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- ElSnuggles, on 11/21/2008, -4/+41I wish there were more Republicans like that. I'm tired of here the GOP scream "Liberals, Socialists, Gay Marriage, Terrorism, Higher Taxes, Abortion, Big Government!!!" while selling us out to big business.
- Robjayne, on 11/21/2008, -3/+32He makes some good points.
- SFJoe, on 11/21/2008, -4/+28A thoughtful and intelligent Republican? You so rarely see any of that species anymore - I thought they had all become extinct.
- mikbunn, on 11/21/2008, -1/+23He says "don't solely rally around the war on terror," and "the environment is good, and we should protect it".
WHOA HOLY CRAP WHAT A SLAM. - inactive, on 11/21/2008, -3/+24There are plenty out there. They are being drowned out by the "teh gays! teh socialism! teh terror!" sycophants. I hope they make a comeback.
- inactive, on 11/21/2008, -8/+21Yeah, running a 72 year old, with a completely unqualified VP backup worked so well, why don't the Republicans run a 77 year old John Bircher in 2012!!!!
- inactive, on 11/21/2008, -4/+14Did you just call a Republican governor from Utah a hippy?
You win troll of the day... - inactive, on 11/21/2008, -3/+12If you've ever been robbed by a John Bircher, you know how unbelievably fleet footed they can be. I think it's safe to assume that 95% of crime committed is by young John Birch males.
- muffcakes, on 11/21/2008, -1/+10Based on what you say you don't know what a CONSERVATIVE is. This issue is irrelevant to fiscal conservatism and whether it is relevant to social conservatism is at best a matter of opinion.
You are a thoughtless politically polarized sheep. Don't talk. - inactive, on 11/21/2008, -2/+11One problem with the article is the beginning, claiming Utah is a "Ruby Red" state. Yes, McCain won the state, but Obama won the county that contains Salt Lake City. Utah ain't as red as people want to automatically assume...
"“The war on terror can’t be the organizing principle of the Republican party,” he said."
But it IS, along with the "holy war". I am as anti radical Islam as anyone, but you can only make your living off the fear card so long, while your own party members make a fortune off said fear card.
Oh, and the title of this submission is *****. He doesn't slam the party. He makes a couple of points, and suggestions. - zacharytelschow, on 11/21/2008, -0/+9"Yes, McCain won the state, but Obama won the county that contains Salt Lake City."
What's your point? I'm sure that even in the reddest states Obama won all the major cities. - bicyclethief, on 11/22/2008, -1/+9"The last place we can be as a party is be viewed as the anti-science party. That’s not a model for the future.”
lol
anti-science, anti-conservation, anti-immigration, anti-separation of church and state, anti-gay, etc. - zacharytelschow, on 11/21/2008, -3/+11Republicans intend to run a CONSERVATIVE in 2012. This guy, based on what he has to say, isn't one of them.
- vtnerd, on 11/21/2008, -3/+11There's a difference between having a personal opinion about something and legislating that opinion on everyone else.
Paul has opinions, to be sure, but he doesn't cram them down your neck. That is what we need in our government - a small, limited federal government that relies upon the 10th Amendment to tell them what they can and cannot do. - mikbunn, on 11/21/2008, -2/+10RTFA
- elo91, on 11/22/2008, -1/+8what i want to know is how the republicans can have a lot of guys who make sense, yet when it comes time to pick one to run for president they choose the worst possible option. seriously, this whole "social conservative" thing needs to end. there is no such thing as a social conservative. if you're conservative, then by definition you don't think the government has much business telling anyone what they can and cannot do in their private life. the republican party has just been hijacked by the neocon movement and fundamentalist christians. the best thing the republican candidate in 2012 can do is tell all of the evangelicals to ***** off, and promote the classic conservative platform of small government.
- MWeather, on 11/22/2008, -0/+7"Regarding the 14th Amendment, you do not have a "right" listed in the Constitution to get married."
Firstly: "The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people."
Secondly: Loving vs Virginia ruled race-based restrictions on marriage unconstitutional in 1967 and in it's decision upheld marriage as a right.
