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- LouisCipher777, on 05/21/2009, -9/+27apparently your definition of "safe" and mine differ greatly. I AM safe because no matter what comes my way I can deal with it. you FEEL safe because idiots like the brady campaign are trying to "level the playing field" by making both of us equally impotent against an armed attacker.
- LouisCipher777, on 05/21/2009, -16/+33The brady campaign for citizen disarmament is not only a failure, but a group of traitors who's final objective is nothing less then taking firearms completely out of the hands of private citizens so that we may be subjected to whatever abuses and indignities rogue police officers or totalitarian government may choose to throw at us.
This is treason against the free men of The Republic, and should be treated as such. - fpaulvalone, on 05/21/2009, -11/+28Well said, Kurt. Helmke's gloating was indeed premature. As with the gun amendment to the DC voting rights act, predictions of the death of the gun rights vote are equally premature.
- Thuban, on 05/21/2009, -12/+28Obama is a astute politician, and gun control has become a third rail for Dems. Passage of the Brady Bill helped turn both houses GOP in 94. Al Gore lost (IMO) the 2000 election due to gun grabbing fear (he didn't even carry his home state with its with its love of hunting). While the Brady people may have been licking their chops with anticipation of this hard left president grabbing guns, the fact is he's too smart to alienate the the middle who voted for him. When Eric Holder came out and tipped the hand that they have an anti-gun agenda in the works Pelosi shut him right up.
All that being said it is only a matter of time till they get brave and pull their ***** again.
Which I hope is before 2010 so they polarize the middle and get spanked. - 45superman, on 05/21/2009, -8/+24Hopefully they'll use it to buy a clue--then again, maybe you should have bought yourself one with that money.
- inactive, on 05/21/2009, -0/+14Obama has consistantly voted against the rights of the people with regard to the Second Amendment.
Here are the facts on his record.
http://www.nraila.org/OBAMA/ - 45superman, on 05/21/2009, -0/+14Why would it make sense to go back only as far as the beginning of his presidential campaign--are you seriously arguing that his legislative record is irrelevant?
- 45superman, on 05/21/2009, -0/+13Also, as the article points out, it's the anti-gun crowd that's claiming Obama has changed his tune somewhere between the campaign trail and the White House.
- 45superman, on 05/21/2009, -0/+12What comes out of their mouths can't render me disarmed and defenseless.
- maz2331, on 05/21/2009, -8/+20"Late Tuesday, the U.S. Senate voted 67-29 for the Coburn amendment, attached to an unrelated credit card reform bill, which allows loaded guns in national parks..."
Memo to the Brady Bunch: It's over, folks. This one passed by a veto-proof Senate majority, and would probably end up that way in the House too. The philosophical, legal, and political landscape has shifted drastically pro-gun in the past few years. - Thuban, on 05/21/2009, -8/+19You know there are some wonderful countries with just the gun control you want out there. Maybe you might want to consider immigrating.
Just trying to help. - ShrikeDeCil, on 05/21/2009, -0/+10If you think this is about hunting, then you haven't studied the seventeenth century enough.
The meaning of "citizen" didn't start with the right to vote. It started with the right to do whatever the "elites" do and the cracking of the difference between high-justice and low-justice. Where summary execution of serfs would fall under low justice.
If you think our elite (politicians, starletts, businessmen) are going to forgo -their- bodyguards, you're confused.
So restrictions on the non-elite is a regressive move towards having a high-and-low justice again. - mst3kcrow, on 05/21/2009, -2/+12Well Korky, then you know who would only be using compact weapons? Criminals with connections. Making it more expensive only transfers power from the common people to the ones with enough cash to have such weapons.
- 45superman, on 05/21/2009, -0/+9The bigger issue is that the amendment was attached to a bill that's blatantly unconstitutional in the first place.
