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littlegreenfootballs.com — On the page at the following link, click the buttons at top left so that only the “buries” (the red thumbs down symbol) are shown,...

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mcfairy, on 10/12/2007, -13/+38How dare they come in here and have different ideas! BURY THEM! Call it spam! Whatever!
/leftie diggers
- littlebylittle, on 10/12/2007, -5/+13DALT I Treaty Proposal -- Digg "Arms" Limitation Treaty
  http://www.digg.com/political_opinion/DALT_I_Treaty_Proposal_Digg_Arms_Limitation_Treaty
  "OK Political Diggers. It looks like we're going to have to solve this one on our own. I hereby propose DALT I, the "Digg 'Arms' Limitation Treaty." If we want the debate to continue, we must unilaterally remove our fingers from "the [bury] button." Sign below."
- miketrin, on 10/12/2007, -3/+4http://digg.com/search?s=littlegreenfootballs&submit=Search§ion=news&search-buried=1&type=url&area=all&age=7&sort=new
- littlebylittle, on 10/12/2007, -5/+6miketrin,
  
  I know. Stupid.
  
  How can we tear each other apart, I mean debate, if we can't even see each other?
  
  /serious
- sparks2, on 10/12/2007, -15/+8I have a better title for this story:
  
  Educated Digg users doing the world a favor by taking your stupid crap off the front page.
  
  Buried.
- 4wheel, on 10/12/2007, -6/+13Educated? Reading and listening to only one side of an issue is education? I know, don't blame the kids. Blame the schools. It has to be SOMEONE elses fault.
- sparks2, on 10/12/2007, -9/+12"Educated? Reading and listening to only one side of an issue is education?"
  
  No, reading about all sides of the story and realizing one (aka your weird paranoid view on life) is utter ***** is education.
  
  Digg me down all you want and digg this story up all you want, the general digg community is fortunately more logical than you trolls and the story will be off the front page in no time if it ever reaches there.
JonCarry, on 10/12/2007, -9/+29Don't lefty lunatic diggbats have jobs?
- jdun, on 10/12/2007, -6/+14No they are on welfare. You must have missed the memo that was sent out.
- leereyno, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2That's what their trust funds are for.
  
  Between their morning post-modern social justice studies class, hitting starbucks for some low-fat latte, and genuflecting with other whiny losers at the altar of hatred for America, they do find time to try and shout down those whose views they are religiously intolerant of.
MohammedAlDura, on 10/12/2007, -7/+26So, couldn't we position ourselves at the digg upcoming section and mark every post from thinkprogress.org or dailykos as blogspam?
- mcfairy, on 10/12/2007, -5/+21We could... but we have lives...
  
  :D
- shibboleth, on 10/12/2007, -4/+7that, and comment raping, are pretty silly; but i do see your point.
- BigBaRay, on 10/12/2007, -5/+8You have to concede the point to the moonbats when it comes to trolling and burying. Most of us righties have jobs and lives that require or attention. Whereas we reap the reward of having income and families. (I know it is somewhat blemished by the fact that we have to support all of our lefties socialist agenda.) And our newly educated free thinkers sit at Starbuck's or the campus library and press the bury button over and over while they console each other by telling each other how intellectual they are. I bet if they actually had to pay for their DSL and pay the taxes their moonwings could become a little less apparent.
- leereyno, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2We could of course, but that would be wrong. Integrity demands that we keep our hand clean and fight the good fight, not the dirty one. While you can fight fire with fire, you can't fight ignorance, blind hatred and malignant narcissism with more of the same. When the lefties bury our submissions they are only hurting themselves. We live with the light of truth while they stumble around blindly in the cursed darkness. The time and effort the spend trying to shut out the light only makes them that much less effective. The more angry, bitter and nihilistic the left becomes, and the more they dishonor themselves, the more non-aligned citizens understand how evil they are. We on the other hand who do not try to hijack the debate by silencing our opponents, will be seen in a favorable light. Sunlight is the best disinfectant. The best way to handle the left is to keep telling the truth, and do so consistently and emphatically while conducting ourselves in an honorable fashion.
marinist, on 10/12/2007, -26/+8Groupthink at Digg? I'm so glad that does not exist at LGF.
- froggy000, on 10/12/2007, -7/+27The difference is that there is no active suppression of information. LGF includes The Daily KOS in the news feeds for example.
- mcfairy, on 10/12/2007, -9/+20Yeah, people always claim that- but getting lizards to agree is like herding cats. So your sarcasm is duly noted- but ignored.
- marinist, on 10/12/2007, -25/+4And I might add--those who assume "groupthink" prevails at Digg should first look at themselves.
  There is no coordinated effort to ban LGF posts, but many people have gotten sick of the obviously biased posts pushed to the front page. This borders on hate speech, and if you can't see that, perhaps you have no business on Digg?
- scurrilous1, on 10/12/2007, -18/+4LOL
  
  Enforced groupthink. With Chuckles Johnson wielding the whip. No appeals process. No avenue for reinstatement. Anger the headmistress and you're gone. And then he calls you names and posts your IP addy.
  
