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- SmokedL, on 10/12/2007, -6/+57@Lord_oftheTrons
"Hey the people that made 'Loose Change' made things up and everybody didn't get their panties in a bunch. Whats the big deal? If you base your views and"
Loose Change was made by an angry conspiracy theorist teenager on a tiny budget and is not backed by any supposedly serious media outlet.
Road to 9/11has cost 30,000,000 dollars to make, claims to be based on the 9/11 commission report, will be shown on ABC with no commercials, and then offered as a free download on iTunes.
Are you getting the picture here? It's called Big Media spending Big Money spreading the Big Lie. - doffill, on 10/12/2007, -18/+64ONCE AGAIN, WE ARE BEING LIED TO BY THE BIG CORPORATIONS WHO VALUE PROFITS ABOVE HONESTY, DECENCY AND INTEGRITY.
Why am I surprised? - bemenaker, on 10/12/2007, -3/+38General Wesley Clark who works for ABC now, is even p1ss3d at this. He came out yesterday talking about gross inaccuracies in this show.
WAKE THE FUHQ UP ABC - DavidYeah, on 10/12/2007, -4/+37This could be ABC's Rathergate.
- cogitosun, on 10/12/2007, -8/+41Big difference between "filling in the gaps" and "making ***** up". The writer of this mockudrama is a prominent conservative activist. The events he invents never happened - in particular, the scene with the Clinton white house refusing permission to 'take out' Osama in Afghanistan is completely made up - it's not even based on real events.
Michael Moore at least get's his subjects to admit, on camera, what they'd never normally let us hear. Plus, you can only see his documentaries in the theater - not broadcast commercial free on TV.
This show isn't 'entertainment' - it's propaganda. - hawkeye17, on 10/12/2007, -6/+36Only Geobbels would be proud of ABC at this moment.
- jebusloveme, on 10/12/2007, -11/+41ABC is now FOX2
- fredrated, on 10/12/2007, -5/+33@ BigBaRay
Does being an idiot come naturally to you or do you have to work at it? - Marku$, on 10/12/2007, -7/+33*****. Don't do it if you can't be accurate. They are stating that it is based on the finding of the 9/11 commision's report, which is a lie.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -4/+29You can just stop using their products. If enough people get out of the cattle-chutes and actually make decisions for themselves, the people who own the news will go out of business. Opening room in the marketplace for actual news to enter.
- Chewy, on 10/12/2007, -2/+25They are making libelous statements against people that are still alive. I hope they get their asses sued off
- appidydafoo, on 10/12/2007, -4/+24Which is funny, because if you follow the money and the parent companies you will see that Disney pressured Miramax along distribution lines for Farenheit 9/11 which grossed $200M+. They are willing to tank $30M+ on this disinformation project which will air without commercials and be promoted to school children.
Follow the money like lemmings off a cliff of fictionalized history. Jesus ***** wept.
http://www.tinyrevolution.com/mt/archives/001078.html - niemczkj, on 10/12/2007, -5/+24This whole 'docu-drama' is a sham that makes me glad I don't watch television. They would never air a michael moore movie on primetime television, why is this any different? I seriously hope ABC pulls this nonsense or they're going to lose a lot of respect.
- SimonKay, on 10/12/2007, -4/+22"Uhm...children, it's a drama, not a documentary. In order to fit 10 years into 3 hours, you're going to have to make up some situations in order to stay within the alloted time. "
Egoist - There is a big difference between condensing historical events for time and completely "making ***** up" to scare people before an election!
It doesn't matter what your politics are. Do you want (or need) someone to make up history so you can feel better? - TimDigg, on 10/12/2007, -3/+21I agree but we still have a population of largely computer illiterate people, who are stuck watching tv and reading newspapers....
...sadly we still have a society that LIKES bias in their news...my grandfather wouldn't know what to do without news that had a right-wing spin on it...
