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  • ilkeryoldas, on 10/10/2007, -222/+257Can anyone sell us some of these stickers (ones that are almost impossible to remove) so that we could go around all bibles and stick them on?
    • Rapax, on 10/10/2007, -80/+99Seconded. Someone please make these.
      • aralls, on 10/10/2007, -19/+19the Freedom From Religion Foundation makes something similar:

        http://ffrf.org/shop/products/details.php?cat=edstickers&ID=ST2
      • DavidBGie, on 10/10/2007, -35/+17@ilkeryoldas
        I wonder if the author/whatever has the nuts to post the Koran like that? No.
        - If you are going to make a statement don't be a coward. Otherwise you are just another sheep with a stupid opinion.
        everyone picks on the Bible today.
        • imperium2000, on 10/10/2007, -12/+32Hmmm...what country do most of us live in? What religion is the biggest intrusion into our daily lives for most of us?
          • Mrstupid7, on 10/10/2007, -12/+10Thank you.
          • CourtesyFlush, on 10/10/2007, -19/+9Intrusion?

            Frankly, rabid atheists and their bigoted propaganda are far more visible than any religious spew I see around here.

            Your "intrusion" excuse is a weak rationalization for blatant bigotry.
          • ScrumFritter, on 10/10/2007, -0/+10You can criticise a mans political choices - that's called debate. Criticise a religion? Suddenly it's bigotry.

            They're the same thing people, both just opinions. Both just ideas. Except one's 'off limits'. I'm sorry, but the only thing that you can judge a person for, fairly, are their beliefs- their OPINIONS about the world - and their actions.

            People seem to be confused - religion and race are not the same thing, one you choose (or are forced into, which I think no one can agree is healthy in any way) and one you don't.
        • CourtesyFlush, on 10/10/2007, -8/+8That is because the term "Islamophobe" is widely used to control Koran bashing.

          Bigotry is obviously relative.
        • UglieJosh, on 10/10/2007, -4/+5That is a scapegoat, Imperium. The reason is, to be honest,a story bashing the Koran would never be sensational enough to reach the front page of Digg.

          I'm an agnostic myself, but things like this are little more than unnecessary flaming of a group of people. The sad part is that this ignorant, mindless group of Diggers make posts like "Krichtenz r teh suxxors" and rise to the top, while intelligent rebuttals by creationists are buried to no end.

          Here is something to break the spirits of the average Digegr, who is both atheist and pro-Ron Paul.

          http://www.lewrockwell.com/paul/paul148.html ((The War On Religion - By: Ron Paul))
          • thePuck77, on 10/10/2007, -2/+8Could you post some links to these intelligent rebuttals by creationists? All I have ever seen are the same re-hashed fallacious arguments, bad science, and claims of persecution. I would love to see an intelligent rebuttal from a creationist.

            /not-holding-breath
    • thepuma77, on 10/10/2007, -40/+83So much our religious freedoms have turned into a circus of arrogance.
      • ByronT, on 10/10/2007, -19/+9*So many
      • DiggsOnlyNeoCon, on 10/10/2007, -19/+22What do you mean, puma?
        • Vindexus, on 10/10/2007, -2/+14I don't know you're being dugg down. Maybe that'll teach to never ask for some elaboration?
      • gromnie, on 10/10/2007, -11/+20You sound like Ted Haggard in 'The Root of All Evil?'.

        "Don't be arrogant," Ted arrogantly proclaimed to Richard Dawkins just before he was outed as a drug abuser and very closeted homosexual.
      • imperium2000, on 10/10/2007, -9/+30Religious freedom for most of the religious applies only to their own religion.
        • UglieJosh, on 10/10/2007, -7/+4And, to the atheists, applies to none of them.
    • blobzorz, on 10/10/2007, -130/+257So wait, you hate it when we push our religion on you, yet, your going to push atheism on us? Wow.
      • KraftDinner101, on 10/10/2007, -31/+93How do you know they're Atheist?
        • mikesbaker, on 10/10/2007, -6/+4because its not our first time on Digg
      • GeneralFailure0, on 10/10/2007, -43/+98It's a joke, relax. You're hardly the persecuted minority.
        • AndrewJC, on 10/10/2007, -20/+53So that makes it okay, just like how black people can tell white jokes, or women can tell jokes about men?

          It's not right in EITHER direction.
          • danielsan1701, on 10/10/2007, -10/+25Women are the majority.
          • cfulp, on 10/10/2007, -10/+5What can you do AndrewJC? Are you going to protest? There's nothing you can do man! Your just going to have to develop a sense of humor =(
          • joe7845, on 10/10/2007, -7/+4You don't understand power dynamics.
          • sakuraz, on 10/10/2007, -9/+5Oh okay, listen to this.

            A girl suddenly sits next to me, and she suddenly says

            This one time at a band camp....

