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- trghpy, on 10/11/2007, -12/+86As a historian;
I can't wait till Chaney kicks the bucket and everyone comes out of hiding to tell the real story.
As an American;
I can't wait till Chaney kicks the bucket... - inactive, on 10/11/2007, -15/+88This is what every rational American is thinking.
The only ones who aren't are the right wing asshats who couldn't care less how corrupt the regime is.
All they care about is that President Traitor doesn't have to follow the law.
Sad little *****. - scudshooter, on 10/11/2007, -10/+36Libby....Liddy....Libby....Liddy....Hmmm....Liddy actually did the time...Nixon resigned but probably could have tried to commute Liddy's sentence before resigning. I guess Nixon was taking responsibility, and was appropriately accountable for his and his employees actions. This shows that Bush has less integrity than Nixon, which ain't saying a whole hell of a lot.
- mikelieman, on 10/11/2007, -12/+36With the clear violation of 18 USC 371, the only thing keeping the Bush Administration out of Prison is the fact that they replaced all the HONEST and TRUSTWORTHY United States Attorneys with Loyal Bushies.
- TwistedSheep, on 10/11/2007, -4/+24I never understood the argument that this was a non issue. Someone leaked the name of a covert CIA NOC, as well as the CIA front company that she belonged to. Fitzgerald lets the little guy hang out to dry, hoping to get evidence on the higher ups who ordered her name to be released. Bush promises a pardon to Libby, who in turn lies his ass off to keep the attention away from anyone important. Libby gets indicted by a federal grand jury for 5 separate charges. Bush commutes his sentence, and ignorant little Americans go on thinking this was never a big issue to begin with.
- stupidverizon, on 10/11/2007, -5/+24I know this isn't very relevant but a friend of mine did this xD
http://img480.imageshack.us/img480/6423/dickcgu4.jpg - oxdeltaxo, on 10/11/2007, -3/+20Learn how to write a relevant reply.
- terracottapai, on 10/11/2007, -6/+18^Idiots^
- inactive, on 10/11/2007, -8/+19Like Gore or not, you must read his book, "The Assault on Reason"--in it he describes the secret societies and groups that influence the Bush administration and the strategies the administration uses to manipulate and deceive the American people. Gore having served eight years as vice president is the highest ranking American to go public with these disclosures.
I believe if Americans read Gore's book it would have as much influence on them as did "Uncle Tom's Cabin." - MadN, on 10/11/2007, -5/+15If the President be connected, in any suspicious manner, with any
person, and there be grounds [to] believe he will shelter him, the House
of Representatives can impeach him; they can remove him if found
guilty...
James Madison - slicedoranges, on 10/11/2007, -6/+16Uh, last time he shared his knowledge he was nominated for a Nobel Peace Prize, dude.
- loki440, on 10/11/2007, -7/+16thcobbs. . .
It's not necessarily that Gore has absolute knowledge of what Libby knows, the former VP is using what is called "rational thinking". You should try it sometimes. - wendelgee2, on 10/11/2007, -1/+9What the ***** does that have to do with anything?
Focus!!! We have a country to run, citizen. - inactive, on 10/11/2007, -12/+20And Iran is one step closer to a bomb, an under cover CIA agent is without a job and an asset that was priceless to our security is destroyed because "go ***** yourself" dick Cheney didn't like the tone of an Op Ed piece in a paper. And millions of tax payers money was flushed down the drain!
That is what I call bringing honor back to Washington. A role model for every kid I say. - milliebubba, on 10/11/2007, -1/+8To expat: Cheney's daughter did not adopt the baby, she gave birth to a baby through artificial insemination. Her partner adopted it. Get your stories straight.
- killorbytes, on 10/11/2007, -8/+14Every President makes pardons at the end of his administration, the difference here is that the person making the pardon was involved in the wrong doing. It feels like Bush is trying to keep Libby quiet, by keeping him out of jail pretty nice tit-for-tat.
- lOvOl, on 10/11/2007, -3/+8Many presidents have abused pardons, but most of them at least do it once they are a total lame duck and for people who have committed crimes that have nothing to do with the administration itself (an exception is of course Ford pardoning Nixon, but that is a special case). These pardons are usually, but not always, for political paybacks of people who are directly or indirectly in great favor with the outgoing president.