It, however, was going to pass anyway, so we might as well get something good out of it. - BigCalhoun, on 05/21/2009, -1/+10Actually, stockpiling ammo has gone on for some time. Hell, I remember it as far back as the Clinton-era and it continued into the Bush years. The reasons change, but the goal stays the same. Now, the firearm industry did make out selling 'assault rifles' and hi-cap magazines. My RRA LAR-8 was backordered for dang near 6 months and I haven't even tried to find hi-cap mags for it -- selling like fudge outside of a Weight Watchers clinic.
- inactive, on 05/21/2009, -8/+16Gun control is all about hitting the target! Guns are not a danger, I am.
- dcodrea, on 05/21/2009, -12/+20I wonder how many antis are having buyers' remorse?
Still, we dare not gloat either--"gun free zone" opportunities for blood-dancing are always just around the corner. - otbeverly, on 05/21/2009, -5/+12The arms industry made off like bandits over the past few months. I personally know of quite a few people who were hoarding bullets because "Obama's gun control laws were going to take them away." I wonder how often this tactic has been used around election time to scare people into buying weapons or ammunition in fear that they'd be taken away.
It's just the gun lobby using the anti-gun lobby to scare people into buying stuff. - xshare, on 05/21/2009, -0/+7I think it has something to do with the ubiquity of the internet. It really seems like things are shifting towards a more logical, pragmatic way of thinking throughout the world, at least the connected world. Religion is losing steam, gun control is losing steam, people are really starting to make sense instead of just continuing old traditions with no semblance of reality
- inactive, on 05/21/2009, -1/+8@jbella; Im not sure what his motivations were regarding the USSC, but with regardi to 'Licensing and registration....It Is a radical position, and one that is curently expressly forbidden by federal law.
About requiring 'Training' to simply own a weapon...There can be no No requirement to excersize your rights. The Goverment did not Give me my Rights, and believing the rhetoric that they can give, tax or take your righs..any of them... with the stroke of a pen or a vote is living as a serf, not a free man.
A truth willfully over-looked by those who would live in servitude is that the Goverment 'Gave' me my rights, so it can determion who will get to keep use them. This is a lie. No where in the the Constitution is the goverment of, for, and By the people given that power. The Bill of rights is not dependant upon any goverment, and does not 'Give' me or you anything, it simply recognizes the rights that All Free Men (and woman) have at birth, as Human Beings.
You can give the goverment the power over your life if You choose...But I will choose for myself, and I will not give my right of free will up. THis is Not about weapons...its about individual Freedom and Liberty. - mst3kcrow, on 05/21/2009, -1/+8Those worries weren't exactly unfounded. Given the Obama Admin pushing the AWB earlier in February and his record for gun rights, it's no surprise people were stocking up. Remember the DOD looking to have all small arms spent casings be mutilated rather than recycled? The increase in the cost of ammo wouldn't exactly be negligible if that policy was in place.
- FuzzplugJones, on 05/21/2009, -2/+9A politician lied to the easily-bamboozled to get votes?! No!
- DontTreadOnMike, on 05/21/2009, -6/+13dammit. 1500 is exactly how much I need to buy that M1A I've been Eye-balling. How dare you sir. haha
- Thuban, on 05/21/2009, -1/+7Wow you pulled that out of your ass. You just wanted a excuse for a anti-Christian rant, didn't you?
- Spuy767, on 05/21/2009, -1/+7Obvious troll is obvious.
- 45superman, on 05/21/2009, -3/+9Oh, the citizen disarmament measures will come sooner or later--when Obama and the rest of the Democratic Party leadership deems the time is right.
I'm just enjoying the anguished bleating from the gun haters while I can. Music to my ears. - Spuy767, on 05/21/2009, -0/+6Assault weapon = Scary Looking Weapon.
- pshuman, on 05/21/2009, -1/+7It isn't about repealing the 2nd amendment, it is about the erosion over time by many small laws that ban/tax/force registration of something new each pass, like happened in the UK.
In any case, historically firearms and ammo prices just keep going up. If you want in anytime in life, better to do it sooner rather than later. I kick myself for not buying $200 M1 Garands in the 90s. - Hetman, on 05/21/2009, -0/+6I wish I would have been smart enough to buy guns before this election. Next time we go from a conservative to a liberal I am difinalty buying up guns. You could have made a fortune selling them now.