            Oh...oops...I'm not supposed to tell white chick jokes...because I'm an asian right?
          • TheTaoOfBill, on 10/10/2007, -2/+5No... your not allowed to tell white chick jokes because you're not funny.
          • UglieJosh, on 10/10/2007, -5/+5Beautifully said, Andrew. Prejudice is NEVER okay. You, atheists, have become no better than the Christians that tell you that you are going to hell, or whatever crazy ***** it is they believe in.

            For your prejudice, I wish you all the pain of having to argue the same points on the Foxnews.com message board, so you can see what it is like to have your posts ignored and ostracized.
          • amdahlj, on 10/10/2007, -0/+5Racial jokes are fine. Nothing wrong with them.
          • thirdman, on 10/10/2007, -1/+4There is a big difference between racist jokes and religious jokes. Race is something you are, something you are born with, something you have no control over. Religion is a choice and like any other choice it is fair game for comment by those who have made a different choice.
        • acetv, on 10/10/2007, -6/+3Key word being 'persecuted'.
        • arbulus, on 10/10/2007, -29/+63I absolutely hate the "persecuted christians" *****. Christians act like their world is falling down around them and how everyone in the world hates them and they are so afraid because of their faith.

          but:

          How about being afraid to tell someone that you're an atheist because you're afraid of what might happen.
          How about deciding that you no longer want to go to a particular church, and then find out that your family will no longer speak to you because of it. How about being afraid that you wife may leave you because of that family pressure?
          How about being part of one of the statistically most hated demographics of people, just because you choose no religion?

          You want to talk about persecution? This country is a borderline theocracy. Christians are not in anyway persecuted.
          • adrewmc, on 10/10/2007, -36/+14Wow, do you understand how hypocritical you sound? At school we were having a discussion about religions and different groups were divided to show percentages when asked for people that believe in God to stand myself and two others stood, it was a class of thirty-two. Later that day I was jumped by four other kids from that class I got away after knocking two out but they knocked out the other kid and wrote "I believe In Fiction" on his forehead. Lets compare the history of persecution, when you atheists are fed to lions just for fun or are attacked every day just for saying that you do believe in something then it will be different, but its not. Why do you insist that the bible is false, by your reasoning all articles and documents promoting atheism must have this same label and all poems and speeches must be put under fiction. ATHEIST ARE NOT BEING PERSECUTED. I will stop going to mass twice a week and I will even pay for 100,000 of these stickers if you can tell me where are the matter in the universe came from or explain something I have no explanation for. You cannot tell someone what they believe or should believe, they must decide for themselves and I despise people that try to put labels on religious material.

            People need to stop arguing about religions and start understanding that for everyone it is different. I personally am outraged that one of my friends was expelled in school for wearing a cross when there were no rules against wearing jewelry. We also will be expelled on site for having a copy of the bible or tora or Koran, they say that it shows we are religious extremists if we pray before a meal.

            The Jewish people were killed by the millions and enslaved, now there one paradise is threatened, you know nothing of persecution.
          • khalidur2, on 10/10/2007, -7/+20i do not approve of the parent comment but when you say "I will stop going to mass twice a week and I will even pay for 100,000 of these stickers if you can tell me where are the matter in the universe came from or explain something I have no explanation for".....i literally feel like attacking you, this is because just because I, as an atheist do not have the answers that doesn't mean i have to believe in an answer with absolutely no validity and if objectively looked at is absurd. if you were bought up in a culture that was predominantly atheist and one day an exploer landed and started preaching one of those abrahmic religions you would pity that man or laugh at him
          • Wootery, on 10/10/2007, -4/+3@adrewmc (Can't reply to you - digg is broken)

            Are you sure you live in America?
          • JoshReflek, on 10/10/2007, -7/+9Buried as FAKE/stupid:
            1. where do you live that discussing religion in school is allowed?
            2. 'i knocked that kid out and forceably embalzed my beliefs on his forehead' sounds like you lost an argument and are hurt about it, /tissue
            also, if you're argument for the origins of the soul and the universe are so right and true, then why must you force it on someone?
          • feoren, on 10/10/2007, -5/+9adrewmc, you know how I know that's a huge ***** lie? Because Bill O'Rielly would have had a gigantic orgasm for 3 weeks on his show if that had happened in a school and he could use it to call all liberals satanists.
          • badjoke, on 10/10/2007, -2/+7@andrewmc

            That label only lists facts, not opinions. Also, pay more attention in school so you can use correct grammar in your arguments.
        • JoshReflek, on 10/10/2007, -4/+1busted comment system.....keeps deleting the rest of what i write......doomit
      • zeroMPHfallover, on 10/10/2007, -25/+74How is this pushing atheism on you?
        • TenebrousX, on 10/10/2007, -6/+11blobzorz was refering to the parent's comment about sticking these on any Bibles he sees
        • KraftDinner101, on 10/10/2007, -15/+30That's still not forcing Atheism. The sticker says nothing about not believing in any God.
          • Mearn, on 10/10/2007, -14/+16No it just claims that the book there religion is based upon is a work of fiction!
          • bigturns, on 10/10/2007, -10/+31do you have proof to the contrary?
          • badjoke, on 10/10/2007, -2/+9The proof of the atrocities listed are right behind the cover.
          • arcthemonkey, on 10/10/2007, -1/+7I think he's referring to the fact that putting disclaimer stickers on books on evolution is often referred to as forcing religion down people's throat, and would certainly be if they were so forceful.
          • elsagacious, on 10/10/2007, -3/+4Those ***** books are in every ***** hotel room in the country. Who's forcing who here? I'll stop putting down your stupid religion if you get it out of my ***** face.
          • Iam9376, on 10/10/2007, -2/+5@ arcthemonkey

