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CNN's Lou Dobbs: Big media hides truth about immigration

cnn.com — Lou Dobbs contends that leaders in Washington, D.C., along with the national media, should tell us more about immigration.

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  • pintomp3, on 10/12/2007, -52/+25america was founded on illegal immigration. and it's not like mexicans are coming here and wiping out the existing inhabitants through blankets riddled with small pox. europeans came here, exterminated the current residents, and then declare it illegal for anyone else to come.
    • tsoldrin, on 10/12/2007, -12/+27All these arguments could be said about Mexicans as well, since they are descended in part from the Spanish conquerers. There are as many indigenous natives in Mexico as there are in the U.S. or Canada and the Mexican imigrants, legal and illegal, aren't among them.

      Have any idea what a Native American looks like? Here's a hint... not at all like the Mexicans that play them in the movies.
    • futureb, on 10/12/2007, -37/+15as soon as lou dobbs and others will admit that "illegal immigrant" is a code phrase for "brown people", then we can have an honest conversation about this issue. all this rhetoric about "illegality" and "border security" is totally dishonest.

      so to the anti-immigrant crowd out there: let me recommend a group for you to join. hint: it's not the republican party. you guys totally agree on this issue!

      http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2007-02-08-kkk-immigration_x.htm
    • KuntaKinte, on 10/12/2007, -33/+16lou dobbs is a *****
    • nixonrichard, on 10/12/2007, -8/+43Does anyone else find it odd that the world's (and US's) second largest news organization is claiming "big media" is hiding the truth? All he has to do is report the truth and, magically, big media ISN'T hiding the truth.
    • Pile, on 10/12/2007, -25/+9Am I the only one who figures some Mexican must have bonked Lou Dobbs wife or something, and now he has a complex about immigrants?

    • skyshock21, on 10/12/2007, -3/+20Oh for god's sake, what can they tell us that we don't already know?!?!

      JUST LOOK AROUND!!!!
    • nestafett, on 10/12/2007, -14/+3@tsol
      but in mexico there was alot more mating with the natives so where in america we just killed the locals off, in mexico they married them.
      but yes, either way the english, the spainards, the french, we were all "illegal"
      you ever seen this shirt?...http://www.the13thstory.com/krg/HomelandSecurity1492.jpg
    • Schrodinger, on 10/12/2007, -16/+6That is why America is the most powerful country in the world and Canada has an almost as good standard of living and are both white country, while all of latin america(from mexico to argentina) is a mestizo, mixed-race, non-white *****. We kept it mighty whitey. Digg me down but you know it's true. Look at Australia and New Zealand. Look at South Africa. It happened all over the world the same. You can't deny facts.
    • InsultComedy, on 10/12/2007, -3/+10This has nothing to do with race. It has everything to do with corporate botton line. Bush is for this open border plan. Ask yourself why.
    • InsultComedy, on 10/12/2007, -2/+16Schrodinger

      Dude, Bush is white. He's for the open immigration. It's not a white and brown issue. It's all about the centralized power. Corporations in bed with the government.
    • donkeydrop, on 10/12/2007, -10/+5This guy is a pathetic joke. " ..the industries in which illegal aliens are employed in the greatest percentages also are suffering the largest wage declines" Yeah, right. All those illegal aliens are taking jobs at the big auto companies and for major airlines, and forcing the unions to agree to huge pay cuts? LOL. They are doing minimum wage jobs (or even below minimum wage) that nobody born in the US even wants to do because they can make twice as much flipping burgers.
    • bobburn, on 10/12/2007, -7/+4@tsoldrin

      As an Amerindian, I can tell you first hand that the tribes of the Southwest/Western part of the United States look VERY similar to the mostly (yes, mostly) Amerindian populations of Mexico. The fact that only 10% of Mexicans are majority European (Spanish) speaks for itself. Some 30% are 100% Amerindian and the other 60% are Mestizo with a majority of Amerindian heritage.

      Here's a Mexican:
      http://www.magiccitymedia.com/user/Mexican%20violinist.jpg

      Here's a Jicarilla Apache man (my tribe):
      http://www.jicarilla.net/Ollie%20Portrait.jpg

      Now a non-SW/W Indian (also looks strikingly Similar)hmmm Sitting Bull:

      http://imagecache2.allposters.com/images/pic/122/019_1403~Sitting-Bull-Posters.jpg

      Mexican Man (Compare to the Jicarilla Apache):

      http://www.pocho.com/news/2001/askthegente/mexican.rebate.guy.jpg


      Please, stop spouting off your BS unless you actually know something. We don't all have feathers in our hair, and we don't all look like the '1/16ers.'
    • lcohiomatty86, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5everybody reading this MUST keep in mind that this article is an opinion piece, only the thoughts of the author... NOT WHAT CNN THINKS


      my 2 cents...
    • Konrad9, on 10/12/2007, -5/+2What ever happened to "Give me your tired and your poor"?
    • dy01, on 10/12/2007, -2/+2@Schrodinger

      Dude, don't even talk about Canada unless you've come up here and seen the ground reality. Toronto, the world's most multicultural city, is already more than half ethnic minorities (read: non-white) and Montreal and Vancouver (the second and third largest cities) are going to reach that point in the next five years. Canada is definitely not a white only country anymore and hasn't been for more than a decade now.

      Also, might I point out amazingly successful non-white cities like Dubai, Singapore and Hong Kong. Not everything good on this planet comes from the white race. Get over your racism.
    • LordSnooze, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2You don't think immigration is really that big of a deal??? Watch this....
      http://www.digg.com/videos/educational/You_don_t_think_immigration_is_really_that_big_of_a_deal_Watch_this
  • fuckingusername, on 10/12/2007, -22/+7its called and invasion
    • haydesigner, on 10/12/2007, -2/+8It is called proofreading before posting.
  • tbilltthemonkey, on 10/12/2007, -21/+9Save what are called "Native Americans", or more commonly "Indians," simply because of Columbus' mistake, we are all "illegal immigrants."
    And even Native Americans haven't always been here. It is rumored they came around the time of the Ice Age, when the Bering Strait froze over, providing a "bridge" to Alaska, Canada, continental US, etc.
    Calling someone an illegal immigrant in this country is hypocrisy.
    • Scheissen, on 10/12/2007, -10/+25Of course Native Americans came from Siberia during the Ice Age but that doesn't make them illegals but indigenous peoples.

      The Mexicans that are crossing the border ILLEGALLY. They should be checking into customs for security purposes and to not rupture the ecosystem by bringing in harmful plants and animals.
    • dorshorst, on 10/12/2007, -9/+18Yes, the Europeans invaded America and took it over from the natives. And now they don't want someone else to do the same thing. That's not hypocrisy, that's called learning from other's mistakes.