What makes this commutation of Libby different, is that he was prosecuted by an impartial prosecutor, convicted by a conservative Republican judge, and happened to be a high-level official in the administration who "obstructed justice" so as to prevent the special prosecutor from investigating his bosses. Obstruction of justice is a severe crime and 2.5 years in prison is very modest given the gravity of the situation that was investigated by the special prosecutor, so the commutation of his jail sentence (even if it was just George Bush feeling sorry for Scooter), looks really, really, really bad for several reasons:
(1) Obstruction of justice is a felony. People go to jail all the time for this crime in lieu of protecting themselves or others at the expense of the justice process. Even Paris Hilton went to jail on a crime usually reserved for prosecuting organized criminals.
(2) Since Scooter Libby did not get a full pardon, he can still take the 5th Amendment and refuse testifying before Congress for any other crimes or lies of omission. So in effect, a commutation is worse looking than an outright pardon.
(3) Politically speaking, this has to be one of the dumbest moves imaginable, UNLESS, they needed to keep Scooter to keep quiet. Scooter is under such scrutiny that if he were to pull a Vince Foster, then things would only be far worse, so commuting his sentence is just another form of damage control. The calculus for the possible reasons why his sentence was commutted are even more damning than the political stupidity of the action in the first place.
Now, I am certainly no partisan and even though I choose not to vote (the lesser of two evils is still evil), if I had a gun to my head I would vote Republican, but you really have to have a room temperature IQ not to see through this ***** from the Bush administration. You can only play dumb for so long before people wake up and smell the coffee. Of course, the Democrats will not impeach him (they will certainly threaten the action), but they don't want to get rid of Bush anytime soon because then America will start holding them accountable before the 2008 elections where they are hoping for increased gains in the House of Representatives and the Senate as well as their socialist dream queen Hillary to come to power, not because they have anything positive to America (Hillary is no dumbass and knows nobody likes her), but because the alternative is less attractive than they are. All of this scheming of course at America's expense because it is completely clear to anyone without rose colored goggles, that the Republican and Democratic parties are run by scheming sociopaths.
Things will have to get far worse before they get any better. Either that our political weakness will cause us to lose a major war in the future (and I am not talking about Iraq), and we may end up losing our sovereignty altogether. Hopefully, people will wakeup and disband the two major parties (Germany disbanded the Nazi party after WWII, and Russia and many eastern bloc nations disbanded the communist party after 1989), before it is too late.
In a nutshell, America needs a reboot. - MacSuxWindozSux, on 10/11/2007, -2/+7As a Historian, you might want to spell his name properly.
- PopcornDave, on 10/11/2007, -2/+6While I applaud your sentiments for Al Gore to help his son, at 24 it's a little late for faher to spank the kid isn't it?
- iluvgossip, on 10/11/2007, -0/+4The pressure for her to change her mind and testify was removed by the pardon. There is lots of background info at wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Susan_McDougal
"She also spent 18 months in prison including 7 weeks in solitary confinement for civil contempt of court. U.S. District Court Judge Susan Webber Wright sentenced her after McDougal refused to answer three questions from Whitewater prosecutors before the grand jury empaneled by Independent Counsel Kenneth Starr to investigate the Whitewater deals. These questions included whether President Bill Clinton lied in his testimony during her Whitewater trial, particularly when he denied any knowledge of an illegal $300,000 loan. During that trial, the government's star witness, Arkansas banker and former municipal judge David Hale, claimed that then-Governor Bill Clinton had discussed an illegal $300,000 loan with himself and McDougal.
McDougal received a full Presidential pardon from outgoing President Bill Clinton in the final hours of his presidency in 2001." - PopcornDave, on 10/11/2007, -2/+6If and when Bush pardons Libby then your comments will make sense. As of now all he's done is commute a jail sentence. It remains to be seen if a pardon is coming down the pike or not.
- kageki, on 10/11/2007, -2/+6If yall right wingers don't feel Bush is not doing anything wrong then why can't you agree on letting Libby just testify? If you want evidence you can be damn sure Libby has it.