            And what should the disclaimer be for books on evolution? "Warning! Contents within based on decades of world-wide collaboration, debate, evidence and testing. As a result, the information contained within is deemed scientific theory*"
            * scientific theory is different than whats normally considered theory, ex: gravity is a scientific theory, where by we can observe, test and product results that compliment the theory, "A scientific theory is a careful attempt to explain certain observable facts of nature by means of experiments."
      • SpectralSounds, on 10/10/2007, -22/+37No no no... Its different when they do it. Don't you know that certain groups of people who hold certain beliefs are inherently better than everyone else?

        /sarcasm
      • 0ddity, on 10/10/2007, -25/+89Apparently Blobzorz has never read the bible. Everything the sticker says it contains, it does in fact contain. How is that pushing an atheistic agenda?
        • skyh, on 10/10/2007, -20/+21The problem is, this sticker suggests that the Bible is completely advocating all the terrible things on there, which is an insult to Christians. I agree, the Bible shouldn't be taken literally, but the rest of that is a bunch of crap. The Bible contains writings which include stories of people who have done terrible things, thus why all that even exists. So yes, when you're taking specific things completely out of context in order to make something look bad, yes, that is pushing some sort of agenda.
          • Elranzer, on 10/10/2007, -8/+20"So yes, when you're taking specific things completely out of context in order to make something look bad"

            Um, that's exactly what Christians do with the Bible. It works both ways. (ie. taking Leviticus out of context in order to push anti-homosexual agenda).
          • JoshReflek, on 10/10/2007, -6/+6@skyh:

            it does advocate those things....read it

            there is no context implied by the warning label, do you know what that word even means? and if you think those simple labels on the content (not context), look bad, then that is your opinion, since none is implied within the context of the label itself. you are the one pushing an agenda, attempting to sound like you're persecuted, simply for being called on the content of the bible.

            here is the quick test.
            does it contain those things?
            yes?
            ok then, stfu and pay more attention.
          • arcthemonkey, on 10/10/2007, -4/+3That's complete BS. Nowhere in the Bible does is advocate homosexuality (regardless of whether or not you feel leviticus is beign taken out of contect), sadomasochism, voyeurism (The story of Bath Sheba is hardly advocating it), rape (which is what I assume about sexual activity in a violant context) or Bestiality. The label does say "descriptive or advocating", so fortunately the person who made it wasn't as ignorant as some of our present company.
          • arcthemonkey, on 10/10/2007, -7/+1That's complete BS. Nowhere in the Bible does is advocate homosexuality (regardless of whether or not you feel leviticus is beign taken out of contect), sadomasochism, voyeurism (The story of Bath Sheba is hardly advocating it), rape (which is what I assume about sexual activity in a violant context) or Bestiality. The label does say "descriptive or advocating", so fortunately the person who made it wasn't as ignorant as some of our present company.
          • Jugalator, on 10/10/2007, -2/+5"The problem is, this sticker suggests that the Bible is completely advocating all the terrible things on there, which is an insult to Christians."

            Advocating OR DESCRIBING the acts listed. Read the tag again.
        • wintersland, on 10/10/2007, -8/+5Yes .. "stories"
        • skyh, on 10/10/2007, -5/+1@wintersland

