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Fox: ‘There’s Just as many Convoy Attacks in U.S. as Iraq"

thinkprogress.org — Fox News host Brian Kilmeade presented his sunshine-filled vision of Iraq, declaring that “the Green Zone could come down in 6 months” and praising a new hotel to be built in Baghdad. His view was so optimistic he declared that there were “just as many convoy attacks” in the streets of America as there are now in Iraq

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  • HeartlandUSA, on 07/22/2008, -5/+106Iraq this Month 7/22

    Monday: 24 Iraqis Killed, 32 Wounded

    Sunday: 24 Iraqis Killed, 34 Wounded

    Saturday: 13 Iraqis Killed, 5 Wounded

    Friday: 2 GIs, 5 Iraqis Killed; 19 Iraqis Wounded

    Thursday: 1 US Soldier, 10 Iraqis Killed; 15 Iraqis Wounded

    Wednesday: 1 US Soldier, 29 Iraqis Killed; 126 Iraqis Wounded

    Tuesday: 1 US Soldier, 56 Iraqis Killed; 99 Iraqis Wounded

    Monday: 1 US Soldier, 16 Iraqis Killed; 20 Iraqis Wounded

    Sunday: 18 Iraqis Killed, 22 Wounded

    Saturday: 23 Iraqis Killed, 16 Wounded

    Friday: 2 US Soldiers, 10 Iraqis Killed; 9 Iraqis Wounded

    Thursday: 8 Iraqis Killed, 17 Wounded

    Wednesday: 1 US Soldier, 30 Iraqis Killed; 76 Iraqis Wounded

    Tuesday: 1 US Soldier, 4 Contractors, 36 Iraqis Killed; 28 Iraqis Wounded

    Monday: 24 Iraqis Killed, 58 Wounded

    Sunday: 1 US Soldier, 26 Iraqis Killed; 43 Iraqis Wounded

    Saturday: 15 Iraqis Killed, 27 Wounded

    Friday: 6 Iraqis Killed, 11 Wounded

    Thursday: 31 Iraqis Killed, 24 Wounded

    Wednesday:11 Iraqis Killed, 33 Wounded

    Tuesday: 24 Iraqis Killed, 77 Wounded

    For details: http://antiwar.com/updates/

    & here: http://www.iraqbodycount.org/database/recent/
    • Contrast27, on 07/23/2008, -18/+4I'm sorry, could you elaborate on that?
    • bradysdaman, on 07/23/2008, -22/+4wow such reliable unbiased sources...but we'll never know if they are telling the truth or not
      • haydesigner, on 07/23/2008, -0/+4Would you believe it if your widdle mommy told you?
      • Delphium226, on 07/23/2008, -0/+4You have an alternative source thats unbiased? No, I thought not.
      • CryRightardCry, on 07/23/2008, -1/+6LOL
        So flush your sad ass back to LGF, where the level of "journalism" is something you can handle.
        It's sad when rightards claim the source is bad because the facts don't match their fantasies.
    • AeonTorpor, on 07/23/2008, -1/+17Good god, this is unreal. there's something like 4000 us troops dead and the stats are like 25 Iraqi to US soldiers killed.

      100,000 + Iraqis dead.

      Our government used the sentiments of 3000-ish dead in 2001 to drum up this BS to kill 100,000 + people in a completely unrelated country and 4000 of ours just to do it.

      How are they (the lot of them) not tried for crimes against humanity?!
      • gsnedders, on 07/23/2008, -0/+5Look at how France got treated when speaking against the Iraqi war before it happened. Americans don't seem to be able to take anything apart from being told their perfect.
      • nick1971, on 07/23/2008, -0/+2Try to work out an exchange course for 1 life.
        A life lost in 9/11
        A US Soldier
        A Iraqi
        An African.
        A barrel of oil.
        To the reason why they are not arrested and tried for crimes against humanity, GWB removed the US from the UN Treaty on Human Rights.
        Just to be sure he then passed legislation which meant should a US citizen be arrested under the treaty the US armed forces must rescue them.
        Seems to be a great get out of jail free card.
      • jabberwolf, on 07/23/2008, -4/+3Yeah because the USA should be tried for Iraqis killing each other.

        Its the USA's fault. Heaven forbid anyone else take responsibility for their actions!
      • Codwhy, on 07/23/2008, -3/+2while its no justification for the things we have done over there,
        im going to have to partially agree with jabberwolf.

        the numbers of iraqi's killed doesnt necissarily mean that they died at the hands of the U.S.

        bombs go off daily in Iraq, and we arent planting them
    • algaeturd, on 07/23/2008, -0/+3So what are you saying? That the forecast isn't nearly as sunny as Faux News has reported?
      I heard that they have an ice cream truck driving around at all hours giving out free ice cream and playing haunting ice cream melodies from the speakers...
    • ooby, on 07/23/2008, -2/+0tl;dr
    • jabberwolf, on 07/23/2008, -1/+1Nice but if you actually look at the sources..

      The numbers dont add up? Are you combining both sources or what?
      Take Thursday for example? And even the sources that point to their sources dont add up.
      Nice propaganda piece but I'm sure you were counting on people not looking at the articles or their sources.