Those of us getting our news on various websites throughout the day find ourselves in a situation where we are completely lost ....because we know how deep the rabbit hole goes... - Ceeman, on 10/12/2007, -3/+18We dont have time to film the Civil War. I know lets just say it was a baseball game between the North and the South. !
- GeneralFault, on 10/12/2007, -2/+16@bemenaker
Google define:Liberal
FIRST definition:
broad: showing or characterized by broad-mindedness; "a broad political stance"; "generous and broad sympathies"; "a liberal newspaper"; "tolerant of his opponent's opinions".
Jesus was a liberal.
Not that I really care, I'm an athiest. - Giever, on 10/12/2007, -1/+15Soylent* Green
- dargon, on 10/12/2007, -4/+18Since the letter from clintons lawyers hasn't been posted here yet;
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September 1, 2006
Dear Bob,
As you know, ABC intends to air a two part miniseries, “The Path to 9/11,” which purports to document the events leading up to the terrorist attacks of September 11, 2001. ABC claims that the show is based on the 9/11 Commission Report and, as Steve McPherson, President of ABC Entertainment, has said: “When you take on the responsibility of telling the story behind such an important event, it is absolutely critical that you get it right.”
By ABC’s own standard, ABC has gotten it terribly wrong. The content of this drama is factually and incontrovertibly inaccurate and ABC has a duty to fully correct all errors or pull the drama entirely. It is unconscionable to mislead the American public about one of the most horrendous tragedies our country has ever known.
Despite several requests to view the miniseries, we have not been given the courtesy of seeing it. This is particularly troubling given the reputation of Cyrus Nowrasteh, the drama’s writer/producer. Mr. Nowrasteh has been criticized for inaccurately portraying historical events in the past. In response to previous criticism, he has even said, “I made a conscious effort not to contact any members of the Administration because I didn’t want them to stymie my efforts.” Indeed, while we have not been given the courtesy of a viewing, based upon reports from people who have seen the drama you plan to air, we understand that there are at least three significant factual errors:
-- The drama leads viewers to believe that National Security Advisor Sandy Berger told the CIA that he would not authorize them to take a shot at bin Laden. This is complete fiction and the event portrayed never happened. First of all, the 9/11 Commission Report makes clear that CIA Director George Tenet had been directed by President Clinton and Mr. Berger to get bin Laden (p. 199 & 508-509). Secondly, Roger Cressy, National Security Council senior director for counterterrorism from 1999-2001, has said, on more than one occasion, “Mr. Clinton approved every request made of him by the CIA and the U.S. military involving using force against bin Laden and al-Qaeda.”
In addition, ABC’s own counter-terrorism consultant, Richard Clarke, has said that contrary to the movie:
1) No US military or CIA personnel were on the ground in Afghanistan and saw bin Laden;
2) The head of the Northern Alliance, Masood, was nowhere near the alleged bin Laden camp and did not see bin Laden; and
3) CIA Director Tenet said that he could not recommend a strike on the camp because the information was single-sourced and there would be no way to know if bin Laden was in the target area by the time a cruise missile hit it.
As Clarke and others will corroborate, President Clinton did in fact approve of a standing plan to use Afghans who worked for the CIA to capture bin Laden. The CIA’s Afghan operatives were never able to carry out the operation and the CIA recommended against inserting Agency personnel to do it. The Department of Defense, when asked by President Clinton to examine the use of US troops to capture bin Laden, also recommended against that option.
-- The drama claims that former Secretary of State Madeleine Albright refused to sanction a missile strike against bin Laden without first alerting the Pakistanis and notified them over the objections of the military. Again, this is false.
-- Using newsreel footage of President Clinton, the drama insinuates that President Clinton was too pre-occupied with the impeachment and the Lewinsky matter to be engaged in pursuing bin Laden. This allegation is absurd and was directly refuted by ABC News consultant Richard Clarke in his book, Against All Enemies: “Clinton made clear that we were to give him our best national security advice without regard to his personal problems. ‘Do you recommend that we strike on the 20th? Fine. Do not give me political advice or personal advice about the timing. That’s my problem. Let me worry about that.’ If we thought this was the best time to hit the Afghan camps, he would order it and take the heat.”