Here's an excerpt from the ruling:
"Marriage is one of the "basic civil rights of man," fundamental to our very existence and survival.... To deny this fundamental freedom on so unsupportable a basis as the racial classifications embodied in these statutes, classifications so directly subversive of the principle of equality at the heart of the Fourteenth Amendment, is surely to deprive all the State's citizens of liberty without due process of law. The Fourteenth Amendment requires that the freedom of choice to marry not be restricted by invidious racial discrimination. Under our Constitution, the freedom to marry, or not marry, a person of another race resides with the individual and cannot be infringed by the State."
And here's what Mildred Loving has to say about gay marriage on the ruling's 40th anniversary:
"Surrounded as I am now by wonderful children and grandchildren, not a day goes by that I don't think of Richard and our love, our right to marry, and how much it meant to me to have that freedom to marry the person precious to me, even if others thought he was the "wrong kind of person" for me to marry. I believe all Americans, no matter their race, no matter their sex, no matter their sexual orientation, should have that same freedom to marry. Government has no business imposing some people's religious beliefs over others. Especially if it denies people's civil rights.
I am still not a political person, but I am proud that Richard's and my name is on a court case that can help reinforce the love, the commitment, the fairness, and the family that so many people, black or white, young or old, gay or straight seek in life. I support the freedom to marry for all. That's what Loving, and loving, are all about." - unclecaveman, on 11/21/2008, -2/+9“If we’re going to survive as a party, we need to focus on the environment,”
They need to do a hell of a lot more than that to survive. The Republican party is destroying itself. The coalition of fiscal conservatives and evangelical Christians is coming undone. Half of the party wants Palin/Huckabee 2012 and the other half....maybe Romney? Fiscal conservatives have no one to rally around. - chourobin, on 11/22/2008, -1/+8Anyone want a party that is socially liberal but fiscally conservative? If the republicans weren't so damn ideological and to blatantly reject science, I might lean towards them. They used to be the party of big business, now they are the party of hicks and wingnuts.
- TheEngineer2008, on 11/21/2008, -0/+7"One problem with the article is the beginning, claiming Utah is a "Ruby Red" state. Yes, McCain won the state, but Obama won the county that contains Salt Lake City. Utah ain't as red as people want to automatically assume..."
McCain won Utah 63% - 34%. That seems to imply that the state is pretty red overall. - charm803, on 11/21/2008, -1/+8If he were to say something about keeping religion out of politics, that would be great....or at least keep Utah out of California.
- inactive, on 11/21/2008, -1/+8Yeah, that's exactly what he's doing /s
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Progressive_tax - inactive, on 11/21/2008, -10/+16Paul is exactly the kind of republican that Huntsman was talking about.
-Denies Evolution AND global warming
-Wants to define life at concept, aka de facto federal abortion ban: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sanctity_of_Life_Act
-Doesn't believe in separation of church and state
-Thinks it's okay for states to regulate "gay rights"
http://fusionistlibertarian.blogspot.com/2007/11/c ...
Hell he even voted against relief for his own district after Hurricane Ike. THAT will come up in 2010.
He'll be a 77 years old by 2012. He's the future of nothing (thankfully) - Infidelcastr0, on 11/21/2008, -1/+6Hear Hear
- slothlovechunk, on 11/22/2008, -0/+5Utah is the reddest state in the Union, consistently.
- mikbunn, on 11/21/2008, -2/+7Digg works the same way the MSM does. The more hysterical you can make people, the more diggs you get.
- lychondy, on 11/22/2008, -0/+5I think the problem here is the word party. Maybe we can borrow some of George Washington's words from his farewell address and relate them to parties.
"They serve to organize faction, to give it an artificial and extraordinary force; to put, in the place of the delegated will of the nation, the will of a party, often a small but artful and enterprising minority of the community; and, according to the alternate triumphs of different parties, to make the public administration the mirror of the ill-concerted and incongruous projects of faction, rather than the organ of consistent and wholesome plans digested by common counsels, and modified by mutual interests.