      Not taking away from the fact that there is still violence but a dramatic drop in it since the surge which even Obama said worked. So if you have issues, maybe you should take up with him as well.
      • RossDuprey, on 08/17/2008, -0/+1Your point is irrelevant because we should not be there in the first place.
  • toddcat, on 07/22/2008, -5/+57These fascist corporate whoremongers.
    • usaf1984, on 07/23/2008, -24/+2Fox news sucks but that doesnt make you any less of a tool.
      • CryRightardCry, on 07/23/2008, -1/+4You might think so, but that's because you are a rightard shill, and you ***** get everything wrong.
        Or are you actually thinking that being a rightard shill somehow makes you morally superior?
        Either way, you are pretty sad.
      • toddcat, on 07/27/2008, -0/+1So even though I'm making a criticism you agree with, I'm still somehow a dope? How'd ya figure? You know you're just another dittohead.
    • warlax27, on 07/23/2008, -26/+2Go back to Russia if you got a problem!
      • haydesigner, on 07/23/2008, -0/+8Is that really your idea of an intelligent retort?
  • tykwondingo, on 07/22/2008, -2/+74When was the last time there was a "convoy attack" on US soil???

    Brian Kilmeade is either insane or retarded... possibly both.
    • cheezintern, on 07/23/2008, -0/+9I think he's just a robot. He'll get 'reskinned' or replaced when his particular ratings go down a little. Whatever the new anchor will look like, it'll still be KilmeadeBot.
    • rexblade, on 07/23/2008, -2/+17Hes FOX therefore facts are optional.
    • PhilLesh69, on 07/23/2008, -0/+39Just the other day, I was going to starbucks to get a cup of coffee, so I obviously saddled up my entire crew of 5 humvees, with 5 guys in each vehicle, we did our comms check, did our weapons check, locked and loaded, and left our suburban compound on our coffee acquisition mission.

      Wouldn't you know it, halfway to starbucks, in front of the Whole Foods Store, we were ambushed by a faction of the organic party, and they tore up our convoy.

      Luckily, we had great fire discipline, and we all sped through the ambush and there were no casualties.

      We also successfully completed Operation Latte, and returned to our suburban home without further resistance from the insurgents. We aren't sure how many civilians were killed, but all I care about is that we got back alive, and enjoyed our lattes in the comfort of our McMansions.

      I'm a little worried about tomorrow's mission. We have to go buy some stuff at Crate and Barrel. Everyone knows that part of town is filled with furniture and nick-nack zealots. Luckily we just got in a whole fleet of up-armored humvees.
      • bizkit00, on 07/23/2008, -0/+20wow, you use satire against the suburbanization of american society while using ironic parody against false news. i dont think people know what to make of it. i'll give you a green thumb.
      • PhilLesh69, on 07/23/2008, -0/+16bizkit, the satire against suburbanization was merely a side affect. I was just trying to come up with funny things to put in my mocking of kilmeade.
      • MysticKatDaddy, on 07/23/2008, -0/+14that's one of the best posts I've ever read
      • tykwondingo, on 07/23/2008, -0/+4"Lock an' load... it's time for Lattes". Great story Phil, I'm glad to hear you made it out unscathed.
    • opiniastrous, on 07/23/2008, -1/+5Maybe he was referring to organised crime hijackings of semi-trailers, etc. (which do happen, particularly with expensive consumer electronics I believe).

      Still, not at all the same thing. That 1% doesn't make sense to me either. 1% of what?
      • PhilLesh69, on 07/23/2008, -0/+5or carjackings. or muggings.

        He's comparing an insurgency with the negative aspects of a society.

        They don't compare.

        He would have sounded more intelligent if he cited all of the normal ways people die in America, like from automobile accidents, heart disease, etc.

        But even then, he's still comparing apples and oranges. *****, not even apples and oranges, he's comparing apples and being in a country that doesn't want us there.
    • dumbducky, on 07/23/2008, -2/+1Or maybe he was saying there would be none?

      Brian Kilmeade isn't retarded, just overly optimistic and not very realistic. You're an ***** for misinterpreting something he said so you could say "OMG Fox NEWS IS EVIL!!!1!"
      • tykwondingo, on 07/23/2008, -0/+2How about this... you're retarded.
    • johnnyboy239, on 07/23/2008, -0/+3Well... He does work for Fox news..........
  • grendelboogie, on 07/22/2008, -1/+24Scary Pirates Attack Iowa National Guard Convoy. Film at 11.
    • cheezintern, on 07/23/2008, -2/+5Oh No! Sea pirates are the biggest threat to midwestern america. We need to let George Bush dissolve more civil rights for our protection!
    • PhilLesh69, on 07/23/2008, -0/+4Why are you trying to undermine the threat of the organo-fascists who are ambushing soccer moms in front of whole foods stores all across america?

      The pirates are a diversion!
  • philovivero, on 07/22/2008, -2/+16The MAFIAA have entire shipments of bits stolen from them while in transport from the recording studio to their bottom line. These bits can never be replaced and are as precious to them as human lives.

    FOX, unsurprisingly, is part of the MAFIAA, and is feeling the hurt on these convoy attacks that happen EVERY DAY from all sectors, including college campuses and elderly grandmothers' homes.

    The only thing we can do to stop the mad injustices of this world are to give the MAFIAA tax breaks and special legislation, while also spending trillions of dollars on mercenaries and military gear that will ensure that no home in Iraq goes unscathed!
    • PhilLesh69, on 07/23/2008, -4/+1RIAA.