      And as Scheissen said, even if we do decide to open immigration up completely, it still has to be done legally through the proper channels, so we know who and what is coming in.
    • Fhionnlaoch, on 10/12/2007, -2/+10"Calling someone an illegal immigrant in this country is hypocrisy."

      I don't think so. My ancestors weren't immigrants, but colonists of the British Empire. The Crown claimed the land, while respecting indigenous property in treaty, and the indigenous peoples really didn't protest (at least, not in Canada).

      Of course, if you still feel it is hypocrisy, I invite you to buy me a plane ticket back to England, or Ireland, whichever you wish because I certainly wouldn't mind moving there.
    • graberc, on 10/12/2007, -2/+1@Fhionnlaoch

      You should look that up in the dictionary. I think it comes with your statement. . .to paraphrase.

      When my ancestors came to America we were allowed in because we were legal. THen my ancestors change the laws so that everyone after them was now illegal. Now i'm against illegal immigration, because my ancestors didn't want anyone else in.
    • dy01, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1@Fhionnlaoch

      im·mi·grant /ˈɪmɪgrənt/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[im-i-gruhnt] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
      –noun
      1. a person who migrates to another country, usually for permanent residence.

      That would include your ancestors who left their homeland to come settle permanently in North America. Referring to them as colonists instead of immigrants is like splitting hair.
  • tekkie001, on 10/12/2007, -7/+40They are called illegal because they are breaking current immigration laws. If you don't think they should be called that, write your Congressperson and tell them about it. Maybe the law will change. Until then, they are nothing more than illegal immigrants, regardless of race, religion, or country of origin. This doesn't mean I don't sympathize with their reasons for coming here. I just don't think it's fair for some to do it legally, and others to feel like they don't need to obey our laws. It's not fair to current citizens and it's not fair to immigrants awaiting citizenship through the legal channel. The need to screen the people coming here was going on in the early days too, Ellis Island for example. We must know the medical and mental state of immigrants coming here to avoid potential problems such as the transmission of diseases we have rendered obsolete in America. We should also know the intention of people coming to our country. All nations have a mechanism for entering and leaving, and it's not a river.
    • shawnbttu, on 10/12/2007, -18/+5Hey Dobbs

      Suck me bitch

      Guy's a nutjob whose life work seems to be to hunt down innocent people in the name of the law. Millions of illegal immigrants? Wanna kick them out? Great..tell me how douchebag, and if you have no clue (which he doesnt btw, he NEVER puts forth a alternate solution)....go ***** yourself in ur wrinkly white ass

      Pardon my french folks, but this douchebag really pisses me off
    • Dewhead, on 10/12/2007, -1/+9I would want a better life too, but being an illegal immigrant is not a better way of life. If someone comes here illegally they will not assimilate and they will never really be a part of the society and therefore never recieve the benefits of being part of a community. They will always be on the outside and that isn't good for anyone. I think as a country we should welcome legal immigration and if the current system makes it too difficult to become a citizen then changes should be considered.

      However, I think that alot of the illegals do not want to be Americans---and that is okay to but taxpayers shouldn't have to educate their children, pay their medical bills and take care of them. As taxpayers we should get some benefit from our investment. Integrating a future American citizen into a full fledged member of our society is a very worthwhile investment, but endlessly throwing money at illegal immigrants isn't doing anything for them or for America.
    • graberc, on 10/12/2007, -3/+1And if the laws were modified we wouldn't have the problem. Instead we create laws that prevent the natural flow of job seekers from coming in - so those people who are to poor for your "process" are forced to find another way in.

      SO if we wanted to help stop drug trade; slow disease; etc we should put an end to the market for a shadow tunnel and instead allow more people in illegaly
    • ogden, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5Worse than the complete destruction of our tax base is the complete destruction of our culture. This simply isn't the place I grew up in. Change is inevitable... but this wasn't. In every town and city in the state you can find a barrio, 24-48 hour waits at waiting rooms, schools bursting with illegals, and the infrastructure of our state is being neglected because illegals are consuming all of our tax dollars.

      Then they march in the streets saying "Give us more! You owe us! We broke the law fair and square!" They have a massive sense of entitlement.

      I would have preferred Mexico became like the United States, not the United States became like Mexico.
    • dy01, on 10/12/2007, -3/+1@dewhead

      Your logic makes no sense. Illegals move to the United States ... because they don't want to belong to the United States??? No! They come here illegally because there's a very high economic pressure pushing them in that direction and considering their poverty in their home country they have no option but to risk their lives for a better future. Sure, they can't be citizens but most of them hope one day their children can be proudly American. I would think that these people who risked their lives just to cross the border would wish to become American citizens more than most others.
    • dy01, on 10/12/2007, -3/+1@ogden

      Its America. Change and immigration are inevitable. Ever watched Gangs of New York? The movie might be fictional but it delivers a very powerful message. They used to say the same thing about the Irish that they say about Mexicans now. They're dirty, they're changing our culture, they're a burden on our society, they're criminals, the whole shebang. Look at the descendants of those same Irish people now. They are full blood proud Americans. Given one or two generations, Mexican children will be like that. If you don't like change, America is probably not the best of places for you.
  • InfamousAtheist, on 10/12/2007, -17/+4Lou must be talking about the OTHER members of the MSM hiding the "truth" about immigration...

    Because Lou wouldn't ever shade the truth to fit his agenda or anything. Nah, not him.
    • Farik, on 10/12/2007, -6/+14Lou is the Keith Olbermann of CNN, one of the few that ask questions about the issues (specifically his stance on illegal immigration and the middle class).
  • beean45, on 10/12/2007, -18/+2I think Lou Dobbs got it wrong (again). People should tell leaders in Washington D.C. what the most Americans have already decided.

    Public favors giving illegal immigrants a break: http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2007-04-18-illegal-immigrants_N.htm?csp=34
    • LonewackoDotCom, on 10/12/2007, -7/+11The story you provide is an excellent example of media bias. You can find out how USA Today tried (and succeeded) at misleading you here:

      http://lonewacko.com/blog/archives/006567.html
    • whipnet, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5I have never seen a more slated poll. How stupid do they think we are?

      It would be almost scary if it was not coming from USA Today. What a trash rag.

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    • beean45, on 10/12/2007, -3/+0I never assumed the 78% of people want amnesty which the article itself doesn't state either. 78% of the people believe that the illegal immigrants here should have a road to citizenship and that is exactly what the article said.
  • ninephoenixes, on 10/12/2007, -14/+10Does he ever talk about anything other than immigration and the middle class?
    • bpmox, on 10/12/2007, -17/+5I was just thinking the same thing. ***** Lou Dobbs' canned outrage.
  • Onebaseman, on 10/12/2007, -17/+8Why can't one of the immigrants Dobbs always rails against take HIS job?

