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- phnx0221, on 10/31/2007, -1/+30Man, it REALLY sucks that our other thread got buried. It was so productive, and motivated.
I'm going to repost the standard copy and paste letter I wrote earlier, in case anyone is interested in using it, or drawing upon it.
To Whom It May Concern
It has come to my attention, that The U.S. House of Representatives has recently passed HR 1955 titled the Violent Radicalization and Homegrown Terrorism Prevention Act of 2007.
This act defines homegrown terrorism as: "(3) HOMEGROWN TERRORISM- The term homegrown terrorism’ means the use, planned use, or threatened use, of force or violence by a group or individual born, raised, or based and operating primarily within the United States or any possession of the United States to intimidate or coerce the United States government, the civilian population of the United States, or any segment thereof, in furtherance of political or social objectives. "
This act also allows for a central organization to be created to monitor, detect, and report on suspicious "homegrown terrorist activity within the United States". The definition of such activity is vague, leaving room for the possibility of anyone seriously advocating social change, restoration of the constitution, and advocating the organization of protests to "coerce the United States government, the civilian population, or any segment thereof".
This Act is undermining, and threatening, the constitutional rights of U.S. citizens to organize in dissent of the Patriot Act, NSA surveillance, telecom immunity, social injustice, the War on Terror, or any other program that the citizenry feels is in violation of their inalienable rights as U.S. citizens.
We have had enough. Please report on this. The link to the Act, in full detail, is listed here:
http://www.govtrack.us/congress/billtext.xpd?bill= ...
Please report on this. All U.S. citizens who are doing nothing but voicing their opinions against a government that has expanded their executive powers, bypassed our congressional check and balance, and has undermined our U.S. Judiciary System, are now at risk, by this new act, of being labeled and prosecuted as a terrorist.
Please help.
Sincerely, - inactive, on 10/31/2007, -1/+22Its a ***** nightmare!
How can this be happening in my country in the country of Jefferson and Wshington?
How did such small minded authoritarian pricks pervert the American dream. Me cago en tu cara George Bush! Eres un hijo de puta. - inactive, on 10/31/2007, -1/+20friend, "violence" is already illegal, so the bill is unnecessary in that regrd. This bill and the commission that it sets up will be in charge of spying on American citizens.
you are a tool - inactive, on 10/31/2007, -1/+16America, the worlds hope for a vision of the future for a truly free world. What happened?
- phnx0221, on 10/31/2007, -1/+16Here are some email addresses to send this story to. We need to get this out there. The media needs to report on this. This affects all of us. We CANNOT sit idly by and let this happen.
totn@npr.org, morning@npr.org, atc@npr.org, letters@latimes.com, fair@fair.org, ireport@cnn.com, netaudr@abc.com, evening@cbsnews.com, ftn@cbsnews.com, today@nbc.com, letters@nytimes.com, nytnews@nytimes.com, editor@usatoday.com, wsj.ltrs@wsj.com, letters@newsweek.com, letters@washpost.com, letters@usnews.com, info@ap.org, zmag@zmag.org, countdown@msnbc.com, mail@democracynow.org - phnx0221, on 10/31/2007, -1/+15And finally...
http://www.thenation.com/contact/lett
This link will bring you to a standard contact form. Just copy and paste your message into their box, and send it.
I can't believe this got buried. I'm going to shout this out again to all of my friends. PLEASE do the same. This is something that simply cannot go unchecked. Only 6 representatives voted no on this one. That means that this was a bi-partisan attack on our civil liberties, our right to dissent, our right to voice our opinions against this unchecked government, and most importantly, our constitutional, human right to organize in our dissent to try to make a powerful impact. All of you, please do the same, we have to get this up there on the front page so that everyone will see what happened today. - phnx0221, on 10/31/2007, -1/+14Here is a link to the list of Senators, and their contact information. It includes their Washington addresses, and their phone numbers:
http://www.senate.gov/general/contact_information/ ...
Make sure to contact Senator Chris Dodd as well. (202) 224-2823
He has done a lot for us in regards to net neutrality, and continuing a filibuster to prevent telecom immunity.
