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- dggeek, on 10/12/2007, -7/+89Sacrificing peace of mind is important to the government. The more frightened we are, the more rights we are willing to give up.
- jivatmanx, on 10/12/2007, -11/+88To all the lip service he pays to our "Addiction to foriegn oil" he uses in his state of the unions, and his clear emnity towards Iran, you'd think that after 9/11, he would have asked Americans to sacrifice by turning to clean and renewable energy sources.
I sacrifice peace of mind by having him as president. Get out of my country, and get out of my mindspace. Take your neocon friends and their utopian christian militaristic fantasies with you. - hawkeye17, on 10/12/2007, -5/+46The only Americans really sacrificing anything in this misguided war or choice are our men and women in uniform. Meanwhile, the rest of us get tax cuts(if your rich enough) and the bill will come due for our children and grandchildren. Bush is immoral on so many levels its frightening.
- vudicarus, on 10/12/2007, -9/+49yes, lets all give him a "piece" of our minds
- ClayDragon, on 10/12/2007, -1/+37Everyone who is in favor of going to war, should be FORCED to watch it, on TV, YouTube, wherever.
Everyone who is in favor of death penalty, should be FORCED to watch it, on TV, YouTube, wherever.
It's that simple. Approving something and then refusing to face the consequences is cowardice and stupidity.
Digg me down if you must, but I had to say that. - otheruser, on 10/12/2007, -2/+38BUSH: — "I mean, Iraq is only a part of a larger ideological struggle. But it’s a totally different kind of war, than ones we’re used to."
When has a war ever been conventional or "normal"? - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -8/+43Since we've been at war with Eurasia. We've always been at war with Eurasia.
- faskippy, on 10/12/2007, -1/+30Kiss my ass Cleotis...how many letters from home or care packages have you sent since this began? I think of myself as pretty liberal and I DO support and care for "our boys". If "our boys" were serving and sacrificing for a just cause, then I would wholeheartedly support the actions of the pres. This is not one of those times. Just because the pres says we need to do this doesn't make it right. He is just a man, capable of corruption and fault. I will not put blind faith in anyone who has this much power. It is our duty to question. Anything less is un-American.
- baxtermaddux, on 10/12/2007, -1/+26i would like to sacrifice his job
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -9/+30Cleotis:
Here's the problem, the way I see it:
Liberals are overflowing with compassion. They have so much compassion for everyone and everything around them that it often clouds their judgment. They want every human being on Earth to be happy, a situation that is simply not possible without someone somewhere being hurt. Still, they try really hard to reach this unattainable utopia, completely oblivious to just how dangerous this Utopian quest is. To put it simply: liberals are DANGEROUSLY SELFLESS.
Conservatives, on the other hand, are overflowing with self-righteous anger and pure testosterone. They dream of murdering those they hate -- and they hate a lot of people. Conservatives believe that their side is right, and everyone else must perish -- literally. To conservatives, the word "compromise" is so foreign that, again, they dream of literally murdering all those who propose it. To put it simply: conservatives are DANGEROUSLY SELFISH.
The one thing we need is moderate thinking and centrist opinions. The world would be a better place if fundamentalists like you and the Bush administration, fundamentalists like the hard-core liberals, and fundamentalists like the Muslim terrorists, would all just stop to think for one minute -- stop to put themselves in the other person's shoes. Unfortunately, this will never happen.
You will never know what liberals truly stand for because you don't know how to put yourself in their shoes. And, most importantly, you will never know what terrorists truly stand for (and thus you advocate an un-winnable strategy against them).
The war between liberalism and conservatism is what will end the world. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -4/+20BUSH: — "I mean, Iraq is only a part of a larger ideological struggle. But it’s a totally different kind of war, than ones we’re used to."
yeah like the ones we used to F**KING WIN!?!?!?!?!?! you incompetent f**kwad!!!
