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- r3wind, on 08/19/2008, -0/+5Just thought i would help spread it.
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* Youtube: http://youtube.com/watch?v=KljeXhXVgsk - delboydare, on 08/19/2008, -0/+5Total political theater.
The 'so' called expert Police Counter Terrorism Officer was just there for show and to sow fear. Totally ineffective for catching criminals, but good PR. If they were serious in their search, they should have taken him away and searched all items properly.
Thanks for your cool head and quick thinking in posting the Qik. You've given me a good kick up my complacency.
This is why we should now be the citizen journalists and turn our cameras on the Watchers to make sure they are doing what they are paid to do properly and not indulge such political pantomime. - oddb0d, on 08/19/2008, -0/+4This is police state at its' worst. They have no reason to search in full view of public in a public space apart from to say "We can do what we like and you can't stop us". I'd like to see some figures about how successful this random searching really is...
- MACady, on 08/19/2008, -0/+3It's just my opinion but everyone acts like terrorism is something new and we have to have some kind of new reaction to it. Well, the facts are that terrorism has been around for a very long time. I may be off here but I believe early Christians were considered terrorist by the Roman Empire. I am American and I fully believe in our Constitution to wit, randomly stopping citizens will not achieve the stated objective of making anyone safer. I will site for my example Nazi Germany, they had a totalitarian state and look at the remarkable achievements of the Resistance, which to Germany at the time were probably considered terrorist. I feel saddened and ashamed that my Country has turned it back on it own Constitution and I have more fear of my own Government than I do of some suicide bomber. A former President of ours once said, “Only Thing We Have to Fear Is Fear Itself”; I happen to agree with him. (FDR)
- edent, on 08/19/2008, -0/+2Hello,
I'm the chap who made the film. You're right - there are far worse things that could happen to me. However, as a British Citizen, I dislike the idea that anyone can be stopped for no reason and be intimidated by the police. Your priorities may be different.
A question to you, though. When you were searched, they didn't find anything. How did that keep you - or anyone else - safe? If they'd found something - good for them, they stopped something bad happening. But if they don't find anything on ANYONE - how does that keep people safe?
Take care
T - ch1x0r8ed, on 08/19/2008, -0/+2I hate to state the obvious but being searched at the airport is standard and accepted procedure. Being "randomly" stopped in the street and treated like a suspect before it is proven that you are one, is abuse of power.
- oddb0d, on 08/19/2008, -0/+2"the alternative is far less appealing" - you mean freedom to go about your day without being searched for no reason? They don't do this for your safety, they do this to exert control over you. As I said - show me the figures that this works...
- ch1x0r8ed, on 08/19/2008, -0/+1Exacltly. Decent people are being treated like criminals all over the world now, and though I agree security measures should be put and kept in place (I too don't have a problem with co-operating with security checks at an airport for example) I don't believe in wasting time, resources and taxpayers' money on random, unsuccessful checks that prove nothing and only instil fear and paranoia in citizens. Fear makes citizens more pliable and ultimately breeds hatred (raising trends in racism and bigotry towards Islamic people for instance), and that's the last thing we need. Power to the People!
- ubadboy, on 08/19/2008, -0/+1fair enough, not exactly the most efficient search ever, ill grant you, mind you id imagine their threat list wouldn't include phones and PDA's, cyber initiatives involving high tech kit would fall under the spooks rather than the transport police, (id imagine). If your switched enough (no pun intended) to use tech to plot an attack your probably smart enough to code and encrypt it also..
I suspect they are looking for more obvious threats and to a certain extent are there to ‘be seen’ ( “why are there not more police on the streets” they cry ?) and yes i suppose that does involve a certain intimidation factor, but that’s ok, no issue with that.
I’d also argue that 300 hours of lost productivity is worth it if it means that one person gets home tonight who may not have do otherwise, matter of perspective I guess
For the record I’m British, however I’ve spent enough time in places where being white and British (yes I did just brig race into the debate) are enough of a disadvantage to make me see things slightly different. Things are tightening up, but I get more annoyed at the health and safety issues in the UK than I do about the security ones, but I guess that’s just me ( hey I like bouncy castles, ok!)
I get emotional about emotion, too many people die just for voting the wrong way, saying the wrong thing or being in the wrong place to get so annoyed about simple things, when you can’t get food because you don’t belong to the right ‘club’ or speak freely without disappearing, then we’ll talk police state
J - ch1x0r8ed, on 08/19/2008, -0/+1@ubadboy
I appreciate the points you make in this comment, it's true, we more often hear of say, a suicide bomber having succeeded than a suicide bomber being stopped.
