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- qwickone, on 10/12/2007, -19/+159Wow. Seriously? This guy is obviously just using this tragedy to promote his own agenda. I'm so disgusted by him.
- gronne, on 10/12/2007, -8/+138If you saw the piece last night it was pretty disgusting and insensitive. He basically said that the kids in the school deserved to die because this country isn't a Christian theocracy.
- schlurp, on 10/12/2007, -7/+85I guess that is why countries in western europe where evolution is taught matter-of-factly and abortion is usually no problem after counseling have crime rates, murder rates, divorce rates, rape rates, STD rates, child molestation rates and school shooting rates that are only a fraction of those in the oh so moral US.
- dshPls, on 10/12/2007, -20/+76Look to the good christians republicans like Foley for some real values! Kids won't be speaking up in class anymore with more people like him around.
- gronne, on 10/12/2007, -9/+64CBS NEWS CONTACT INFO:
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/1998/08/01/eveningnews/main15218.shtml - aywwts4, on 10/12/2007, -10/+64NICU: Yeah, people have the right to believe in any religion they want...
...But if I start telling people the sky is blue because of the valient smurfs that encapsulate our planet and protect us from the thousand year space dragon war, I expect to be ridiculed mercilessly.
Thats not a religion, thats moronic. Same with disagreeing with all of scientific theory and the scientific process as a whole. - DavidYeah, on 10/12/2007, -7/+46These are people who believe that morality is impossible unless you're thumping your Christian bible on a regular basis. They blame evolution because they perceive it as negating the design of their creator and doubt in his very existance, thus resulting in immoral behavior, since it leads to the loss of the "Fear of God (c)."
Even I can't explain why abortion is a part of his argument.. someone else can take a crack at that if they want. I'd assume its basically the same as the argument against evolution... though the research done by the author of Freakonomics that made big news a while ago shows that abortions could result in less crime... but reality has no bearing on what Chrstians like to believe. - noahhoward, on 10/12/2007, -9/+45@Herolint
What sort of retarded question is that. You're implying that because "everyone" uses tradgedy to push their agendas the guy can't possibly be disgusted by it? What sort of stupid logic is that?
An to your supporter, I'm not being anti-Christian I'm being pro-SENSE! - matrox212, on 10/12/2007, -2/+38How is that believing in God thing helping quell the violence in Iraq? There's a lot of belivers there!
- truspector, on 10/12/2007, -14/+45@jhusband
You're a big boy, do your own research. You don't need to be spoonfed everything. - KeepSwinging, on 10/12/2007, -1/+33You're a ***** idiot. I am 100% atheist and have never thought "is it OK for me to kill a defenseless baby". The point of society is to live together in peace and when you kill, steal, rape, etc. you disturb that peace and go against why we have society. Not believing in God and thinking that you have the right to decide what the world's morels should be are two totally different things.
- colincornaby, on 10/12/2007, -2/+33"He blamed school shootings on moral a vacuum not evolution and abortion."
He specifically mentioned that he believed evolution being taught in the place of creationism caused violence. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -3/+34One of my schools taught God and Religion as the main agenda.
When we attended the school science class twice a week, the science teacher taught us Evolution.
There was never any complaint from anybody.
All the parents were quite happy with the arrangement.
None of the students considered it to be a problem.
And neither did I.
The science teacher told the class: "God wants you to use the brains He gave you". - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -3/+32He said it in his diatribe:
"Abortion has diminished the value of children"
There is some interesting logic for you. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -3/+32Well, I've lost a son (that's a matter of fact comment. happened long ago. no need to console or comment.) and I'm even disgusted. On the other hand, I've known people who can snap at tragedies too big for them to handle. This guy doesn't sound like he's past the "anger" stage of grief.
When you've survived the death of your child, nothing else can hurt you again quite so deeply. It's that much of an experience, and you can't rush it. Everybody heals at their own pace. - crom99, on 10/12/2007, -1/+26Apparently his son isn't the only thing he lost.
- maklershed, on 10/12/2007, -5/+30I blame it on the omnipresent media coverage of a shooting event. After hearing of the shooting in Denver last week I predicted to friend's and family that there'd be a rash of school shootings this week. Sure, maybe they'd happen anyway, but I think people are more motivated to go through with their murderous plans because they know they'll get a bit of notoriety.
- pardonmedoug, on 10/12/2007, -1/+24The world would be a better place if these school shooters had been aborted.
But I'm glad they've at least taken themselves out of the gene pool. - sbassin, on 10/12/2007, -6/+29You know the saying that when you're a hammer, everything's a nail? Well, I guess when you're one of these people everything's to do with Christianity. Confusing morality with religion contributes to a pretty divisive world view, in my opinion. It is quite possible to be a moral person without being a Christian (or Jewish, or Islamic for that matter) person.
- nukethewhales, on 10/12/2007, -1/+23Interestingly enough, CBS News wouldn't let Bill Maher do a segment on religion.
