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- FlaG8r, on 10/12/2007, -4/+108Always spreading Christ's message of love and tolerance.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -5/+53This guy just made the best argument possible for gay marriage- he opposes it.
Hear the the room collectively snickering like a room of 10-year-olds when he says '*****?'
If these are modern 'conservative values' (because they certainly aren't traditional conservative values, as any *real* conservative will tell you) then conservatism is not a legitimate political affiliation. It is a loose collection of fear and dogma built around some misguided Biblical mythology these people use to justify their own bigotry. - vault, on 10/12/2007, -6/+49>>please check your facts/grammer
how about checking your spelling of the word, 'grammar' ? - starvo, on 10/12/2007, -8/+48Apparently Jesus isn't too fond of them *****.
I'll have to tell all of my Gay friends to go back to Hell now, because the Conservative right-wing is onto their secret plan. - Brain1, on 10/12/2007, -7/+44I bet if Jesus was with us on this"Plane of Reality" that he would most definatly be a Democrat. Democrats help the diadvantaged , and poor. Jesus Helped the sick and blind.
Republicans ignore such people, and for the life of me, I cant understand why Repubs even go to church. - LiquidFusion, on 10/12/2007, -1/+36This is what gives moderate Christians a bad name. Just like moderate Muslims should stand up against the extremists defining their religion, Christians should expose these people as the intolerant malcontents defining theirs.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -6/+39Conservatives only attack gays because they're pissed off that their wifes are unpassionate and asexual.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+31Forgive me if I quote a bumper sticker, but "hate and biggotry are not a family values".
These people are every bit as crazy as Al Queda. - lumnar, on 10/12/2007, -2/+26Jesus seems pretty anticonfirmist to me. I don't think he would support either major political party and would probably see them as more or less unimportant. He didn't seem to look too favorly upon the rich and otherwise wordly minded people, which virtually every politician of either party more or less has to be.
Face it. Jesus would vote Green. - Popcan, on 10/12/2007, -1/+23Well as a pretty conservative person i would like to say that i dont think this is a widespread feeling or a big issue for most people. I think most people dont care what other people do or how they live. I really think that government should not have anything to do with marriage. If you are a Christian and your married, do you really want the government to be in charge of your marriage? Marriage should be between you, your spouse and God... or Mother Nature... or whoever you want. The government should not have anything to do with it.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+22@popcan
That's my point, really.
The *real* conservative position is that it is none of the government's damn business what you do in your personal life to the extent that it does not infringe upon the rights of others.
These people are not conservatives. They are bigots and fools. - malkir, on 10/12/2007, -2/+23The prophets and Jesus were all about the breaking down of social barriers. The pharisees were about defining and adhering to barriers. Guess which side these people are on.
- crashflow, on 10/12/2007, -0/+19you can uncheck "POLITICAL OPINION" on your topics list in the add or remove topics link.
- nebrfan, on 10/12/2007, -0/+19As a *TRUE* Conservative Republican (Read: Goldwater) this really disturbs me. I believe in small government - which includes a government that stays out of American bedrooms.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+18"This matter of gay — I want the gays mad at me."
Sounds pretty ***** clear to me.
Twist it all you want, but he -IS- bashing homosexuals. - Y2JCrisis, on 10/12/2007, -4/+20What's funny is that this guy is probably the world's biggest homosexual behind closed doors, and this whole anti-gay thing is a pathetic attempt at a cover up. No straight guy is that adamant about hating gays. Only a guy who is gay and ashamed of it would do these things. Like Fred Phelps.
- kremvax, on 10/12/2007, -1/+16Ever hear the quote “Give a man a fish and you have fed him for today. Teach a man to fish and you have fed him for a lifetime"
Yeah, I heard that quote. It's not religious, nor is it in the bible. Ever hear the quote:
"Build a man a fire and he'll be warm for a day. Set a man on fire and he'll be warm for the rest of his life." - a1532b, on 10/12/2007, -0/+14It really makes me sick to my stomach thinking that these are the people that are in charge. Many of my friends are gay, and they are some of the nicest people you could ever meet. For those that say being gay is a choice, who would choose to be hated by so many people?
- Y2JCrisis, on 10/12/2007, -0/+13"Conservative" doesn't mean what it did when Barry Goldwater was its champion. People, somewhat ignorantly, think it now means the same thing as being a traditionalist.