          You point that out as if to try and belittle my point by associating the word "story" with "fictional", when in fact a story can be fact or fiction.
          • JoshReflek, on 10/10/2007, -1/+4
            @skyh:
            your retort would be valid if the book made a distinction between which of its stories are pure fact or total fiction.
            i do not challenge you to distort some other section of it, to prove it's own validity, on a case by case basis, that is ever changing and cant be wrong, since you must be tired of doing that by now.
          • DavidBGie, on 10/10/2007, -4/+2"Bibles Should Come With a Disclaimer"
            If the Bible was left wing then the above title would simply be hate speech. Case closed and on CNN at 8:00.
            "Hateful Bible deniers EXPOSED!!"
        • Konstantino, on 10/10/2007, -1/+4Maybe by saying it's a work of fiction?
      • weizbox, on 10/10/2007, -16/+51How would this be pushing atheism? It's a warning label that has creditable statements. This would be pushing the knowledge of safety onto others, just as cigarettes have warnings... but not pushing atheism by any means since it is only on one book that is even interrupted many different ways within the religion. Some of those ways already do take into account that it is no literal, which already clears a good bit of the warning out of the way.
        • netkid91, on 10/10/2007, -8/+3interrupted? You mean interpreted right? I was thinking, why do religions have interrupts, and how many MIPS do they pull?
      • murch33, on 10/10/2007, -14/+66I've never had to tell an atheist to go ***** himself because he knocked on my door at 8:00 on a Saturday morning.
        • chutney, on 10/10/2007, -4/+22You haven't met my friend Dave then.
        • arcthemonkey, on 10/10/2007, -0/+0Hehe, I was gonna say, "... I have..."
      • betterth, on 10/10/2007, -26/+8I agree blobzorz. Here in Cobb County there are "warning labels" about evolution, because, honestly, the scientific theory of the creation of our planet, while plausible, is totally and inherently unproved and never will be, became such a huge fiasco because of these EXACT same people posting here on Digg, but when they retaliate with something arguably worse, it's "all fun and games" and since it fits their prescribed belief pattern its "credible and should be entertained". Hypocrisy at it's best.
        • cfulp, on 10/10/2007, -8/+4We know that the big bang happened (universal expansion is still happening). We just don't know what happened before that...well too much before that. We know that evolution exists. But, we don't know how something sprang out of nothing. The difference is evolution and the big bang theory are theories derived from available data. Whereas religion isn't based on any facts what so ever.
        • imperium2000, on 10/10/2007, -5/+16Hypocrisy? Let see, evolution a field of science that forms the basis for modern biology, genetics, epidemiology, pharmacology medicine etc. and The Bible, an ancient book with poor archaeological and historical foundation with sections advocating violence, genocide and incest. You are an idiot.
          • JoshReflek, on 10/10/2007, -2/+3@imperium2k: too bad the zombies dont want to listen or pay attention to consistant reality, instead of all the lunacy, no matter how intellegently laid out.
        • bonedead, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2Let's not forget that in "Cobb County" the ***** is actually on the science books. Whereas this is just a picture of a label on ONE ***** bible, douche.
      • spyd3rweb, on 10/10/2007, -6/+15the christians cant take a joke!
        • Nowaiman, on 10/10/2007, -3/+2Fine, then I'm putting a sticker on Richard Dawkins that explains he isn't real. HA!

          (he's a robot)
    • KatieBee, on 10/10/2007, -67/+94wow. people actually advocating committing a crime against people who read the Bible. it's called vandalism and destruction of property.

      hey, yeah, let's put offensive stickers that won't come off on someones property because we don't agree with them! what a great idea!!

      genius.
      • FriskDown, on 10/10/2007, -24/+24It's a JOKE. It may not be funny to you, but it is just a JOKE.
        • sumrandommember, on 10/10/2007, -2/+3And that is how harassment suits begin.
      • EarlOfLade, on 10/10/2007, -29/+36When you and your fellow christians stop pushing the drivel as facts, I'll stop too.
      • bpmdub, on 10/10/2007, -13/+56You mean like how my CD collection has been vandalized with "Tipper Stickers" by the Christians that find them "Morally Offensive"?
        • Birdoftruth, on 10/10/2007, -8/+19That is like saying people who wanted the ESRB to exist were all Christians.
          • skjalff, on 10/10/2007, -2/+6They were. If not all then most of them. Also likely >50% white :)
        • danielsan1701, on 10/10/2007, -1/+9I always wondered what kickass bit of cover art that label was hiding.
      • cfulp, on 10/10/2007, -9/+8All my video games, movies, television shows, and music have ratings. Some books were thrown out of my high school library back in the day because they contained sins. Is it so implausible to have a warning label about the violence and sex contained with in the bible?

        All seriousness aside though, it's just a joke.
      • TheSavant, on 10/10/2007, -6/+4Also, those bibles are put there for people to take. They aren't anyone's property until someone takes them.
        • mikesbaker, on 10/10/2007, -1/+2just like the towels right? and the pillows? and the TV too?
        • roguetrick, on 10/10/2007, -1/+2Do you think the hotel itself pays to place those bibles in there?
        • TheSavant, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1No, you idiots. The Gideons put those bibles there. For free. For people to take.
      • diggimator, on 10/10/2007, -3/+6"it's called vandalism and destruction of property. "
        After reading your accusations, I looked into the matter further and found out this is just a link to a freakin picture. Lighten up. We have warning labels on DVDs, cigarette boxes, and what have you. Some hyperbole.
      • Wasson101, on 10/10/2007, -4/+3I don't understand why this sticker would be considered "offensive"
        Since when is the truth considered offensive??

    • BrentIrwin, on 10/10/2007, -48/+21First of all, the warning and exposure warning are completely untrue. And the content advisory is to show that Jesus forgive you for those things. Has anyone heard of the first amendment here? Freedom of RELIGION is there. So you have absolutely no right to say it's wrong to believe that. If I EVER see that sticker on a bible, I will never shop at that store again. Like blobzorz said, we are not forcing you to become Christians, so you have absolutely no right to force us to be atheists.
      • glasnostic, on 10/10/2007, -18/+23"So you have absolutely no right to say it's wrong to believe that."

        Yes I do. It’s called freedom of speech. Look it up.