    I'd really like for that bigot to be off the air.
    • Cam_86, on 10/12/2007, -1/+23How is he a bigot? Is it bigoted to say blacks account for a disproportionately large amount of crime?
      Facts cant be racist... And the fact is, the people sneaking into America are coming from south America and Mexico, so OBVIOUSLY dobbs will focus on the Mexican govt's complacency in enforcing their own laws, and the American govt's work on the southern boarder.
    • Onebaseman, on 10/12/2007, -5/+2Well Cam (funny that I'm more liberal than you on this issue)

      Dobbs has repeatedly made references to Mexican immigrants being dangerous due to carrying diseases, he wishes to ban any display of ethnic heritage other than what he deems to be traditionally American (he's called for banning St. Patrick's Day), and he has repeatedly had people from white supremacist groups on his show to speak out against immigration.

      http://ipsnews.net/news.asp?idnews=33815
    • dy01, on 10/12/2007, -3/+1@Cam

      Actually, the US also get a lot of illegals from Eastern Europe, the former USSR and China but those don't make for juicy stories.

      /sarcasm We gotta go after those damn Mexicans and their dirty ways! /sarcasm
  • masterofNone, on 10/12/2007, -9/+4the media covers that which gets ratings for better or worse. that means deep coverage of anna nicole smith and o.j. simpson and shallow coverage of weightier issues.

    but, really, who is lou dobbs kidding? he is big media as much as anyone else on the planet.
    • skippy, on 10/12/2007, -2/+14Lou Dobbs left CNN once when they wouldn't let him report on what he feels important. They begged him to come back a few years later.

      He had no coverage on the death of Anna Nicole Smith.
  • jmpeagle, on 10/12/2007, -15/+3why the hell is there even a such thing as legal vs. illegal immigration? As long as you don't have a criminal record you should be allowed to live anywhere you want. Ironically we could make up the tax dollars we lose on immigrants by legalizing them.
    • smartmlp, on 10/12/2007, -1/+13Oh? any lets go ahead allow the economy collapse at the same time. There is not enough to go around. Do you want everyone to have the same life if that means a mediocre one, or do you want some people to have a great life like you are living now?
    • nestafett, on 10/12/2007, -14/+2I read a few reports about how they contribute alot more to the economy than they take out.
      and as far as tax dollars go, ive worked in restaurants for 8 years now so i know plenty of illegals and they use fake s.s. numbers to get their jobs, when tax time rolls around they dont do them since they know they would get found out, so the money that they woudv'e gotten in a refund goes back to the federal and state govts.
    • shrek79, on 10/12/2007, -1/+16They're already giving them Social Security and health care which they have not contributed to.
    • duggudown, on 10/12/2007, -7/+2@ shrek79

      How? You need a birth certificate or green card to get a social security number. How would they be able to collect social security? with what documents?
    • nestafett, on 10/12/2007, -6/+2@shrek
      how the hell are they getting health care and social security? if by health care you mean that a hospital cannot refuse them at the emergency room then yes they are getting "health care" but they are by no means getting access to free doctors or things like that.
      and if they are please tell me how because i want to go see a doctor.
      and in order to get social security you need a birth certificate or an active social security number.
      Im sorry that you have believed everything rush limbaugh tells you, but its simply not factually true.
  • subarusqueege, on 10/12/2007, -6/+9Call a spade a spade..........I guess you would expect the illegals to follow laws once they get here illegally, right?
    • masterofNone, on 10/12/2007, -14/+5actually its a fairly well documented statistic that illegal immigrants have a much lower incident of arrest than any other segment of the population.

      way lower than teenage white guys.
    • nestafett, on 10/12/2007, -11/+3@sub yeah, and your point?
      (and please dont say that becasue they broke a law to get into this country that they would have no respect for our laws once here, unless you actually have some sort of facts to back that up
    • duggudown, on 10/12/2007, -13/+2Well? You're right but when have you seen a illegal immigrant go on a anarchist rampage just because he's here illegally already. Why would most of them come here and almost die on the way here just to end up in jail?

      Yes, They broke a law by coming here illegally but that doesn't mean they're coming to rob banks, blow up buildings, and shoot people in colleges. Also remember most illegal immigrants you don't hear about come here legally, BS you say? Well what do you think happens when a visa expires and they don't leave? They become illegal immigrants....

    • shrek79, on 10/12/2007, -3/+8@nestafett

      http://wcco.com/crime/local_story_102005000.html

      People in MN said give him a break. He showed who he really is.
    • nestafett, on 10/12/2007, -3/+2@shrek, good point! yeah, lets take an example of one person and base an entire culture on it,
      no wait a second, that would be called prejudice now wouldn't it?
  • comedianX, on 10/12/2007, -16/+4The same exact things people say about Mexican immigrants was said about Irish, Italian, German immigrants. (They don't learn the language, they take jobs, they retain their culture, etc.) This is nothing to worry about.
    • whipnet, on 10/12/2007, -1/+11They DID learn our language. I don't see Italian, German signs all over the place.

      Oh yeah, and they came here LEGALLY.

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    • bobburn, on 10/12/2007, -7/+3Yes, they learned the language---several generations later. Wonder why theirs the name "kindergarten" in schools? That's a German word. When they came over, they stayed in their own communities, spoke German, had school in German, and had Church in German. A couple of generations down the line, they switched over to English--it's the same with EVERY group. First generation speakers generally take 5-10 years to become fluent, 2nd generations speak a mixture of both but are fluent in both and by the time the 3rd generation comes around the old Country's language is dead.

      Came here legally? Oh, you mean when the US opened all the immigration checks to bring in workers for the factories during the industrial revolution? Yeah, legally--didn't learn the language, didn't take a test..it's the same thing right? I mean, they're pale of skin so they must be good citizens.

      Take a poli sci 101 class, a sociology 101 class, anything. It'll do you some good.
    • Lionstone, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6"Yes, they learned the language---several generations later. Wonder why theirs the name "kindergarten" in schools? That's a German word."

      Hey Poli Sci Genius - Kindergarten is a German word that means garden of children and the practice actually started in Britain. But it's part of the English lexicon. Pendejo and most of the words you see in Home Depot are NOT.

      Show me where the US allowed people to come here undocumented... EVER.

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  • tomis, on 10/12/2007, -16/+2Considering America was started by stealing the land from its native inhabitants, I'd say we're all illegally here anyway. So who cares! If someone from down south can do the job better than someone from up north, hire them. The only reason it's illegal is because our government decided it was. That doesn't actually mean they're doing anything wrong.

