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- Shorties, on 11/06/2007, -15/+101As much as I hate what he says he is right about global warming. This has nothing to do with Global warming, these happen every few years, I even told someone a few months ago it would happen. When you have a really dry winter like we did plus a really dry summer we get these fires. Global warming has nothing to do with these, its normal for california to get dry years every few years. Global Warming is real, but if we start abusing it and calling things like this global warming it will just give the right wingers more to attack and turn into a political issue and not a human issue like it needs to be. (Katrina had nothing to do with global warming either, that hurricane wasn't that big, its just the circumstances, ie the levees breaking, that made it a disaster).
- notfaded1, on 11/06/2007, -10/+76Actually by not thinning out some of the trees and brush in the areas it has caused part of the problem. This isn't a new idea. Controlled burns on areas have been done for years to prevent some of this exact kind of fires. Some environmentalists stopped attempts to make the area less flammable by removing some of the overgrowth.
- Insightful, on 10/30/2007, -62/+117Right-wingers like Beck apparently have a disconnect with reality.
It is no wonder that Colbert's famous quote: "Reality has a well-known liberal bias" has such a resonance in this day and age. - DRINKxREDxBULL, on 11/06/2007, -27/+75There is more forested land in the US now then there was when the country was founded. This is because we put out forest fires.
Natural forest fires only burn small areas, and then go out. Putting them out only makes the danger of super fires like this one worse because there is an accumulation of underbrush.
This was not a problem because roads are built through forested areas, creating firebreaks, and some areas where selectively logged (removing the fuel required to reach critical mass for a super fire), and some were clear cut, making bigger firebreaks (and allowing bigger fires to be more easily contained.
Enter the environmentalist wackos, who would rather see trees burn then be used to good man. They used the government to block all of these things, creating the conditions for the massive San Diego fires raging as we type. - inactive, on 10/26/2007, -20/+60Sorry leftys but he is right! Environmentalist have prevent the clearing of underbrush that prevents big fires like this. It also is fault of the home owners for building where they did. This fires are natural and need for the eco system to survive.
- MaynardJK, on 10/30/2007, -1/+41Not only that, but our policy of fighting fires also contributed. When we keep putting them out, the dead crap builds up on the forest floor instead of being burned through periodically. When a fire finally does hit the buildup, there is enough fuel to shoot it up into the crowns of the trees which makes it exponentially more difficult to stop.
Wildfires are a natural necessity for healthy forests. Our management of the forests has made them become the monsters that we keep seeing these days.
/former forest firefighter - strafefire, on 10/29/2007, -20/+56Well, not to defend this idiot, but CBS did state that there is evidence that these fires were set by arson....which kinda throws out the whole global warming thing...
He is still an idiot though... - tekrat, on 10/29/2007, -6/+35Didn't the current EPA and regional regulations that disallowed controlled burns and clearing old growth heavily contribute to current situation?
- waveman216, on 10/25/2007, -3/+28Absolutely correct. Combine with an insanely dry summer and winter the Santa Ana winds and you've got a socal fire oven. Also, the fact that most people ignore the warnings to cut back brush at least 150 ft or whatever it is from their homes doesn't help either. Tons of undergrowth, overpopulation, super dry windy conditions.
- yoda17, on 10/26/2007, -1/+23I live in SoCal. SD actually. The worst hit part of SD even more actually and within 1000' of me houses burned. Might have to do more with people building up against wild bushes and the 80mph windstorm (very impressive) that we had than global warming.
- unfilterthought, on 10/30/2007, -0/+20Some tree species (specifically conifers) NEED FIRE to germinate their seeds.
Fire is a natural part of their ecosystem and growth cycles. The animals that live around them have evolved to have fire as part of their lives. It clears the underbrush and opens up cones to release seeds. Burned vegetation enriches the soil.
The problem is not the environmentalists, or big oil, its humans in general living where fire naturally occurs and offsetting it. - wendelgee2, on 10/26/2007, -9/+28This is why we have foresters. They are experts in tending to...you guessed it, forests. Making this political is *****.
- satanatnmtedu, on 10/26/2007, -22/+40Except there is some validity to the idea. If forests have many restrictions on burns and undergrowth removal, then they are ripe to burn in catastrophic ways.
The thing about being a "liberal" should be that you are open to ideas even if they conflict with your opinions. dismissing Mr. Beck solely because he is a moronic blowhard is stupid. - FreakyT, on 10/30/2007, -7/+24That's why controlled burns are performed on forests periodically. I don't recall any environmentalists protesting *that*.
- ApokalypseNow, on 10/26/2007, -0/+16Just thought I'd throw this out here for consumption, not that I'm taking a stance on this issue one way or the other... Just so everyone knows, forest fires are not necessarily a bad thing in all cases. In fact, some plants require them to spread their seeds, like certain pine trees!
- Coven, on 11/06/2007, -30/+46“[I]f I hear global warming one more time, blood is going to shoot out of my eyes.”
Global warming. Global warming. Global warming. Global warming. GLOBAL WARMING! - felman87, on 10/26/2007, -15/+31blaming the fire or blaming the lack of National Guard troops there to aid citizens?
- shark615, on 10/26/2007, -8/+24Some do. The dont want any pruning, selective cutting or controlled burns
- arichard, on 10/25/2007, -1/+16Sounds reasonable to me. Our environmental policy sucks.
- superheroboy, on 10/25/2007, -1/+15It's part of La Nina. Every few years California has a really dry year because of it.
- Jomwilli, on 10/26/2007, -1/+13So what's with the FBI saying it's Arson then?
