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- novenator, on 11/06/2009, -4/+19wow, wildly inaccurate response. A couple of points:
the video states "millions will no longer have a choice about their health care coverage."
A public option is by nature, and OPTION. If you like your current provider and plan, stick with it! Also, the assertions about the fine and jailtime are grossly exaggerrated.
Insurance companies don't just deny coverage to folks with typos, folks have been denied coverage for the following reasons: taking anti-HIV meds after getting raped, suffered domestic abuse, being a cop, etc.
The guy who made this video is wrong about his facts, and has no sense of humor. - RooC10, on 11/05/2009, -1/+10Probably could have picked a real commercial to debunk.
- burrdugg, on 11/06/2009, -0/+8Maybe he thought that was real commercial.
- homer524, on 11/06/2009, -2/+9Ahhh, refuting "wildly inaccurate" statements with actual wildly inaccurate statements
dugg for idiocy - shawn1122, on 11/06/2009, -0/+4Wow those are by far the most intelligent youtube comments ever.
- IrishJoe, on 11/06/2009, -0/+3Probably did.
- Djerrid, on 11/06/2009, -2/+5Didn't that announcer sound like the fast talk guy at the end of car commercials?
"Restrictions and fees and misleading claims may apply." - murrdpirate, on 11/06/2009, -0/+3The government can simply charge 50% less than private insurers and make up the difference with tax revenue. So if you don't go with the public option, you are paying for half your plan anyway through taxes. And you would have to pay twice as much to get private insurance. That is not a real option.
If they want to start a public option that has to sustain itself instead of just continually feeding off tax revenue, fine. But that is not what they are proposing. - whatthefu, on 11/06/2009, -2/+5I am pretty sure the best way to respond to that funnyordie "ad" is with more comedy and not a whiny, elitist, nasal douche complaining about liberals.
- RooC10, on 11/06/2009, -0/+2I wasn't trying to say that they were wrong, I just feel like there are bigger culprits when considering misleading/exaggerating commercials.
- Xcel, on 11/06/2009, -0/+2@2DumbKids Jon Stewart is far more credible than Fox News. He calls out every news station on their BS. Now what does that say when Jon Stewart is comedian? Double Standards much?
- murrdpirate, on 11/06/2009, -1/+3What are you talking about? His point was that the government eliminates competition. An example of the government eliminating competition is USPS. It is ILLEGAL for anyone other than the USPS to deliver mail. They COMPLETELY eliminated ALL competition in delivering mail.
- mbraynard, on 11/06/2009, -1/+3If it's an 'option', then why is there a financial and criminal penalty for not selecting it?
- redfan, on 11/06/2009, -0/+2"You don't happen to live in Missouri do you?"
Nope--Illinois. I'll have to take your word on the improvement of the DMV in Missouri because frankly I don't care to look it up at the moment.
And the people you're talking about are high risk drivers. The problem is that the car insurance analogy breaks down here because getting into car accidents is largely under the control of the driver, whereas getting, say, cancer, is generally not. Especially in kids. Now if you're fine with someone not getting health insurance because they get sick from something not under their control and having to decide between dying or living in bankruptcy, they quite frankly we fundamentally disagree on the basics of the social contract of a society.
Thanks for assuming I don't know how insurance works though. It's very teabagger of you. But indeed I do manage to pay my car, health, and life insurance policy payments on time. - themaxxx, on 11/06/2009, -0/+2I guess your video group fits you well.
- spork2900, on 11/06/2009, -2/+4he does realize the Funny or Die vid was a joke...right?
- murrdpirate, on 11/06/2009, -2/+3The fact that it is called an option does not mean it is actually an option. What if the government said "sure, you can choose to get private insurance, but we'll cut off your arms if you do." Is that a legitimate option? Of course not. Obviously the real situation is not that extreme, but you have to consider the penalties for not getting government insurance before you say everything is fine because you have an option. The main problem I have is that the government insurance program, like the vast majority of government programs, will inevitably lose money and make up the difference with tax dollars. That means I will end up paying for this so called option anyway, so I will practically be forced to get it.