The bad management of this war sends out a message to Syria, Iran and North Korea that a bunch of uneducated angry goat herders can beat the worlds only super power in a guerrilla war. well done bush. - Civil44, on 10/12/2007, -2/+18*HTMK
"why sacrifice when you don't need to?" WW2 was a much different struggle on a much larger theater of war than Iraq. We don't need to get gas or food coupons because simply our economy can handle the strain without switching over to a military industrial machine again. Liberals are not saying we all need to sacrifice more for the war. Were saying we shouldn't be there and we want our boys back. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+16Cleotis: "They like to tell the rest of us how we should live our lives"
I don't understand, why do you make this comment only about liberals? While I agree with THAT point, I am forced to also point out to you that conservatives ALSO want to tell the rest of "us" how to live "our" lives. It is the liberals who most support individual rights and liberty, and conservatives who fight against it. It is the liberals who do not want the government denying them their privacy, and conservatives who willingly give up this right ("for the greater good").
I'm also distressed by your opinion that you're "better" than the other side. In fact, neither side is "better". Both sides have their positive qualities and negative qualities. The only way for you, or any one else here, to be a productive member of society (and a member of a peaceful global community) is by respecting and understanding your opposition. I don't think hard-core liberals are capable of this any more than hard-core conservatives are, and I unfortunately have to include you with them.
What it all comes down to is that both liberals and conservatives want to set up rules for how the OTHER side should live, completely oblivious to that side's needs, desires, values, or anything else. It's very upsetting for me to hear both liberals and conservatives stating that their way is the only way, and that everyone else just has to accept it to get out of this country because they're somehow committing "treason". This is *****.
This is for all of you: If you are completely incapable of naming TEN things about your political opponents that you AGREE with (even slightly) that simultaneously your fellow liberals/conservatives do not agree with, then you are incapable of rationality. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -3/+18I sacrifice a *piece* of mind when I hear the man talk.
- kremvax, on 10/12/2007, -2/+15I wonder if Bush knows that the killings aren't just on TV, but are actually happening to real people in real life ... right now ... because of his lack of foresight...
- CkMaverick, on 10/12/2007, -5/+18I think we need to sacrifice a piece of him for his country... its in the best interest of national security... and the human genepool.
- faskippy, on 10/12/2007, -3/+15I wonder what the approval rating of Bush would have been had he been dedicated to finding OBL instead of foreign oil. And if he had used the same amount of money spent on this idiotic war to help r&d alternative fuels. He could have gone down as the greatest president in years! Goes to show you can't go thinking with the little head. There might be more blood flow, but there's a lot less grey matter.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+11that was when Visual Studio was working for the reds. dont u remember?
- avasol, on 10/12/2007, -8/+19@Cleotis
How I hate these ***** that always, ALWAYS have to expunge hatred of other people's political opinions in defense of their own.
I've got news for you Cleotis. You guys are in charge. You guys are comitting the murders. We're asking you to stop. You then turn against your fellow americans. If that is what you represent, go ***** yourself.
How's that for further polarization of the issue? - DJShay, on 10/12/2007, -0/+11"It never makes the news when a marine escorts a bunch of children to school so they feel safe from the murderous jihadists."
Hmmm, maybe the children wouldn't be in so much danger if we hadn't completely destroyed their country. - washingtonydc, on 10/12/2007, -0/+10Now if we'd only start buying piece-of-mind bonds and start growing piece-of-mind gardens.
- clos, on 10/12/2007, -9/+19Isn't he going to send 21,500 more troops to Iraq?.......
- dpcdomino, on 10/12/2007, -1/+10Ah...so Bush must not be watching TV. That is why he thinks he is doing a good job.
2008 cannot come soon enough. - cybermort, on 10/12/2007, -0/+9for someone who never had to work hard a day in his life.. for someone that had everything handed over to him and for someone who always had his daddies friends, investors and money to fix all of his problems he sure doesn't know the meaning of sacrifice. what a shocker
- Phearce, on 10/12/2007, -1/+10@copperfalcon -- doubleplusgood comment
Bush has always been illuminating the finer points of our language, ie Newspeak. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newspeak - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -3/+12I sacrifice "Peace of Mind" knowing he's the President of the USA.
- fredrated, on 10/12/2007, -2/+11"I hate to break it to you, but we all benifited from those tax cuts."
Yor are right there. The poor and the middle class each got a cup of soup, while the wealthy got the soup factory.
I get a horse, you get a rabbit, we all got something, quit complaining. - CBTF, on 10/12/2007, -0/+9Simple history tells us that USA did not win the war in Vietnam (in the battlefield or media.).