      Don't confuse people with your satirical acronym version.
  • PhoenixFire7, on 07/22/2008, -12/+4Whoremonger???
    I wanna be a whoremonger!
    Screw FOX though. In fact, CNN and MSNBC aren't much better. CNN world is alright, but I believe Austin Powers said it best: "BBC, yeah, yeah, BBC. BBC peace!"
  • floridiot2, on 07/22/2008, -2/+17LOLWUT
  • jei731, on 07/23/2008, -10/+4Maybe all these DIGG-attacks against Bush government are counted as american ones.
    • algaeturd, on 07/23/2008, -1/+1How in the ***** can someone be so ignorant and uneducated to actually buy into this propaganda *****. Nothing personal, but you're the reason this country suck so badly and is such a huge failure right now...you and the other Bush supporters blindly waving the flag as the ship goes down.
  • dave11980, on 07/23/2008, -1/+10One of these days us decent republicans are going to kick the fools that hijacked our party out, then we can get back to the limited government republican party that did so much better. As my dad always says, "The Republican Party was alright until all those southern democrats switched in the 60's."
    • rearlgrant, on 07/23/2008, -0/+3"The GOP will be weakened if it adopts the exclusionary views of the religious right," he wrote in 1988. "The more the Republicans embrace fundamentalists or some of their self-anointed leaders, the more voters will be lost to the GOP."
    • dave11980, on 07/23/2008, -1/+4The GOP hasn't adopted any of the religious rights views. They have manipulated the religious right with fear to gain their votes yet do little to actually support their views. They do just enough to get the votes and not a thing further. This is an old tactic and both parties play it. Personally I'm voting third party this year, as a protest to both of these clowns if for no other reason.
    • thecatcantalk, on 07/23/2008, -0/+3I know what I like, and I like Ike!
    • biotch, on 07/23/2008, -0/+9What limited gov GOP are you talking about?
      Reagan, Bush sr., and Bush jr. all raised discretionary spending more than Clinton and blessed us with consecutive record deficits because their little trickle down theory resulted in slower economic growth.

      Sources:
      Slower economic growth:
      http://www.bea.gov/national/nipaweb/TableView.asp? ...

      Spending:
      http://www.factcheck.org/defending_spending_bushs_ ...
      Full data on spreadsheet from Office of Management and Budget
      http://www.whitehouse.gov/omb/budget/fy2005/sheets ...

      Deficits:
      http://i27.tinypic.com/120m447.jpg
      • thomleidner, on 07/23/2008, -0/+3Reagan was the beginning of the end of the GOP, some might even say Nixon though if you remove all his corruption (face it, ALL politicians are corrupt no matter which party) he was pretty on point for the GOP.

        If you read his father's statement he mentioned the 60's, not the 80's.

        fwiw - I'm a libertarian though I refuse to vote for Bob Barr whom I consider a carpetbagger.
      • biotch, on 07/23/2008, -0/+2yeah I noticed the 60s comment.... But that was all JFK and Linden. Im just curious who it was in the GOP, if anyone, actually accomplished smaller government and why that label has stuck with the GOP to now despite massive gov. increases specifically garnered by the GOP under Reagan, Bush sr. and Bush jr.
  • LukasSmith, on 07/23/2008, -24/+9I used to like "Digg.com" until I realized the anti-war propaganda.
    • Justice101, on 07/23/2008, -8/+7I wish it was just a techie site again...miss those days. :'-( /remorse
    • cheezintern, on 07/23/2008, -6/+9maybe because war is bad
    • felman87, on 07/23/2008, -1/+6and yet you still visit, day after day after day.
    • algaeturd, on 07/23/2008, -1/+7Hahahah! How long have you been a member? 2 hours?
      This site draws and attracts some of the smartest people around. You wouldn't always know it but the bottom line is that there are more educated digg users than there are educated Fox News writers.
      You think this war is good? Get your ass over there and fight in it then.
      Oh, you don't like it THAT much?
      OK, then STFU.
      • winwardsoul, on 07/23/2008, -1/+0i agree that the war is bad, but i am tired of hearing liberal BS from people are only saying what they have heard mainstream media say. i have heard a Colonel in the United States Marine Corps, who went to Iraq and worked with the tribal leaders to develop peaceful solutions to the problems over there, who has said that he doesn't believe that it is possible to pull out quickly. i am more inclined to listen to him, then the millions of DIGG users, who have nothing better to do then sit here and bit** about things they have no real idea about. if we had less people complaining, and more people enlisting, then maybe we wouldn't have service members going back three or four times. and maybe we could have finished this war alot sooner. but because of all you damn nay-sayers, leaving our military without support, this war has gone on for so many years.
      • rearlgrant, on 07/24/2008, -0/+1It's true!
        http://digg.com/politics/Least_Politically_Informe ...
    • biotch, on 07/23/2008, -1/+5lol Lukas...
      You practically live on digg.
      You're comment history is time stamped you know.
      Actions speak louder than words.
    • LukasSmith, on 07/23/2008, -6/+1I was going to say something biotch but then I saw your picture and your own comment history and decided. ***** it. Don't need to say more. Yeah everyone here is well educated the smartest people around. not. hell I know for a fact there are thousands of minors here who can't even vote. Smartest minds? not. And yeah typically I get into long drawn out arguments with people here because face it Digg.com is a biased place. Does that mean I feel compelled to slink quietly into the night and let you guys masturbate each other for hours with huffington post articles? no. Does dissent bother the obama fanatics so much that they must follow me wherever I go and (-) as if this will make me go away? Not going to happen. In any case thank God Digg.com does not represent America. Would be a ***** place to live. I will continue to contribute my voice of dissent to the mob of teenagers, yuppies, hippies, ex ron paul supporters and conspiracy nuts that reside here.
      • winwardsoul, on 07/23/2008, -2/+0thank you for your voice of reason in the liberal BS that is DIGG.com
    • Endemoniada, on 07/23/2008, -0/+3Well, I would sure HOPE you're anti-war as well. Surely you can't mean that you're actively PRO-war?
    • kemp34, on 07/30/2008, -0/+1Well you must be a total idiot.
  • anasek, on 07/23/2008, -1/+4Not a well worded analogy by Mr.Kilmeade. Good news is that US deaths in Iraq are at their lowest point ever in the war, 9 deaths this month. There are double that in Afghanistan, 18.
    • PhilLesh69, on 07/23/2008, -0/+218? That was just in one attack, on July 14th.