I think we need a new word for conservative, so the two don't get confused. - kremvax, on 10/12/2007, -0/+13"Jesus was more about voluntarily helping others rather than taking money by force from everyone's paycheck for redistributing how he felt was more fairly."
Perhaps. But he was really specific about giving "everything that you have to the poor."
Jesus also had some really harsh words for the rich. "You cannot server two masters, God and Money, for you will love one and hate the other." Jesus also spent a goodly amount of time explaining that it's almost completely impossible for a rich man to get into heaven.
But, hey, that's only for practising Christians. Don't let that stop you from clinging to your pieces of silver sir. - galore, on 10/12/2007, -0/+12So how do you explain that all those anti-gay amendments pass with huge margins? Bashing gays is not extreme Christianity, it is normal Christianity.
Those amendments do nothing to protect marriage. They are 100% gay bashing. - kremvax, on 10/12/2007, -0/+12In the US, Marriage is a legally binding contract recorded by the state that gives you a particular tax status, and also allows for the transfer of material assets and things like health insurance. Your marriage license is issued by your state.
It's also the name of a ceremony applied by a number of religions. Many officiants of these ceremonies have a corresponding license to marry people by law as well as religious ceremony.
The "conservatives" are looking to pass laws to make the former illegal for homosexual US citizens though. And be sure that voters are confused between the two concepts, and lead them to believe that homosexuals should not be afforded the same tax and legal status' as other americans, for fear of somehow diminishing the sentiment over the latter optional religious ceremony. - bbatsell, on 10/12/2007, -0/+12It has a link to the audio so you can listen from the _actual_ source's mouth. But, uh... don't let that stop you from refusing to be informed.
- halleyscomet, on 10/12/2007, -0/+11@codyfrisch
"It's pretty funny really, how people who can't tolerate conservatives twist everything out of proportion."
I don't see how this is being twisted out of proportion. Some people claiming to be "Christian" are using hate as the foundation of their behavior. They choose to slander others by questioning their sexual orientation in a crass and childish manner.
"Did you know the term *****(SIC) goes back centuries, to when only gay men smoked "fags" which would be cigarettes. Thats where the term originated."
Yes, I'm sure that's exactly what the Conservatives in question were referring to (Sheesh)
"If you believe evolution you cannot believe homosexuality is genetic"
Well that's a creative bit of imagination on your part. If that's so, then explain why homosexual behavior has been observed in over 400 different species?
Bonobos for example, use homosexual couplings as a means of reinforcing social bonds.
Male Peacocks that eschew homosexual behavior find themselves ostracized from the group, and have problems finding female mates as a result.
And don;t get me started on Dolphins. They shag each other with abandon, with little to no regard for the gender of their partner. - iheartcrack, on 10/12/2007, -0/+10According to the Bible, doing yardwork on Sunday is also a sin on par with homosexuality.
However shagging your wife's sister, as long as your wife is dead, is perfectly o.k. That and slavery ofcourse.
;) - Corrosionx, on 10/12/2007, -0/+11@Y2JCrisis :
A tolerant conservative would be a libertarian and would sound like this:
Let everyone live their lives as they see fit as long as they don't harm or infringe upon the rights of others. - halleyscomet, on 10/12/2007, -0/+9@Reaperducer
Click "Profile + History"
Select the "Profile + Settings" tab
Click "Manage Topics"
Clear the check boxes next to all the topics you want to avoid. (For example, I've removed all of "Sports" from my profile)
Click "Save Changes"
Blammo! No more topics you'd rather skip. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -2/+12Conservatives are such open-minded people...
FOR ME TO POOP ON!
But seriously, is this 1950?
I wonder how many times Macaca or the 'N' word made it into the dialog there. - enderu, on 10/12/2007, -0/+9"Despite this, one may argue that the very roots of the US were based on basic Christian principles ("...one nation, under God...")"
Get your facts straight, that was added to keep the "godless communists" out of our country during the McCarthyism era, 50-60 years ago, not since "the very roots of the US." - JonnyTrombone, on 10/12/2007, -0/+101950? Nope, it's 1984.
- phr0stbyte, on 10/12/2007, -0/+9Sadly a large portion of the US population probably would have laughed and snickered as well.
- galore, on 10/12/2007, -0/+9Yawn. The tired old bible "justification".