    If the government changed the law so that they're not illegal, then they'd just be people who moved to a new place in order to have a better life. Which is what people have been doing for millions of years.
    • minox, on 10/12/2007, -2/+12Good idea. Lets base our form of government on your feelings.
    • whipnet, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7Millions of years? Grab a book every now and then..

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    • bobburn, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2Millions? About 60k (from current dating in South America/Central America) and 50k in parts of North America.

      Also, for those who think it was 'the land bridge,' the extent of that migration ended midway between Alaska and the US border. The other peoples of the Americas came via boat/canoe/raft from several of the Polynesian islands and there is also evidence to some Amerindian populations (Southern tip of SA) having been on the Continent prior to the migration via water or land.
  • punkisnotdead, on 10/12/2007, -17/+3I think it is pretty funny that Lou Dobbs can complain all day long about the "big liberal media" but when people ask questions like "Why are we still in Iraq" the same big media fails us but the conservatives are nowhere to be found.
    • skippy, on 10/12/2007, -1/+13You have never watched Lou Dobbs have you. He reports deaths and casualties from Iraq every day, including the overall numbers.
  • danknerd, on 10/12/2007, -14/+4so if the MSM lies about immigration, they probably lie about other things too... like 9/11 and what really happened
    • minox, on 10/12/2007, -4/+8Good job introducing 9/11 into the discussion. You really must be ***** insane.
  • shadows88, on 10/12/2007, -12/+1Lou Dobbs is probably the most bigoted and stereotyping anchor on CNN. All he does is constantly demonize Mexicans and any other economic power that threatens U.S. stability.
  • OldRick, on 10/12/2007, -2/+21"...people say about Mexican immigrants was said about Irish, Italian, German immigrants..."

    Nonsense. The European immigrants were arriving in accordance with the immigration laws of the time. Some didn't like that, but they were indeed legal, and arriving at a time when the country needed settlers. My ancestors were among them.

    Lou is right on target - we need to control our immigration, and we need to control global population growth, which is, after all, the root cause of global warming...
    • dy01, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1@oldrick

      Population growth is the root cause of global warming. Uhhh, no! Its the unprecedented burning of fossil fuels. If you have a large population but are willing to restrict your usage of fossil fuels, it will stop global warming in its tracks. That is clear from the fact that increases in CO2 levels in the atmosphere have greatly outpaced population growth.

      Another great example is China whose population has stabilized due to their aggressive population control campaign but their fossil fuel emissions are raging out of control.
  • patience, on 10/12/2007, -13/+4Immigration, outsourcing, immigration, outsourcing.
    Dobbs sounds like a broken drum. Its like hearing your grandpappy whine about
    the good all days when everyone knew their place.
    • bigtrouble77, on 10/12/2007, -1/+13He keeps talking about those issues because he thinks they are eroding the quality of life within this country. They are two HUGE issues that usually only get sporadic attention by the rest of the media. He's committed to making a difference, not for getting phenominal ratings (and he does get pretty good ratings).
  • OldRick, on 10/12/2007, -1/+19And P.S. - the idea that 15 million illegals should be allowed to bring in another 40 million of their extended families is truly insane. If they want to immigrate here to find a job, because their own political system cannot provide one, I see no reason why that should imply that whole families are somehow entitled to follow along.

    Maybe instead, they could change their own policies and create a real economy in Mexico.


    • patience, on 10/12/2007, -11/+2US. One of the few country's where the colonizers never left.
      The British left India, the French left Southeast Asia, the Boers gave up South Africa.

      Illegals my ass. We only been here 200 years and we came as illegals.
      Shutting down the borders makes no sense. Whats needed is an economic solution.
      Supply and demand, dim dums.

    • darthJon, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5don't forgot the welfare those 60 million would get, paid for by you and me
    • bobburn, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3Are you aware that's how they currently do it with all immigrants? Once one person gets legal status they can bring their brothers, sisters, parents, children and grandparents.

      It's not just a Mexican thing.
    • Lionstone, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4patience said - "US. One of the few country's where the colonizers never left.
      The British left India, the French left Southeast Asia, the Boers gave up South Africa.

      Illegals my ass. We only been here 200 years and we came as illegals.
      Shutting down the borders makes no sense. Whats needed is an economic solution.
      Supply and demand, dim dums."


      -When you say left, I think you mean relinquish control of their government. In case the obvious fact that you have never picked up a history book is true... The British relinquished control of the US on November 25th, 1783

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  • p51d007, on 10/12/2007, -8/+14I was BORN in this country, that makes ME a native American.
    Personally, I could give a hoot who comes here, BUT, come here L-E-G-A-L-L-Y,
    speak E-N-G-L-I-S-H, get a job, do what you can to live within the laws, and
    we'll get along just fine. Want to smoke dope, pray to whoever, screw sheep
    for all I care as long as it is inside your own home. DO NOT tell me I have to
    accept the laws of whatever god forsaken country you came from, or, learn
    YOUR language, or customs. YOU came HERE, I didn't come to your
    country. Hell, in a lot of countries, if you ILLEGALLY enter, you can be
    arrested and jailed! Here, we give you welfare and everyfrickin' thing you
    want.
    I say we do like they did in the old west to control the coyotes from killing
    cattle. You shoot one on the property line and hang the caucus on the
    fence. The others will get the idea soon enough.
    (yes, I know the liberal attitude of digg will dig this down, ain't freedom of
    speech a bitch?)
    • duggudown, on 10/12/2007, -14/+31. You're a M-O-R-O-N
      2. Freedom of speech is the freedom to say what you want not for others to agree with you..
      3. You are an american not a native american....
      4. How can you have freedom of SPEECH if it's only english? You're a tool, first learn english and what SPEECH means!
      5. No one is asking you to learn anything!! Who if forcing you to learn another language?
      6. How do illegal get everyfrickin' thing they want? what do they get?

      By the way learn ENGLISH first before talking about learning english....
    • shrek79, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3@DUGGUDOWN

      http://www.cis.org/articles/2004/fiscalexec.html

      They get it. Some way or another.
    • dy01, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1@p5

      Did you just suggest shooting a Mexican and then hanging his/her dead body on the Mexican-US border? You sound like a really humane and caring person. ::eyeroll::
  • vondur, on 10/12/2007, -1/+17Most of the people who are American and discount the illegal immigration crisis that we are facing are usually people from areas where it is not an issue yet. But here in So. California, its a huge issue. Just a few quick examples. Over the last 10 years here we have lost almost 60% of the emergency rooms in hospitals here because of illegals. If you show up to a hospital, they have to treat you, and if the hospital can not get the county or state to pay up for it, they lose that money. End result, hospital closes money losing emergency room. In education here in California a large portion of teacher training is spent on making teachers work with non english speaking children of illegals. As a result, less time spent on the english speaking kids, which means a lower quality of education for all. A large chunk of jobs is gone now too. It used to be that the construction industry would give decent pay. In the early 80's you could expect a job in the teens per hour. Now with all of the illegals willing to work for less, the job pays half that, in todays dollars. Not to say that I can blame the Mexicans for wanting to come over, if I lived in Mexico with no prospects, the United States would seem like a good place for me too. I believe the repealing of NAFTA would be a good first start.
    • chicofaraby, on 10/12/2007, -4/+2@vondur
      "Over the last 10 years here we have lost almost 60% of the emergency rooms in hospitals here because of illegals."