  Looks like the non-groupthink is burying your reply.
- shibboleth, on 10/12/2007, -6/+21take note of the LGF community: they are humanists, catholics, jews, atheists, unaffiliated, republicans, independents, and they straddle all economic classes. whatsa matta for you? i thought you liked diversity...
  
  charles is the webguy, not a high priest.
- Verchiel77, on 10/12/2007, -18/+4diggbats, brownshirts...the way the lgf-ers are buying into Chuck's little Digg persecution party is hilarious.
  
  "Check it out. Click here, watch diggspy. Look at what they're doing."
  
  Anything to support the "lone voice in the godless librul wilderness" delusions of the 82nd Chairborne's bathrobed lizard brigade.
hopeis4ever, on 10/12/2007, -7/+28Not surprising at all.

It's those who profess allowing free speech that one must watch, for when they say those words what they're meaning is free speech for their speakers.
solflare, on 10/12/2007, -7/+24This sort of behavior, when brought to light, only makes them look bad.
- mcfairy, on 10/12/2007, -7/+14Yeah, but it will never be brought to light it they keep 'BURYING' it. That's kinda the point.
nuyorican, on 10/12/2007, -8/+23Who cares? To hell with the “Diggbats”, the left - their intolerance for opinions that don’t coincide with their own - their phony self-righteousness – their hysterical cries of “freedom & justice” which in reality amounts to a hill of rancid beans considering the monsters they want to afford those rights to – their ersatz compassion – and everything else they purport to hold near and dear to their icy hearts.

Their hatred has rotted them to the very core of their souls, and for that, I genuinely pity them.
- scrad, on 10/12/2007, -5/+16People need to be woken up. Digg is one of their gateways to information.
  
  Why? Because Digg is like Google News and other sources of 'information' that the masses are attracted to to get their 'news'. There are many many articles that talk about how Digg drives traffic to other websites, much like Slashdot does.
  
  Up until now, Digg has been dominated by Liberals much like the MSM has. As a result, the 'innocent' users of Digg, like the 'innocent' viewers of MSM News have only really seen what has been deemed 'proper' for their delicate, Politically correct, viewing eyes.
  
  This attitude towards whitewashing the news of all the 'bad' things that might insult some other 'culture' or religion will kill us. It has already killed 3,000 of us on 9/11 and they will be back for more. It's a requirement of their 'religion' and their leaders have created a whole generation of brainwashed, prejudiced angry people who WILL do their bidding.
  
  Allowing the control of information to be held by those would would only seek to help those who want to kill us is not only wrong, it's obscene and suicidal.
  
  Fox News is part of the MSM attempt to take back some control from the immature moonbats, and WE are the part who are injecting some balance into the Internet portals who are gateways to information for the masses.
  
  This is a battle for 'hearts and minds'. The moonbats are terrified because they have had a monopoly in this area for a long time. This IMHO is BY FAR one of the most important issues happening right now. Whomever controls information controls the people. 1984 all over again.
  
  People need to be woken up. Digg is one of their gateways to information.
JetPilot1101, on 10/12/2007, -6/+24Free speech is only free when you let everyone voice their opinions. These Moon "Brownshirt" Bats are getting on my nerves.
Diggyernamehere, on 10/12/2007, -7/+25Poor lefties...too young to participate in book burnings.
RadicalRon, on 10/12/2007, -6/+17Digganistan, sub-state of Koslamistan.

Can't wait for the civil war to break out over who hates the Jooooos more.

And who Aisha sides with.
fleetmouse, on 10/12/2007, -19/+4I like how the members of a gated, walled community like LGF that excoriates any member who dares to voice dissent are now bitching and moaning that an open, democratic community like Digg has given them the thumbs down.