He'll be a great advocate for this, regardless of whether or not he is your representative. - duggtodeath, on 10/31/2007, -1/+11Arrest this ***** now! There, I'm a terrorist!
- geddon, on 10/31/2007, -1/+10The previous thread is still available, although last night it seemed to be offline for a few hours; the result of which seemingly stopped the story from escalating to the front page. Is there room for a tin foil hat or simply a coincidence? Either way, its sad to see the 'split in human evolution' story overtake one of the greatest threats to our Democracy.
http://www.digg.com/politics/Thought_Crime_Prevent ... - guestaccount, on 10/31/2007, -1/+10"`(2) VIOLENT RADICALIZATION- The term `violent radicalization' means the process of adopting or promoting an extremist belief system for the purpose of facilitating ideologically based violence to advance political, religious, or social change."
Anyone else think this is exactly what the bush administration has been doing during their entire reign? - ByteGuerilla, on 10/31/2007, -1/+10People with money took over the nation. At the beginning of the 20th Century, America was under the threat of being run at the whim of rich banking families. By the 1950s, the banks had control of the economy and were milking the nation. Not only that, but the military-industrial complex was on the way up. The Cold War polarised the nation against a bogeyman: Communism. Few bothered to realised that the Soviet Union and Red China were not Communist, but State Capitalist fascisms, who won the support of the workers with pseudo-Communist rhetoric. Even fewer realised that the objective of polarising the nation against a foreign enemy was to bring the people onside with the military-industrial complex.
Now we have a military nation, run by the rich, at the expense of the poor, to make the rich richer and the poor poorer. We have war for profit, and the perfect bogeyman: Terrorism. Terrorists are defined by the rulers, and as such there will always be someone to spend money on fighting; always someone for the people to be afraid of. Until you are stuck in a cycle of consuming products and you have stripped yourself of your rights because of your political apathy, there will be no relent.
It is not too late. The rich ones who run the State maintain their power by the army and the police. Lenin called these ''special bodies of armed men''. Don't forget that the police and the army are subjects of this tyranny too, and they are perhaps the best targets for the people's cause. They are the inflicters, the instruments of oppression. They see it first-hand, and they have the weapons. Weapons the people need to turn on their oppressors. This is your second amendment. It is there to guard against special bodies of armed men being used to oppress you.
Don't give up your guns; don't give up your liberty. Take your country back. - phnx0221, on 10/31/2007, -1/+9I almost forgot. Thanks to notque for picking up on this one:
"Make sure if you use this to replace the link with the real link. Copy and paste it after you open it. I'm sending this off to as many places as I can." - TritonX, on 10/31/2007, -1/+9And how do you know someone is planning to be violent? This is open to a lot of interpretations.
- Wacer, on 11/05/2007, -1/+9There is still time. Write your Senators and tell them how you feel.
- geddon, on 10/31/2007, -0/+7"According to U.S. Justice Department projections, the cost of "Homegrown Terrorism", crime in America has cost American taxpayers over $2 trillion dollars since 9/11/01 (cost now standing at $675 billion annually). The nation has lost approximately 7,300 lives with hundreds more injured including the 9/11/01 tragedy and subsequent war against offshore terrorism. According to USJD statistics, since 9/11/01 violent crime in America has totaled over 2 million crimes with approximately 50,000 murders."
http://www.bookflash.com/releases/100947.html - unfilterthought, on 10/31/2007, -1/+7this is scary *****.
- Rsardinia, on 10/31/2007, -2/+8Is speaking out against someone "planning" on becoming violent? If I talk ***** about someone around here that could be interpretted as I want to cause them bodily harm. Same could be said when speaking out against our government officials. Saying "I Hate Dick Cheney" could mean you hate him enough to kill him or you just really dislike him and do not want him in office, that's up to the interpretation of the guy who's reading/hearing what you are saying.
