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- badqat, on 05/31/2009, -0/+66As bad as gitmo is - the number of US citizens incarcerated (in many cases, for drug crimes against "themselves") is the real shame. No reason whatsoever a non-violent "offender" of this sort should ever spend a minute in prison.
No matter what language it may be couched in, the so-called "war on drugs" has ruined too many lives, wasted too many dollars, and made us worse off in the long run. Much worse off. - Blinker1315, on 05/31/2009, -1/+33No politician has the guts to take a stand against victimless crimes, the result of which many, many lives are ruined. People get locked up and emerge far more addled and dangerous than before being arrested for ridiculous "crimes."
- inactive, on 05/31/2009, -2/+26Libertarians: unwavering principled stands against torture and for freedom that other parties seem to be lacking.
- hydrodev, on 06/01/2009, -0/+18Some laws have NO business being on the books in the first place.
- Striker101, on 05/31/2009, -0/+16First decision is whether to shut down Gitmo, and if they do, next decision is what to do with Gitmo occupants. But BS (short for baltimoresun) wants to spin the article to demagoguery? That's a fine upstanding paper, huh?
- govtdoesnotwork, on 06/01/2009, -0/+14Not quite 'no,' but the few who do it are marginalized in our corrupt news media. (See Dennis Kucinich & Ron Paul.)
- itsthemechanic, on 06/01/2009, -2/+16Left the U.S. ten years ago, because I realized that being into techno and abusing the occasional controlled substance here and there on the weekends could land me in jail pretty fast if I was unlucky. Back here in Europe it's seen as what it is, a public health problem, and nobody's gonna bust your chops for a bag of weed or a couple of pills. They might take your licence away for a while if you drive while high but that's about it.
FWIW, I was working as a Senior Network Administrator for close to $40 an hour, 50-60 hours a week, never a burden on the taxpayer, net contributor to the system. - hydrodev, on 06/01/2009, -0/+13Why? There is so much money to be made in that business. That's what this life is about isn't it? Controlling others and imprisoning and making slaves out of them if they don't stand in line properly?
- inactive, on 06/01/2009, -0/+12wont you think of the lawyers?
- Hetman, on 06/01/2009, -0/+12He did not even mention socialism. He was talking about how we define criminals in America. Anyways stop being so closed minded. Just because someone says Europe you do not have to jump up and scream about socialism.
- govtdoesnotwork, on 06/01/2009, -1/+13"The law"?? Which one??
- borez, on 06/01/2009, -1/+12FTA: Prisons in the US have become big business, it's that that needs to be seriously looked at. Locking people away to line somebody else's pockets is a nasty, life shattering, unethical practice of the highest order and it needs to stop. Period.
- Patrol42, on 06/01/2009, -2/+12It's ***** rediculous. They want to arrest you for everything, for stupid things like Marijuana. They have alcohol legalized, but not marijuana. Oh and you get caught, you're off to jail; where you have to strip your humanity to survive. But, nooo. Jobs are riding on this, but it's ***** that we have to suffer so much for that.
***** the war on drugs, it's a failed dillusional war, perpetrated by power hungry people. - kimonokiller, on 06/01/2009, -1/+11"Filling" prisoners by sodomy must also stop.
- vbullinger, on 06/01/2009, -0/+10Ron Paul's a Republican.
Plus you're an idiot. - URnotheonly1, on 06/01/2009, -0/+10prison industrial complex. it's big business!
- DankBuddz, on 06/01/2009, -0/+9Fox News much?
- kemp34, on 06/01/2009, -0/+9Any entity that receives a government contract should be contractually barred from employing lobbyists.
Think about this scenario:
1. Company A secures $100 million government contract.
2. Company A then employs $10 million of the contract to hire a team of high powered lobbyists.
3. Lobbyists get the government to do all sorts of twisted *****.
4. Special interests win while financed by taxpayers, taxpayers get the shaft paid for out of their own pockets. - omgwtflawl, on 06/01/2009, -0/+9"That support freedom from your federal government in return for slavery by the state government. It is just as bad as any other political group."