It's not the role of insurance companies to hand out charity coverage. Their job is to asses how much medical care you will likely need and come up with a rate that corresponds to your risk level. What is wrong with that? All of those cases you mentioned are people that are high risk. It's sad that they are high risk, but why do you blame insurance companies for now wanting to hand out charity? Have you helped any of these people? - danrien, on 11/06/2009, -0/+1you can send a letter via fedex or UPS. no one is stopping you. have fun paying 5+ bucks to send a letter.
btw, USPS pays for itself. it has to, by law. So it has to compete just like everybody else. - redfan, on 11/06/2009, -2/+3Wow, what a terrible, terrible video with easily debunked points.
1. Yes, there would be a penalty for not having some kind of health insurance. Just like there is now for not having auto insurance. That's called a mandate, and it prevents people from gaming the system by only buying insurance when they need it and causing everyone else's costs to go up. See: pool, risk.
2. Hollywood stars do often make a lot (although they account for a small percentage of all actors). They just don't do it by denying healthcare to people who are sick or dying. And why assume that all movie stars drink lattes? We don't assume that all healthcare execs drink the blood they have all over their hands, do we?
3. Insurance companies don't make a lot compared to other industries... and? Whether they make a little or a lot is irrelevant when considering the unethical ways in which they make money, whether it's $1 billion, $1 trillion, or $1.
4. I have no idea what this guy's point is about the kid with the broken leg. He admits that his insurance premiums will go up if the kid's parents don't pay, and then seems to say that he's ok with this scenario, before making some sarcastic comment about the government doing... something.
5. Wow, thanks for debunking the one, single, solitary incident of an insurance company wrongly denying benefits to someone. I'll sleep much easier tonight. As for the DMV, my local office has hugely improved over the past five years to the point where getting in and out to make a change takes less than a half hour. And I don't have to fill out pages and pages of forms with "Blue Cross" written all over the top.
Honestly, I stopped here, 3:30 into the video. Not worth my time to debunk this moron who thinks he's being clever by insulting my intelligence. - redfan, on 11/06/2009, -1/+2The Democrats' plan will save more money and insure far, far more people.
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/ezra-klein/2009/1 ...
What is it that you kids say these days? "FTW"? - novenator, on 11/06/2009, -1/+2murrdpirate, I think the best thing we can do is to enact a single-payer system in America. Since America is probably not ready for such a bold step, a strong, robust public option is a reasonable compromise position. A couple points though.
Nobody will 'force' anyone into a public health insurance option. Health insurance will be made mandatory (like car insurance), but the plan you chose is left up to you. As someone who has not had even the most basic medical care for 10 years, I look forward to getting a check up.
As for the cost, government programs need to be held accountable for their cost structure, but remember the US Postal Service cannot make money, it is against their rules, so in years where they could have, they did not. Also, other Western nations seem to make their fully socialized systems work pretty well, I think if we put our minds to it, we can have the same success here at home. - murrdpirate, on 11/06/2009, -1/+2Name one inaccurate statement.
- mbraynard, on 11/06/2009, -1/+2Made front page on Digg, so why not?
- confoundedjoe, on 11/06/2009, -3/+3You mean like by using ad-hominem attacks?
- Shwaavay, on 11/07/2009, -1/+1However you couldn't managed to figure out how to correctly use the "Reply" link.
My analogy doesn't break down, you're analysis is wrong. I was speaking from the perspective of running a business, you analyzed from the perspective of being in poor health. To the insurance company (who is again, a business; still not sure if you understand that part) it doesn't matter that you REALLY REALLY need the insurance, all that matters is the risk of having to pay more benefits than they would receive in premiums. Ergo, denying coverage to those with pre-existing conditions. - Shwaavay, on 11/06/2009, -1/+1Awesome video. Don't listen to these pansies. It has to be good if it managed to make the front page of this liberal cornucopia.