      There are at least 12 deaths so far in Iraq in July.

      As of the 17th, 22 soldiers died in Afghanistan.
  • NorthMass, on 07/23/2008, -6/+10FOX news is horrible, but how come people act like its only FOX that is corrupt? How come CNN, MSNBC, CBS, ABC all get a pass but FOX doesn't? They all are corrupt, FOX is just more blatantly obvious and arrogant about it.
    • PhilLesh69, on 07/23/2008, -0/+8Because we all know that all media outlets are biased and owned by 6 major corporations.

      The problem is that people who watch Fox News actually buy into their propoganda. They've had the "fair and balanced" line pounded into their heads, so they actually believe that the rest of us are just not informed, or want to destroy america because we refuse to believe all of this *****.

      The bottom line is that the people who watch Fox News are seeking justification for their support of the neocons. People who watch the other news outlets at least understand that it is all just propoganda.
      • NorthMass, on 07/23/2008, -0/+3The people who watch MSNBC, CNN, and other stations don't understand it is all just propoganda. This is evidenced by the lack of votes for 3rd party candidates. FOX just has more viewers than the other stations and is more arrogant and obvious in its bias so people seemingly give the other stations a free pass.
      • PhilLesh69, on 07/23/2008, -0/+3NorthMass, I liked Ron Paul for his positions, too.

        But, what 3rd party do you think will win until a majority of people stop buying into the two party system?

        You are putting your cart before your horse.

        Until the two party system is fully and completely exposed, you cannot expect to be effective in voting for a third party.
      • NorthMass, on 07/23/2008, -0/+1PhilLesh69, thank you for giving Ron Paul admiration. Ron Paul is everything that is right with America. Now with the 3rd parties, right now the Libertarians have a good chance of winning it all this year. But they are just as likely to get 8% of the vote as winning it, let me explain my reasoning. If Bob Barr can get into the debates this year he can win, he is at 6% right now nationally and needs to get to 10% by September to get into the Youtube debate. He has a real chance of approaching 10% by then. If he can get into that debate he would make Obama/Mccain look stupid and his numbers would soar overnight just like Perot in 1992 when he took the lead after the first debate. If Barr fails to get into the debate, he can still pull a solid 7-10% of the vote which is still a huge milestone for the Libertarians. Overall we need people to stop voting for the lesser of two evils. I am sure that millions of people know of Nader or Barr for example and want to vote for him but won't because he "can't win". But they could win if people stopped voting for the lesser of two evils, which is still evil. And even if Barr doesn't get into the debates this year and it is clear he has no better than a one in a million shot to become president, I will still vote for him because he is by far the best candidate in my opinion and I would be throwing my vote away voting for Obama/Mccain who I think are terrible candidates. Nader would be my second choice. Lets say if Barr gets 9% the media and politicians will realize people are waking up to new philosophies that they know work better than theirs, so they will have to clean up their act. More and more people will find 3rd parties to vote for as the economy collapses, and people will be demanding answers, and they will be realizing that the current Republicans and Democrats are pathetic and just won't care at this point of the lesser of two evils argument, they will be desperate for a new voice. The economy will collapse within a few years, we are $50 trillion in debt and most people don't realize it because the media doesn't tell people. People will get pissed when we collapse into a severe recession or a depression and then is when I think the 3rd parties start winning, unless Barr wins in 2008. If the economy collapse happens before the elections, I also think that would give Barr a chance to win it all.
      • PhilLesh69, on 07/24/2008, -0/+1NorthMass,

        It would be nice if your predictions turn out, but don't be overly optimistic.

        The two parties are very well entrenched and have a massive amount of power. Not to mention that since they both operate within the corporate/government revolving door system, the media (being almost wholly owned by 6 very large corporations) will always leave out 3rd parties and will present the facade of the legitimacy of a two party system.

        Too many people just believe whatever the media tells them, the average mainstream person doesn't have the intellectual curiosity or the motivation to investigate and learn about the world on their own terms, they simply consume whatever is fed to them. And it has gotten worse for many who stick to only the news sources they feel agree with their polarized political views.