- CaptCarrot, on 05/21/2009, -2/+8We don't cling "so dearly" -- we cling bitterly. Didn't you get the memo?
- mst3kcrow, on 05/21/2009, -2/+7Too true, the value of my ar15 went from $1100 to $1500 over a weekend in November. Now it's worth about $1900-$2100. I was lucky to have bought it when I did for $900.
- felman87, on 05/21/2009, -2/+7hurray for attaching unrelated amendments!!
- 45superman, on 05/21/2009, -5/+10Enjoying those sour grapes, homercles?
- inactive, on 05/21/2009, -0/+5I picked up a Socom a couple years ago and its a Treat. (Wanted the scout but it was not available...sold out) If you decide to get one, I recommend having the trigger tuned or going for the NM trigger grp.
- Hetman, on 05/21/2009, -0/+5Damn I wonder if the same thing is going to happen on 2012. I know many people who bought guns and ammo before y2k happened.
- wrestlingnrj, on 05/21/2009, -0/+5Which one are you looking at? I've been shooting for the SOCOM II model, but just don't have the extra cash right now.
- Klingon00, on 05/21/2009, -0/+5Korky, I know it sounds good on paper, but the reality of what would happen can already be seen in Mexico where extremely restrictive gun laws are impotent in preventing powerful drug cartels from importing fully automatic military weapons (Stuff that's already essentially illegal in the US) from despotic nations or even from their own government by corrupt politicians. Meanwhile the average Mexican citizen is left defenseless and helpless in the face of these murderous thugs.
Now these cartels are starting to increase their activities here in the US, and further gun bans will only serve to disarm Americans and aid the cartels in their intimidation and murder tactics. Law enforcement can only do so much, but they cannot be everywhere at once. - Christianptriot, on 05/21/2009, -6/+10I would think that, given that the Dems in office now want to STAY in office, they noticed how many people were buying guns and ammo, did the math and realized that they could NEVER get re-elected if they went against the Second Amendment in any meaningful way.
They are Dems, they want liberal laws and a socialistic America - but they want their re-election and votes first.
Yes, folks: politicians do LIE to get votes. - anillop, on 05/21/2009, -1/+5Gun stores and manufactures have been laughing all the way to the bank since Obama came to office. It has become impossible to find ammo this year because people are so paranoid that Obama is going to come and take our guns. In reality he likely has no intention on touching the issue at all because there are far more important things to worry about rather than gun control. This is probably one of the greatest marketing efforts I have ever seen in my life. My hat is off to the NRA and gun manufactures on this one it has been pure genius. Fear is almost as good as sex as far as marketing is concerned.
- e36wheelman, on 05/21/2009, -0/+4I suspect the prices will start going down soon, now that it's apparent that the Obama's political will to pass the AWB is not there.
- Klingon00, on 05/21/2009, -3/+7SneakyNinja, Being that Obama is essentially the head of the Democrat party, that makes Obama's agenda essentially the Democrat agenda by default regardless what is publicly stated. This held true against Republicans and George Bush after all.
The evidence of socialism in Obama's agenda is prolific but I will try to list just a few notable examples.
1) Largest being Nationalized Health care paid for by taxpayers and benefitting all non-taxpayers.
2)Nationalizing the Auto industry and handing over a majority share to the Unions (Doesn't that make them management now? can workers unionize against their old union, their new bosses?). Firing the CEO's without shareholder input (Who are now marginalized behind government and Union ownership). Mass firing of privately owned dealerships with privately owned inventories for no apparent reason than to increase government control on distribution of goods and jobs.
3) Nationalizing the banking system (Nationalizing anything =Collective ownership?)
5) Ludicrous amounts of government spending of money they don't have that over time will lead to a combination of the high levels of inflation and an increase in taxes to try and pay for. Already the administration is talking about implementing higher consumption taxes on just about everything from Gas, to food that EVERYONE needs.