- drum_bum, on 10/12/2007, -2/+24I'm supprised that he didn't blame everything on video games.
- gothsquirrel, on 10/12/2007, -0/+19The simple fact is that the shooter in this case was motivated by god and took it out on a group of children in a very religious community should invalidate all comments about shootings like this being caused by our immoral and ungodly society. Only 14% of americans consider themselves athiest and that percentage is much less likely to commit a violent crime.
- greenvortex, on 10/12/2007, -5/+23Sure, the Amish school shooting got excessive media coverage: the Republicans needed to get The Pedophile Congressman off the top of the news headlines. By 9AM, the Foley story had been pushed down to non-photo status on most major news sites.
- Quactaur, on 10/12/2007, -2/+20Richard Dawkins' new book, the God Delusion makes for good reading about now. Just don't follow it to the letter. Commit to atheism or gnosticism, don't be bound down by ancient (or modern) books.
- zagom, on 10/12/2007, -0/+17This is particularly frustrating to me. I was a student at columbine and Brian's son Dan was one of my best friends when I was small. I had a small falling out with him once we headed to high school, but Dan was one of the most free spirited kids I ever knew. He loved electronics, and I doubt he would today agree to comments made by his father.
It appears to me that Brian Rohrbough has not in fact found the answer to why his son died, and depends his idea of the moral vacuum in today's society as a crutch in the grief process.
Its really quite unfortunate. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+17Ironically there's a book called Freakonomics that suggests the rise in crime rates can be traced to a lowering of the number of abortions performed. That the crime rate and number of unwanted children are statistically relevant to each other. It sounds crazy until you look at the numbers. There really does seem to be correlation. That's Chapter 4.
In Chapter 3 he covers the surprisingly low wages and poor working conditions of crack dealers and that most of them would be better off working day jobs.
It's funny that evangelicals blame the behavior of the broader segment of society for supposedly devinely tolerated "punishment" coming down. They never look at THEIR OWN behavior, it's always something society is doing. Nevermind you're rich, fat, lazy and dogmatic. That you spend more time on political issues in place of good works, or that you're hypocrites who support evil people to advance your political agenda. Christianity in the US has lost its way and turned into a repressive political movement. But of course none of those things could be the reason, it has to be teaching evolution.
Maybe you might want to consider getting the giant Redwood out of your own eye before you start pointing at the specks the rest of society has to deal with. - Frankie4Fingers, on 10/12/2007, -3/+19@dkarlson
Rampant anti-Christianity? Come on. The point of most people's comments here is that the parent is sad for blaming the world and lack of Christianity on what happens when kids go bad. No matter what religion people are, there will be some kids/adults that do bad things. It just seems that this trend has started because instead of committing suicide like kids did when we were kids, they now go out in a blaze of glory.
If you were depressed and feeling like everyone was out to get you, would you A) quietly kill yourself or B) have a blast killing others that might have wronged you and then kill yourself and make yourself into a martyr?
What kids need is not necessarily religion, they just need a family with some family values. Whether that is religion or not, it still needs to be there for a successful childhood. - dBLiSS, on 10/12/2007, -0/+16"Since there is no God to tell me it's wrong to kill a defenseless baby"
If you need an imaginary superhero to tell you it's wrong to kill defenseless babies you are what scientists call a "psychopath" - kelopohii, on 10/12/2007, -0/+15wow...i don't know what would be worse...blaming these school shootings on evolution/abortion or video games...both arguments sound ridiculous.
- geardosdotnet, on 10/12/2007, -2/+17Yup, but obviously the media is not going to blame themselves.
When it comes to sensationalizing incidents such as this, or not reporting them to prevent copycat attacks, the media will always choose the former. Ratings are more important to them than preventing copycat attacks, - Fracture98, on 10/12/2007, -8/+22@dshPls
They won't be able to. Their mouths will be full. - CapeKid, on 10/12/2007, -3/+18He says:
"God has been expelled from our school and from our government"
The Constitution says:
"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof"
Maybe the problem is not a lack of teaching of God in our schools, but a lack of the teaching of the Consititution. People are more aware of God now than ever, but the Constitution seems all but forgotten. - geronimo, on 10/12/2007, -0/+13His problem is he associates morals with a belief in god(or his version of god at least). Otherwise, yes, having morals and values is a good thing.
- piper999, on 10/12/2007, -1/+14What about the Amish guy who raped his own kids and then decided to execute other people's kids - was he living in a 'moral vacuum' as well?
Or is all this "God made me do it" ***** just an excuse for the pig ignorant savages of the world to kill each other? - Herolint, on 10/12/2007, -4/+17@DavidYeah
Your post brings to mind a question I have always had for christians, why do you (christians) believe that the theory of evolution negates the existance of God? No christian religion (or any other religion for that matter) that I know of claims to know exactly how God organized or created everything, so how do you know evolution didn't play some part it in all?