While these are three examples that we are aware of that are utterly baseless, they are clearly indicative of other errors in the substance and bent of the film. Indeed, the overall tone in the advertisements we’ve seen for this drama suggest that President Clinton was inattentive to the threat of terrorism or insufficiently intent upon eliminating the threat from bin Laden. Note that the 9/11 Commission Report says:
-- We believe that both President Clinton and President Bush were genuinely concerned about the danger posed by al Qaeda.” (p. 349)
-- “By May 1998 … clearly, President Clinton’s concern about terrorism had steadily risen.” (p. 102)
-- “President Clinton was deeply concerned about bin Laden. He and his national security advisor, Samuel ‘Sandy’ Berger, ensured they had a special daily pipeline of reports feeding them the latest updates on bin Laden’s reported location.” (p. 175)
-- “President Clinton spoke of terrorism in numerous public statements. In his August 5, 1996, remarks at George Washington University, he called terrorism ‘the enemy of our generation.’” (p. 500)
We challenge anyone to read the 9/11 Commission Report and find any basis for the false allegations noted above or the tenor of the drama, which suggests that the Clinton Administration was inattentive to the threat of a terrorist strike.
Frankly, the bias of the ABC drama is not surprising given the background and political leanings of its writer/producer, Mr. Nowrasteh, which have been well-documented on numerous conservative blogs and talk shows in his promotion of this film. Mr. Nowrasteh’s bias can be seen in an interview he gave to David Horowitz’s conservative magazine Frontpage, during which he said:
"The 9/11 report details the Clinton’s administration’s response – or lack of response – to Al Qaeda and how this emboldened Bin Laden to keep attacking American interests. The worst example is the response to the October, 2000 attack of the U.S.S. Cole in Yemen where 17 American sailors were killed. There simply was no response. Nothing."
But as Sandy Berger told the 9/11 Commission: “[T]o go to war, a president needs to be able to say that his senior intelligence and law enforcement officers have concluded who is responsible.” And as the 9/11 Commission report repeatedly acknowledges, the US did not have clear evidence of bin Laden’s connection to the attack on the USS Cole before the end of the Clinton Administration (p. 192, 193, 195 & executive summary).
While ABC is promoting “The Path to 9/11” as a dramatization of historical fact, in truth it is a fictitious rewriting of history that will be misinterpreted by millions of Americans. Given your stated obligation to “get it right,” we urge you to do so by not airing this drama until the egregious factual errors are corrected, an endeavor we could easily assist you with given the opportunity to view the film.
Sincerely,
Bruce R. Lindsey
Chief Executive Officer
William J. Clinton Foundation
Douglas J. Band
Counselor to President Clinton
Office of William Jefferson Clinton
Cc: Ms. Madeleine K. Albright
Mr. Samuel R. Berger
Mr. Richard A. Clarke
Mr. Stephen McPherson
Mr. George J. Mitchell
Mr. John D. Podesta
Mr. David Westin
National Commission on Terrorist Attacks upon the United States - bemenaker, on 10/12/2007, -5/+18Cuz you can't be liberal and be a free thinker? Uhm, liberals by nature tend to be much more free thinkers than conservatives. The more conservative a person gets the more close minded they tend to be.
Yes this is a gross generality, but it does generally hold true. - jellygraph, on 10/12/2007, -2/+14Hey guys, lets completely ignore the content and instead attack the site. It'll keep them distracted and I won't have to deal with the difficult questions, like defending our increasingly evident corrupt and criminal administration.
- fantasticFlan, on 10/12/2007, -3/+15You mean Clinton didn't order the Green Berets to escort Osama everywhere he went to ensure his safety? He actually tried to bomb him out of existence amid chants of "wag the dog" and "no war for Monica"? Well *****, this changes everything.