The problem with discussing experiences is that they are always subjective, and one can't compare different experiences and contexts without taking that into account. Maybe the issue here with the emotional responses that you reference, is the fact that the United States for example has become accustomed to being a "police state" as you put it, while other parts of the world are only starting to experience it - therefor, it is shocking to them. I'm making the assumption that you're from America given your reaction - I may be wrong. For me (I am Australian) entering the States was an awful experience simply for the treatment that I got compared to other countries I've been to. Just recently I returned to Australia after being away for several months, and became quite angry at having my luggage scanned again just *after* having landed - I didn't understand what the point of that was, as my luggage had clearly been searched by security authorities somewhere along my journey and, I had no access to it since departure anyway. That to you, might seem very trivial. But as an Australian re-entering my country I was amazed. To add to the fact, I had some objects in my luggage that may have been considered to be questionable by security, but after all that, they failed to detect them. The point I'm trying to make is, perhaps these security campaigns should be re-focussed on the objective they are trying to achieve, rather than being simply an intimidation technique, a neon sign to the general public that says "yes, we are doing our jobs trying to catch terrorists".
Lastly, if the cops in the video actually knew what to look for, why did they search T's novel instead of finding the plethora of gadgets he shows in a later video that could have been used for acts of terrorism? (ie his Blackberry with a bookmarked google map of London city locations). Ultimately, it was clearly a show of power and nothing else, and THAT is the issue at hand.
Cheers. - edent, on 08/19/2008, -0/+1Afternoon,
I completely agree with you. The Security Services' failures are very public - and their successes are very private. We often only get to see the "bad" side of them. They do a tough job and get a lot of abuse for it. I'm too much of a coward to put myself in harm's way every day like they do.
I don't have a problem being stopped, per se - although it is annoying - but I do have a problem being searched so ineffectively. If you take a look at one of my replies to the video you'll see that they only gave me a cursory check. At least at the airport they x-ray everything to make sure you're not hiding a gun/bomb/bottle of water inside a tissue box. In this case, they glance, seem upset that there's no big folder saying "TOP SECRET TERRORIST PLANS" and give up.
I don't know which country you're from - but I find that a lot of people in Britain have a very deep rooted fear of fascism. I'm not naive enough to claim "OMFG POLICE STATE!" to being stopped - annoying and distressing as it is. But a lot of people (especially those whose parents escaped Europe during the war) are vigilant - perhaps over vigilant - against the return of fascism. And the first step towards that kind of rule is to stir up fear and hate in the population and use the civilian police for political purposes. Hence, I suppose, the emotional response.
There are many serious issues in the world, we can't all care about all of them. I'm glad, however, that there are people watching the police in the same way I'm watching world poverty, you're watching Corporate Crime etc.
Finally, how many "false negatives" are justified for a single "true positive". If the police stop and search 1,000 people and only find 1 terrorist - that's ~300 hours of lost productivity to the economy. Not to mention the other duties those police could be performing. It's a tough nut to crack - I don't claim to have any answers. I just wanted to share my experience with people.
How refreshing to have a civilised conversation on the Internet :-)
T - ubadboy, on 08/19/2008, -0/+0afternoon T
see that’s where we differ, I have no issue with being stopped, I have been stopped whilst travelling (due I hasten to add mainly due to where I was rather than what I look like, though thinking about it there was an element of that in the stop, I was more interested in the revolver the guy had but that’s just me..) and trust me there are far more 'interesting' ways it could be done. the way you where stopped, in my view, was neither intimidating nor threatening.
the issues with any stop and search action, and for that matter most counter terrorist activities (though I figure we may disagree about whether this action fits into that category,) is that you rarely, if ever hear when it does work, unless there is a major news story then it just does not get reported.
when the security forces miss something or fail then everyone knows, in that respect you can never know if the action actually make you safer.
So you can’t make the claim that they never find anything on anyone, nor can you clime that it’s an unwarranted action, if they pick up just one threat and save just one life....how much was your five minutes delay worth?
You may feel that this was an unnecessary stop, perhaps it was, maybe you are justified in your concern, but a major infringement on civil liberties? please not even close.
Ultimately we have different views, annoying maybe, tiresome perhaps, even an right pain in the arse, sure but nowhere near worthy of the outraged emotional responses it received, it’s just not that big a deal.
There are far more serious issues in the country / world than this, if this is your idea of a police state then you have NO IDEA what a police state is. - ubadboy, on 08/19/2008, -2/+0sigh...so sad,
the problem the security forces have is few people know when they have done a good job, only when they fail, usually because people die and the same poor darlings that are crying over their perceived loss of liberty (or whatever the latest conspiracy theory may be) end up complaining that they aren't doing enough...
show me the figure that is doesn't work,
if an officer wants to stop me randomly then fine, go ahead, want to check my bags, sure, no problem I have no issue with that other than sadness at the world environment that makes it necessary. there is nothing in there that will cause any issues.
people in the UK have no idea how lucky they really are (when it comes to personal freedom) due mainly because of the affirmative and proactive action of the security service.
As for excerpting control, yeah ok, whatever / sigh - ubadboy, on 08/19/2008, -3/+1not quite sure what you are upset about, being stopped, or that they found nothing? this whole issue smacks of hysteria on the part of individuals that really need to get a life.
i was stopped twice when flying last month, bags searched, the lot, didn;t mind a bit, I'd done nothing wrong had nothing to hide and was more than happy to accomodate the staff due their jobs to help safeguard my and my families saftey.
the alternative is far less appealing, i feel sorry for those that are so upset over such a minor issue, poor darlings
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