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- fantanel, on 08/19/2008, -10/+170John McCain in his book, Faith of our Fathers:
"It's an awful thing, solitary. It crushes your spirit and weakens your resistance more effectively than any other form of mistreatment.... There is little doubt that solitary confinement causes some mental deterioration in even the most resilient of personalities.... Through flashed hand signals when we were moved about, tap codes on the wall, notes hidden in washroom drains, and holding out enamel drinking cups up to the wall with our shirts wrapped around them and speaking through them, we were able to communicate with one another."
But according to the Bush Administration, John McCain was never in solitary confinement. It's not solitary if “detainees can communicate through the walls.”
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/26/washington/26git ... - 2bmachine, on 08/19/2008, -8/+137I can picture McCain's neurons misfiring when someone points this out to him.
- arsenic123, on 08/19/2008, -8/+117Well, by Mr. Bush's (and Senator McCain's) own words and actions - No torture!
- JekJob, on 08/19/2008, -3/+99Very clever, and absolutely true. It is beyond me how someone who was tortured could turn around and not condemn its use on other people.
Either McCain is a liar and wasn't tortured, or he's a slimebag and a hypocrite. Either way, HE IS UNFIT TO LEAD THIS COUNTRY. - mrchumchum, on 08/19/2008, -4/+86What kind of a slime would support an administration and practices that caused his own worst nightmare? I can't believe that I ever respected this guy. Let's not forget that he voted AGAINST a ban on waterboarding. McCain. is. slime.
http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/02/ ... - USArugula, on 08/19/2008, -10/+91McCain simply took a Southeast Asian holiday. He even admitted: "I almost died and the Vietnamese people saved my life."
- vivamarchia, on 08/19/2008, -6/+85Quite a sensation when the worm turns, and the tortured, so-called, become torture enablers. By his own actions, McCain has negated the basis for the nation's respect for him. Well caught!
- LisaLockwood, on 08/19/2008, -10/+69I believe this is called "hoist in his own petard". I can't think of anyone more suitable than McSame to be pegged as the biggest enabler of war crimes. How he can sleep at night is a mystery.
- buckrogers1965, on 08/19/2008, -3/+55Torture is always 100% wrong no matter who does it.
Anyone we capture should be treated with respect and taken care of, no matter how bad they are.
Why?
Because we are better than they are.
If we torture them, then we are no better than they are. - madhaus, on 08/19/2008, -5/+55Oooh, I am going to LOVE to hear both Bush and McCain explain their way out of this one. Torturing enemy combatants=good, torturing John McCain=bad. They're not REALLY going to use the IOKIYAR* argument in public, are they? (*It's OK If You're A Republican)
- airwalke, on 08/19/2008, -2/+49Duh, it's only torture if it happens to *us*!
- inactive, on 08/19/2008, -3/+47Nice thing I never really thought about. I always did find it funny how he claims to have witnessed the atrocities of war but is such a warmonger himself. What causes a person to forget themselves like that?
- pintomp3, on 08/19/2008, -6/+49Does McCain believe McCain was tortured? according to his vote against banning the use of torture, no.
- fantanel, on 08/19/2008, -4/+40He takes Ambien to sleep at night, which renders him too groggy for the proverbial 3am phone call. But it gives his conscience a rest.
- mk2cav, on 08/19/2008, -7/+42To all the American Diggers out there, come November you have a chance to change the world, please vote Obama for president.
- publiclurker, on 08/19/2008, -2/+35I believe the people of Arizona voted for him.
- opusaz, on 08/20/2008, -0/+31His head shifts back an inch or two, his mouth moves into a frozen grin, he stares straight ahead, and begins blinking uncontrollably. McCain is one of the most hysterical looking liars I know.
- camipco, on 08/20/2008, -1/+31Of course, the unspoken difference is that McCain is white, while the people we aren't torturing are brown. Different standards apply.
- blogosphear, on 08/19/2008, -1/+31Yeah he did, how else would he be able to justify cheating on his wife??
O_O - madhaus, on 08/19/2008, -2/+31Afraid it is not beyond me, the abused child often grows up to abuse others. McSame shows he's got no insight into himself and no compassion for anyone else, and is therefore UNFIT TO LEAD.
- theschloss, on 08/19/2008, -0/+28Some analysis suggests that he views the world through the lens of revenge. That might explain some of the bellicosity.
Or... maybe he's just crazy. - VicHislop, on 08/20/2008, -0/+27Oh, Andrew Sullivan. Where was this sort of thinking before when you were supporting the run-up to the invasion of Iraq?
- JekJob, on 08/19/2008, -0/+27John Kerry did not undergo torture and then come home and advocate it. He came back from Vietnam and opposed wars instead of becoming friends with people who start them. He has numerous military honors, and they don't give those out for nothing.
Getting shot down doesn't make you a war hero. And John McCain's military record is not public, so who the ***** knows what he did. - doublsh0t, on 08/19/2008, -3/+29yeah McCain's ghost writer, Mark Salter, sure described that experience well.
- JekJob, on 08/19/2008, -4/+30You're daft if you think the only torture that goes on is "pictures of naked people." What about waterboarding? It simulates drowning. And one of your naked pictures shows electrodes attached to a man's hands. But nooooo, your president can do no wrong.