Why harp about evidence? Isn't reasonable suspicion good enough? According to the Patriot Act that's good enough to detain a "suspected" terrorist indefinitely. They don't even need to show evidence. Too bad if you get caught up in that even if you are innocent...
Remember the Duke Lacross players case? Our entire society has been making accusations without evidence and on suspicion alone, but now you make these pompous claims?
Any other talking points you would rightwingers like to me that was given by your masters? - rcran, on 10/11/2007, -6/+10Whoa ooloo! Going for the rapid fire approach, eh? (Three stupid comments on THIS story)
- CourtesyFlush, on 10/11/2007, -0/+4Wait.
Anyone who thinks Al is trying to distract from his current publicity problems [or, to make it simple for you.......change the subject for the weak minded] is automatically a neo-con?
So much for rational thinking.
I've never voted Republican in my thirty year voting history. You're ***** full of *****. - WileEPeyote, on 10/11/2007, -2/+5Stop reading and commenting on the Libby stories then.
- inactive, on 10/11/2007, -0/+3... why isn't there a "Bury as NO *****, captain obvious!" option?
- CourtesyFlush, on 10/11/2007, -1/+4The thirteen year old legal analysts of digg have spoken......er......parroted this decree and will digg anyone down who dares to question their declaration.........er........regurgitation..
- CourtesyFlush, on 10/11/2007, -0/+3It's not bigotry when THEY do it.
They're armed with a righteous agenda from on high and allow their superior selves to talk down to entire groups of people at will.
They're special, you know. - Duhitsmichael, on 10/11/2007, -0/+3Die in fire.
- inactive, on 10/11/2007, -1/+4Please tell us, how is this a clear violation of 18 USC 371?
I guess you're going to have to read it to get the answer and not rely on your handlers to give it to you. - CourtesyFlush, on 10/11/2007, -2/+5Reading between the lines is not a basis of providing evidence or determining guilt.
Al Gore is guessing. He has absolutely zero chance of knowing whether further testimony by Libby would convict anyone at all.
My brain needs concrete evidence instead of biased conjecture by partisan opposition. - cmiller1, on 10/11/2007, -6/+9To follow suit with your method of using now supporting facts or evidence to prove your point, or even saying anything useful other than hurling insults... you sir are a ***** moron and make me feel ashamed to even be of the same phylum as you.
- iluvgossip, on 10/11/2007, -0/+3From Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Clinton#Disbarment
"Clinton was disbarred from his Arkansas law license for five years and ordered to pay $25,000 in fines to that state's bar officials. The agreement came on the condition that Whitewater prosecutors would not pursue federal perjury charges against him." - WileEPeyote, on 10/11/2007, -4/+7This is Al Gore answering a direct question and is very different than Clinton's comment. He has never pardoned anyone, therefore it is not hypocritical for him to say this is improper.
- MonsterChaOS, on 10/11/2007, -0/+3You can't be that dumb.
- iluvgossip, on 10/11/2007, -0/+3Howdy expat. I'm an expat too living in China. Where do you live?
The point of my post was that Gore has no basis to know what he was asserting. This seems to me to be the level of politics like the classic question, "When did you quit beating your wife?"
Having topics like these on Digg is so annoying. The issues are terribly complex and yet they get reduced to insult fights among the uninformed. This is fine and freedom of speech and all. But to have political leaders taking dirty little pot shots at one another is disappointing. It seems to me that Al Gore and Bill Clinton have little room to talk like this considering what they have done. Similarly Democrats who are now saying this is the worst thing ever bent over backwards to defend Clinton when he pardoned Susan Macdougal who went to jail because she wouldn't testify about the illegal loan she got the for the Clintons.
I think a we have a political class that doesn't act for the best interest of the country so much as act for the best interest of their party. If your guy does it defend him, the next guy attack a political opponent who does the same thing.
My view is this: OPPOSE ALL INCUMBENTS - your own party, opposition party. Clean house and kick em all out. - CourtesyFlush, on 10/11/2007, -4/+7Rational thinking? Is that what "progressives" call "pulling wild guesses out of the ass" these days?