      Is there any sort of support for this claim? Some numbers that show 60% of California's ERs have closed?

      Are there figures that show illegal immigrants caused any hospital to close it's ER?
    • dy01, on 10/12/2007, -2/+1@vondur

      Considering Canada is one of the biggest trading partners and the largest market for American exports, I think repealing NAFTA would hurt the American economy enough to send it into a deep recession. I suggest you do your research before mouthing off about stuff you don't know about.
  • JoLars, on 10/12/2007, -11/+1Don't you just love Lou Dobbs? Complaining about Big Media while wearing a thousand dollar suit. As if anchoring CNN is working graveyard at a college radio station. Welcome to Boogie Man Journalism. The Outrage Game. All you have to do to remain arrogant and clueless is make sure you learn nothing about the the families living on two sides of the border.... or about agri-business and how it has built decades of success based on keeping 'illegal aliens' illegal. What is so alien about them, Lou? Better build that wall, I'm sure that will work.
  • WTFukowi, on 10/12/2007, -1/+9Decisions of this magnitude should not be made before thorough studies of the long term impact have been made. Every American should be made well aware of realistic numbers and what to expect life in the future AMerica. SEEMS NO GOVERNMENT OFFICIALS WANT TO DO THIS.
  • InsultComedy, on 10/12/2007, -3/+10Hmmm. If Bush is for illegal immigration you have to ask yourself why. Since he was elected we've lost 8 million factory jobs. It's all to pad the stocks of the rich elite. Profits go up!!! Union pay disappears. Benefits, pensions, all out the door.

    In programming language: If Bush is for it, it must be *****.
    • GonzoLiga, on 10/12/2007, -5/+2I think if we lost factory jobs, it's because the Industrial Age has been over for some time. How many "Future Shock"-type information age jobs have we lost?

    • InsultComedy, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3I just mentioned one aspect, but in many ways factory workers give us a strong back bone and work ethic. Tech jobs are moving out, too, but it's a bit easier since we are still leaders in high-tech innovations. At least for now. Freedom plus a happy middle class creates innovation.
  • czernel, on 10/12/2007, -0/+181. The purpose of U.S. immigration policy is to benefit the citizens of the United States.
    2. Since immigration policy can profoundly shape a country, it should be set by deliberate actions, not by accident or acquiescence, with careful consideration to ensure that it does not adversely affect the quality of life of American citizens and their communities.
    3. Immigration policy should be based on and adhere to the rule of law. Immigration laws must be enforced consistently and uniformly throughout the United States.
    4. Non-citizens enter the United States as guests and must obey the rules governing their entry. The U.S. government must track the entry, stay, and departure of all visa-holders to ensure that they comply fully with the terms of their visas, or to remove them if they fail to comply.
    5. The borders of the United States must be physically secured at the earliest possible time. An effective barrier to the illegal entry of both aliens and contraband is vital to U.S. security.
    6. Those responsible for facilitating illegal immigration shall be sought, arrested and prosecuted to the full extent of the law and shall forfeit any profits from such activity. This applies to smugglers and traffickers of people, as well as to those involved in the production, procurement, distribution, or use of fraudulent or counterfeit documents.
    7. U.S. employers shall be given a simple and streamlined process to determine whether employees are legally eligible to work. Employers who obey the law shall be protected both from liability and from unfair competition by those who violate immigration law. The violators shall be subject to fines and taxes in excess of what they would have paid to employ U.S. citizens and legal residents for the same work.
    8. Those who enter or remain in the United States in violation of the law shall be detained and removed expeditiously. Illegal aliens shall not accrue any benefit, including U.S. citizenship, as a result of their illegal entry or presence in the United States.
    9. No federal, state or local entity shall reward individuals for violating immigration laws by granting public benefits or services, or by issuing or accepting any form of identification, or by providing any other assistance that facilitates unlawful presence or employment in this country. All federal and law enforcement agencies shall cooperate fully with federal immigration authorities, and shall report to such authorities any information they receive indicating that an individual may have violated immigration laws.
    10. Illegal aliens currently in the United States may be afforded a one-time opportunity to leave the United States without penalty and seek permission to reenter legally if they qualify under existing law. Those who do not take advantage of this opportunity will be removed and permanently barred from returning.
    ~NumbersUSA 10 Principles For Immigration Reform
  • 3tcp, on 10/12/2007, -11/+2Lou Dobbs is a hardcore isolationist. He's Pat Buchanan without the failed presidential runs. It should be no surprise that Dobbs is trying to scare people into agreeing with his position. Immigration is something that is good for the country but the illegal immigration is a complicated issue. His conspiracy theories are inaccurate.
    • InsultComedy, on 10/12/2007, -3/+9I guess you agree with Bush that an open border immigration policy is better for America. Immigration is good, but not illegal immigration.
    • 3tcp, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1I don't agree with Bush about open borders but we do need a reasonable plan to allow illegal immigrants who have already incorporated themselves into american society to attain citizenship.

      The need for increased immigration of educated people from places like India and China is something that business types have been talking about for years. The restrictions on immigration for well educated people who could get good jobs here in industries where there's a shortage of workers have led to a lot of the outsourcing problems that people bitch about.
  • AmericanEmpire, on 10/12/2007, -5/+7AMERICA IS GOING THE WAY OF ANCIENT ROME. READ UP ON IT AND YOU WILL UNDERSTAND WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT. BARBARIANS AT THE GATES! IN OUR CASE, MY PERSONAL OPINIONS IS "BARBARIANS" ARE INDIVIDUAL OF ANY RACE OR NATIONALITY WHO WISH NOT TO ASSIMILATE INTO MAINSTREAM AMERICA. ONCE THE AMERICAN CULTURE IS GONE AMERICA AS WE KNOW IT WILL BE NO LONGER. LONG LIVE THE AMERICAN EMPIRE.

    www.theamericanempireco.com
    www.myspace.com/theamericanempirecompany
    • InsultComedy, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8You are so wrong. It's not the barbarians outside, it's the numbskulls within that destroy civilizations. No one conquered Rome. It destroyed itself neglecting its middle class in favor of the wealthy and entertaining a massive lower class in order to distract and dumb down.
    • mechnoch, on 10/12/2007, -7/+3Christianity destroyed Rome, IMHO.
    • Gaki, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Roman immigration laws were actually pretty inclusive. From early on in the Republican era, they realized they needed manpower. A city-state just didn't have the men to conquer and hold large tracts of land without help. The first step was extending the vote and citizenship to the Italian tribes nearby, but it ultimately ended up with allowing Germanics to cross the Rhine and settle within Roman lands. After a few decades of that, it was only a short time before some Germanics became military leaders, etc. and took on Roman names.