Why do you pick the handful of homophobic Bible verses (which are probably translation errors anyways) and NEVER pick the verses that are inconvenient for you?
I know it's easy to feel superior over ***** and throw the Bible onto them because after all you don't want to ***** the same sex, should you be straight. Such a tough sacrifice to make for you to obey those verses.
I am still waiting for the consititutional amendment to outlaw Red Lobster restaurants...
Will never happen, because to stop eating shrimp, even though the Bible forbids eating shellfish, is way too much effort for you. That goes way, way beyond your commitment to Christianity. But ***** should give up the sex that gives them pleasure. Right. - phr0stbyte, on 10/12/2007, -0/+101. it doesn't matter what the history of the word is, its what its meaning is today. Calling someone a derogatory term for a group of people is just wrong. You must live in a nice little world where everyone is middle to upper middle class and white, otherwise you'd understand how wrong your view is.
2. Homosexuality has been tolerated in many societies, most famously Greek society where our vaunted republic form government was first born.
3. Homosexuals can breed due to the advances in modern science.
4. I just wanted to see if you 'could care less' - thefirelane, on 10/12/2007, -0/+10@ codyfrisch
"If you believe evolution you cannot believe homosexuality is genetic, because homosexuals do no breed so the genes should have left our biology "millions of years" ago."
Wow, you certainly show us... how ignorant you are. Shall I enumerate:
1) Most recent research into Male homosexuality has shown it isn't specifically GENETIC, but rather has more to do with the hormonal conditions of the mother's reproductive system. Specifically, the number of previous male children born. This means it in no way contradicts evolution, because it is what's known as a LOCAL MAXIMUM... there isn't a way to get 100% straight children without totally reworking the reproductive system.. so it stays there at 99.9% 'good enough'
2) Things which are counter-reproductive can indeed be genetic and still passed on..... please study "recessive genes". You might as well argue there are no such thing as genetic birth defects.
Honestly, I hope you read those two and realize it is you who are ignorant. Can I be any more clearer?
3) If you believe in ID, then you believe God designed the afore mentioned reproductive system... which has been shown conclusively to be a major cause of male homosexuality. How do you square that? - bbatsell, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8*1954 by Eisenhower. But yes, you are correct.
- Bartboy919, on 10/12/2007, -0/+9goddammit, I think popcan just made me realise something. Marriage almost always has something to do with religion. and if this is true, then because of separation of church ans state, there should be no law banning gay marriage
- galore, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8"If you believe evolution you cannot believe homosexuality is genetic, because homosexuals do no breed so the genes should have left our biology "millions of years" ago."
This popular line of thinking really shows how dumb people are.
Since when are gays and lesbians infertile?? I guarantee you, a homosexual's sperm is just as capable of fertilizing an egg as a straight's sperm. A Lesbian's egg is just as capable of being fertilized as a straight's egg.
Homosexual men can hire a surrogate, if they have money and want children. Lesbians can go to a sperm bank.
Hell, if they want and can arrange, a lesbian can use a turkey baster and ask her gay friend to give her his sperm...
They can also make an exception and ***** the old fashioned way (while holding their nose over that icky straight sex).
And then there are untold numbers of homosexuals who were way too afraid to come out in their early adult years and procreated. The majority of my gay friends actually used to be married and have children...
Just because your brain is too small to grasp the difference between sexual orientation and fertility doesn't disprove evolution. - kristov, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8Haha - ya don't listen to the straight-from-the-bigots-mouth audio version or it might shatter your frail reality.
Keep your head in the sand where its safe. - Vengefultacos, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7Quoted from the article, Wellington Boon said:
"...they’re fussing on it, they’re saying a few things, but they don’t have me, you know, in their, you know, on their web sites. They’re not coming at me strong."
Gosh. Mr. Boon wants to appear on gay men's websites and have gay men coming at him. No repression there... no siree... - halleyscomet, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8The more they protest about how evil Homosexuals are, the more likely it is that they dream about pole smoking and imagine their wives are Tom Cruise during sex.
http://www.religioustolerance.org/hom_fuel2.htm
University study of homophobia:
A study that appears to reveal a major cause of homophobia was completed at the University of Georgia in 1996. 3 It involved 64 white men, none of whom had engaged in homosexual acts during their lifetime. Their sexual fantasies involved only women. 35 of them were rated homophobic; 29 non-homophobic. For the purpose of this study, "homophobia" was defined as a negative emotional reaction (e.g., fear, anxiety, anger, discomfort) to homosexuality. It was measured by a questionnaire called the Index of Homophobia. Each was shown three types of X rated videotapes: heterosexual, lesbian and gay. A plethysmograph measuring device (affectionately called a "peter meter") measured the circumference of their penis as a gauge of sexual arousal.