If Gore has no "absolute knowledge" then he should shut his ***** yap about what other people "know." - Gir9000, on 10/11/2007, -11/+14Al Gore is right and what bush did is just cover his & Cheney's ass.
- biotch, on 10/11/2007, -1/+4I dont know where you heard that, it was certainly a right wing attempt to get the public to pardon Bush but here are the ACTUAL statistics on who pardoned the most and least...
Clinton as you can see, is not the worst by far... and NONE of Clinton's pardons had anything to do with protecting anyone from his administration from being indicted on felony counts.
President Clinton: 396 pardons 61 commutations
President H.W. Bush: 74 pardons 3 commutations
President Reagan: 393 pardons 13 commutations
President Carter: 534 pardons 29 commutations
President Ford: 382 pardons 22 commutations
President Nixon: 863 pardons 60 commutations
President Johnson: 960 pardons 226 commutations
President Kennedy: 472 pardons 100 commutations
President Eisenhower: 1,110 pardons 47 commutations
President Truman: 1,913 pardon 118 commutations
http://betweenthelinks.com/ - iluvgossip, on 10/11/2007, -1/+4From Wikipedia:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Susan_McDougal
"Susan McDougal was married in 1976 to James B. McDougal, also of Little Rock, Arkansas. The McDougals were partners with Bill Clinton and Hillary Rodham Clinton in the failed Whitewater real estate venture in the 1980s, and were convicted along with then-Gov. Jim Guy Tucker (D) in obtaining millions in illegal loans, including a $300,000 federally backed loan for Susan McDougal, through a small business investment firm owned by David Hale.
James McDougal began cooperating with Whitewater prosecutor Ken Starr after his conviction and tried to persuade his former wife to do the same to avoid a prison sentence. . .
She was convicted on May 28, 1996, and spent time in prison for four counts of fraud and conspiracy relating to the Whitewater scandal. "
This is the same woman Clinton pardoned. - jmorgan1, on 10/11/2007, -3/+6Wow, an ad hom liberal attack. 1st comment "hole in one". Lets see if the rest of the rabid liberal attack dogs are awake.
BTW: English lessons, concentrating on grammar, would help your credibility. - jmorgan1, on 10/11/2007, -1/+4Fruit Loops?
- iluvgossip, on 10/11/2007, -0/+3I think you didn't understand the point of my post. You simply took it literally without attempting to understand my point. Either that or you don't care about what is true but only care about attacking people you see as your enemy. Tell me how in the heck Gore could have relevant knowledge to be able to make charges like that? Neither could I have knowledge to make the charges I made. This was signaled by the intro line: "In the spirit of a post is about slinging BS based on innuendo I would like to point out:"
I think my statement and Gore's statement are pretty much equivalent. If anyone is being cynical I think it is you. - TherealObadiah, on 10/11/2007, -1/+4HEY, and SenorCardgage74 is super cereal!!
- inactive, on 10/11/2007, -2/+5"I have ridden the moon worm"-algore
- JimNtexas, on 10/11/2007, -7/+10Maybe Clinton fanboy Sandy Berger shared some of the classified information he STOLE from the National Archives in HIS PANTS (I'm not making that up!) with Albore.
- biotch, on 10/11/2007, -1/+4Actually Id argue that complaining about grammar would suggest a lack of your ability to argue against this logically such that you must resort to complaining about HOW something is said rather than WHAT is said.
- CourtesyFlush, on 10/11/2007, -0/+3I love how the facts are constantly dugg down in a pro Gore thread.
The kool aid is obviously all they need to go on. To hell with history and the truth about the past. - jmorgan1, on 10/11/2007, -0/+2What do the twins have to do with Bush's? Fair game? Glass house? WTF? OVER?
- robdazomba, on 10/11/2007, -4/+6Regardless, this whole Republican talking point that Clinton abused his pardon powers is irrelevant. Clinton never pardonned anyone accused and convicted of a criminal offense from his own administration. That's the crux of the matter here. Presidents have the power to issue pardons whether we agree or not, but for a sitting president to pardon those guilty of crimes under their command is outrageous. And this from a president who said anyone from his administration guilty of these acts would be punished. It's like having a child for a president who says and does whatever makes him happy. It's childish and very un-presidenital.
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