"April 30, 1975 - At 8:35 a.m., the last Americans, ten Marines from the embassy, depart Saigon, concluding the United States presence in Vietnam. North Vietnamese troops pour into Saigon and encounter little resistance. By 11 a.m., the red and blue Viet Cong flag flies from the presidential palace. President Minh broadcasts a message of unconditional surrender. The war is over."
Yeah, that's just the media skewing things all right. - arcticblue, on 10/12/2007, -1/+10@HMTKSteve
I enlisted in the USMC on August 14, 2002. I honestly don't really remember reading the "contract". The "contract" consists of page after page of small writing that you have to sign and the recruiter breathes down your neck while paraphrasing each page and says "don't worry about that". Also, many people who are joining don't exactly know what they are getting themselves in to. I was one of those. My recruiter was the only person I had to turn to and he let me know exactly what he wanted me to know. Recruiters are sneaky and I was a naive teenager.
We are indeed making alot of sacrifices out here. I have spent about 70% of my marriage on the other side of the planet as my wife. I've seen my mom twice since 2003. And I'm currently living in a 10x6 box with another person and it's very cramped. The Army even watches us poop to make sure we don't write anything on the wall! I'd say those are some pretty decent sacrifices to make for a war started on false pretenses. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8he's tipping toward full tilt delusional.
- freff, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8@HMTKSteve
No, we didn't lose Vietnam in "the media". Vietnam has lost due to incompetent and unclear political policy affecting military strategy, and the fact that they made the mistake of bringing American forces into a conflict in support of an unpopular government against a highly motivated and determined enemy, and were too obtuse to recognize the danger of such an action. And it's clear from seeing people like you and the President claim that "the media" is losing the war that some people are determined to relive Vietnam all over again. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -5/+12fredrated:
That kind of a comment contributes nothing to the debate. Thanks for wasting our time. - CraigB12, on 10/12/2007, -2/+8Oh, so you're saying we won vietnam... thats amazing because the way I see it, Vietnam is exactly the way it was when the war first started.
- frankidadio, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6tipped and fell long ago
- r2700, on 10/12/2007, -4/+10I thought was Eastasia.
- KarthVader, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6The people in their late teens and early twenties will pay for this. They will pay for it for generations to come
- freff, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7This man constantly amazes me. Everytime I think that I'm no longer able to be shocked by how disconnected Bush is to legitimate criticism, he pulls something like this out of his pocket.
Q: If this war is as important as you claim it to be Mr. Bush, why have you not called for more Americans to sacrifice for it?
The premise behind the question is clear. Right now, the brunt of the price payed in this war falls disproportionately on the shoulders of the families of the volunteer military. The President has publicly suggested on more than one occasion that the best thing that Americans can do to support the fight is to go shopping. Meanwhile, soldiers and marines are asked to do numerous 12 to 18 month tours away from their families, to support an Iraq government that simply wants us to leave and allow them to fight things out for themselves (http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,3-2553148,00.html ). Every President has sat down and leveled with the public, and called for realistic expectations and sacrifices in order to achieve a worthwhile goal. Bush said that we would be greeted as liberators, and told people to go shopping. The question is valid, and deserves a realistic answer.
A: Americans sacrifice "peace of mind" when they see the terrible images of violence on TV every night.
WTF! To this guy, the ultimate sacrifice that the American public can make is to be informed about the world around them. Holy *****, I don't know how he could possibly top this one. I thought it was bad when he suggested that Americans had done something noteworthy by holding elections (which his party lost big) during a time of war. That was amusing if you consider martial law amusing, and probably shed some light on how broad the Bush administration interpret Executive power, but in the end, it was probably just the bitter taste of defeat talking. To me, this is a different, and it's indicative of just how much contempt that this man has for the people that he's actually supposed to be working for, and for truth in general.
Oh, and it's nice to finally see him admit that Iraq is part of the War of Ideologies, and not the front on the "War on Terror" that he keeps claiming. Some truth is better than nothing. - KarthVader, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7I concur. I am a college student and former ROTC member and what I watch on TV and hear from other news sources (non-American), the war in Iraq is alot like Vietnam in the fact that much of the American public and the world doesn't agree with the war. As far as my generation goes, it is us who are fighting on the streets Baghdad, who are getting blown up and disfigured from IEDs, we who are old enough to vote and fight for our country, yet we can't even legally buy a beer. I feel as if the baby boomer generation, especially those in politics, have ruined our society. On the flip side, I see apathetic viewpoints from my fellow college students. Very few of them seem to care about anything unless they are fanatical.
