- inactive, on 04/14/2009, -3/+35You are so right. The constitution is being trashed and
since when have any or those clowns in WA DC upheld anything
except their own personal interests!
TJ is rolling over in his grave! - inactive, on 04/14/2009, -3/+34They're still building the Gulags for any dissenters.
- inactive, on 04/14/2009, -4/+35The indoctrination has been pretty constant and pervasive since the end of WWII, with a really big push in the 60's and 70's.
- mrjarrell, on 04/14/2009, -3/+32If it salves your conscience the Washington Times also carries the same story today.
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2009/apr/14/fe ... - kemp34, on 04/14/2009, -3/+30Would you say the last 100 years have seen an increasing respect for the Constitution in DC or an increasing disrespect?
If you believe those folks are respecting the Constitution, I have some magic beans for sale. - henri3, on 04/14/2009, -4/+29You got that right!! sheeplescareme,
- inactive, on 04/14/2009, -12/+37President Hussein prefers a war on Constitution to a war on terror.
- Evermin7, on 04/14/2009, -2/+27I would argue that this is tyranny in one of its latter stages. 1913 - Financial slavery via Federal Reserve...thats when all of this started...maybe even before that....
Point is, this has been building for generations. - Kangaroo12001, on 04/14/2009, -7/+31Obama cannot distance himself from this. It is his appointee and his policy.
They Federal Govt has overstepped its bounds once again.
This may just be one of the last straws. If you support the Constitutional RIGHT to keep and bear arms...you're a terrorist. If you support the rights of the unborn...Terrorist. Oppose illegal aliens...terrorist. Speak out against Obama...terrorist.
MOLON LABE.
Impeach Now. F Obama. F Napolitano. - TYRONEBR549, on 04/14/2009, -3/+26They have hundreds already built for us.
- inactive, on 04/14/2009, -2/+25The question was posed in shout as to why this sunbmission has not made front page yet. That's because digg's algorithim is a lie. Digg staff and moderators sit behind a computer screen pulling levers like trained chimpanzees. Pull a lever to front page a story submitted by a libtard, get a single hit off a bong as a reward. Pull a lever to front page a submitted story from a conservative, get an electric shock. You really don't believe there's an algorithim, do you? Tsyeah! Right!
- Chak2007, on 04/14/2009, -6/+28I just see whats going on in the UK, and it scares me because I know it is slowly crossing the pond. Sadly stories like these only strengthen my fears.
- maxtangent, on 04/14/2009, -2/+23But not as insane as some Troll trying to convince nutjobs that they are crazy.
- Kangaroo12001, on 04/14/2009, -3/+23Its on several pages now idiot.
- inactive, on 04/14/2009, -4/+24I guess the DHS didn't get the memo that our president has been hanging out with terrorists since the beginning of his career...man, i mean tune into Hannity for 30 seconds and you will know that much...oh but it doesn't apply to them because... wait, why doesn't it apply to them? Oh I know! Because they depend on the government for EVERYTHING!!!
When my 76 y/o grandma is considered an enemy of the state because she believes in the tenets this country was founded on, then guess what....no one is safe, the boot is on your back America....stand together or fall one at a time. - THEROC, on 04/14/2009, -3/+23The whole left and right paradigm is a joke. As if Hitler and Ron Paul or Mao and Martin Luther King have anything in common.
- Cyguration, on 04/14/2009, -1/+20Props to you Klingon00.
Intelligent and well-informed post. Dugg. - mrjarrell, on 04/14/2009, -2/+21The Times doesn't make any accusations of anything. They're simply reporting on it. I would suggest that you actually download the .pdf and read it for yourself. Any rational person can extrapolate from the document what the government is inferring and flat out stating. Yes, they do specifically mention constitutionalists.
Quoted from David's piece and the document itself.