Torture includes mental suffering. - VicHislop, on 08/19/2008, -2/+26I just picture him getting increasingly red-faced as a steam whistle announces the explosion of molten anger which pours from his head. (If it helps, sort of like the Elmer Fudd character when that rotten rabbit uses his fingers to plug Elmer's shotgun.)
- Mejari, on 08/20/2008, -0/+24That's exactly the point made in this article: after all that happened to him he supports not only an administration that does those same things, but he himself has voted for those same things that he suffered so much. How does that make sense? how does that show a man committed to making things better than they were for him?
- Iztikeit, on 08/19/2008, -1/+24The blinding allure of power. Money and power do all of the talking in America, and this fact is very evident right down to single households. We probably have several million fascists living in America. You probably have a few next door.
- jellygraph, on 08/19/2008, -5/+27as far as bush is concerned, its only torture if its happening to one of his republican buddies... for everyone else, its advanced interrogation techniques
- JoeVet, on 08/20/2008, -1/+23He had broken bones from being blasted out of the sky. And as we saw with Bush and McCain himself, torture depends on the definition and who is doing it. McCain was not tortured by our current standards of conduct.
- TrikkyMakk, on 08/19/2008, -3/+24People act like they don't know the government is full of douchebags. This doesn't suprise me.
- publiclurker, on 08/19/2008, -2/+22I don't see any good reason listed in your attempt to excuse McCain's vote. Why don't you tell us what it is?
- JoeVet, on 08/20/2008, -0/+20All the POW's were given the opportunity to leave early, it was not offered as special treatment for McCain. All they had to do was to agree to sign statements against the United States. McCain and the other POW's refused. While he still deserves credit for staying, it is disloyal to the rest of the American POW's to suggest that some how McCain was more honorable when in fact they all were.
- JekJob, on 08/19/2008, -0/+20Way to disprove your point.
- inactive, on 08/19/2008, -15/+35McCain crashed a plane, was injured, then got special treatment because of who his daddy was.
- beansy, on 08/19/2008, -3/+23Dugg for eloquence
- publiclurker, on 08/19/2008, -4/+23It's not funny at all, but rather pathetic watching the war mongers try to justify their lack of morals by ignoring the truth behind the torture committed by their country.
- floridiot2, on 08/19/2008, -1/+19What a valid argument!
- masamunecyrus, on 08/20/2008, -0/+18How low we have sunk as a country if we're using the same techniques on Iraqis that the Vietnamese used on us.
- Mejari, on 08/19/2008, -0/+17Not to put down McCain's war record, only to put it in perspective, many many P.O.W.s were offered release in exchange for denouncing the war and saying that the US were the aggressors and that they had been treated well (i.e. lying). It wasn't just McCain that turned down those offers.
- Mejari, on 08/20/2008, -0/+17How does "McCain was tortured, but the administration he supports and the votes he casts support torture" count as a joke? It's the exact opposite of a joke. It's sad, disgusting and immoral.
- VicHislop, on 08/19/2008, -1/+16Haha. People like you are still around?
Uh, they "teach" soldiers that they're superior so that they have no problem following orders without question. I mean, just earlier today, I needed something from a customer service person from my cell phone company. I made sure to ask a simple question first and then build them up with heaps of unwarranted praise, so that later they would do what I wanted without feeling it that was too much work or perhaps even against their (company's) interests. That's exactly the same for the military, though they have guns instead of the ability to offer a better text messaging promotion. Purely manipulation. - fantanel, on 08/20/2008, -2/+17McCain's fellow Naval Academy classmate and POW Phillip Butler:
"John allows the media to make him out to be THE hero POW, which he knows is absolutely not true, to further his political goals."
Why I Will Not Vote for John McCain: http://www.military.com/opinion/0,15202,164859_1,0 ... - pintomp3, on 08/19/2008, -2/+17did you even read your own link?
The Act generally prohibits "cruel, inhuman, or degrading treatment or punishment" of detainees by any person, but only military interrogators are restrained to the specific guidelines of the Army's Field Manual on interrogation -- the Central Intelligence Agency was not. In an effort to close this loophole, Congress passed legislation to similarly constrain the CIA to the Field Manual's techniques. [5] McCain voted against this bill and recommended that President Bush follow through on his threat to veto it, arguing that the CIA already could not engage in torture but should have more options than afforded military interrogators. [6] The bill did not pass with sufficient votes to override an executive veto.
mccain created loopholes so that the torture could be carried out by the CIA and fought an effort to close those loopholes. - tastypaste, on 08/20/2008, -0/+14Torture has profound and lasting psychological effects on people. In all probability he lost his ability to judge things rationally while in captivity. He is know for his explosive anger and bouts of rage. Many who have worked with him describe him as highly unstable and he can snap at the drop of a hat.
- keishax, on 08/20/2008, -0/+14Add it to his list of 553,234 flip flops.
- cheribom, on 08/20/2008, -0/+14No one ever thinks themselves on the side of evil.
What side do you think history will put us on? - publiclurker, on 08/20/2008, -0/+14According to the current administration's definition, he was not subject to torture or solitary confinement. also, I believe his broken bones were due to not ejecting from the plane properly. Apparently, the previous wrecked planes were not enough practice.
- publiclurker, on 08/20/2008, -0/+14I''m sure you have, but you probably just conveniently forgot them.
- eliot2000, on 08/20/2008, -1/+15Yeah!
Stuff like this should be classified under political opinion!
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