        These things need to change before the two party system can be exposed for what it is -- a duopoly. It's too bad nobody has ever attempted to apply the Sherman Anti-Trust Act to our political parties.

        (there are even people who will argue that for the sake of stability, America should only ever have two parties, because of some nonsense about anarchy. Talk about being under the influence of an ideological belief system. Any citizen who cares about his own self interest and the best interests of his country should desire a more open political system, only corporations and special interests should desire a closed system.)
      • NorthMass, on 07/24/2008, -0/+2The thing is though, that I think the economy is about to totally collapse, and when that happens people will be desperately looking for answers. They will be demanding answers for once in their lives, and at that time I cannot see the BS go on anymore. If the politicians keep ***** up the economy after the economy collapses then I think people will take action for once by voting them out of office in droves, and the politicians know that. They are playing a dangerous game right now, for the last few decades people haven't realized that they have been getting screwed because their lives have been good, but they could of been so much better. Unless the politicians want to tear apart our economy so they can have a reason to bring on the N.A.U., I think they are heading for disaster. If they bring on this proposed N.A.U., then the American people will probably call them heroes for "fixing" the problem they created, while in the process destroying the United States of America.
      • PhilLesh69, on 07/24/2008, -0/+1NorthMass, the last sentence of your comment is probably the most likely scenario.

        We, as a "people" in the collective sense, have been conditioned to accept all kinds of things. One of those things we've been conditioned to accept is that whenever there is a crisis, we should rely on those that caused the crisis to fix things.

        I'm not sure if our economy is going to collapse. I've been expecting it for over a year and a half, but so far it has managed to maintain weak vital signs instead of just giving up the ghost.

        However, if it does collapse, you can be sure that the only solution that will be offered to us is the NAU and the eventual "global integration of financial, government and social systems".

        Ever heard of "rope a dope"?

        "Rope-a-dope is also commonly used to describe strategies in areas other than boxing, where one party purposely puts itself in what appears to be a losing position, and then becomes the eventual victor."
      • PhilLesh69, on 07/24/2008, -0/+1NorthMass,

        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wy6SlUpbnIU

        I especially like his comment around 3:15, and especially at 3:57 about fingerprinting mortgage brokers.

        The thing that scared me the most was at 4:30, where he mentions that the bill allows the IRS to track all credit card purchases.

        See how they use a crisis to slip in some form of government control over the actions of the citizens?

        Really. They are going to use the mortgage crisis to enact a law that even further monitors citizen's financial activities?

        Why? Do they care if I buy a certain brand of hair gel, or a certain brand of soda, or if I buy vegetables or if I buy frozen dinners? What book might I buy that could piss them off?

        None of that ***** is their business. A terrorist is not going to buy the book "If you hate the american government, this book is going to show you how to bring them down", and beside, all the credit card processing network really knows is the merchant you buy from, and the amount you charged through them. It doesn't actually itemize the purchase. I know, I used to process credit card charges using ICVerify. I knew what actual products were purchased, and my merchant account provider only knew the total amount of each processed transaction to deposit into my account.

        This is a backdoor to track taxable income.

        Yeah IRS!
  • Shaman760, on 07/23/2008, -2/+15Wow I remember when McCain said that Iraq was "safe enough to walk out in the streets" and when he was there, had 500 Blackwater stooges surrounding him.

    Just goes to show, these people do NOT have our best interests at hand, only their power-grabbing megalomania.
    • rexblade, on 07/23/2008, -0/+5Its their job to keep the war running that 10billion a month isnt just evaporating into thin air although it might as well. I wonder what % actually gets to the troops in the form of armor and supplies and what % goes to KBR Halliburton for insanely overpriced items.
      • Shaman760, on 07/23/2008, -0/+5Last I heard, soldiers' parents were buying them bulletproof body armor and sending it over. I guess those big Blackwater contracts that they have to pay sort of soak up the whole budget....

        Man thanks to Gates, who finally pulled his head out of his ass and asked "Why are we paying private companies to do the job of the military, whom are perfectly capable of handling any situation itself? "
      • rexblade, on 07/23/2008, -0/+4That and the whole thing has been a scam since it started. They would short supply shipments and then when the mistake was noticed on the invoices instead of sending what was left off they would write up a whole new invoice so basically we were double billed. And not to mention "no bid contracts" and stupid rules like only a halliburton piece of ***** trailer was allowed on bases for the bargain price of 10k. Rumsfeld supposedly made about 11million off that.
  • OliveStreet, on 07/23/2008, -3/+20FoxNews = United States' State-run television. See former Soviet Union for more on state-run television
    • apraxia, on 07/23/2008, -6/+3OliveStreet = Absurd Generalization Expert. See "over-arching claims" for more about how to speak in generalities.
      • BlacklabelSAR, on 07/23/2008, -0/+4http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Denial
        "Denial (also called abnegation) is a defense mechanism postulated by Sigmund Freud, in which a person is faced with a fact that is too uncomfortable to accept and rejects it instead, insisting that it is not true despite what may be overwhelming evidence. [1] The subject may deny the reality of the unpleasant fact altogether (simple denial), admit the fact but deny its seriousness (minimisation) or admit both the fact and seriousness but deny responsibility (transference). The concept of denial is particularly important to the study of addiction. The theory of denial was first researched seriously by Anna Freud. She classified denial as a mechanism of the immature mind, because it conflicts with the ability to learn from and cope with reality."
    • rz8472, on 07/23/2008, -2/+9Actually I have watched CCTV (Chinese State Run Television) extensively and I can say unequivocally that it is better than FOX.