The two groups exhibited similar arousal when they viewed 4 minute samples taken from one heterosexual and one lesbian movie. But they responded differently to the male homosexual clip:
Degree of Tumescence: Insignificant Moderate Definite
Homophobic men 20% 26% 54%
Non-homophobic men 66% 10% 24%
The researchers concluded that these data are consistent with the belief that most homophobic men have repressed homosexual desires. An alternative, but much less likely, explanation is that the homophobic men's erections were caused by anxiety during the experiment.
Further research is needed to clarify the results and to answer questions such as whether these results would generalize to homophobic women. - kristov, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8I think you should go elsewhere since you can't figure out basic settings for this website.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -2/+10"I think we need a new word for conservative, so the two don't get confused."
How about 'stupid?' - stonebear, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6“Finally, the people depicted in this clip are extremists in some ways. We should ignore them, and they will most likely go away. Giving them so much attention (yes, I am being hypocritical) is the worst thing we could do.”
~ Theory37
That’s what the Germans did about the Nazis early on, and you see how well that turned out. Do you see any parallels here? - stonebear, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6They do. It just doesn’t get into the news very much.
http://www.mccchurch.org//AM/Template.cfm?Section=Home
http://www.allsaints-pas.org/ - rationalist, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7@codyfrisch:
"Homosexuality has never been tolerated because it does go against the way things were intended, just look at how our bodies are put together, it has a purpose. Homosexuality has left the natural purpose of our bodies, and whether you believe in creation or evolution its clearly wrong."
Then why do men have nipples, Mr. Creationist? - Web_Weasel, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6These people tend to get the legal and religious bits mixed up. Marriage is often (but not always) a religious tradition AND it is also a legal institution for determining property rights.
Gays aren't asking for the former just the latter.
As the bumper sticker says: Hate Is Not A Family Value.
EDIT: Kremvax (cool name BTW) beat me to it and said it much better. - galore, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5"So, because of "Bishop Wellington Boone, founder of the Wellington Boone Ministries", whatever the ***** that is, all conservatives are now homophobes. "
Umm. No. Not because of that Bishop.
Sorry, you can't have your cake and eat it too...
Conservatives have a homophobic reputation because there is only anti-gay legislation coming from the conservative party in power. Legislation that helps no one but hurts a lot of people while making their conservative clientele feel superior. IMO, most conservatives are homophobes and straight supremacists. - geronimo, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5My, how sad, immature, ignorant, stupid. Whoever said that has no decency nor does he have any tact or morals. Disgusting, repulsive behavior. Yet he calls himself an adult probably. Someone needs to wash that kid's mouth and revoke his Christian membership. Of course what would I know, being an evil atheist who tends to not swear and be kind to everyone no matter who they are.
- galore, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6" But bottom line is that homosexuality is abnormal behavior that leads to the extinction of many otherwise intelligent, productive genetic lines."
It is not any more abnormal than sex using a condom or with a woman on the pill. Or do you only ***** to procreate? (yeah, right) Were you born with a built-in condom (if you are a man) or a built-in hormone switch (if you are a woman)?
I can guarantee you it is easy to find a way for homosexuals to reproduce - there is always a willing lesbian and a willing gay guy. Making babies isn't exactly rocket science and it doesn't take lifelong heterosexual intercourse.
Or do you _also_ think that gay people are infertile?
Maybe we should encourage sperm donation by homosexual men and free access to sperm banks for lesbians, if we want to preserve otherwise intelligent, productive genetic lines. Along with gay marriage so that their children can grow up in a stable family unit. - galore, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5If the sin is the result of expressing an inherent trait then your argument breaks down.
It's a shame that people don't really understand that homosexuality isn't something that is chosen. Love the homosexual. Hate the homosexuality.
That is like saying love the blue eyed but hate blue eyes.
This slogan is a cop out of the most weaselish order. -
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