I honestly don't understand why evolution is such a big bone of contention. - shaggtastic, on 10/12/2007, -3/+15Newsflash! There is no God. Never was. Religious beliefs about what is right and wrong are based on culture and society just like secular beliefs about what is right and wrong.
- oilcan, on 10/12/2007, -1/+13wait...wasn't it violent video games last week?
and heavy metal the week before that? - davidod87, on 10/12/2007, -5/+16DaveV, this isn't ***** Wikipedia. Posters don't have to ***** cite their sources all the damn time. If that was the case, Digg would be pretty lame.
- TheZorch, on 10/12/2007, -0/+11That's got to be one of the smartest teachers I've ever heard about! At last someone with real brains.
Here's an idea that will make things equal for all. Have MANDITORY Ethnic Tolerance classes where the children learn about different cultures and RELIGIONS from around the world and let the science classes teach Evolution and the Big Bang. Allow the CHILDREN to make up their own minds which they want to believe. They are a lot smarter than you might think. It is unwise to underestimate their intellegence, in fact it downright negligent of any adult to underestimate how smart kids are these days. When I see people say things like "someone please think about the children" I often wonder if we should be protecting the children from the stupidity of adults. Just look to Capital Hill for example of what I mean.
And these Jesus camps I saw on the show Countdown on MSNBC disturb me to the core.
BTW, I'm a father of three so I do know what I'm talking about. - schlurp, on 10/12/2007, -2/+13lazy bastards, check this for instance:
http://moses.creighton.edu/JRS/2005/2005-11.html#figures
check out the figures for homicides, STDs, teen pregnancies and abortions
That paper actually correlates religious belief and all the above, but since the US is by far the most religious western country it's the same thing.
The "U" ,which in most of the 9 figures has by far the worst stats, stands for "USA"
The US does actually even worse than the simple correlation of religion with crime and amorality shown by these statistics would imply. - Herolint, on 10/12/2007, -0/+11@jayfish and phantom rogue
I think it is funny how Christians, who profess to believe in an almighty, omnipotent creator always place such human inferiority on Him (well, if it isn't this way, then He doesn't exist).
I am certainly no Hebrew scholar, but the word "yom", which the King James version of the English Bible translates as "day", can mean a 24-hour period, or it can mean a period from sunrise to sunset, or it can also mean an era.
Also, the Hebrew words for "morning" and "evening" can either be literal, or specify the beginning and end of a period of time. In fact, it is used that way many places throughout the Bible.
Therefore, it is highly likely that the account of the creation in the Bible is referring to creative periods rather than 24-hour days, and there is no set time. It could have been a week, and thousand years, or longer.
Whether Christians want to admit it or not, just the possibility of the creative "days" being unspecified periods of time as opposed to 24-hour segments of time, which possibility certainly exists and moreover is highly likely, demands that they rethink their belief on the matter rather than opposing something that, at least to a healthy degree, has scientifically been shown to be fact.
I honestly don't see conflict in the matter. - Swift2, on 10/12/2007, -3/+13The CBS News has given time to Limbaugh, tons of right-wingers, and lots of people who you could call center-right. One "liberal," Gene Robinson, and not talking about any big liberal cause. In fact, CBS News have gone belly-up for the GOP, and Les Moonves has engineered it all. Katie Couric is actually a good reporter, but Moonves' show stinks real bad.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -14/+22@truspector:
I beg to differ with your comment. schlurp made a statement that asserted certain things as facts. jhusband asked him to site the source of those facts.
Jhusband is challenging schlurp to support his assertions with proof. If schlurp can not provide a source for his assertions, then there is no reason to believe them.
Jhusband is not asking to be spoonfed, but rather that schlurp prove the veracity of his claims. - dBLiSS, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8A bit off topic, but Anything By Dawkins is a great read.
- Azuroth, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8and if you go back a little farther...
that satanic Dungeons and Dragons...
that rock and roll music...
if we could dig back far enough, it'd probably be those teenagers hanging out with that Neanderthal kid from down the caves..... - jayfish, on 10/12/2007, -6/+14@Herolint
The theory of evolution negates the existence of God because the Bible is taken, by evangelical Christians, as the direct word of God. The word of God says that all was created in seven days. So if evolution is correct then God cannot exist.
Jay - mlwarrior, on 10/12/2007, -18/+25Good thing his son died breaking his genetic lineage
- davidod87, on 10/12/2007, -2/+9Lost a son or not, this guy is a conservative fundamentalist *****. If the town he's in has any mentality like this, I can totally get why the two shooters in that town did what they did.
- Yez70, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8How is it that Bill Maher is not allowed to speak of religion, but this guy can on CBS's 'Free Speech' segment?
- shaggtastic, on 10/12/2007, -5/+11@walls1500:
It is your inability to grasp the concept of evolution. Please read www.talkorigins.org for explanations of all of your problems. -
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