I'm done ranting and going to class. - DerProfi, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6Not that I necessarily disagree with the sentiment, but will you extend that logic to those who are in favor of unrestricted abortions?
- DerProfi, on 10/12/2007, -4/+9Copperfalcon that is...like...so friggin' deep that you're blowing my mind. Is that, like, from a book or something?
- CraigB12, on 10/12/2007, -3/+8Well the truth is, we can be defeated in a guerilla war... i.e. vietnam, korea.
"a bunch of uneducated angry goat herders"
Don't generalize, i'm sure a lot of those people are extremely intelligent (nieve, but intelligent). - JohnnyZito, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5Why is our volunteer army fighting his ideological war?
- Eccles, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5We lost Vietnam because we had no country to fight *for*. Ho Chi Minh had been working for his country's independence since World War I, even requestIng the sending of a delegation to the post-war negotiations at Versailles, but it was rejected. The Japanese took control of Vietnam from the Vichy French, and Minh, citing the Declaration of Independence and having the "Star Spangled Banner" played, hoped the U.S. would support his play for independence. Instead, the U.S., under pressure from the British, abandoned their anti-Colonial stance. The Chinese and British helped the French re-establish control, but after Diem Bien Phu, the French decided to extricate themselves and the country was partitioned. Minh worked for a unified country with help from the Soviets and Chinese, so the U.S. saw his group as Communist insurgents and in we went. We even helped overthrow the (not particularly legitimate) government of South Vietnam in a military takeover. Really, we had no political base. So despite overwhelming military victories everywhere (casualty rates of 20:1 were the standard), we lost the battle for "hearts and minds", and thus the war.
So many parallels to Iraq. Again a cause of war that turned out to be false (Gulf of Tonkin vs. WMDs) Again the 20:1 casualty rates. Again a barely supported government we're helping to prop up. And the current proposed solution? The "Vietnamization", excuse me, "Iraqization" of the war. Is Iran the new Cambodia? - PabloMac, on 10/12/2007, -2/+7Cleotis, you generalize too much, and that (along with your lack of tact) degrades your credibility here. The "liberals" you have a problem with are more accurately described as "Secular-Progressives." The S-Ps definitely fall left of center, and left of what most people think of as "liberal," the direct opposite of "neocon." Most liberals, moderates, and conservatives (which probably amount to 85-90% of the population) really do have the country's best interest at heart.
If we "liberals," "centrists" and "conservatives" focused more on what we have in common rather than our differences, we could go a lot further toward shutting down the agendas of the minority (but more vocal) secular-progressives and neocons.
ilyag, I appreciate the balance and thought that go into your posts in this thread. - Grimdotdotdot, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5If you're only pissed off because you are 'losing' then you have a lot to learn about the world.
- Maarek, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5Because that would not be justice in the American sense. We are a county of laws and even those who subvert them should be punished under them. The last thing this country needs is something like that to happen as we could end up with another civil war.
- soulpunisher, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Did anyone else see this in the article "Bush said that he would “strongly oppose” raising taxes on the wealthy to help offset the increasing costs of war in Iraq because he wants “people to feel like their life’s moving on.” So who the ***** is going to pay for this? Maybe he thinks it will come from magic jelly beans? It has to come from somewhere...I guess middle class and poor will have to pay for it, the ones who really need their hard earned money. Just makes me sick.
- ispshadow, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4@HTMKSteve said:
How are soldiers sacrificing?
When you sign the contract you agreed to the terms. What do you think the purpose of an Army is? It's to kill people and break things.
Uhm, you're right. I did sign up to do those things if I'm ordered to do that. But I didn't go to the local recruiting office and say, "Will you please kill me in a war that the public believes may be based on bogus reasons? Please!"
I didn't sign up to die. I highly doubt many of us did.
Thanks for agreeing with me unintentionally. - CraigB12, on 10/12/2007, -6/+10He must have had a bet with Cunnalingus Rice to see who could be quoted saying the dumbest things in '07. He's ahead by far.
- blackkbot, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4I think it is because diggers think that anything that isn't their opinion is outrageous.
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