- obliviousfool, on 10/30/2007, -7/+19Blood shooting out of Beck's eyes would probably bring him record ratings!
- Calcularius, on 10/30/2007, -9/+20GLOBAL WARMING
GLOBAL WARMING
GLOBAL WARMING
did it work? - 5urr3al5am, on 10/26/2007, -2/+13Heres just one: http://greenvilleonline.com/news/2003/07/19/200307 ...
- munkeyhatecleen, on 10/26/2007, -1/+12"I even told someone a few months ago it would happen"
So YOU'RE the one to blame, it seems!! :P - azprofessional, on 10/30/2007, -8/+18That only furthers why Beck is a retard
- hatdrop, on 10/30/2007, -6/+16last time i checked Mormons were christians, what with "Jesus Christ's Church of Latter-Day Saints" being their Church and all
- XopherMV, on 10/26/2007, -3/+12Yeah, and those foresters are saying that the previous policy over the last hundred years of stopping forest fires was a mistake. By stopping fires, which occur naturally, we allowed the buildup of old, dead trees throughout the forests. Take a drive through just about any wooded area and you can see that for yourself. This buildup adds fuel to any fire that comes through and also makes fire much more likely.
Forest fires were regular occurrences for hundreds of millions of years before man came along. Those fires are a necessary component to maintaining the health of a forest.
Glenn Beck may be a blowhard, but he does have a point. - Vicujozobenaxod, on 10/27/2007, -3/+12There is a downside to clearing brush, as a method of preventing the violent wildfires from starting/spreading, but the fact that there is arson written all over these fires means this story is pointless.
- ZenMojo, on 10/30/2007, -10/+19People still spreading that myth, huh? Forested land has decreased to 10% of its acreage since the 19th century. Have you ever been to Washington State? Walk two or three miles off the road past those long stretches of wilderness and you'll see nothing but toothpicks and sawdust. Hell, just fly over the state once in a while.
- HanSolo69, on 10/26/2007, -2/+11Well...he does have a point. And for the most part his point is correct.
Controlled burns in the past would have done a lot to help this current situation. - minorthreat, on 10/30/2007, -7/+15Who the hell would think these forest fires have anything to do with global warming??? To me it just seems like they "thought" they found a reason to bash people who support a cleaner earth.
He claims the temp has increased 1 degree over the past 150 years? and most of that was before WWII? How do they let such ignorance be propagated to the masses? I'm honestly surprised anyone ever takes these so called news stations serious anymore. - sotopheavy, on 10/30/2007, -3/+11Global Warming
Global Warming
Global Warming
*Waits for Blood out the eyeballs* - Tapewormz, on 10/26/2007, -6/+14To be honest...I stopped watching CNN on 9/12... they shamelessly beat that horse even to this day.
- SammyJr, on 10/30/2007, -3/+11All Christianity is a cult. A cult that worships a long dead carpenter.
- SuperMoses, on 10/30/2007, -0/+7Wow, he had two guys on his panel who were against the environmentalists. Gotta love US media
- designer, on 10/26/2007, -4/+11Come on, you can't say that environmental policies that don't allow forest management (removing dead trees and other flammable stuff, controlled burns) don't contribute to fueling these huge fires.
- ralph12c41, on 10/30/2007, -1/+8Beck has a point. Some of our policies driven by preservation of certain species have contributed to fuel for the fires, and lack of access for equipment to fight the fires. Maybe we should have a rational discussion about it and see if there aren't trade-offs we could all agree on....Or is it more fun to just throw "bombs" at each other?
- inactive, on 10/30/2007, -6/+13Yeah two none ignorant people who have educated themselves in the truth. I applaud you for not being the typical ignorant digg sheep.
- donte, on 10/25/2007, -1/+8You know these phenomenon better as El Nino and La Nina. And they've been occurring for centuries (and that's only during the time that scientific minds bothered to track such things). These don't imply a climate change. They imply the fact that nature and climate are not 100% static. It changes. And more importantly, it's natural. You're not witnessing any new weather patterns here. It's not climate change. That oscillating change IS the climate.
- gyrfalcon, on 10/26/2007, -1/+7Double Dugg for Digging someone telling the truth! :)
- minoss, on 10/30/2007, -2/+8Um, buried for having absolutely nothing to do with the article.
- SparkyMaGee, on 10/26/2007, -1/+7He blames Bushes forest policy, but guess what? S Cali, doesn't have forests to thin.
- FreakyT, on 10/26/2007, -5/+11Neoconservative generally equates to Statism/Fascism, whereas Marx was more into Socialism/Communism.
- thentro, on 10/30/2007, -0/+6 Fire is natural and must occur periodically and any environmentalist who says it should not is an idiot. That said, the vast majority of environmentalists are for controlled burns. It is the logging interests that are dead set against them.
- duncanwinter, on 10/25/2007, -3/+9where in the world are you getting that first sentence from?
- heartcoldfusion, on 10/25/2007, -1/+7That's probably what he meant when he said it was because of 'those damn environmentalists,' he's just too foolish to articulate himself.
- CraigJ, on 10/25/2007, -1/+7latest news is that potentially 3 of them were. Santiago, Riverside, and I forget the other one...
- Scruffydan, on 10/30/2007, -3/+9Up here is British Columbia 'environmentalists' have been fighting for years to allow more prescribed burns, I assume in California the situation is similar.
- bigfinger, on 10/25/2007, -1/+7Props to notfaded1 and thentro for having rational and well thought out contributions. Too many digg comments have name calling and zero meaningful input or retorts.
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