- adampesa, on 10/12/2007, -1/+13I don't remember too many conservatives saying that we should wait and see "The Reagans" mini series on CBS before we judge. Based on precedent, if this drama is less accurate than "The Reagans" it should be pulled from broadcast TV.
- gronne, on 10/12/2007, -5/+15I always take someone seriously who calls everyone who disagrees with him a "retard". Don't you guys?
- thebusdriver, on 10/12/2007, -2/+11Itll almost never happen. People are too dumb now, take too much at face value. I dont think we can turn this around without something drastic happening.
- halleyscomet, on 10/12/2007, -0/+9This is different for three simple reasons:
It's being sent to schools as a documentary about 9/11.
Last I heard, Moore's film was NOT being sent to 1,000 schools to be added to the history curriculum.
Aside from that, ABC's piece of inaccurate trash is, through television, getting a far wider distribution than Moore's flick.
Finally, this flick is billing itself as being based on the 9/11 commission report, which it clearly is not. This gives it a claim of accuracy that Moore never even made. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -5/+14It's a consultant interview from MSNBC.
Don't shoot the messenger. - nrvous250gt, on 10/12/2007, -5/+13Soilent Green is made out of people! It's peeeeeople!!!
- Comatoast, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7>Follow the money like lemmings off a cliff of fictionalized history. Jesus ***** wept.<
What's funny about this statement is that lemmings don't really commit suicide by walking off cliffs. They have wild fluctuations in population occasionally, but the idea that they fall off cliffs comes from...this is the ironic part...a WALT DISNEY documentary! Walt had his crew import lemmings to the Canadian location of the shooting and lead the poor lemmings off the cliff for the movie drama!
Off topic I know...but any dig at Disney is a good digg. - bemenaker, on 10/12/2007, -3/+10There is no left leaing MSM. It's hard to even argue CNN is anymore.
- jellygraph, on 10/12/2007, -2/+8Wow...
Propaganda = "In order to fit 10 years into 3 hours, you're going to have to make up some situations in order to stay within the alloted time." = Drama
I told you guys... theres no reasoning with these people, like Egoist. They believe so strongly in an ideology, that they say just about any, even if it doesn't make sense. - xenuxenuts, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6@Giever
maybe Soilent Green is the generic walmart brand. - liquilife, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5Yup, pretty sad isin't it?
- bemenaker, on 10/12/2007, -3/+8I love that Jesus comment, I too am an atheist, and I use that all the time. I would love to put it on a billboard in the south.
- circusbred, on 10/12/2007, -2/+7DuggMirror: http://www.duggmirror.com/political_opinion/FBI_Agent_Consulted_On_Path_to_9_11_Quit_B_c_They_Were_Making_Things_Up/
- starvo, on 10/12/2007, -5/+9Actually, a number of years ago, I do believe one of the big Three networks showed "Roger & Me" by Mr. Moore. But I could be wrong. A large network showing a series/movie/etc does not validate the content of it. We expect people to realize that, and draw their own opinion.
Of course, how often does that happen? - jdrift, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5Alex, and other gifted prgrammers @ Digg, you have to do something about the political-based tagging of "innacurate" to stories which clearly have evidence on their side!
- rrusson, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5If they do air this partisan fiction, I'll be removing ABC from the lineup on my televisions, just like Fox News. Why would anyone want their kids seeing dangerous lies presented as history? I e-mailed CEO Robert Iger using the http://thinkprogress.org/tellabc to tell him so. Hope he listens --I know Nielsen families!
- Mudb0y, on 10/12/2007, -4/+8No, ABC is owned by Disney, which is right leaning...
- BufordT, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6I don't remember any conservatives (especially members of the Reagan Administration) calling for CBS to pull "The Reagans" miniseries as the Clinton Administration is with the 9/11 film.