      First off, it covers international news, while FOX seems preoccupied with junk celebrity news and is very Americocentric. Secondly, CCTV will simply ignore stories that will paint the Communist government in a bad light. FOX News will attack the person who broke the story and his/her immediate family.

      That's not to say that CCTV isn't propaganda, but even it isn't as heavy-handed as FOX.
    • jmpeagle, on 07/23/2008, -0/+2it's run by an australian
    • JamesBrown, on 07/23/2008, -5/+1Stop with the Fox bashing, please.

      I'm no conservative, nor do I agree with the views expressed on Fox News, but stop thinking Fox or any other commercial media outlet exists purely out of altruism or civic duty. It doesn't even exist to inform the public. It exists to sell advertising! The only purpose of having shows is to get you to watch ads. It's the exact opposite of State Run television.

      Fox is the most watched cable news network, so they're obviously doing something right. You can criticize their programming if you want, but realize that if people didn't watch their programming, then it wouldn't be on.
      • amoirae, on 07/23/2008, -1/+8Who do you think you're kidding?

        While you offer no proof to support your claim of the popularity of Fox News, popularity doesn't mean it's an accurate or credible news source.

        Regarding your request: DENIED.
      • phoenixshard, on 07/23/2008, -0/+2Fox is the most watched news channel. Hannity and Combes, Oreilley, Gretta Van Susteran all get high numbers for viewers. Generally for the same reason that Howard Stern does. The ones that like them watch for a while, the ones that don't like them watch even longer. Strange how that works out with people.
      • rearlgrant, on 07/24/2008, -0/+0http://tvdecoder.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/06/28/fox- ...
    • atact88, on 07/23/2008, -0/+1Quit your bitchin. Everyone knows FOX is a politically oriented network. If you don't like it, ignore it. You don't see people wasting time devoted to writing books and ranting against the editors of High Times for being potheads, do you?
  • sinurgy, on 07/23/2008, -13/+4*yawn* dailykos, thinkprogress, huffingtonpost spam, just your typical day of fools gaming digg. Buried.
    • rexblade, on 07/23/2008, -0/+6Yeah Americans against the war is just gaming. What a douche bag.
    • Endemoniada, on 07/23/2008, -0/+1*yawn* sinurgy, just your typical digg fool who buries stories based purely on domain name. How about you read the article and form your own opinion, instead of just ignoring everything and anything you suspect will be even remotely against your narrow world view?
  • MrTito, on 07/23/2008, -2/+9I love how he says "can you roll with me for a second?" As if to say "Look, my facts are ***** but lets imagine..." And that's just it. There it is, laid bare. "Imagine this reality I'm describing, so you don't see that we're really full of *****."
  • MedicDave29, on 07/23/2008, -1/+7I'm there right now, and the violence is nothing at all compared to when I was in Iraq in 03 and 04. It's much safer now and most of the bad guys have given up or left. It blows my mind how the news differs from what we see here.
    • Nintendesert, on 07/23/2008, -1/+5Don't bother. What's really happening out here goes against their world view and bias. They won't accept the truth of how things are in Iraq.
      • Intercon, on 07/23/2008, -3/+2By focusing on the current situation in Iraq, and whether or not the surge "worked," is to deny the fundamental treasonous nature of this administration's actions in prosecuting this ***** mess. How much money has to be siphoned away from the American people for you to realize that the lofty retoric about Democracy that launched this invasion is nothing but platitudes carefully designed to cover up the largest depletion of the U.S. Treasury in history?

        I'm glad the violence is down, for the sake of our troops as much as for the sake of the people of the region. But these stupid arguments dilute the discussion.

        The campaign to launch and prosecute this "war," was treasonous, and this administration and the war profiteers that support it must be held accountable.
    • Blg7, on 07/23/2008, -3/+1It's great to know you are not experiencing as much trouble as at the peak of the war and I hope it stays that way for everyone's sake.

      Al Qaeda has always been opportunist. Why would they stay and fight losing battles with a massive occupying force when they can drive across Iran and live in peace in Pakistan, raiding across the border into Afghanistan at their whim? Most of the "bad" Iraqis (al-Sadr etc) have realized by now that if they just hang back and wait we will overspend ourselves into defeat and they can just take over when we eventually leave. I wouldn't call that success. This is what happens when you fight a war of choice without real, achievable goals.
  • rationalbeats, on 07/23/2008, -2/+14What an insult to the THOUSANDS of families who have lost their sons, daughters, brothers, sisters, uncles, nieces, best friends to a real attack in a war zone.

    Wow.
  • lechechocolate, on 07/23/2008, -1/+2MMMMMmmmm. News about news. Tasty.
  • Black6x, on 07/23/2008, -1/+6Convoy attacks in America? Like drive-by's and stuff. I guess America has just as many insurgents as Iraq, if you call groups like the Bloods and Crips insurgents.