        Oh and you are wrong to believe anything in the bible. It’s a book of fairytales.
        • OneHine, on 10/10/2007, -10/+31Isn't it amazing that when Christians tell us that we deserve to be tortured for the awful crime of not believing them, it's freedom of religion. But when we merely ask for evidence for their beliefs before we accept them ourselves, we're somehow violating their rights?
          • chuck3330, on 10/10/2007, -12/+8i believe every one, especially myself, deserves hell for their (my) sins. i believe that Christ died for the sins of the whole world.
          • glasnostic, on 10/10/2007, -9/+12@Chuck

            sounds like you hate your self and everybody very much. just like your god
          • JDove6, on 10/10/2007, -2/+1And I believe you're an idiot
        • Judersi, on 10/10/2007, -6/+5Fairytales eh? Too bad you're too ignorant to see the truth. No, I'm not one to push my religion on anyone. I hate it when I get woken up on a Saturday morning to Jahovah Witnesses knocking at my door, but I don't tell them to go to hell because they are doing what they believe. I don't say what they believe is a fairytale. It's people like you who give freedom of religion a bad name.
          • fluoro, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1@Brantano: (can't respond to yours for some reason, digg seems hosed): I'm sort of torn, because I agree with both of you. I feel like it is an injustice to passively stand by and allow people's minds to rot. But at the same time, I understand that for any Christian or Muslim who -really- believes in their religion, it would be an injustice NOT to try to convert us because in their own mind they absolutely know for a fact that we are going to hell. I disagree with them, but I understand their position. To be honest, the ones I don't understand so much are the ones who claim to be hardcore followers of the religion, but they idly stand by and don't give a ***** that I'm going to hell for my lack of faith.

            That said, I do not go out of my way to try to enlighten religious people and reverse what I consider to be the brain-rot. It's too difficult, because in most cases it's just how they were brought up from an early age. Similarly, I was brought up without any religious teaching at all and by the time I became aware of religion it just didn't make sense to me. I obviously don't feel that anything negative is going to happen individually to people if I fail to convert them away from religion, so in that sense I think it's much more ethical for an atheist to not try to convert people than it is for a Christian or a Muslim to not try. But I still feel bad to a certain extent because I personally feel that religion (be it Christianity, Islam, or whatever) is Bad[tm] for society.
      • KraftDinner101, on 10/10/2007, -13/+32That sticker is not forcing you to be Atheist, nor is it suggesting you to. It's merely telling you what the bible's contents are, and if you've ever READ the bible you would know that the sticker is true. I'm not addressing you rant about freedoms since I do not live in your country, so I don't care what freedoms you *think* you have.
        • FatherVic, on 10/10/2007, -4/+2cool, but no one is handing them out at public schools.
      • GMorgan, on 10/10/2007, -2/+23"So you have absolutely no right to say it's wrong to believe that."

        You seem to misunderstand free speech. It is that very thing that gives me the right to say it's wrong to believe x. That wouldn't make it any more than my opinion of course.

        Free speech is not a tool for deflecting criticism. In fact it's most important function is to allow criticism.
        • siszam, on 10/10/2007, -7/+2But you go beyond free speech into persecution. Use your dictionary and enlighten yourself.
        • JDove6, on 10/10/2007, -1/+5Persecution is a bit strong for saying someone believes lies. In fact the dictionary definition is more along the lines of cruelty and torture, not simply stating opinion.

          A christian can say it's wrong to defame god but I can't say its wrong to believe that?
      • dixonHill, on 10/10/2007, -4/+12Yes, freedom of religion is guaranteed in the first amendment (well, for those of you who live in the U.S. anyway...not sure if you know the poster is from the U.S...you might want to avoid that assumption, given that there is a fairly large world outside the U.S.' borders.) However, freedom of speech is also guaranteed by that self same amendment, which means that your fellow Americans absolutely DO have the right to SAY it's "wrong to believe that", just as you have the right to SAY the opposite.

        And, um...who's trying to "force you to be atheists"? Articulating an opinion disagreeing with the contents of the bible (albeit in a somewhat inflammatory way, namely by suggesting the defacement of the book itself) isn't really much different than articulating an opinion in support of its content. NEITHER of those things "forces" me to be anything.

        Tell me, if hotels have the "right" to place a bible in the drawer of my nightstand, by your reasoning "forcing" me to be a Christian, do you believe they also have the "right" to place books supporting opposing views? Perhaps one of these:

        http://www.amazon.com/Quotable-Atheist-Ammunition-Non-Believers-Hell-Bound/dp/1560259698/ref=pd_bbs_4/105-2279545-5957200

        http://www.amazon.com/Gospel-Flying-Spaghetti-Monster/dp/0812976568/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1/105-2279545-5957200