      In Gaul, it got to the point where the majority of the men in the legions were Germanic.
  • chicofaraby, on 10/12/2007, -8/+1Immigration laws are bad laws like the drug laws. They are unenforcable. They make regular people into criminals for no good reason. They are all about fattening law enforcement and the prison industry on the blood of the poor and the brown.

  • xmuzik, on 10/12/2007, -7/+2someone needs to pull Lou Dobbs to the side and clue him in on the fact that he works for big media, then they need to beam him back to the mothership
    • ritad, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3I guess you would rather watch Katy on ABC? Give me Dobbs every night, you get em Lou!
  • diddye, on 10/12/2007, -1/+9Illegal immigration supporters can NEVER answer this question:

    When can/should the illegal immigration end? Should it be limitless? Should we allow anybody to come here? Because if so, I bet China wouldn't be the largest country in the world-the US would. Hence, the need for immigration enforcement. We need to protect American citizens first-especially since we're not doing such a great job so far.
    • chicofaraby, on 10/12/2007, -10/+1"When can/should the illegal immigration end?"

      Tomorrow. Congress could de-criminalize immigration and that would end illegal immigration.

      Was that supposed to be a hard question?
    • bobzibub, on 10/12/2007, -7/+1It is migration, illegal or not. The US can't stop it, no more than they could stop the waters rising in New Orleans.

      They could further criminalize all of them, but that would drive them underground. All Americans would then have to be stopped and asked for their papers. Hands up who wants that. Plus, illegal immigrants switching to crime (stealing etc) to make ends meet. Now there's a policy.

      If the US really wanted to slow illegal immigration, it would raise the minimum wage. (Hear me out)!!! Say there is not 3% unemployment (near lowest possible) but with 10% unemployment, the jobs would go to Americans first, right? All employers would get serious about hiring Americans first.

      Plus, Lou should really think harder about people in the lowest rungs of US society. Is it sufficient to remove competition for low end jobs? That's some vision. Say Lou (and numbers usa) get their wish and all the "illegals" magically leave. Low income people will just compete via trade with the poor, and.... stay poor.

      Any one ever mention training? Vocational training for low income people for freak'n sake already! That way their income will rise and you won't have the US being 2/3rds 1st world and 1/3 3rd world. You have poor municipalities with poor schools because the tax base is (wait for it.....) Poor! Bushie's solution is to run a shell game with the poor municipalities and just cycle through (by closing) the lowest scoring schools. There's a radical fix for ya.

      Instead, why not simply change the tax base for schools to the state level? Duh.

      Blame of foreigners for bad local policy is nothing new. Probably as old as politics itself.

      Plus, if I haven't pissed everyone off yet:
      "And you are to love those who are aliens, for you yourselves were aliens in Egypt." Deuteronomy 10:18-19
    • graberc, on 10/12/2007, -3/+0I can answer this.

      It comes down to the foundation of American markets - aka Free market. Assuming you mean "when does Immigration" end - not illegal immigration. . .

      Immigration is solely based on the number of persons wanting to hire someone within the United States. So no limit to immigration just as long as they can get -and maintain - a job. Transportation is paid for by either the worker or the job. The person is free to quit at any time if they have another US job or want to go home.

      Your comment about china is miss-guided at the best. The GDP is not growing fast enough to fuel enough low wage jobs for us surpass China. In fact, I doubt the populations of Latin America combined wouldn't equal China's population.

    • graberc, on 10/12/2007, -2/+0I can answer this.

      It comes down to the foundation of American markets - aka Free market. Assuming you mean "when does Immigration" end - not illegal immigration. . .

      Immigration is solely based on the number of persons wanting to hire someone within the United States. So no limit to immigration just as long as they can get -and maintain - a job. Transportation is paid for by either the worker or the job. The person is free to quit at any time if they have another US job or want to go home.

      Your comment about china is miss-guided at the best. The GDP is not growing fast enough to fuel enough low wage jobs for us surpass China. In fact, I doubt the populations of Latin America combined wouldn't equal China's population.
  • gnixon70, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6Being from Houston I see a lot of illegal immigrants, or whatever the political correct term is today. While I do say we should support the laws on the books, I don't think we should round everyone up and ship them back. Something clearly has to be done to fix this.

    I think everyone would have to agree that there has to be limits to our generosity however. If we open our borders we would be overrun and our hospitals, schools, and other social services would go bankrupt.

    The system is clearly broken. I know of college educated people that come here seeking citizenship spending up to ten years plus sometimes trying to obtain it. There has to be a way to streamline the immigration process and cut the fat out of it.

    There are no easy answers to this. If your for illegal immigration, your against the American work force, if your against it, your labeled a raciest. Emotions tend to run high on this issue.

    The answer has to be looked at logically and without strong emotion on either side of the spectrum to get comprehensive reform.

    I think the ultimate answer would be to fix the source. There is a reason that Mexicans and other central and south American people want to come here. Their governments are corrupt and crime is rampant.

    I'm not saying we should dump money or military personnel on the problem, that has been proved time and time again that it doesn't work.

    I think education is the answer. You get a population educated and they tend to make a better life for themselves wherever they are.

    Well thats my two cents.
    • graberc, on 10/12/2007, -4/+1We are for making these people LEGAL, not keeping them illegal.

      I find it hard to believe that people who want to stop immigration are not using the same mentality as back in the "Gang of New York" days with the Irish. I find it hard to believe that people who want to stop Mexicans from becoming Americans and finding jobs in America are not being Racist and nationalist. These people are afraid of change; and want to keep everything like it is forever. I don't see it any other way.

      It is only a matter of time before things change. The United States won't be here forever and neither will you. But we can make life better for everyone in the meantime by giving Mexicans the same opportunities as the Irish, English, Germans, and Italians before them,

      Oh and the same people who want to stop immigration also want to stop free trade that would help these countries as well!!
    • HappyMax, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3 @graberc "I don't see it any other way."