- anarchytv, on 10/31/2007, -2/+8Homegrown terrorism? You mean the terroists aren't Al Queda, but are originating inside the United States??? We've been looking in the wrong places all this time? The enemy is within. Who could these be, the only groups I know of that have weapons and intimidate and terrorize people who don't comply with their ideology are... hmmm... Perhaps, the CIA? The FBI? The NSA? Your local law enforcement agency? The only people I know around here that play with bombs are the military base 20 miles away, that regularly shoots 50 caliber and mortar rounds... weapons of mass destruction... hmm, perhaps the weapons grade tritium refining nuclear plant down the road in the other direction... good lord, South Carolina is chocked full of WMDs... from what I remember of Civil War history, they were the first to suceed, and violently took up arms against the US government and openly warred against them... and have been under military occupation since losing that war. South Carolina is probably a hotbed of homegrown terrorists.
- 30thElement, on 10/31/2007, -1/+7Ironically, this makes me want to buy a gun.
- toejuiceDCUP, on 11/05/2007, -0/+5Put me on that list right now *****. ***** this *****. Our government is getting worse by the day.
- SeethisPass, on 11/05/2007, -1/+6I support the immediate arrest of George Bush, Dick Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld, Condoleeza Rice, Feith, Wolfowitz, All PNAC menbers, Rudi Giuliiani, All Fox "News" personel,and Both Clintons. Others to be added as needed.
- phnx0221, on 10/31/2007, -1/+5Wow, what a load of propaganda *****. The fact that he used USJD statistics, to supplement his hateful vengeance on "immorality" is really disturbing. This guy labels virtually all crime as domestic terrorism, as well as any lifestyle that isn't that of a stereotypical wealthy white upper class family. The sad thing is, that this type of thing, if not this very book, could be picked up by the talking heads and put forth as actual fact, backed by statistics from the Department of Justice. Implemented propaganda, same as it's always been, except this time, far more dangerous to the average American citizen.
- tehnico, on 10/31/2007, -1/+5The last section of the bill.
"`SEC. 899F. PROTECTING CIVIL RIGHTS AND CIVIL LIBERTIES WHILE PREVENTING IDEOLOGICALLY BASED VIOLENCE AND HOMEGROWN TERRORISM."
Outlines (hopefully) that the bill cannot be enforced if doing so would violate constitutional rights, subject to an audit of the circumstances surrounding the charge. - geddon, on 10/31/2007, -1/+5"Protecting Civil Rights and Civil Liberties" is certainly the motto of the Bush Administration.
- snyperr2s, on 10/31/2007, -1/+5to bad that one guys grenade didnt go off when he threw it at bush :'( there, im a terrorist
- dakotaterritory, on 11/05/2007, -1/+5“When dictatorship is a fact, revolution becomes a right”
~ Victor Hugo.
“Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable.”
~ John Fitzgerald Kennedy - CynthiaK23, on 11/02/2007, -0/+4Get us out of this mess! Vote Ron Paul!!!
- elgringo74, on 11/20/2007, -0/+4I highly doubt that our forefathers had non-violence in mind when writing the 2nd amendment. Combine that with my belief that big government is bad government. Does that make me a terrorist. Who decides? We have plenty of laws on the books for dealing with violence. The government has no business dictating what is extreme ideology and what is not!
- speerross, on 10/31/2007, -1/+4"It defines terrorists as those who use VIOLENCE or plan on being VIOLENT!"
Doesn't that make the Bush Administration terrorists? - SeethisPass, on 10/31/2007, -1/+4Then describe the word "feel" for them.
- itchcity, on 11/19/2007, -0/+3This is really, really ***** up. Why does this have only 163 diggs?
- geddon, on 10/31/2007, -1/+4Looks like the other thread was experiencing a temporary outage.
- jeebusroxors, on 12/10/2007, -0/+390% correct, Ron Paul is no clown, But the key to change is to start small at local government, not even Congress, although it wouldn't hurt. With the way things are going, regular Joes may have a pretty easy time getting elected.
- objectcode, on 10/31/2007, -0/+3@Hortnon failing at what?
- pawnzRus, on 11/01/2007, -0/+3Oops. Brainfarted myself. Please bury/disregard previous reply. Meant see here...http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?tab=summa ...
"To prevent homegrown terrorism, and for other purposes." - does sound open for a lot of interpretation. - blar, on 01/22/2008, -0/+3Instead of bitching about it do something about it! get out there ad support/vote for Ron Paul, spread the word and end this crazy BS.