However combinations or associations of the above description may now and then answer popular ends, they are likely, in the course of time and things, to become potent engines, by which cunning, ambitious, and unprincipled men will be enabled to subvert the power of the people, and to usurp for themselves the reins of government; destroying afterwards the very engines, which have lifted them to unjust dominion." - RationalFacts, on 11/22/2008, -2/+7It will be hard for republicans to go 'environmental' if the core of the party keeps believing in creationism and the 6000 year old earth. I think the republicans are moving towards a split in two, a more central leaning branch, and a hard-core religious branch. This may be the start of the three-party system in the US...
- pintomp3, on 11/21/2008, -6/+11umm, paul is one of the denier crowd. both global warming and evolution.
- IndieBryan, on 11/22/2008, -1/+6It will take time for us to trust the Republican party. *sighs* 8 years of horrible leadership..
- TheEngineer2008, on 11/21/2008, -0/+4That's the title RealClearPolitics gave it. All I did was cut and paste it. Also, in the current GOP, that probably is a slam, as the party isn't exactly embracing any criticism from within the party yet.
- inactive, on 11/21/2008, -5/+9"There's a difference between having a personal opinion about something and legislating that opinion on everyone else."
Except that's exactly what the sanctity of life act its. It's paul legislating his opinion in a federal bill.
Here are his own words about it:
"I have a Bill in congress I certainly would promote and push as president, called the Sanctity of Life Amendment. We establish the principle that life begins at conception..."
And the 14th amendment was established to keep states FROM infringing on our rights as well. That's why anti-sodomy laws are unconstitutional. - inactive, on 11/21/2008, -1/+5I, for one, couldn't stand Mitt Romney for his incessant flip-flopping.
As governor of MA, he implemented center-left policies; while running for the presidential nomination, he toed the Bush Administration party line.
Who is the real Mitt Romney? Answer: a guy who will say and do whatever is popular with the people he's campaigning to. Populists are not good leaders. - pintomp3, on 11/21/2008, -1/+5***** romney, he said he would double the size of gitmo.
- muffcakes, on 11/21/2008, -2/+6Wow - that was an excessively harsh comment I just made. Sorry about that.
- pintomp3, on 11/21/2008, -2/+6you mean banning gay marriage and abortion won't solve all our problems? dugg for a republican who makes some sense.
- inactive, on 11/22/2008, -3/+7I am a non-Mormon Utah Democrat (yes there are a few of us) Trust me Huntsman is no prize. He had a rich daddy and name recognition. That is what got him elected in UT (combined with a totally ineffective Democrat party). At least the hardcore conservatives in the state totally hate him. Put he has never really stood for anything and never will
- whiteguysamurai, on 11/22/2008, -4/+8This is a part of the GOP plan to soften it's image, and steal the white house in 2012.
Don't fall for it, if this guy really wanted to make a social change, he would have switched parties. - inactive, on 11/21/2008, -3/+7Yes, paul has a misguided view on abortion. But trying to define LIFE (a legal term) at conception would grant them the same rights that we have. That means NO abortion because it would be de facto murder.
When did I say anything about gay marriage? did you even read my post? - cmootoo, on 11/22/2008, -1/+5McCain is center by nature but sold out to the far right to try and solidify the base. The disastrous pick of Palin is one such example of this.
69% of Republicans won't win you any national election. Especially since the total number of registered republicans is smaller than registered democrats and comparable to the number of independents. McCain's campaign was weak before she came on and she drew the crowds but scared away any weak democrats and independents. Crowds don't vote though, people do. - inactive, on 11/22/2008, -0/+4MWeather,
Do you mind if I steal your post now and then? It is just too well written not to share. - fuzzynyanko, on 11/22/2008, -0/+4I think by both losing some of the crappier politicians, and the Republican party getting its ass handed to it, it's going to become a better party
- inactive, on 11/21/2008, -5/+9It didn't matter in the 2008 election because he was basically running unopposed. Now in the 2010 primary...