      Because you are closed minded, the same thing you accuse people against illegal immigration being. Everyone against illegal immigration is a nazi according to you.
    • dy01, on 10/12/2007, -2/+1@happy

      Sure, everyone against immigration is not a white supremacist but it is also indicative of the thought set when ALL white supremacist organizations are anti-immigration.
    • HappyMax, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1@dy01

      Groups can be on the same side of an issue but for entirely different reasons, its not indicative of anything.


    • graberc, on 10/12/2007, -3/+1not a nazi maybe, but i believe these people are xenophobic nationalist.

      Only a xenophobic nationalist would
      * ignore the economic advantages (that outweigh the costs big time)
      * ignore the plight of people who want a better life
      * forget about our ancestors, who were driven by the same ideals.
      * Care about 3rd world labor jobs. If you compete with a illiterate immigrant, you don't deserve minimum wage. Try school
    • HappyMax, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3"* ignore the economic advantages (that outweigh the costs big time)"

      You don't know what you're talking about. Absolutely no one claims to have the definitive answer on the costs/benefits of illegal immigration. We have to guess about how many illegals are even in the country 12-20 million is a pretty wide margin.

      "* ignore the plight of people who want a better life"

      People in the U.S. also want a better life also. Letting everyone in from the 3rd world only drags us down and hurts our poor and most vulernable the most.

      "* forget about our ancestors, who were driven by the same ideals."

      Again you don't know what you're talking about, pick up a history book. Its a myth that immigrants where always welcome with open arms. They were often met with institutionalized, legal discrimination.

      "* Care about 3rd world labor jobs. If you compete with a illiterate immigrant, you don't deserve minimum wage. Try school"

      You mean schools over-crowded because of illegal immigration. We have to spend 7x as much on ESL as we do on Math & Science programs.





    • graberc, on 10/12/2007, -2/+1"Absolutely no one claims to have the definitive answer on the costs/benefits of illegal immigration. "
      --> read an economics book, or talk to ANY economist. . to fuel a growing GDP immigration is needed. Without it inflation sets in.

      "People in the U.S. also want a better life also. Letting everyone in from the 3rd world only drags us down and hurts our poor and most vulnerable the most."

      People in the US have a better life, and options. You work hard you get a head. . .high school, college, and so on. We shouldn't artificially inflate US labor wages -> it just means more trouble in the future. We will just start buying our labor intensive products from other countries. . .


      "It is a myth that immigrants where always welcome with open arms. They were often met with institutionalized, legal discrimination."

      And so you want to continue the agenda of legal discrimination? What is your argument here? I have always maintained that the same racist/xenophobic nationalist attitude has existed before in every society.


      "You mean schools over-crowded because of illegal immigration. We have to spend 7x as much on ESL as we do on Math & Science programs."

      who is we? As long as these people's parents have jobs and are supporting the American economy it is the American way to help their kids rise even further.
    • dy01, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1@happymax

      You just stated that our ancestors faced discrimination when they came to these shores and you are defending that now? How bizarre is that! The very fact that they faced discrimination should make you wish that newcomers coming here should not face the same discrimination. If we keep perpetuating barrier to integration for newcomers, no wonder they will form their own ghettos. You have to allow avenues of integration for someone to embrace your culture. That includes employment and social services.
  • diddye, on 10/12/2007, -1/+9@chicofaraby -Um, you didn't answer the question. End illegal immigration now. Would you be happy if 1.3 billion Chinese immediately agreed to come here? Along with all the refugees of N. Korea, Africa, S.E. Asia, Iraq, Iran....? Thought not. Next?

    @bobzibub- Nice quote from the Bible. Too bad the Jews WANTED to leave. They were in slavery and were forced to STAY in Egypt. Nobody is forcing the illegals to stay.
    • graberc, on 10/12/2007, -4/+1uh, in case you can't read. Its just a bible quote saying that you should love everyone that comes to live with you. If you don't like the reasoning take it up with God not the guy who used the quote.
  • vondur, on 10/12/2007, -1/+10@chicofaraby
    I have checked two sources, although the first number I heard from a TV show. But this site:
    http://news.pacificnews.org/news/view_article.html?article_id=9152d297880e81822459743c9a823766
    says that 65 emergency rooms have closed in the last decade, while this article from some state hearings on the issue stated that we had 102 emergency rooms in the Mid 80's.
    http://www.sen.ca.gov/ftp/SEN/COMMITTEE/STANDING/HEALTH/_home/EMERGENCY_ROOM_CLOSURES_BACKGROUND.DOC

  • graberc, on 10/12/2007, -9/+1Lou Dobbs is nothing but a nationalist, xeno-phobe and racist. It is hilarious that Imus got pulled off the air and this man is allowed to incite millions with his idiotic, uniformed, nazi-esq diatribe.

    Immigration is the fuel of a growing economy. It fueled America's growth before but now that these white folks have power they want to close the door behind them. Everyone wants to stop the next guy from coming in the door.

    The only reason these people are "illegal" is because the law made it that way - for the same racist and xeno-phobe reasons. The law doesn't match whats on the ground and that most of these people are hard working and add to our economy, keep wages in check, and keep prices low. The moto of the US has always and should continue to be - your welcome in, but you must work and earn citizenship. . .

    oh, if you whine about the low wages 1) The immigrants can live on the low wages - so can you. Just dip the ipod 2) uh, if your competing with an non-native non-english speaker for a job you should really think about getting yourself educated.

    • HappyMax, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8"1) The immigrants can live on the low wages - so can you."

      Yes everyone should live 14 people to a 3 bedroom 1200sqft home, and like it.
    • graberc, on 10/12/2007, -4/+1no one said you had to like it, dumbass
    • HappyMax, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2If we don't like it why would we support a policy that causes it?
    • graberc, on 10/12/2007, -3/+1because we get cheaper products, a growing GDP. Not to mention of the morale benefits of helping people rise from povertry . . . they don't live in 14 person houses forever
  • prcrimm1, on 10/12/2007, -1/+9Thank you Lou Dobbs. Finally some sense from left field.
  • WriterY, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3I'm sure the reason for non-reporting is not only due to a spineless set of reporters, but the head honchos are more than likely on some North American Union committee already...
  • teleporter, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5Just like man-made global warming, you lefties twist your opponents stance by leaving out key words. The key word here is ILLEGAL. While true xenophobes are anti immigration, everyday people--including legal immigrants--who love this country and way of life are anti ILLEGAL immigration. And how do you attest for the fact that you bash Bush as a conservative, yet he's the one letting this happen. Bush is not a conservative, he is a globalist, so you should be supporting him.

    I believe the saying goes "When in Rome, do as the Romans" not "Do as the Romans did to Rome" God forbid anyone take a little pride in their, what's destined to be, short-lived national sovereignty.