I could go on and on, but it is clear by the definition you posted from Wikipedia that his agenda meets the definition. History has been down this road before many times throughout the world and every time it's been attempted has led to disaster when compared to Americas past success during a time of free market capitalism and less government control. It's sad state of affairs for us, that China has been more pro free-market capitalism lately than the US has been in a long time, and they are now reaping the benefits. We however, are beginning to reap the benefits of socialism.
This has been brewing long before Obama, before Bush even so it's not fair to say Obama's at fault for Socialism in America, but he is sure doing a lot to further it's cause. - e36wheelman, on 05/21/2009, -0/+4Yeah, I shot the other day and since the only ammo I could find were self defense hollow points, it was like 60 cents a round. Ouch.
Target ammo needs to come back quick. - Oakenheart1, on 05/22/2009, -1/+5MadkennyP -
So it's somehow morally superior to die from being hacked to death with a machete, beat with fists, etc? What the hell difference does it make what method or tool a murderer uses to kill you? Check the REST of the picture in these other countries - what's the TOTAL murder rate, all means? How about hot burglary rates? And exactly why do we want to go back to having the strongest man command the situation? Have you no empathy for the disabled or women? The gun is an equalizer of force. What other weapon can a disabled person use or a 100lb woman use to put them on equal footing with a 250lb burglar or rapist?
I'll bet you can't answer a single question logically. - Klingon00, on 05/21/2009, -1/+5Wheelman, I hope you are correct. I have been having difficulty finding ammo of any type around where I live for quite a while. But it appears that some of the more recently popular caliber's are starting to show up again like .380 and .40S&W. I'm hoping that's a sign that the shortages are soon to be over, but I know all it will take is someone in the Obama administration to say something again to put us right back where we were. As it is, I'm extremely tempted to buy any and all ammo I run across now just because it's been so hard to find I fear it may be a while before I see any more.
- SneakyNinja, on 05/21/2009, -4/+7Do you even understand the democratic platform? Do you know what "socialistic" means? I can't fathom how someone could understand both and think the two are related.
From Wikipedia: Socialism in political thought refers to economic theories of social organization advocating collective ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods, and a society characterized by equality for all individuals, with an egalitarian method of compensation.
How do you get that out of the democratic platform?
Either you're misinformed and regurgitating what Fox News/Rush Limbaugh/Anne Coulter/etc. has told you or you're mentally challenged and need psychiatric help. - Hetman, on 05/21/2009, -2/+5The Brady campagn has always been over hyped by the media. At least it was something to keep conservatives busy.
- Klingon00, on 05/21/2009, -0/+3I've been eye-balling the Scout model. I love carbines for some reason. SOCOM II is really nice, but I'm kinda old school. I prefer a wood stock on my classic style rifles. I'd rather have an AR platform if I want black plastic and lots of picatinny rails available. Hard to beat an AR for those features but sometimes a solid chunk of wood and steel is what you just gotta have. :)
- Klingon00, on 05/21/2009, -4/+7homercles, without the 2nd Amendment there stands little but bureaucracy to defend the other Amendments. As we all know, bureaucracy and red tape only slow politicians down, it doesn't stop them. The founding fathers understood this and wrote much on this issue. Unfortunately it is one of the most easily misunderstood amendments and folks are all to willing to overlook the writings and intentions of the authors of the amendment to make statements that it's "out dated" without truly understanding how universal and basic a civil human right it is to have the right to defend yourself and your country. Defend yourself from enemies both foreign and domestic who wish to do away with an "Archaic" constitution and implement tyranny.
- maz2331, on 05/21/2009, -0/+2@45...
The bill is not blatantly unconstitutional. Congress does have the enumerated power to regulate interstate commerce, and credit cards are almost always issued across state lines.
I'm very much a libertarian in outlook, and while I don't like the idea of nixing contract terms, it's also well-settled law that Congress can do so in a bona-fide exercise of an enumerated power. - Christianptriot, on 05/21/2009, -5/+7Not the National Democratic platform - Obama and his administration's personal agenda/platform - which is becoming more clear with every passing week, based upon his decisions, remarks and direction.
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