        Or would that be "forcing" you to have a sense of humor?
        • gbro, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1Hotels in my country always put secular magazines and such in the room, as well as a Bible from the Gideons or some other organisation. I don't have a problem with it. I could, I guess, ring reception and demand they remove all literature from the room but I just ignore them generally.
          • MacEnvy, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1I would venture to guess that "your country" is not the United States, and in general that's where atheist angst on digg comes from. I've traveled a bit around my country (the US), and I've never seen anything but a Gideon bible in the nightstand - never any other literature, and always, ALWAYS, a bible. I check every time, and I've only not found a bible once - and it was replaced in the next day or so that I was there (I assume by the chamber maids, though perhaps not on explicit instruction by the hotel).
      • arbulus, on 10/10/2007, -2/+16Freedom of religion also includes freedom FROM religion.
      • bigturns, on 10/10/2007, -5/+5@BrentIrwin, you are making our case for us - better you close your browser and go back to beating your wife (which is also advocated in your book).
        • HellRat, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2In no way does it advocate that. The New testament, which should be the basis for all doctrine, says to love your neighbor as yourself. Neighbor being a general term for all people.
      • lunarvision, on 10/10/2007, -1/+1@bigturns

        Ha ha ha.. that wasn't so nice, but it was pretty funny. I think that case (what you wrote) could be said for about half the religious nuts desperately trying to argue their cause with reason.
      • Lyk4n, on 10/10/2007, -1/+4You're forcing us to become Christians when you put the bible into legislature and my grandparents die from diseases that could have been cured by stem cell research. Stop voting for people just because they are Christians and act like responsible citizens!
      • mrfuzzy129, on 10/10/2007, -1/+0dude why would u post this? damn, ur just asking to be dugg down. u know 97% of digg is atheist*

        *stat made up, but probably true

    • Anachronus, on 10/10/2007, -21/+59Defacing any books with permenant stickers is offensive.

      • teh_techie, on 10/10/2007, -2/+49yeah... I hate when the bookstore throws a 30% off sticker on my books! Dammit, those don't come off!
      • chuck3330, on 10/10/2007, -3/+9yes but as long as its your own book i don't think there should be anything illegal about it. freedom of speech
      • ChessPieceFace, on 10/10/2007, -3/+8Like biology texbooks?
      • DeFex, on 10/10/2007, -2/+7they have horrible offensive stickers on cigarettes as well and they dont kill nearly as many people as that book.
        • HellRat, on 10/10/2007, -0/+0It's not that book it's the church and the misinterpretation of that book. If you read very much of the New Testament it has a very anarchist tone.
    • roomforpanic, on 10/10/2007, -19/+32Yeah, destruction of property, that's not "revenge, lawlessness, fanaticism, or bigotry" at all.
      • Calcularius, on 10/10/2007, -4/+2What has been destroyed?
      • ChessPieceFace, on 10/10/2007, -3/+10I agree like those stickers these "freedom loving christians" want to place on biology text books.
    • jacobmiller, on 10/10/2007, -20/+19Here is the image, so you can print it, It's easy to find sticker paper that can be used on most inkjet printers, so get to work :)

      http://www.myconfinedspace.com/wp-content/uploads/2006/11/bible-disclaimer-label.png
      • jacobmiller, on 10/10/2007, -4/+6Hmm, I'm being modded down. Did anyone say the bold text that says "DO NOT TAKE THIS LITERALLY" ??? I'm not a bigot, I just believe that religions should be discussed on their merits like any other philosophy of life.
        • Nowaiman, on 10/10/2007, -1/+3Sorry I can't hear you over the sound of you being dugg down. Me too probably.
    • skyh, on 10/10/2007, -12/+18While you're at it, print out stickers for every book in existence, so that people know before they read that there's a chance they might disagree with the contents. Leave no stone unturned, right?
      • OneHine, on 10/10/2007, -5/+23As soon as people start getting murdered over the interpretation of "Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban", you'll have a point.
        • rodted2, on 10/10/2007, -4/+1What about the bombing at the bookstore in iraq?
        • skyh, on 10/10/2007, -4/+6That's a problem with people, not the Bible. They just use the Bible to justify it, and it's a terrible thing. Real Christians don't kill, because that violates the sanctity of life. Besides, unless I'm really out of the loop, most of the "killing over the Bible" stuff occurred back when there wasn't separation of church and state, so from what I understand that's not really much of an issue anymore.
          • imperium2000, on 10/10/2007, -5/+9A "No Real Scotsman Fallacy". Define "Real Christian". Are our soldiers real? What about police? Who defines the idea of a real Christian? You?
    • jsmrekar, on 10/10/2007, -8/+10
      Sometimes it is better to have people think you are an idiot than to open your mouth and remove all doubt.
      • Otto, on 10/10/2007, -2/+5After reading your comments, I think you should heed your own advice.
    • mashw, on 10/10/2007, -10/+9You vindictive *****.

