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- ate50eggs, on 10/12/2007, -34/+141To be fair, Fox News is a parody.
- goeatsmsht, on 10/14/2007, -19/+94The best part is the reporter says "This sounds as if it was from The Onion"!!!!!!
- christopheles, on 10/12/2007, -23/+92The worst part is that dude is telling the truth when he says "We're not making this up." Someone else made it up.
FOX "News". We report (anything as news). You decide (whether or not we're reprehensible). - thomas, on 10/12/2007, -25/+72I have always found that show to be a joke but that is hilarious. Although the fact that so many fox news viewers believed them and tried to go after the real school is just plain scary.
- JCSaint, on 10/14/2007, -22/+66Yet another example of a failure of independent reporting and fact checking. "Someone said it so it must be true!"
- Junkyarddawg, on 10/12/2007, -19/+62Guess Who also swallowed this hook, line, and sinker?
That's right.
http://littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/?entry=25186_The_Ham_Steak_of_Hate&only
http://digg.com/2008_us_elections/Ham_The_New_Hate_Crime
http://proteinwisdom.com/index.php?/weblog/entry/22914/ - cweathers, on 10/12/2007, -28/+61I don't know what's unravelling faster, the administration or its private news outlet.
- greysun, on 10/12/2007, -13/+44I'm marking this story as inaccurate...
The site (www.associatedcontent.com) is NOT a parody site...ThinkProgress obviously didn't do their fact checking either.
Although the story was in the HUMOR section, you can see in the google cache that there was NO INDICATION THAT THE STORY WAS NOT TRUE!
http://209.85.165.104/search?q=cache:HYgJY1lHWgoJ:www.associatedcontent.com/article/224065/student_leaves_ham_sandwich_on_lunch.html+site:www.associatedcontent.com+ham+sandwich&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1&gl=us
I do, however, still fault the reporters for not fact checking
and yes, I posted this below... but I figure I'm gonna get dugg down anyway for telling the truth so I might as well go down in multiple flames. - shawnfassett, on 10/12/2007, -14/+39Seriously, where is the FCC? Oh yeah...they're busy taking apart PBS.
- MSF2, on 10/12/2007, -2/+22STOP YELLING
- SilenceIsFoo, on 10/12/2007, -3/+22No, that was MSNBC.
http://www.wired.com/culture/lifestyle/news/2004/04/63048?currentPage=all - thenativeraver, on 10/12/2007, -19/+37LGF?
No wai!
They think everything through and do research before they do anything!!!
[/sarcasm] - gtluke, on 10/12/2007, -4/+21what about the 200+ digg members who "dug" this article thinking it was real?
come forward and admit it.
http://digg.com/2008_us_elections/Ham_The_New_Hate_Crime - aschocobo, on 10/12/2007, -9/+26i bet the folks who did the original parody piece is laughing their asses off right now...
- SecondGuesser, on 10/12/2007, -7/+23As opposed to CBS and Dan Rather, who reported that a completely phony memo about the president's National Guard service was in fact authentic. Was that a "new low" worthy of Diggers' universal scorn?
At least the Onion story was broadcast out of stupidity, not out of conspiracy to swing an election.
The bias of this place kills me. - SeafoodGumbo, on 10/12/2007, -0/+16This story is true. I guess ThinkProgress assumed it was wrong because Fox got some of the particulars wrong, but the story really did happen.
http://www.sunjournal.com/story/208385-3/LewistonAuburn/Hate_incident_in_city/
I'm suprised that so many diggers have a hard time believing it when you consider a recent "pig incident" in the Netherlands where 9 and 10 year olds trashed a classroom just because of talk of farms and pigs:
---AMSTERDAM, 27/04/07 - A school in Amsterdam has halted lessons on rural life because the Islamic children refused to talk about pigs. Reporting this, Alderman Lodewijk Asscher said he wants to take "tough measures." Subsidies for all kinds of dubious groups must stop and parents of unruly children penalised financially.
Asscher told newspaper De Volkskrant: "A primary school in Amsterdam-Noord has decided no longer to teach about living on a farm. Various pupils began to demolish the classroom when the pig came up for discussion. Apparently it has gone that far. These children, 9, 10 years old, have not been given even the most elementary rules at home about why they must go to school."----
http://www.nisnews.nl/public/270407_1.htm - leszek, on 10/12/2007, -15/+30Look at the comments, it is funny how they are so happy to be able to say bad things about mulisms.
Or is it sad ? - SixJ, on 10/12/2007, -2/+16The ham story is true. Fox News got some of the details wrong. It doesn't invalidate the entire account.