So just because the majority of the country is ignorant that makes it right to elect him? And it as a political issue is a strawman. Here someone explains why it matters:
"I hate when people pretend that ***** like evolution isn't relevant to picking a leader. I'm sorry, but Dr. Paul is a ***** MEDICAL DOCTOR and he still refuses to accept evolution as fact. He spews all the same nonsensical ***** playing with the word 'theory' to hoodwink his inbred West Texan constituents, but it makes me sick to see relatively educated people eat it up just because they like Paul's economics. He is CLEARLY NOT MENTALLY FIT TO BE COMMANDER-IN-CHIEF if he denies evolution after spending years of his life studying biology. I won't launch into an attack on Paul's anachronistic and disastrous economic platform, aside from pointing out that it comes from the same mind who thinks race riots were about blacks wanting their latest welfare check and that Jesus shat out all life 6,000 years ago."
2. I'll grant you the global warming thing.
"false on both accounts. Lack of federal involvement does not constitute states regulating peoples rights."
So the federal government should not have gotten involved in slavery, a once hailed "states right"?
*****. We have a 14th amendment to PREVENT this kind of state fascism. And if you read the actual link, you'd see I wasn't basing this accusation on any inaction, but his outspoken opposition to Lawrence vs Texas.
I never wished him death. I wished him obscurity. - MadOgre, on 11/22/2008, -1/+4 Al Gore is such a clown I can't believe people take him seriously. He's saying, and other moronic scholars agree with him... that Global Climate Change killed off the Mayans. I'm thinking Gore must be really fun at parties because no sane person would want to hang around this guy. This pretty much goes against everything I've ever learned in history, and probably you too. The Mayans were a people like any other. And like any other people, when the environment changes, they adapt. Ever other civilization did. What makes a civilization disappear through the rest of history is War and Disease. In the case of the Mayans, they had a lot of both. Next up, Al Gore is going to blame global warming for the disappearance of the Aztec and Anasazi. Were the Mayans so weak of mind and body that they couldn't deal with a climate change? Is he saying that the Mayans were like insects or something and could be killed off by a fraction of a degree of temperature change? It's insulting that he, and others like him, would put that very poor theory out there in the face of real actual scientific, archaeological and historical evidence. The gall of him.
There is a good series of historical videos you need to watch, called “Who Killed The Maya?” I point this out because it's interesting, educational, and tells historical stories that have not been heard before. Fascinating. I love history and it is a passion of mine. The key bit against climate change is spoken in the last part of the 3rd part of this 5 part series. “Even in the face of the drought, many Mayan cities continued to thrive.” Sorry, Al.
Of course I put forth another theory that I've used in Silvershot. What wipes out whole cities mysteriously and seemingly overnight... Zombies. Any time a people have a mass disappearance like that... Skinwalkers, evil necromancer shaman raise an army of undead and launches them against the city. Now I'm putting that out as a fantasty. Al Gore is putting his out there as some sort of a fact. I don't know who's fiction is more outrageous. - cadams, on 11/22/2008, -0/+3You should look into Blue Dog Coalition or Blue Dog Democrats.
- kingmanic, on 11/22/2008, -1/+4It's not GOP votes you need. it's the undecided.
- Focher, on 11/22/2008, -1/+4That's why many Republicans are out of touch. They continue to perpetuate every issue as right or left, despite that things like science are not political issues at all. Global warming / climate change is not a political issue. It is only falsely turned into one because certain interests are affected by policies which are necessary to fix the problem.
- Loonacy, on 11/22/2008, -0/+3There's a running joke here in Utah:
Governor Huntsman is the best Democratic governor we've ever had. - TrancePhreak, on 11/22/2008, -1/+4http://www.washingtonblade.com/2006/4-27/news/nati ...
http://www.news24.com/News24/World/US_Elections_20 ...
yay digg bias. - Lhandroval, on 11/21/2008, -3/+6This guy knows his stuff. The only way for the Republican Party to be successful after this election is for the Republicans to become the party of the center and hope the Democrats continue going farther to the left edge.
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