Keep rationalizing, fellas. That cognitive dissonance is going to be a hell of a headache when it finally hits. You might as well take another drink of the kool aid and try to stave it off as long as possible.
- shibboleth, on 10/12/2007, -4/+11just an anecdote, but i've locked horns a few times w/ a few fellow lizards.
  
  fwiw, i didn't mod you down (not that you care, just sayin'...)
- THX1212, on 10/12/2007, -2/+15I voice dissent all the time. I, for one, didn't support the initial invasion of Iraq. That doesn't mean I'm particularly "excoriated" by other lizardoids. I also believe global warming is a real phenomenon, for example. I'm not banned from the site for believing that. However, if your outlook on things is essentially "I hate America," "anyone who isn't a crazed Chomskyite leftist is a racist imperialist fascist hater," "9/11 was a neo-con conspiracy," "Islam is a religion of peace, irrespective of all the evidence to the contrary," or "***** the troops" then you probably won't find welcoming home in LGF.
- mcfairy, on 10/12/2007, -3/+12>>LGF that excoriates any member who dares to voice dissent
  
  *cough*******cough*
  
  Gordon was around for years before -he took himself- OFF of LGF~ Charles doesn't ban for different opinions, it's when they turn into total rude assholes that the stick comes out.
- shibboleth, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6Gordon was smited by the tackhammer of truth, ja?
bluto36, on 10/12/2007, -5/+12they cant help themselves, it is how they have been trained
Verchiel77, on 10/12/2007, -15/+4Trained is right.

"Check it out. Click here, watch diggspy. Look at what they're doing."

Anything to support the "lone voice in the godless librul wilderness" delusions of the 82nd Chairborne's bathrobed lizard brigade.
- mcfairy, on 10/12/2007, -2/+10Get caught hitting bury for meanness and not content?
  LOL
- Verchiel77, on 10/12/2007, -13/+6No, just noticed post after post updated with its digg status. Up and down, all you see is, "Update: this post now buried by leftist diggers," ad nauseum.
  
  But by all means, revel in your manufactured victim status, you poor, poor persecuted dears. The deck is stacked against you. Retreat behind the borders of your carefully guarded registration barriers and buck up each other's confidence to fight the good fight. Discuss "ay-rabs" and "ragheads;" it usually seems to lift your collective spirit.
mcfairy, on 10/12/2007, -5/+13>>And I might add--those who assume "groupthink" prevails at Digg should first look at themselves.
>>There is no coordinated effort to ban LGF posts, but many people have gotten sick of the obviously
>>biased posts pushed to the front page. This borders on hate speech, and if you can't see that, perhaps
>> you have no business on Digg?

I didn't know Digg had an ideology scale (approved links and all that jazz) ... could you point me to it, please?

Thanks in advance...
AngieNear, on 10/12/2007, -3/+16"This borders on hate speech, and if you can't see that, perhaps you have no business on Digg?"

I guess those that are not as "enlightened" as you need to be muzzled. So "free" speech is in actuality speech which passes the filter of the self-selected smarties.

Sounds remarkably like a certain totalitarian ideology of the 20th century.
- bluto36, on 10/12/2007, -4/+11
  "Sounds remarkably like a certain totalitarian ideology of the 20th century."
  
  it is so hard to be a lefty and not be a hypocrite these days. but at the "church of Che" the great Ghia is OK with "do as i say not as i do"
  
  /"the end justifies the means" is also just fine
- marinist, on 10/12/2007, -10/+4"I guess those that are not as "enlightened" as you need to be muzzled. "
  
  Oh yeah--that must be the intention of every "diggbat", "liberal", "islamist" etc. who takes issue at the content that comes from the LGF crowd. "We" just want to shut you up because we cannot handle the "truth" in these cherry-picked news coverage. Still, I'm glad that LGF is a small player--because most people know better than to believe this *****. As a moderate, I'm annoyed that anyone disagreeing with your is some liberal, groupthinking conspiracist. What a load of BS.
fleetmouse, on 10/12/2007, -11/+4THX1212: "However, if your outlook on things is essentially "I hate America," "anyone who isn't a crazed Chomskyite leftist is a racist imperialist fascist hater," "9/11 was a neo-con conspiracy," "Islam is a religion of peace, irrespective of all the evidence to the contrary," or "***** the troops" then you probably won't find welcoming home in LGF."

That is precisely the kind of caricature of a non-ultra-right political position that inflames tempers and gives LGF a bad reputation. LGF tends to take the loons and misrepresent them as the mainstream of the non-right. And don't tell me this isn't the case because I've been reading LGF daily for years.

Listen, 58% of America supports Murtha. Does that mean they're jihadi sympathizers, traitors, and tattooed protestors with "***** the troops" placards? I don't think so.

(FWIW the fact that you'd characterize anyone's even POTENTIAL position as "***** the troops" is disturbing and tells me you have a nasty disjunction with reality)
- dle5, on 10/12/2007, -4/+9"Listen, 58% of America supports Murtha. Does that mean they're jihadi sympathizers, traitors, and tattooed protestors with "***** the troops" placards?"
  
  Yes.
- SgtSlappy, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5fleetmouse,
  
  I think you mean 58% of Americans _who answer polls_, support murtha.
  