      Sincerely an Atheist.
    • over9, on 10/10/2007, -8/+7The fact that this causes so much controversy in here just goes to show how ***** up America is.
    • capnawesome, on 10/10/2007, -5/+1We could follow the Gideons around and give every hotel room a little Atheism-in' up!

      really though...that would be pretty bogus.
    • quaxon, on 10/10/2007, -7/+5this is a great sticker but it left off the warning about not taking the whole exorcism part seriously like this family did
      http://digg.com/offbeat_news/The_Latest_In_Christian_Craziness_Family_Performs_Exorcism_On_3_Year_Old
    • phenry50BMG, on 10/10/2007, -5/+4Are you going to put the sticker on these bibles too?

      http://www.amazon.com/Satanic-Bible-Anton-Szandor-Lavey/dp/0380015390

      Let's stay consistent folks.
      • noamsml, on 10/10/2007, -2/+5Of course. What makes you think that we Atheists are any less opposed to Satanism than we are to Christianity?
        • Jugalator, on 10/10/2007, -1/+5It's not really about being *opposed* to belief systems to me, but more about taking them for what they are, and not for more than they are. Sure, if people choose to believe in the Holy Bible, I'll let them be free to do so, but I can also say that what it claims on the sticker is right from what I know at least.
    • wares, on 10/10/2007, -7/+3I would like an impossible to remove label that identifies this Digger as a atheistic socialist moron.
      Something I could affix to his forehead would be nice. I have staples if we need 'em.
      • ArgusSmith, on 10/10/2007, -2/+1How are his comments socialistic?
        • candre23, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3Anybody who disagrees with the religious "right" is a god-hating commie. Didn't you get the memo?
      • wares, on 10/10/2007, -1/+0Most people who hate the bible are god-hating commies. Didn't you get the memo?
    • cnot3, on 10/10/2007, -8/+8Can we also get ones that say "Atheism may cause mild to moderate douchery with occasional pussification." to stick on dawkins' book?
      • MrQuoz, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1Sure. If you admit that this statement is as valid as the sticker on the bible.
    • Zraythe, on 10/10/2007, -3/+11http://images.google.com/images?gbv=2&svnum=10&hl=en&newwindow=1&q=cobb+disclaimer&btnG=Search+Images This sticker is a joke in response to this sticker that has been placed on thousands of SCIENCE BOOKS.
    • sporefrog, on 10/10/2007, -1/+7a) I'm surprised nobody sooner brought up the fact that these stickers are a response to stickers on science books
      b) If the worst thing Bible-toters had ever done was put stickers on things I might be more persuaded by the argument that this represents non-Bible-toters 'getting out of hand'
      c) This is not going to start a raise of Christian intolerance, keep your pants on.
      d) I think that, in a society dominated by largely by one group (Christians), it's healthy to see a little dissent to raise consciousness.
      • arcthemonkey, on 10/10/2007, -0/+0The stickers on the science books urge the reader to research and think independantly. These bible stickers mock the material and urge the reader to reject them outright. Not even comparable.
    • troyrobinson, on 10/10/2007, -2/+1This is so dumb. Is everyone here Atheist? Anyway, just because you are not Christian doesn't give you the right to bash on our religion. I don't bash on people for being Atheist in fact I have a lot of Atheist friends. The bible is definitely not fiction and even from a non-Christian standpoint the bible is often used as a historical reference. You don't have to be Christian to respect others beliefs. I respect everyone's beliefs no matter what religion(or non-religion) they hold.
  • Liam76, on 10/10/2007, -78/+816If this was on a Koran it would be a hate crime.
    • veilrap, on 10/10/2007, -26/+64Sad, but true.
      • ishwarchand, on 10/10/2007, -11/+17Those who dugg him down are fools. It is a considered a sin in Islam to say or do anything against the Koran or Qur'an as it is called by Muslims.
        • kumiko, on 10/10/2007, -1/+2when is "sin in Islam" is the same as "hate crime"?
      • ishwarchand, on 10/10/2007, -22/+6Those who dugg him down are fools. It is a considered a sin in Islam to say or do anything against the Koran or Qur'an as it is called by Muslims.
      • ishwarchand, on 10/10/2007, -19/+6Those who dugg him down are fools. It is a considered a sin in Islam to say or do anything against the Koran or Qur'an as it is called by Muslims.
      • jtb4, on 10/10/2007, -2/+14I double dare someone to photoshop a Koran with those stickers and post a link to it in this thread. Double dare!
      • moxx, on 10/10/2007, -2/+19I love to commit photoshop hatecrimes.
        http://img409.imageshack.us/img409/1865/quranvb1.jpg
        • EugeneMcCanless, on 10/10/2007, -6/+2You forgot that pedophilia is supported if not encouraged in the Koran
        • jtb4, on 10/10/2007, -0/+7Way to go Moxx!
    • JonnyTrombone, on 10/10/2007, -61/+17If I flush a Bible down the toilet and get arrested for a hate crime, will you shut up? Because I will try it if you say yes.
      • thcobbs, on 10/10/2007, -4/+23Yes. And if you don't get arrested for a hate crime, you'll have to shut up about religious freedoms.
      • rholloway, on 10/10/2007, -6/+5where's the hate crime there? All I see is some whiny atheist throwing a temper tantrum--whatever validates you is cool by the 1st Amendment but you still have to live with your own self-doubt. To any atheist, all I can say is, if you're confident in your belief, you shouldn't have to work so hard to defend it or defile those beliefs you don't accept.