    Also, when he says "down to 1%", 1% of what? When the war first started and it was tooth and nail fighting? I mean, 1% of that is still a lot.
  • RUGERSP101, on 07/23/2008, -9/+1Since 9-11 illegal aliens have killed more Americans in the United States then insurgents have in Iraq. Ship'em all out, who cares if strawberries cost a dollar or two more without their cheap peasant labor.
    • NeonDistraction, on 07/23/2008, -0/+4You know, I was just about ready to pull all sorts of statistics from government websites to point out that the vast majority of crimes in this country since 9-11 where in fact committed by American citizens. But then I realized it would be a much better use of my time to simply tell you to shove that non-statistic right back up your ass where it came from.
      • thecatcantalk, on 07/23/2008, -3/+1And your statistics don't exist either. Which is why you bluffed being able to cite a source that you can't name.

        I, for one, was carjacked by a couple of illegal aliens, right here in Albuquerque, NM.

        I'd bet $10 you live at least 1,000 miles away from the Mexican border, and nowhere near an agricultural district. That's why you're so stoked about having the Mexican Mafia do to California what the Sicilian mob once did to Chicago.
      • RUGERSP101, on 07/23/2008, -3/+0NeonDistraction "I was going to use statistics but I realized that they don't support my position blah hlah blah blah (insert personal insult)".
      • NeonDistraction, on 07/23/2008, -0/+3RUGERSP101

        I've yet to see any of your statistics. My point was that if you can pull statistics out of your ass, so could I. You may be right, but until I see some numbers from a legitimate source, I stand by my claim that you pulled that stat out of your ass.

        And I fail to see how that is a personal insult. Maybe if I had called your ass fat? But I didn't.
      • rearlgrant, on 07/24/2008, -0/+2Study finds immigrants commit less California crime (Reuters)
        http://digg.com/political_opinion/Study_finds_immi ...

        Popular myths about immigrants are false (Social Science Research Council)
        http://digg.com/political_opinion/The_Myth_of_Immi ...
    • bodhi1963, on 07/23/2008, -0/+3You have a tenuous grasp of reality to be sure....AND you're an idiot to boot. Where did you get that information? Did you just pull it out of thin air or from Lou Dobbs?
      • RUGERSP101, on 07/23/2008, -2/+0It takes 30 seconds on google to verify that I am right, but you are so confident in the world view you hold you won't even bother to check. Yet you claim I have a tenuous grasp on reality. Illegal immigrants kill more Americans then Iraqi insurgents. Not liking this fact does not negate its veracity.
      • Endemoniada, on 07/23/2008, -0/+3RUGERSP101:
        So why not just save us those 30 seconds and post your evidence? If you claim something to be the truth, it's your responsibility to present the proof, not ours.
  • theeEqualizer, on 07/23/2008, -0/+1KILMEADE: Okay, fine. Can you roll with me for second?

    Judge: You mean "spin" with you for a second?

    KILMEADE: Yeah, fine, whatever you call it...
  • drape, on 07/23/2008, -0/+5Lying to the public, Fox news should be downgraded to Comedy series or else face a fine for sub-standard products.
  • algaeturd, on 07/23/2008, -0/+6Fox News is a paid infomercial for this administration. They ask what they're told to ask, they report what they're told to report and they react exactly how they're paid to react.
    The reporters are soulless, the writers have no ethics whatsoever and the only people who watch it are uneducated, zombied stooges.
    • any1particular, on 07/27/2008, -0/+1I completely agree! It is a scary thing to think about. I mean that there are sooooo many retarded Republicans that watch the political rhetoric and believe it to be fair and balanced. Help us all!
  • thecatcantalk, on 07/23/2008, -0/+5If only it were true.

    Imagine Congressional motorcades dodging mortar fire on the streets of Washington, D.C.
    • PhilLesh69, on 07/23/2008, -0/+3I've seen the military style motorcades around DC.

      They aren't just congressional. They aren't just presidential or executive. Just about every agency head, from Homeland Security to Interior, or Veteran's Administration, they all have these well armed motorcades. It is a badge of honor and a status symbol. I even went to J Gilberts down the street from my home on night a year and a half ago, and there were 5 chevy blazers, 3 gold badged uniformed secret service police cars, 2 metropolitan police department squad cars (DC cops, in Mclean VA), and a limousine. When I got into the restaurant, I asked the bartender what was going on, and it was Alberto Gonzales. He was having dinner with some friends.

      It's a status symbol to have a motorcade around DC.

      Plus, they also shut down streets for a half an hour before the motorcades even get moving. I've watched from the front of my building at 15th St and H St NW as all traffic gets stopped, backing up hundreds or thousands of cars, so someone nobody has ever heard of can get his little parade of power through the streets of Washington DC.
      • thecatcantalk, on 07/23/2008, -1/+2Christ wept. We've turned into the kind of country people bail out of.

        Now, Summer Tour '89, THAT ***** was a motorcade...XD
        Were you at Alpine that year, btw?
      • PhilLesh69, on 07/24/2008, -0/+1in 89 I only went to DC, but I went both nights.
  • spookybill, on 07/23/2008, -1/+5Republican = Retard
    • PhilLesh69, on 07/23/2008, -1/+4neocon = retard.