Libertarians tend to support state and local governments over the Federal government because
A. Local and state governments are a thousand times more responsive to what you want then the Federal government.
B. You can move to a different state or local jurisdiction very easily, which is not possible with the Federal government.
Of course state and local governments often overstep their bounds, in which case Libertarians will tell them to ***** off.
"I know the majority of laws created by the state government seem to take away choices instead of giving us more choices. "
Well then you will find yourself in agreement with libertarians/anarcho-capitalists. You will only disagree with them if you think the solution to these restrictive state/local governments is the federal government. Because it isn't. - DankBuddz, on 06/01/2009, -0/+9Because some of them aren't completely owned and run by corporate interests.
Weird, right? - OneRottenTomato, on 06/01/2009, -0/+8Don't kid yourselves into believing some adult getting caught drinking beer...
Don't kid yourselves into believing some woman getting caught voting on election day...
Don't kid yourselves into believing some negros getting caught sitting in front of the bus...
In other words, other retarded laws Benologist would probably agree to. Never question unjust laws, silly sheep. - inactive, on 06/01/2009, -1/+9The more time goes on, the more laws there will be.
Wait until they make something you like illegal. It will happen. - WasabiBomb, on 06/01/2009, -2/+10And making it legal would resolve the whole situation nicely, don't you think?
<--- never done any drugs, but fully believes they should be legalized. - jaymzdean, on 06/01/2009, -0/+8Some guy: Hey man, you're losing big money in this business, why don't you shut it down?
Other guy: Oh yea? Where am I going to get the funds to shut it down?
Makes no sense. - tonyjorb1337, on 06/01/2009, -1/+9All the libertarians I've ever heard advocate voluntary associations instead of any level of government. Are you sure you know what your talking about?
- sodade, on 06/01/2009, -0/+8You are grossly delusional if you think that cannabis laws should be respected.
I have yet to hear one valid justification for the continued prohibition of cannabis and all you morons throw up is: bbbbut it's the LAW. When you have BS laws like this on the books only fools take them seriously. - DankBuddz, on 06/01/2009, -0/+8That's an easy opinion to have for someone who's uneducated.
- Hetman, on 06/01/2009, -0/+8Do you want to punish people or do you want a better functioning society?
- Hetman, on 06/01/2009, -0/+8America is a profit based country. Why let freedom and liberty get in the way of making a profit.
- TheScreamer, on 06/01/2009, -0/+7But penitentiaries are such a cash grab for those companies that run them! Download and watch Freedom Downtime for a real eye opener... it's mainly the story of Kevin Mitnick and company, but it has some real interesting info on Pennsylvania's prison system.
- vbullinger, on 06/01/2009, -1/+8@benologist:
You just said that no one should ever question the law and that the government is always right.
So, if free speech was illegal, you would tell us not to protest that? - leogodin217, on 06/01/2009, -2/+9Hard to take this guy seriously with comments like this: "Democrats in the U.S. Senate surrendered to Republican demagoguery". He just can't admit that Democrats went against Obama. It must be the fault of those ah so devious and much smarter Republicans.
It's too bad because he makes a great point about prisons. It is unconscionable that we lock up so many people in victimless crimes. I believe 1 in 6 people in prison are in for a marijuana related offense. We also have a growing private prison industry where more and more new prisons are run by private companies. Do you think they want to lock up fewer people? The whole system is a perversion of all that America is supposed to stand for. It's a disgrace and yet very few politicians have the courage or heart to stand up against it. - gabbagabba, on 06/01/2009, -0/+7If you want to look at why prisons are so overcrowded and filled in the US you just need to look at the 13th Amendment where they changed slavery from being a privately owned enterprise to a state enterprise. "Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime where of the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction."
- gernblansted, on 06/01/2009, -0/+6@pbloem: "but on some level most laws have been thought through and are on the books for a reason"
Many times that reason is that law makers want to appear to be tough on hot button issues and want to have something to crow about when they are up for re-election.