Who is the only cadidate out there from either party talking about ending this kind of un-American BS and restoring YOUR liberties? Ron Paul! all the others are just plastic cookie cutters... Bush 2.0's WAKE UP! - OrbitalZen, on 12/04/2007, -0/+3I found this entire resolution to be extremely disconcerting and quite possibly a solemn omen of things to come, after some careful research on HR 1955 I have personally sent a letter to my own state Senator, Bill Nelson of FL. I encourage you all to do the same and garner some public awareness on this issue before it is swept under the media carpet.
- phnx0221, on 10/31/2007, -1/+3Indeed. Maybe it had something to do with the popularity of the thread? Since everyone was in agreement with each other, and all comments were getting a large number of diggs, vs 0 to 1 buries, maybe the algorithm caught it, and buried it out of suspicion?
I don't really know, I'm just guessing. - objectcode, on 10/31/2007, -0/+2thats how it starts
- objectcode, on 10/31/2007, -0/+2damn right it is, you better be careful of what you say. they are listening (or reading)
- alternativecatI, on 10/31/2007, -2/+4Please watch this video with Naomi Wolf. I think she's making a mistake in not endorsing Ron Paul though if she's right. http://youtube.com/watch?v=RjALf12PAWc
I have also contacted my Senator by the way. You can use www.congress.org to do this. You just put in your zip code and it finds all of your representatives.
Pleople should start printing the bill out and passing it out to people. - grenden, on 12/02/2007, -0/+2"God forbid we should ever be twenty years without such a rebellion. The people cannot be all, and always, well informed. The part which is wrong will be discontented, in proportion to the importance of the facts they misconceive. If they remain quiet under such misconceptions, it is lethargy, the forerunner of death to the public liberty. ... And what country can preserve its liberties, if it's rulers are not warned from time to time, that this people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms. The remedy is to set them right as to the facts, pardon and pacify them. What signify a few lives lost in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time, with the blood of patriots and tyrants. It is its natural manure."
--Thomas Jefferson
You were saying something about violence? What about those who plan a revolution? Should patriots be labeled terrorists? - Izult, on 12/16/2007, -0/+2HOW do they enforce that half? there's too many things that are under defined in this whole thing.
(2) VIOLENT RADICALIZATION- The term `violent radicalization' means the process of adopting or promoting an extremist belief system for the purpose of facilitating ideologically based violence to advance political, religious, or social change.
How is extremist belief system defined? How is belief system defined? Who defines these and based on what information? Simply voicing an opinion is not a crime neither is peaceably gathering to promote a point of view or protest for redress of a grievance. Please refer to the First Amendment - xgreenxcloverx, on 11/19/2007, -0/+2Thanks for the list! I just emailed every one of those addresses.
- taureandevi, on 11/20/2007, -0/+2Kucinich was one of the 6 lone representatives who opposed this bill. Ron Paul did not vote!
http://www.govtrack.us/congress/vote.xpd?vote=h200 ... - blar, on 01/22/2008, -0/+2Just wait till they make you register your guns too.... that's the next thing to have a defenseless populous that can be ruled.
- puskas75, on 11/30/2007, -0/+2I think Charles AM is on the right track. It is in the best interest of all politicians to stay in power. Most are wealthy upper class, which accounts for a small percentage of the US. Think they really want to help anyone else out. The two party system guarantees they ALL stay in power and get richer. It is time for change and has been for some time. It is time for citizens to think outside the box and overhaul the system.
- phillipbrittain, on 12/01/2007, -0/+2Couple this with the US Government getting firefighters to spy on Americans and lawfully intrude without warrants and it's a scary situation. I am so close to moving out of this country. Teh Bush Crimes Family is making Mexico look desirable. No wonder they bought property about 1/2 the size of Rhode Island. They will need an escape hatch is Americans can stop watching "Dancing with the Stars" long enough to get pissed off.
- maxtangent, on 12/08/2007, -0/+2...
- blackpanther2, on 01/18/2008, -0/+2See ya'll at the concentration camps!
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