You need to pull harder on the wool. There are still too many eyes left uncovered. - geekee, on 10/12/2007, -4/+17Fox is still a lot more reliable news source than Digg.
- ArcherB, on 10/12/2007, -1/+13My guess would be the truth is unraveling faster than either. Let me explain:
This "fake news story" is either true, or has faked out many other news outlets and sites. Here are a few:
http://www.jbs.org/node/3620
http://www.libertypost.org/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=185105
http://www.sunjournal.com/story/209231-3/LewistonAuburn/Ham_report_stirs_mess/
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20070424052024AAYuVpj
and even one in Boston:
http://www.boston.com/news/local/maine/articles/2007/04/19/police_investigate_ham_incident_at_school/?rss_id=Boston.com+--+Maine+news
So either all these sites are right-wing spin machines like you all say Fox News is, or none of them are. If they all are, you all need to hammer these sites as well. If they are not, then you need to lay off Fox News.
Also, may I recommend reading up on BrownShirts on Wikipedia, especially the Maxim part. Let me quote it for you:
""All opposition must be stamped into the ground""
Is that not what you guys are trying to do to Fox? - Lizardoid, on 10/12/2007, -4/+16you idiots. the story about the ham incident is true, and you're such morons you can't even distinguish between a parody and a factual story. lgf was accurate on this.
pathetic. - ArcherB, on 10/12/2007, -1/+13I'm sure I'll get "Dug down" for stating the truth that no one wants to hear, but my research shows that either the story is true or Fox is not the only site to report this. Are all these sites right-wing propaganda outfits?
http://www.jbs.org/node/3620
http://www.libertypost.org/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=185105
http://www.sunjournal.com/story/209231-3/LewistonAuburn/Ham_report_stirs_mess/
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20070424052024AAYuVpj
and even one in Boston:
http://www.boston.com/news/local/maine/articles/2007/04/19/police_investigate_ham_incident_at_school/?rss_id=Boston.com+--+Maine+news
Of course, these are just a few examples. Are all these sites wrong?
Here's a quote from one yet another source found here http://newsbyus.com/more.php?id=8028_0_1_0_M:
Although a parody of ostensible “joke-quotes” was composed and written about the Lewiston, Maine ham incident, the actual story is more compelling - because it’s true. Unfortunately, many news sources and commentators - I was not one of these - quoted the parody as fact. The actual facts surrounding the incident include: On 11 April, responding to a dare, a Lewiston Middle School student placed ham on a cafeteria table where Muslim Somali students were eating. Muslims consider pork to be unclean. The “offending student” was suspended from the school. Also accurate is that a report was filed by the school’s resource officer Bill Brochu and, according to the Sun Journal, “was sent to the Attorney General’s Office for review and to the Androscoggin County District Attorney’s Office for review for possible harassment charges.” School Principal Maureen Lachapelle advised the report was filed and forwarded on “because the ham incident was perceived as a hate/bias crime.”
Many are now attempting to use the parody as “proof” that the incident did not occur. But, it did.
_________________________________________________________________________________
So, this is true, and I'm speaking the truth. Are you guys so cynical as dig down the truth and dig false information? - andrew1193, on 10/12/2007, -4/+14The story itself is real, and none of those websites you mention are using the satirical quotes from Associated Content.
- Americaninfidel, on 10/12/2007, -1/+11Anyone of you remember Dan Rathers lies? How about the New York Times lie about al qaa qaa right before the 04 election? Or how about the New York Times lie when they "interviewed" the guy in that infamous photo at abu ghraib, the guy with the fake wires? Only it turned out it wasn't him. Or how about the lie the New York Times told about the "Katrina survivor?" Later found out to be a fraud and she was arrested. Funny how I don't see you ripping the Times.
- appleann1, on 10/12/2007, -4/+13I'll tell you why it made front page FLERNK, because LGF readers don't spend their time burying the stories that come from "think progress and media matters" no matter how hateful, ignorant, and wrong they are. Take a lesson from us, GROW UP.
- pintomp3, on 10/12/2007, -8/+17or crying. the islamophobes couldn't wait to start placing angry calls and emails to the school system. reminds me of that radio host who said we should make muslims wear arm bands with stars and cresents. he was dismayed at the outpouring of support for the idea.
- craka, on 10/12/2007, -0/+9newsflash; Media Matters is the real propaganda machine.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -3/+12@junkyarddawg:
backing up what andrew said, there's nothing wrong with buying those reports "hook, line, and sinker" since they actually cover a real event (and don't refer to the fictitious quotations in the associated content article). - deesine, on 10/12/2007, -1/+10Something must be a crime before it is a hate-crime. Where's the crime, please explain?