    Enjoy you're new Union and currency.
    • dy01, on 10/12/2007, -3/+1@teleporter

      I'm a legal immigrant to Canada (now citizen) who is for an open border policy. Surprisingly for you I guess, most legal immigrants sit on my side of the fence on this issue because we know the hardships one has to go through to adopt a new country and culture as their own. Being illegal just makes it that much harder.

      I think someone who risks their lives just so their kids could one day proudly call themselves Americans (read: including illegals) deserves to be more American than someone who takes the country for granted and is apathetic to the direction it takes.
  • SouthsideIrish, on 10/12/2007, -4/+2Remember the good old days, when you got on a boat, sailed to Ellis Island, waited five days, then had your name mangled by a bureaucrat?

    My daughters best friend and family are illegal. Father owns a business, mother works in an hotel, and daughter is a cashier at a grocery store. She should be making far more than minimum wage, but because she does not have proper paperwork the business takes advantage of her. Maybe wages would go up, if there was not such thing as illegal immigrants.

    BTW these people pay into social security, rent apartments, buy houses, cars and food. If we get rid of every single illegal immigrant won't the economy be harmed? Just a thought.

  • ritad, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0"what happened to give me your tired and your poor"


    we got them until it is breaking our nation, billions and billions of tax dollars are being spent on illegal aliens. I think what that statement really meant was give us your tired and your poor in a legal immigration way not in the illegal way!
    • diddye, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1What happened was that these illegal tired and poor made the legals tired and poor
  • diggfortruth, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I Have a Plan to Destroy America
    ------------------------------------------------
    While contemplating all the reporting on illegal immigration and what to do about it, here is the transcript of a speech to consider, given by ex-Colorado Governor Dick Lamm at a population conference in Washington DC, way back in 2004.
    ------------------------------------------------

    I have a secret plan to destroy America. If you believe, as many do, that America is too smug, too white bread, too self-satisfied, too rich, let’s destroy America. It is not that hard to do. History shows that nations are more fragile than their citizens think. No nation in history has survived the ravages of time. Arnold Toynbee observed that all great civilizations rise and they all fall, and that "an autopsy of history would show that all great nations commit suicide." Here is my plan:

    1. We must first make America a bilingual-bicultural country. History shows, in my opinion, that no nation can survive the tension, conflict, and antagonism of two competing languages and cultures. It is a blessing for an individual to be bilingual; it is a curse for a society to be bilingual. One scholar, Seymour Martin Lipset, put it this way: The histories of bilingual and bicultural societies that do not assimilate are histories of turmoil, tension, and tragedy. Canada, Belgium, Malaysia, Lebanon ---- all face crises of national existence in which minorities press for autonomy, if not independence. Pakistan and Cyprus have divided. Nigeria suppressed an ethnic rebellion. France faces difficulties with its Basques, Bretons, and Corsicans.

    2. I would then invent "multiculturalism" and encourage immigrants to maintain their own culture. I would make it an article of belief that all cultures are equal: that there are no cultural differences that are important. I would declare it an article of faith that the black and Hispanic dropout rate is only due to prejudice and discrimination by the majority. Every other explanation is out-of-bounds.

    3. We can make the United States a "Hispanic Quebec" without much effort. The key is to celebrate diversity rather than unity. As Benjamin Schwarz said in the Atlantic Monthly recently:

    ...the apparent success of our own multiethnic and multicultural experiment might have been achieved not by tolerance but by hegemony. Without the dominance that once dictated ethnocentrically, and what it meant to be an American, we are left with only tolerance and pluralism to hold us together.
    I would encourage all immigrants to keep their own language and culture. I would replace the melting pot metaphor with a salad bowl metaphor. It is important to insure that we have various cultural sub-groups living in America reinforcing their differences rather than Americans, emphasizing their similarities.
    4. Having done all this, I would make our fastest growing demographic group the least educated - I would add a second underclass, un-assimilated, undereducated, and antagonistic to our population. I would have this second underclass have a 50% drop out rate from school.

    5. I would then get the big foundations and big business to give these efforts lots of money. I would invest in ethnic identity, and I would establish the cult of Victimology. I would get all minorities to think their lack of success was all the fault of the majority - I would start a grievance industry blaming all minority failure on the majority population.

    6. I would establish dual citizenship and promote divided loyalties. I would "celebrate diversity." "Diversity” is a wonderfully seductive word. It stresses differences rather than commonalities. Diverse people worldwide are mostly engaged in hating each other - that is, when they are not killing each other. A diverse,” peaceful, or stable society is against most historical precedent. People undervalue the unity it takes to keep a nation together, and we can take advantage of this myopia. Look at the ancient Greeks. Dorf ’s world history tells us:

    The Greeks believed that they belonged to the same race; they possessed a common language and literature; and they worshiped the same gods. All Greece took part in the Olympic games in honor of Zeus and all Greeks venerated the shrine of Apollo at Delphi. A common enemy, Persia, threatened their liberty. Yet, all of these bonds together were not strong enough to overcome two factors . . . (local patriotism and geographical conditions that nurtured political divisions . . .)
    If we can put the emphasis on the “pluribus,” instead of the “unum,” we can balkanize America as surely as Kosovo.
    7. Then I would place all these subjects off limits - make it taboo to talk about. I would find a word similar to “heretic” in the 16th century - that stopped discussion and paralyzed thinking. Words like “racist”, “xenophobe” that halts argument and conversation. Having made America a bilingual-bicultural country, having established multiculturalism, having the large foundations fund the doctrine of “Victimology,” I would next make it impossible to enforce our immigration laws. I would develop a mantra - “that because immigration has been good for America, it must always be good.” I would make every individual immigrant sympatric and ignore the cumulative impact.

    8. Lastly, I would censor Victor Davis Hanson’s book “Mexifornia.” This book is dangerous — it exposes my plan to destroy America. So please, please — if you feel that America deserves to be destroyed - please, please - don’t buy this book! This guy is on to my plan.

    “The smart way to keep people passive and obedient is to strictly limit the Spectrum of acceptable opinion, but allow very lively debate within that Spectrum.” - Noam Chomsky, American linguist and US Media and Foreign Policy critic.

    Source:
    http://familysecuritymatters.org/homeland.php?id=720595&PHPSESSID=577480e6a31b73567f1b7bc365664282

    http://www.reformus.org/
  • yesandno, on 10/11/2007, -0/+0If you are concerned about illegal immigration nobody is doing more than Presidential candidate Tom Tancredo. While he is a long shot, he can FORCE the other candidates to deal with and talk about the problem.

    Contribute to his campaign today and help get his message out! http://www.teamtancredo.org/
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