  A better poll would be "What percentage of Marines want to grind murtha's shriveled traitorous head under their dirty combat boots and ***** in the hole where his heart should be."
  
  Now THAT poll, I'd like to see the results of...
- THX1212, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4"That is precisely the kind of caricature of a non-ultra-right political position that inflames tempers and gives LGF a bad reputation."
  
  OMG! Since when is it an ultra-right position to say I disagree with "***** the troops" or that I don't think everyone who isn't a Chomsky-worshipper or a Marxist is automatically a racist or a fascist or that 9/11 was committed by Muslim extremists, not by a controlled demolition planned by Jews?
  
  Come back to earth, fleetmouse! These are fairly mainstream positions in the United States.
LilianD, on 10/12/2007, -4/+18Have a look at this (near the end: http://digg.com/world_news/Think_muslims_and_thier_allah_aren_t_a_big_threat_to_the_US_Think_Again
The anti-LGF poster Danial addresses me as a male, then condescendingly calls me 'darling' and mistakes paedophilia for homosexuality. Not exactly a nice liberal attitude!

And I get accused of being some kind of LGF shill (I haven't managed to even join LGF yet), and not really being a left-wing feminist, just because I focus mainly on news items that demonstrate that islamism is a threat to humanity. So how does digg work, we're not allowed to digg items that interest us?

Let me tell everyone something: I used to be very involved in pro-choice, anti-pornography etc feminist groups many years ago. Then I got tired and also realised that here in NZ we'd achieved most of what we needed to re women's rights. So I focused on my career and on environmental issues.

Then one day, our NZ media accused anyone who printed a few Danish cartoons of somehow *causing* worldwide violence. And I began to read up on islamism, and realised that the freedoms I and my friends have worked for are under threat: by people who want to force the whole world under a theocratic regime called a caliphate. And the people currently most affected by islamist violence are *muslims*, those who want to leave, but can't because they would be 'apostates'. Those who want to lead peaceful, moderate lives, but are pushed towards extremism by islamists. Those who happen to be women and have no freedom and no escape under theocratic governments.

But many other feminists and left-wing people are still blind to this threat, because they think all cultures are equally good, and all religions equally bad. And that is why this is the issue I mainly focus on in digg. I just want to wake people up. Don't worry, I'll digg other items of interest too.

BTW, the sexism of some Digg posters is really fascinating. Digg needs more women to be involved, but why would we want to when there are stupid 'jokes' about women over 40 covering up (see the iran clothing crackdown item). Keep it up, funny guys, Digg will become a lovely fully representative site. I could joke that men over 40 should cover up, but actually NZ is full of fit healthy good-looking PEOPLE in their 40s, 50s, 60s, 70s, 80s....
- bluto36, on 10/12/2007, -4/+12sorry you are much to rational to be a true Digger. welcome to my block list
  
  /just kidding hope to see you at LGF soon
- novaculus, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4Bravo Lilian!
AngieNear, on 10/12/2007, -4/+10"Listen, 58% of America supports Murtha."

Do you have support for this citation? Assuming by "support" you mean agree with his self-admitted "slow-bleed" strategy to end the war.

Americans may "agree" with Murtha on many things. For all I know, he may love the game of baseball too.

Doesn't mean it would be an agreement on salient points of debate.
- fleetmouse, on 10/12/2007, -13/+3::shrug:: I read it in the news. Aren't you kind of missing the point?
  
  My point is not that everyone surveyed in that poll agrees 100% with every detail of everything Murtha's ever said, but that a plurality of the US population has quite sensibly turned against the disastrous and completely unjustified Iraq occupation - and that this doesn't make them into the kind of Berkeley nudist protesters Charles likes to feature on the front page as representative of anyone slightly to the left of Rush Limbaugh.
- leereyno, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3The other thing to consider is that not all polls are created equally. The lefties are notorious for creating surveys and polls that are an elaborate version of "Do you still beat your wife?" These are multiple choice polls and surveys where the possible answers for each question are specifically selected to result in a particular outcome.
  
  Imagine if you were asked to choose between the following three options:
  
  a) Death
  b) Dismemberment
  c) Nationalized Health care
  
  Odds are that unless you're either a masochist or suicidal, you'll choose the latter option. Well these are the kinds of surveys that the left likes to create and whose results they use to create the illusion of popular support for their policies. Don't forget that while they're completely incompetent in most ways, when it comes to being sneaky and manipulative, the left is truly masterful.
  
  My sister has the misfortune of being a leftist, and she sent me just such a survey a couple of years back. When I told her what I really thought of it and why, it truly upset her, mostly because she knew I was right. Cognitive dissonance must be a permanent state of being for any leftist brave enough to peek around the blinders they install on themselves. I'm glad that my ideas about the world can withstand the onslaught of reality.
fleetmouse, on 10/12/2007, -6/+6Is there any point in trying to have a dialog with you guys?