- brstilson, on 10/12/2007, -10/+19Just got there. Looks like we beat the bury brigade. What's the matter guys? Don't like it when your precious propaganda machine shoves its foot up its ass/
"we haven't been duped I looked it up uhhhh on a couple websites."
I was expecting him to say "yeah.......that's the ticket." - Americaninfidel, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8I sure wouldn't expect anything more from abc,cbs,nbc,cnn,pbs,msnbc
- lcarsdeveloper, on 10/12/2007, -6/+14I'm in Australia, we've got a lot of African immigrants who live here now. The young males like to dress up in the same clothes as American rappers and street gangs, they stand out like a sore thumb. If you observe them long enough, and watch how they all smile and say hello to each other when they get on the bus with people from their own country, then you'd know that they're nice hard working people who feel privileged to be in this country. They just like to dress up like the guys they see on TV. But you also see the elderly population give them funny looks thinking "they dress like a New York street gang, so they must be criminals". Even I had that thought pop into my head briefly, right before one of them stood to the side of the door and let me get on the bus first, even though he was in front of me in the line! Very nice people, they should be respected no matter where they go in the world because of where they have come from and what they have been through. I'm not sure where they're from exactly, if it's Somalia or Kenya, but one of them is my local bus driver and he does a better job than most Australians in the same position!
- McJeff, on 10/12/2007, -2/+10The best thing that could happen to this country is to get the Northeast out of it.
- crazywater, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8It was a real story, Associated Content writer took real quotes and added his own words to them...
This is from the Sun Journal;
'Hate incident' in city
By Bonnie Washuk , Staff Writer
Thursday, April 19, 2007
LEWISTON - One student has been suspended and more disciplinary action could follow a possible hate crime at Lewiston Middle School, Superintendent Leon Levesque said Wednesday.
On April 11, a white student placed a ham steak in a bag on a lunch table where Somali students were eating. Muslims consider pork unclean and offensive.
The act reminded students of a man who threw a pig's head into a Lewiston mosque last summer.
The school incident is being treated seriously as "a hate incident," Levesque said. Lewiston police are investigating, and the Center for the Prevention of Hate Violence is working with the school to create a response plan.
"We've got some work to do to turn this around and bring the school community back together again," Levesque said.
Placing ham where Muslim students were eating was "an awful thing," said Stephen Wessler, executive director of the Center for Prevention of Hate Violence. "It's extraordinarily hurtful and degrading" to Muslims, whose religion prohibits them from being around ham. It's important to respond swiftly, Wessler said.
"Incidents like this that involve degrading language or conduct are often said by the perpetrator as a joke. I know that conduct is never static," he said. "It's part of a process of escalation."
If people think insulting Muslims with ham is OK, "More degrading acts will follow, until at some point we'll end up having violence," Wessler said.
The incident does not reflect the moral values of the school staff and students, Levesque said. "We need to take a look at this and review how a careless act is degrading and causes hurt to other people. All our students should feel welcome and safe in our schools."
He said a letter would be sent home to parents explaining what happened and outlining the school's response. Wessler will meet with students to address the school's climate, and staff will talk about how to respond to and prevent future hate incidents
'I didn't feel safe'
A 14-year-old Somali boy, whose mother asked that his name not be published, said he was eating lunch with four other Somali students on April 11. He noticed many others in the cafeteria "standing up, looking at us."
One boy came near, began laughing and threw a bag on the table while other students laughed and said, 'Good job.'"
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"We didn't know what was in this bag," the boy said. "One of my friends reached inside it. It was a big ham steak. There were five of us at the table, all Somali. It was intended for us."
The boy said he looked up at students he thought were his friends. "I felt angered, offended."
He suddenly felt like he was alone. "At the school the next day, I didn't feel safe. I felt like everybody was against me. Before I felt like I fit in, and everything was normal."
He began to think white students didn't like him, and the act was their way of letting him know.
On Thursday, several students came up to him and said, "Those guys who did it were jerks. I apologize for them, and I hope you feel better."
The boy said they did make him feel better. "But for the rest of my life when I remember middle school, this will pop up right away."
He spoke out because he wants the community to know what happened, "that there is something like this going on in our schools."
Wessler and Levesque said the act happened the day before April vacation began, which prevented educators from gathering information.