- lilzaphod, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5I'm pretty (read almost ultra) liberal, and I was disgusted when I heard that clip.
It's a bunch of ***** pre-spin crap.
This is one of the reasons I refuse to watch anything that tries to be "serious" about 9/11 that is not an investigation or a trial. We're still way to close to the situation, and there are too many "gotcha points" to be won. My take is to wait for at least one more administrations, and probably 2, plus wait until the real historians start digging into the timelines and "facts". - apetrie, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4Anti-corporation anti-bush religion??
It couldn't possibly be that Bush and his administration have given people reason to hate them or disagree with their policies, it must just be that they are a bunch of brainwashed fanatics right?
The absolute ridiculous things that people will say in order to discredit or mock people who feel differently from them when it comes to American politics disgusts me. You should be ashamed of yourself, and so should anyone who uses these kinds of tactics to try and quiet the voice of the opposition, on either side. - nrvous250gt, on 10/12/2007, -11/+14Michael Moore does not make documentaries. National Geographic makes documentaries.
- Shorties, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Haha I am so glad you mentioned that Comatost, people believe that as fact now because of that docu, I can only fear what is in this one that generations from now will believe is true.
- GeneralFault, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3@BigBaRay
Actually if you follow my suggestion and Google define:Liberal you will notice that there is not a mention of liberal spending in the results. There is a huge list of references to free thinking. As a matter of point, currently Conservatives are in control of the branches of government that control spending. As such, we have the largest deficit and debt in history. I realize that the war has cost $400+ billion, but that is only a small fraction of the debt that we currently hold. If going by recent economic history, I would have to associate conservative with free spender. I would not go so far to associate a conservative with a closed mind as I know a couple of intelligent open minded conservatives. Oddly enough though, those conservatives (members of my family) by their own admission pay absolutely no attention to the news or politics. They however have decided that they are conservatives based on their views of the taxation and spending policies of the "liberal" democratic party. Since they are very much socially liberal (on stem cell research, separation of church and state, gay marriage rights, etc...) It is my belief that if they did pay attention, they would soon be forced to call themselves liberals. My point is, back in the days that these family members defined their political tendencies, the republicans were the fiscally conservative party but today that does not seem to be the case.
"He asks 'Haven't we already given money to rich people? This second tax cuts gonna do it again. He says, ‘Didn’t we already, why are we doing it again?’ Now, his advisers, they say, ‘Well Mr. President, the upper class, they're the entrepreneurs. That's the standard response.’ And the president kind of goes, ‘OK.’ That's their response. And then, he comes back to it again. ‘Well, shouldn't we be giving money to the middle, won't people be able to say, ‘You did it once, and then you did it twice, and what was it good for?’"
Bush as reported by Suskind
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/01/09/60minutes/main592330.shtml - iceperson, on 10/12/2007, -3/+5"Big difference between "filling in the gaps" and "making ***** up"
http://www.usatoday.com/life/people/2004-08-02-moore-apology_x.htm - appidydafoo, on 10/12/2007, -10/+12What's that? Act like a braindead subservient prole? You certainly nailed it!
- bluehensam, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2"ONCE AGAIN, WE ARE BEING LIED TO BY THE BIG CORPORATIONS WHO VALUE PROFITS ABOVE HONESTY, DECENCY AND INTEGRITY."
Why does this type of ***** get dugg way up? Exactly which part of that sentence is useful, original, or intelligent? Was it the capital letters? Do caps help you get dugg up?
So is there something in the act of incorporating that makes these companies evil and dishonest? Or maybe once they reach a certain size they qualify as "BIG CORPORATIONS" and automatically become evil. Or is it when they list on one of the stock exchanges? Maybe that's when they make their pact with the devil. - TubaTechno, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1"As a matter of point, currently Conservatives are in control of the branches of government that control spending."
They were in control during Clinton as well....how did spending look then? - right75, on 10/12/2007, -4/+5@doffill:
How do you know, have you seen the movie? -
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