Dig this comment down to vote "No".
- shibboleth, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4sure! censorship's not how i roll. you think i came here to get eProps?
  
  {dugg up just cuz}
- skwurl, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7Give me a break.
  
  'Digg this comment to vote 'No' is probably the lowest tactic I've seen on this site yet. How about I digg this comment down because you're a ***** retard.
  
  That makes much more sense.
AngieNear, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5"My point is not that everyone surveyed in that poll agrees 100% with every detail of everything Murtha's ever said..."

Ah. Those pesky "details". Pull out now, pull out later, give the surge a chance, consider the consequences of defeat...the important thing is "the war now sucks." Why, you'd almost think everyone loves a war that doesn't suck...or something.
- fleetmouse, on 10/12/2007, -12/+1My 2 cents: The war is lost. Iraq is a failed state that will collapse completely by the next presidential election, surge or no surge.
  
  The US has lied itself into war and utterly destroyed a country, for no good reason whatsoever, crippling its own military and economy in the process.
  
  Bush turned his back on Afghanistan waaaaay before finishing the job, allowing the Taliban and Al Qaeda to regroup in Pakistan, from where they are rumored to be plotting a nuclear attack on the US.
  
  Whether or not that happens, Bush's missteps will have disastrous repercussions for generations.
  
  Consider the consequences of defeat?! Don't you think Bush, Cheney, Rummy and Rice should have done that at the start?
  
  I highly recommend the PBS Frontline documentary The Lost Year in Iraq for a blow by blow analysis of how the US lost Iraq. It's quite horrific.
  
  http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/yeariniraq/view/
mcfairy, on 10/12/2007, -1/+12verchiel77 ~ Did you even look at the "spy" page. He isn't reveling in anything... just stating facts. Seems a lot of diggers don't happen to like facts.
- Verchiel77, on 10/12/2007, -7/+4As a matter of fact I did look at the spy page. As far as that goes, in addition to lgf posts, I also see story after story from Think Progress getting the bury treatment. Looks like, far from the monolithic lgf-oppressing force Chucky imagines them to be, "diggers" don't like facts of many varieties.
  
  Which was pretty much the point.
  
  For all this pearl-clutching over the inappropriate use of the "bury" function, even though I've never uttered a word of support for it, only noted the near-paranoid overreaction I observed on the lgf website, I find my comments accruing "thumbs downs," steadily.
  
  Apparently no amount of dissonance between rhetoric and behavior is blatant enough to overcome knee jerk behavior on either side.
mcfairy, on 10/12/2007, -2/+12I just want to say how funny it is for the "tolerant left" to keep telling us how bad LGF'ers are. And the 'racist' comments are just hilarious, unless you've added an entry into wiki to add religion as a race trait.

How dare we not tolerate intolerance! ! !

Heh.
- DannoJyD, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4[note to self: Digg Down thinkprogress so as to prove the Diggerals right.]
  
  Thanks for the idea, verchiel77. /sarc
AngieNear, on 10/12/2007, -3/+7"Oh yeah--that must be the intention of every "diggbat", "liberal", "islamist" etc. who takes issue at the content that comes from the LGF crowd."

I've seen this hoary strawman trotted out every single time there's evidence demonstrating the intolerance of some of the commenters. Here's a clue: I specifically quoted the passage I was referring to in my comment as evidence. If you think I was referring to you, that's your guilty conscience talking, not I.

Strawmen arguments are intellectually tired.
mcfairy, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8>My point is not that everyone surveyed in that poll agrees 100% with every detail of everything Murtha's ever said, but that a plurality >of the US population has quite sensibly turned against the disastrous and completely unjustified Iraq occupation - and that this doesn't >make them into the kind of Berkeley nudist protesters Charles likes to feature on the front page as representative of anyone slightly to >the left of Rush Limbaugh.

Yeah- I'd say they have turned against the LIBERATION of that country because the main stream media keeps feeding them a steady diet of "hate all things Bush/American". And the sheeple are falling for it. Seems a bunch of diggers want to be a part of that. Instead of letting people see the facts and make up their minds, they'd rather bury anything that doesn't fit into the 'hate all things Bush/American" theme.

Unjustified? Oh dear Lord, we could argue that point for days.
- fleetmouse, on 10/12/2007, -10/+3Colon Powell is supposed to have remarked to Bush, in reference to Iraq, "Mr. President, you break it, you bought it."
  
  Now it turns out that not only has he broken it, but no amount of money will "buy" it.
  