      Please, man, I'm a republican. Or, at least, I was a republican. Now I believe that the neocons have taken over the republican party, and I'm not sure who has taken over the democratic party.

      Neither parties represent the people, at least.
  • grneye53, on 07/23/2008, -1/+3DON'T YOU PEOPLE GET IT THEY'RE KEEPING IT" FAIR & BALANCE" AND KEEPING IT REAL !
  • HotSaucePanCake, on 07/23/2008, -5/+1you guys are of your rocker. Think about the homicide rates in the US I guarantee it is safer in Iraq than in some parts of the US I hear about more people being shot here daily than I do in Iraq
    • RockMuncher, on 07/23/2008, -0/+2Just because you hear about violent crimes/homicides a great deal in the news does not mean they're common. Just an example, a young white teenager from the suburbs disappears and you can't turn on the TV without stumbling across a news mention. A young urban black girl? Unless she's related to a celebrity no news organization would bother. It's called selective reporting..

      Homicides in America are a rare occurrence that's worthy of being reported on. When enough people are killed as a daily occurrence, such as in Iraq, you only really report the worst of the deaths.

      Compared to my country, the USA's homicide rate is insane, but there is no possible way you could equate it to an open war zone.
  • vrich187, on 07/23/2008, -0/+4Maybe Brian Kilmeade should hop on a plane and head to Iraq. Since its so safe I'm positive he wouldn't need any body amour or weapons. Last time I went to the store in America, I didn't need Kevlar but It was probably just my lucky day.
  • chase001, on 07/23/2008, -0/+4Fox & Friends is a great font of wisdom. Forget the Dalai Lama, Norm Chomsky or Richard Dawkins and give me the brilliant minds on Fixed News any morning.
  • xptweakerntn, on 07/23/2008, -0/+1They're
    They are
    Their
    Their dog
  • Intercon, on 07/23/2008, -0/+4
    When did intelligence and informed political thought disappear in America?
    • BlacklabelSAR, on 07/23/2008, -0/+2When people became complacent. When "Public Education" stopped educating people.
  • markgl, on 07/23/2008, -1/+1i think he's trying to say that the attacks are down and the situation is improving. whats the problem here.
    • BlacklabelSAR, on 07/23/2008, -0/+3The problem is: Disinformation. See also Lying.

      Reporting news is supposed to be about the FACTS. Why does this have to be pointed out to you?
  • sajison, on 07/23/2008, -0/+1hahaha, this made me think of yesterdays comments on how mccains op-ed piece was all about media bias

    rofl
  • taketheleap, on 07/23/2008, -0/+2i'll take "***** you Fox" for $200, Alex.
  • Bloodboiler, on 07/23/2008, -0/+1Hotel Baghdad: Perfect for suicidal thrill seekers: If IED's and stray bullets don't kill you, electrical works by American contractors will.
  • Antaries, on 07/23/2008, -0/+4Is anybody really surprised at anything that comes from fox?
  • IIAmusedII, on 07/24/2008, -0/+1'Cause we've got a great big convoy - Rockin' through the night
    Yeah, we've got a great big convoy - Ain't she a beautiful sight
    C'mon and join our convoy - Nothin' gonna get in our way
    We gonna roll this truckin' convoy - Cross the USA
    Convoy!

    Their convoy got attacked in the movie, didn't it??? See?
  • LoneRanger85, on 07/25/2008, -1/+1There were eight Americans shot in the District of Columbia last weekend -- one of them, a 13-year-old boy who was shot in the back. Maybe we should develop a timetable for withdrawal from liberal cities.
  • any1particular, on 07/27/2008, -0/+1Fox News Bias

    "I challenge anybody to show me an example of bias in Fox News Channel."--Rupert Murdoch (Salon, 3/1/01)


    Years ago, Republican party chair Rich Bond explained that conservatives' frequent denunciations of "liberal bias" in the media were part of "a strategy" (Washington Post, 8/20/92). Comparing journalists to referees in a sports match, Bond explained: "If you watch any great coach, what they try to do is 'work the refs.' Maybe the ref will cut you a little slack next time."

    But when Fox News Channel, Rupert Murdoch's 24-hour cable network, debuted in 1996, a curious thing happened: Instead of denouncing it, conservative politicians and activists lavished praise on the network. "If it hadn't been for Fox, I don't know what I'd have done for the news," Trent Lott gushed after the Florida election recount (Washington Post, 2/5/01). George W. Bush extolled Fox News Channel anchor Tony Snow--a former speechwriter for Bush's father--and his "impressive transition to journalism" in a specially taped April 2001 tribute to Snow's Sunday-morning show on its five-year anniversary (Washington Post, 5/7/01). The right-wing Heritage Foundation had to warn its staffers not to watch so much Fox News on their computers, because it was causing the think tank's system to crash.

    When it comes to Fox News Channel, conservatives don't feel the need to "work the ref." The ref is already on their side. Since its 1996 launch, Fox has become a central hub of the conservative movement's well-oiled media machine. Together with the GOP organization and its satellite think tanks and advocacy groups, this network of fiercely partisan outlets--such as the Washington Times, the Wall Street Journal editorial page and conservative talk-radio shows like Rush Limbaugh's--forms a highly effective right-wing echo chamber where GOP-friendly news stories can be promoted, repeated and amplified. Fox knows how to play this game better than anyone.
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