"defenders of the US Constitution against federal government and the UN" - bluto36, on 04/14/2009, -6/+24remember you cant say terrorist anymore. well maybe the only people that can be called a terrorist under the new administrations rules are people that oppose the 0bama nation
- RonPauls, on 04/14/2009, -2/+19How come huffpo stories go popular with 41 diggs (seriously this happened) and this hasn't gone popular?
- inactive, on 04/14/2009, -4/+21Would you like me to send you the actual DHS .pdf document?
- maxtangent, on 04/14/2009, -2/+17Apparently zeirgueist cares enough to take the time and effort to comment.
- JoeParanoid, on 04/14/2009, -2/+16All I can say is welcome to the club. Those of us designated environmentalists, leftists, anarchists, antiwar activists, whatever, have been on the watchlist for decades. If you criticize the established order, better get used to it.
- ZZeke, on 04/14/2009, -2/+16...it's further gone than that. This is just a small sample, a rare glimpse at the real agenda that has been brewing for generations.
- inactive, on 04/14/2009, -2/+16I think you just hit the nail on the head. :D
- richmomz, on 04/14/2009, -3/+17There was another time in history when the American people were labeled "terrorists", "rebels" and "traitors" by their own governement for holding beliefs in line with the Founding Fathers and the Constitution. Sometime around 1776 I believe...
- Moonkeeper, on 04/14/2009, -4/+18Thomas Jefferson was a terrorist! He wanted to create chaos for the sake of chaos with a revolution every 20 years!
note: the preceding has been brought to you by my evil twin - inactive, on 04/14/2009, -2/+15I would rather err on the side of being able to defend ourselves.
Frankly I don't trust the growing power of the US government. I don't like the fact that they are in cahoots with Wall Street and big corporations and the Military Industrial Complex.
I don't see that changing the President has done anything to change what is important. So if the choice is
A.- disarm and trust the government
B.- remain armed with the possibility of defending ourselves
I'll take #B, thanks anyway - AnotherDiggGuy, on 04/14/2009, -6/+19Naw, this article is bunk. Can't possibly be true. Obama (the billionaire) made sure all homeless bums and moron idiots got the unbiased chance to vote (and got them a little cash too! what a swell guy). Combine those votes with a few million people who bought into the whole 'Bush destroyed America, we must vote for the other guy every billionaire network owner has been pushing', and you have a flawless plan for our country. What could possibly go wrong with that scenario?
I can't wait until next election to see if a bigger and more bad ass billionaire (trillionaire maybe?) can sweep the presidential title. It will be super entertaining to my mindless brain. George Washington would be so proud of how far our country has come and what the Liberals have done so far. - BrownieMix, on 04/14/2009, -0/+13Screw it, I'm just gonna move to Canada.
- ZZeke, on 04/14/2009, -4/+16This has been going on for generations now...where were you the last 8 years, or the 20 before that? This isn't about Barry, this ***** comes from a much higher source.
- thegrantman, on 04/14/2009, -3/+15I'm on the list.
I've been carrying pictures of known terrorists in my wallet for quite some time.
It's called U.S. currency. - kemp34, on 04/14/2009, -2/+13"You've got it backwards:
Individual Liberty is socially liberal, NOT socially conservative."
Please highlight anywhere in my comment that said anything about social conservatism. - Chak2007, on 04/15/2009, -1/+12lol there was a dailykos story that made the front page with 76 diggs about how the tea parties by conservatives are a joke. This story over 300 and haha stilll in upcoming?
- leadfoot, on 04/14/2009, -1/+12I'm devastated you mean to tell me I'm a terrorist for wanting to defend the constitution (same one leaders swear an oath to defend)!
For believing that through education we can legally change the elected government to leadership that not only defends the constitution but personal liberty and the sovereignty of local and state government? - SQLserver, on 04/14/2009, -2/+13You've got it backwards:
Individual Liberty is socially liberal, NOT socially conservative.
The point still holds though. The government is confusing those who are socially conservative(KKK, Christian terrorists, Muslim terrorists, etc.) with those who are economically conservative.(Those who support small government and the constitution) -
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