  Iraq will hang around America's neck like a burning tire for decades. How can you not see how much of a ***** up this is?
AngieNear, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5Here's an idea for some here: if you are not confronted personally, don't take something as an insult. Otherwise you are proving CJ's accusations of groupthink.
- fleetmouse, on 10/12/2007, -10/+3So the misrepresentation of liberals and anyone left of the ultra right at LGF - and here, for that matter - is off limits to discussion?
  
  You have some funny ideas about how guests should behave.
mcfairy, on 10/12/2007, -1/+9Fleetwhatever... as an American with family that served in Iraq~ Kiss My Ass.
Americans did not LOSE this war. Dumbass lefties who keep screaming "we lost" "we lost" "we lost" because iraq wasn't instantly turned into Boca Raton are the ones trying their best to LOSE this war.

Give me an example of our guys losing a battle in Iraq and I'll give you fifty where they kicked ass.
- fleetmouse, on 10/12/2007, -8/+4mcfairy, the US was in the position of a heavily armed guy walking into a warehouse full of gunpowder and lighting a match. There's no way to win. The entire country is at war with itself and with the US. The only way you could pacify it is to glass it.
  
  There was NO understanding of how the country was like a grenade with Saddam as the pin. Key figures in the Pentagon and White House didn't know the difference between the Shia and Sunni factions - or even that there was one.
  
  I don't blame this loss on the military. I blame it on asshat management from the executive, and cowardice on the part of the congress and senate.
fleetmouse, on 10/12/2007, -3/+4BTW shibboleth - I appreciate your "reaching across the aisle", I really do.
AngieNear, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6You can behave any way you want, but you aren't going to convince many thinking people that you're right by displaying the very behavior you're denying. It's a friendly suggestion, not a demand for rules of behavior. The fact that you can't tell the difference is quite telling.
mcfairy, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6Hey fleet- I am a registered user - just.like.you.are.
How dos that make me a guest and not you... unless you wrote the code? hmmmm?
mcfairy, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8And I have apparently been on digg LONGER than you have... so again ... how are we 'guests' and you get some special status?
- fleetmouse, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4That's a good point, and I apologize for my ill-chosen words. We're all guests here. I shouldn't see people as Digg people versus LGF people.
- Verchiel77, on 10/12/2007, -4/+7"I shouldn't see people as Digg people versus LGF people." --fleetmouse
  
  can't imagine where you would've gotten THAT idea. Oh, wait a minute...
  
  "you can watch in real time as the Diggbats go through all the LGF posts at Digg.com and mark them as spam: digg spy. I’m seeing at least one bury for an LGF post every few seconds. Busy little Diggbats. Go! Bury!"
  
  "The kooks at whatreallyhappened.com have linked to our post about Digg’s lefty bias for some reason"
  
  etc. etc.
  
  Thanks to Chuck's clear admiration for his display of wit in coining terms like "Diggbat," digg v. lgf is precisely how it's being framed. If anyone should apologize for that impression prevailing in the discussion, it's CJ, himself.
sadatoni, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5"As long as you agree with me you can have an opinion."
fleetmouse, on 10/12/2007, -7/+4I notice I'm still getting my posts dugg down.

Oh noes, now I know the pain of discrimination, etc.
- smokeybehr, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6Would you like some cheese with your whine?
  
  Maybe your posts are getting buried because there's no substantive information, or comments germane to the topic at hand?
mcfairy, on 10/12/2007, -3/+6Wow~ Fleet. Thanks.
It's not digg people vs lgf people. Can't be... because I am both.

I disagree on the war being a loss though. The leader is kaput, they can't fight us outright so they started aiming at each other...
We are losing the reconstruction - for some reason, trying to rebuild the country (not only from our bombs, but from the neglect over the past few decades) is a bad thing to our left. I'll never understand that one.
- fleetmouse, on 10/12/2007, -4/+3I think part of the problem is we're getting our news from different sources. It's like we have two different realities here. That's not only happening on the web with political blogs, but on mainstream news sources too. O'Reilly and Olbermann are clearly not on the same planet.
  
  So when we post about this stuff and exchange views, a lot of the basic information - the "facts" if you will - are in disagreement, not just the spin we give them.
  
  For instance, what you're saying about reconstruction - I have the impression from the news that a lot of the money that was originally promised or allocated for reconstruction was either diverted, embezzled by contractors, disappeared, or simply never materialized. I don't think it's quite true to say that the left or Iraq dissenters or whatever you want to call them are against reconstruction so much as against the way it's being handled, and the fact that the country seems to be too disordered and chaotic for reconstruction to proceed without sabotage.
  