- drewdrakes, on 11/06/2009, -2/+2I also liked the part where he says that the option would drive insurance companies out of business and then, in the next breath, says how the U.S. Postal Service has an unfair advantage over FedEx. And yet, FedEx still survives...?
- lennynumberone, on 11/06/2009, -2/+2Yes, you should be. Your post was neither informative or entertaining, and to put an even finer point on it, you will have to do better than putting one word "BORING!" and then "Buried" in a thread post about such an important thing in so many people's lives such as healthcare. This is probably one of the main reasons why the GOP just can't get a major win. They, like yourself, have nothing to offer that anyone is interested in.
- Canadian007, on 11/06/2009, -1/+1There's not. The penalty is if you do not select insurance... not specifically government insurance but any insurance whether it be publicly or privately funded; so there is no excuse to not have insurance.
- Shwaavay, on 11/06/2009, -1/+1Please cite one instance ever where a democrat's plan saved ANY money at all. In lieu of that, provide an example of one democrat plan that didn't cost at least twice as much as projected.
I'm waiting... - Shwaavay, on 11/06/2009, -1/+1You don't happen to live in Missouri do you? Because the DMV in this state has gotten a lot better in the last few years.
They privatized it.
Most of the diatribe above is just drivel but I would like to address the insurance companies denying health care bit because I think it's funny how they have you brainwashed. Insurance companies can't deny anyone health care any more than I could deny someone a haircut. They sell insurance. IN-SUR-ANCE.
If you had crashed every car you'd ever owned on the first day you drove it, you would be denied auto insurance too. Therefore if the company sees that you will likely have high medical costs, it makes no sense to sell you a policy. That's how INSURANCE works. - redfan, on 11/06/2009, -1/+1You're right, Democrats have no experiences with controlling costs.
http://www.factcheck.org/askfactcheck/during_the_c ...
Now, would you like to dispute anything specific in the CBO report? Or are you just going to continue with strawman arguments? - Shwaavay, on 11/06/2009, -2/+1What's your point? Everyone knows we were in a period of extreme economic growth (Due to the fiscal policies of Reagan mind you) and that tax revenues in a time like that will wipe away a deficit with no problem.
- 2DumbKids, on 11/06/2009, -1/+0If you hate this one... you're gonna love to hate this one:
"UNIVERSAL BEER CARE"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OgINKGWp1EA
- 2 Dumb Kids - 2DumbKids, on 11/06/2009, -2/+1All of your comments amuse me... good or bad... it makes no difference. In fact, the hateful ones make me laugh the most. I love it when people with poor grammar try to make fun of me by calling me "stupid" or "retarded".
Cheers. - Baronvontito1, on 11/06/2009, -4/+3Holy *****, what a massive, ignorant, idiot.
- AlienMushroom, on 11/06/2009, -5/+4Surprise, surprise. Redneck making retarded videos.
- Shwaavay, on 11/06/2009, -5/+4Wow! Digg comments full of a bunch of liberal panty-wads.
Sorry you guys can't deal with it when somebody puts your precious little socialized health care utopia on blast.
BTW, in case you hadn't heard, the Republicans have put together a bill that will actually reduce the costs involved in the system. You guys should check it out.
http://digg.com/politics/House_GOP_pens_230_page_h ...
And they barely broke 200 pages... - fragMasterFlash, on 11/06/2009, -6/+3BORING!
Buried. - 2DumbKids, on 11/06/2009, -8/+2When it's paid for by MoveOn.org, shown on MSNBC, and has 2 million+ viewers on FunnyOrDie.com, it doesn't matter if it's real or not. I understand that it was supposed to be funny / sarcastic, but I find no humor in misleading younger / less informed audiences with false information... especially when similar audiences (when polled) consider comedians like "Jon Stewart" to be their most trusted news source.