Also, those who profit from America's private for-profit prison system and the cheap (slave) labor that comes with it do in fact engage politically and lobby for stiffer sentences are more laws, and they don't care how right it is.
On some cases, the darts analogy you used is accurate. - SuperCritMass, on 06/01/2009, -1/+7How come other countries don't have such a large prison industry as we do here in the USA?
- kemp34, on 06/01/2009, -0/+6The better verbiage to use would be no one should be locked up who has not committed an act of aggressive force or fraud.
- Euph0rik, on 06/01/2009, -1/+7The whole prison system needs to be re-evaluated and reformed. We currently lock people away and spend big money to keep them away. We don't try to actively reform or re-educate them, we stick them in a cell, in a building with similar sorts and remove their ability to contribute back to society in any meaningful way. Half of the prisons in the US need to be re-purposed as educational institutions rather than ones built to imprison. Education will reform this country, not incarceration.
- undystains, on 06/02/2009, -0/+5Prison should only be for violent crimes.
- z0rk, on 06/01/2009, -0/+5if you are going to quote it at least use the full context. "(in many cases, for drug crimes against "themselves") ", this clearly makes it different than other white collar crimes. tax evaders cause the rest of us to pay more taxes or inflate the money supply. crooked ceo's often cause their companies to go belly up, making all their employees and investors loss out. there is quite a difference when you use the full context of the statement.
- z0rk, on 06/01/2009, -0/+5the wife and i have been talking more and more about this. as a linux sysadmin finding work in other countries shouldn't be much harder than it is here.
- NikoKun, on 06/01/2009, -0/+5Circle logic strikes again. The ignorance... it hurts the brain...
I guess some people think we shouldn't question bad laws... Regardless that the law might actually be counterproductive, and causing far worse problems than the drug itself... -_- - SpykerSpeed, on 06/01/2009, -1/+6I'm right behind you, man. Can't wait to get out of this country, as soon as I have the necessary funds to leave.
- DankBuddz, on 06/01/2009, -0/+5Glad you enjoy wasting money on keeping people in prison for no reason. Hope you're not one of those "conservatives" who thinks its okay to spend money on things as long as they prevent people from having proper freedoms rather than helping people.
- biggestprick, on 06/01/2009, -4/+8Building fewer prisons is not going to cut back crime. All it does is leaves people on the street that broke the law, but committed a crime that may have been less serious. Crime is going to keep going up until people in society quit thinking that is ok to break some laws because they don't agree with them.
- IPrintAll, on 06/01/2009, -1/+5And that's how you avoid "the conversation". As if by you stating "it's against the law" is the end all be all and that's that.
The reality is "if" you could motivate enough Americans to all get busted at the same time, and I mean million upon millions, then it would be a protest. A very vocal one at that.
And it's called civil disobedience. Look it up. And don't even try that let's legallize murder and rape *****. If you don't know the difference than you are the problem. - itsthemechanic, on 06/01/2009, -0/+4Hmmm, those twisted psycho nutcases, which undoubtedly will have to be kept behind bars, make up maybe 25% of the people in U.S. prisons. Lets agree on keeping them in jail and release the other 75% that are there for ***** victimless crimes?
And, how about creating some sort of social program to take care of the people that are mentally ill, or unable to take care of themselves, instead of criminalising them and locking them up? Jail is not a social program, even if the U.S. uses it as one. - Brain1, on 06/02/2009, -0/+4 Watch " American Drug War" on YouTube, or download it on Pirate Bay.The rich Guys at the top of the "food Chain" are are using non-Criminal good people, as slaves in there so called prisons.
They were charged, and convicted of victim less Drug Crimes that are not real crimes. - kemp34, on 06/01/2009, -0/+3Taxpayer financed lobbying: the linchpin of American fascism?
- MrFunStuff, on 06/01/2009, -0/+3Actually in this situation protecting peoples freedoms would be helping them. The government does not have the right to tell you what you can or can't put in your body. Period!
- itsthemechanic, on 06/01/2009, -0/+3lets start executing you, there is just as much evidence that you did something wrong.
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