  I think Iraq should be observed with the Hippocratic oath in mind - first, do no harm. Is an American military presence doing more harm than good at the moment? Can it possibly do any good when there's no clear enemy?
craka, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3Maybe if you force Diggers to enter at least 3 sentences of "reason" why their burying, it will stop some from burying legit stories.
- smokeybehr, on 10/12/2007, -3/+1That might be good as an argument to put under the "Can you add a 'who buried this article'" thread.
- bumblescrump, on 10/12/2007, -4/+4Why should we have to post reasons? it sounds like some gestapo intimidation measure to me. People digg or bury based on their view of the story. I'm really sorry that the Digg crowd doesn't appreciate LGF as much as you do, but that's the way it goes, sometimes life isn't fair. It's not about how legitimate the story is, you could criticize CNN or CBS or whatever for ignoring "legitimate" news, but it simply does not apply to digg.
- fleetmouse, on 10/12/2007, -4/+3I don't know why it would make a difference. Everyone posts under a pseudonym anyways. Do you think they give care about someone seeing that they're biased?
  
  (oh, in case I clicked the wrong thing, that was a reply to smokeybehr)
bumblescrump, on 10/12/2007, -5/+5I'm digging this story also, but again, I doubt it will help, because most diggers are too smart to fall for your brand of intellectually devoid rantings disguising itself as news. Sorry, but it just seems like a bad joke.

PS all the people trying to have a rationale debate with these mindless sheep who have been mercilessly victimized by the ever so cruel goliath that is digg, you're wasting your time. They all have a third grade bully mentality and think that debate consists of thinking up what they perceive as clever insults such as "moonbats" and other childish belligerence.

Oh yeah, digging me down just proves you are all hypocrites who have to censor every opposing view, but please, don't let that stop you.
amerpun, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4fleetmouse, maybe because the people who are on LGF, have the ideology that when you get kicked in teeth, you fight back, not apologize for putting your mouth in their foot's way.
gtiness, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4War is Peace
mcfairy, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5It's funny Fleet... my cousin and my next door neighbor (who just returned from Iraq last month) give a whole different story than the MSM. It isn't as bleak and it's full of hope and appreciation from the people they work with.

I believe them before I'd believe Katie Couric- any day.

YMMV
- fleetmouse, on 10/12/2007, -3/+3That doesn't surprise me at all, mcfairy, because I believe that people are basically good and capable of getting along one on one unless they're psychopaths, so there must be plenty of success stories of Americans helping Iraqis, Iraqis appreciating and reciprocating, etc.
  
  It's when people see each other as factions, movements and groups that we run into trouble.
bumblescrump, on 10/12/2007, -4/+3By the way, does anyone know when or if it is possible to register on the LGF site? I would like to be able to post on their forums. Thanks.
amerpun, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4bumblescrump, CJ opens registration when he does. Basically, no guarantee. If you're going to attack fellow members, though, I wouldn't bother.
- bumblescrump, on 10/12/2007, -7/+4I would like to debate within the forums of LGF because I have noticed a severe lack of any real dissent or questioning on that site. I can certainly refrain from personal attacks and so on, do you have a link to the TOS on LGF, or a way to contact CJ in the hopes of finding out when registration might be open?
- bumblescrump, on 10/12/2007, -5/+3no?
- bumblescrump, on 10/12/2007, -3/+2Why is this being buried?! I'm just advocating real debate on the LGF forums!
- Verchiel77, on 10/12/2007, -3/+2Any place where the election of an American (Keith Ellison) to Congress elicits comments like this:
  
  "Manchurian... err... Tehranian Candidate?
  
  That will be the Islamic strategy to overthrow the west, by increasing in population and getting their people into office. It starts now. They are good.
  
  How long before he blows himself up on the House floor?
  
  I hope all you Democrats enjoy praying to Allah 5 times a day, you *****.
  
  God Help Us....Muslims in Congress. I think Ill go into the Garage and clean my shotgun.
  
  Well, then, tie that bastards hands in never-ending investigations. So many that his filthy Islamic hands will never get near any piece of legislation, nor on any committee or anywhere that that ***** can do any damage to the United States. Break this worthless POS. Hound him at every turn. And when anything untoward is found, arrest him and try him for whatever crime you can find.
  
  Ellison, if you are reading this, I find you guilty of abetting terrorism, sedition and crimes against humanity."
  
  isn't any place you're going to find "real debate."
- bumblescrump, on 10/12/2007, -3/+2well, it's not likely to happen anyway, because I'm getting nowhere fast trying to figure out how i can even get registered.
mcfairy, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5Bumble... check on the weekends.
Bring it.