"This is not done," Wessler said. - ironpirate, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8Yes, lets bring all the troops home and all the equipment. Then in another 5 years, have to go back to Iraq/Iran for another conflict. This is genius!
- kaiser44, on 10/12/2007, -8/+16have we all forgotten about Dan Rather?
- scruzman, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8I love the smell of moonbats in the morning. Lib Panties in a bunch about a true story being posted in the wrong category. Get a Life you people. Does make my day though, thank you.
- tituspullo71, on 10/12/2007, -10/+17i think it's great people are so scared of fox.
- geekee, on 10/12/2007, -2/+9To illustrate my point:
Digg Front page story (over 1000 diggs)
http://digg.com/offbeat_news/Japanese_Women_Conned_Into_Buying_Sheep_They_Thought_Were_Poodles
Snopes claims it's a fake
http://www.snopes.com/critters/lurkers/poodlesheep.asp - CenturionTX, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7Greysun said : I'm marking this story as inaccurate...
The site (www.associatedcontent.com) is NOT a parody site...ThinkProgress obviously didn't do their fact checking either.
Although the story was in the HUMOR section, you can see in the google cache that there was NO INDICATION THAT THE STORY WAS NOT TRUE!
http://209.85.165.104/search?q=cache:HYgJY1lHWgoJ:www.associatedcontent.com/article/224065/student_leaves_ham_sandwich_on_lunch.html+site:www.associatedcontent.com+ham+sandwich&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1&gl=us
I do, however, still fault the reporters for not fact checking.
POSTERS ON DIGG NEED TO CHECK THEIR FACTS HERE, MOST OF YOU CHECKED-IN YOUR PANTY-WAIST BRAINS.
and yes, I posted this below... but I figure I'm gonna get dugg down anyway for telling the truth so I might as well go down in multiple flames. - slashdotted, on 10/12/2007, -10/+17On a whim, I decided to see if other news outlets thought this was news because it was on Fox.
guess what!!:
http://www.jbs.org/node/3620
Now other news stenographers who don't fact-check are picking it up!!
other non-journalist's in sheep's clothing can pick up the story as, "Fox News reports..."
This is not journalism (which involves fact-checking) -- not just finding a right-side pundit and a left-side pundit, but asking scientists/experts, pounding the pavement, and being intellectually honest. There aren't two sides of facts.
this is just how PR and talking points -- regardless of ideology.
This is how lies spread. In this case they just happened to be easily refuted -- which often isn't the case (say if the article was published in the Washington Times, for instance) - TheFederalist, on 10/12/2007, -6/+13Every news organization makes occasional mistakes. yet, Fox is the only one that gets talked about on Digg.
Perhaps if this story were something important like fake documents about our president's military history or something, then I'd worry about it. For now, you people are just "digging" for something. - cshkuru, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8The Associated Content article was based on a real incident.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/eat-the-press/2007/04/25/behold-the-power-of-ham-s_e_46824.html
http://www.sunjournal.com/story/208385-3/LewistonAuburn/Hate_incident_in_city/
http://www.boston.com/news/local/maine/articles/2007/04/19/police_investigate_ham_incident_at_school/
additionally Brian Kilmeade identified the quotes as suspicious and said "I thought this was from the Onion" and "I hope we're not being duped" so at least one person wasn't a total idiot.
just a little context. - illycoffee, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7There are over 1600 digg nation doofuses here who seem to think the only news outlet that makes mistakes is Fox News. Do you even watch the news or read newspapers?
- pintomp3, on 10/12/2007, -11/+17steward and colbert are on comedy central. they don't pretend to be actual news.
- appleann1, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6Not as much as you guys are.
- hoserjoe, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5Wow! It's nice to know where the atheists hang out. My other favorite atheist hangout is where Wikipedia lists the greatest atheist accomplishments; atheists do awesome work in certain selected fields:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Serial_Killers
Atheists are so devoted to their work that it makes great inspiration to read the details of their research! - klpowell, on 10/12/2007, -4/+9Funny this is the same thing Media Matters does everyday. Just ask Glenn Beck how many times his satire has been taken out of context by that site.
- craka, on 10/12/2007, -2/+7I'm pretty sure I saw a article on this site about a satirical parody that Rush Limbaugh did used to smear him and all conservatives as racist and it got dugg up by a lot of diggers.
Hypocritical, sure but then that's common amongst Liberals. - DaChew, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6Imagine what would happen if a news organization had released doctored photos as real. MAN! You know the Digg folks would be terribly upset about that - both left and right. Digg members just do not stand for dishonesty like that. I imagine that story would be front page on Digg for weeks.
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