(amerpun - it would prove that he allows dissenting opinions though - bunches and bunches of them. "Just My View" has been a registered user for years. It cracks me up when I see people say Charles bans anyone who disagrees with him)
- bumblescrump, on 10/12/2007, -3/+3It would be nice to find a specific time because I'm sure a lot of Diggers would like to be able to defend themselves on the LGF forums. I could create a digg story and people that would be interested in registering on the forums would get a chance to do so. Just an idea.
mcfairy, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6>That doesn't surprise me at all, mcfairy, because I believe that people are basically good and capable of getting along one on one >unless they're psychopaths, so there must be plenty of success stories of Americans helping Iraqis, Iraqis appreciating and >reciprocating, etc.

Yes, Fleet... "THERE MUST BE".
Doesn't it bother you that the main stream media choses to ignore those? It bothers me a LOT.
- fleetmouse, on 10/12/2007, -4/+3Maybe they'd run some of them on the news if they didn't keep getting bumped by stories about sacks of human heads found in Baghdad, car bombs killing 75 people, and so on.
mcfairy, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5fleet~ yeah, and they will continue to car bomb kill anyone who disagrees or hopes for a brighter future (or happens to be in the wrong place). It doesn't matter~ America will get the blame anyway... so they can just kill with impunity.

Right, lefties?
- bumblescrump, on 10/12/2007, -5/+4I think you're confusing coverage of the tragic events in Iraq as an attack on America. I've never read a story in the mainstream press that said "Car Bomb Explodes In Baghdad: America To Blame!" or some other nonsense. You enjoy negative coverage of the religion of Islam, but you get ***** if you see a story about troops raping a 14 yr old girl in Baghdad. The fact is this was a war of choice, and a lot of bad things have happened as a result.
- bumblescrump, on 10/12/2007, -5/+2sorry, didn't mean to post again....
mcfairy, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5I have a good idea- how about we get mad at the ones WHO DO THE KILLING AND CAR BOMBING?!

novel idea ,heh?
- fleetmouse, on 10/12/2007, -5/+2But who are the people doing the killings and car bombings, and why isn't there an effective Iraqi security force to stop them?
  
  You really ought to watch that Frontline documentary on The Lost Year in Iraq. I linked to it above. When Paul Bremer was consul in Iraq, they dissolved the Iraqi military, destroying Iraq's security capabilities and flooding the streets with angry armed young men who turned to the radical shaykhs for guidance.
  
  Not smart.
- bumblescrump, on 10/12/2007, -4/+3I have to agree with fleetmouse, we do bear some responsibilty for what happens in Iraq.
NappieRed, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2Quit trying to bury me! I am a Centrist like the majority of America!
Americaninfidel, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5I'm curious, is there anywhere (other than Afghanistan) that liberals would fight the terrorists?
- fleetmouse, on 10/12/2007, -3/+2The real terrorists are coming from Saudi Arabia and Pakistan. But it's much easier to invade a country weakened by years of withering under sanctions and tyranny. Besides, "he tried to kill mah daddeh!"
  
  Or how about preventing genocide in the Sudan?
  
  BTW, Bin Laden got exactly what he wanted by attacking the US: the American military bases are off Saudi soil.
  
  Does Bush know what else is on Osama's list of demands? Is he going to fill some more requests?
- mcfairy, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4They protested that one too.
- bumblescrump, on 10/12/2007, -3/+2Protested which one?! A little clarity goes a long way.
joeTaco, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2buried :-)
mcfairy, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4You cannot reason someone out of something they were not reasoned into. - Iraq The Model
www.iraqthemodel.com -

^ Yeah... muslims *gasp* linked to by an LGF'er... but.. but... they are all rAciStS dammit!

Keep --burying-- your head in the sand.
- fleetmouse, on 10/12/2007, -4/+1I'll have a look at that website, mcfairy, but is it really necessary to build a straw man and take a whack at it just to post a link?
- bumblescrump, on 10/12/2007, -3/+2is this supposed to be a rebuttal? I thought it was supposed to be the left that resort to name calling and insults to win an argument....
mcfairy, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5What strawman? I was just tired of arguing with you guys.
Have at it.
- fleetmouse, on 10/12/2007, -4/+2Does conceding defeat mean you will re-examine your positions?
mcfairy, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3Name calling?

where? ^ it is the LGF'ers that are supposedly racists (even though islam isn't a race) - I was quite shocked that as an LGF'er I'd post that, after reading all day that I was a racist. *snicker*

That happens to be one of my favorite blogs. I read their points of view (add sandmonkey, big pharoah into that group) as well as the milblogs. Gives a better -more rounded- view than the msm. You guys should try it sometime.
- bumblescrump, on 10/12/2007, -3/+3I was talking about the insulting insinuation that we have our heads buried in the sand.
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