        Just admit you're angry at your parents and move on.
        • candre23, on 10/10/2007, -1/+3"To any atheist, all I can say is, if you're confident in your belief, you shouldn't have to work so hard to defend it or defile those beliefs you don't accept."

          To any christian all I can say is, if you're confident in your belief, you shouldn't have to pass laws enforcing your arbitrary religious guidelines on people who don't believe in them, go door to door attempting to convert everybody to your side, clog the radio and television airwaves with intolerant propaganda, blight the landscape with billboards about how we're all going to hell, and actively oppose science and reason at every turn.

          The warning label depicted was created in response to the warning labels plastered on science textbooks insisting that evolution is "just one opinion". The theory of evolution is the "opinion" of just about all legitimate scientists and academics who have over 100 years of meticulous research and experimentation (not to mention a couple hundred million years of fossil record) to back them up. The bible, meanwhile, is the "opinion" of a couple dozen desert-dwelling madmen who lived over a thousand years before the invention of toilet paper.

          So since they're both just opinions, and christians clearly think books containing one opinion need to be branded as such, why all the hostility towards equal truth in marketing?
        • Raytown, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1All of this stuff abut people losing faith and becoming atheists has already been prophesied . In Mark 13 and Mathew 24 it says that the famine will not be for food but for the word of God. I'm not a "religious" person per se, but a lot of the stuff in the bible that has been prophesied, and to be fair a lot of it hasn't come to pass as well. It is really up to the individual what you want to believe. But everybody will get the same chance according to the Bible no matter what you believe :D
        • rholloway, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1@candre23
          One man's propaganda is another man's free speech. Seems that if the atheists outnumbered the Christians, you'd behave the same way.
    • OneHine, on 10/10/2007, -27/+58I suspected that Liam76 was a troll at first, but then I saw all the Christians in this thread who acted as the existence of this picture itself was a hate-crime, and I realized that Liam was completely correct. Why is it perfectly acceptable to hate and discriminate against other people if you rationalize it with religion, but the second you question that religion it's a hate-crime?
      • cusoman, on 10/10/2007, -17/+57The picture in question is not questioning the religion, it is outright denying it and leaving no room for rational discussion. This digg "story" was made as flame-bait, nothing more, nothing less. It should come as no surprise that Christians who come to Digg are responding this way.
        • glasnostic, on 10/10/2007, -23/+21there is no room for rational discussions when religion is on the table. evvery single argument ever presented by a religionist boils down to "magic is real"

          sorry, i like reality
        • cusoman, on 10/10/2007, -9/+15The reality of bashing people's beliefs because they don't match your own?

          Excuse my over-used Rodney King cliche, but: "Can't we all just get along?"
        • glasnostic, on 10/10/2007, -12/+13Oh so I take it you wouldn’t bat an eye if I said unicorns were real, aliens were controlling the government, and GWB was personally responsible for planning the 9/11 attacks? Or are you only tolerant of ***** beliefs as long as they are held by a majority of the population?

          Sorry buddy, these assholes pray every day for the rapture so they can float up to heaven while I bun in hell. I have every right to point out the error in their ways the same way I would mock and ridicule somebody who thought the earth was flat, or WTC7 was an inside job.

          I don’t ridicule Christians because their beliefs don’t align with mine. I ridicule them because they ignore reality. And please tell me you wouldn’t ever tell the Westborough Baptists they are wrong.
        • cusoman, on 10/10/2007, -4/+12You're going about it all wrong.

          Yes, I would bat an eye, but I wouldn't get angry and ridicule them, in fact I'd entertain their ideas and try to find out why they believe what they believe in order to better understand the PERSON. I would do the same with a Westborough Baptist and any other person of any other walk of life, belief system or lack thereof.

          In order to avoid invoking a "no true scotsman" flood of comments, I am only going to say that for every "*****" that prays for himself and could care less about you, there are probably just as many that aren't in it for themselves and wish to see the end of such hatred as displayed by so many groups around the world. You are right, you do have the right to point out errors that you perceive, but doing so spitefully is only going to be met with resistance and an unwillingness to have a real discussion with that person.
        • glasnostic, on 10/10/2007, -4/+11Keep in mind that the sick in question is obviously a direct response to the warning stickers placed on science books. Personally I would only put the stickers on hotel bibles, and since those are being placed there as a way to force me to see some ridiculous belief system I feel I have every right to point out what a load of crap it is. Mind you, nothing about that sicker is mean. It’s just factual. If I ran around advocating murder or child rape, you certainly wouldn’t be considered a bigot for pointing that out.
        • cusoman, on 10/10/2007, -9/+5Those are placed on science books because the material in them has not fully been verified and many works of science contain many theories that the scientists who wrote it want to let the reader know may not be full truths. From your standpoint I see how the same could be said about the Bible, but we're talking about a book that's been around for centuries and really isn't in the same vein of publications distributed today.

          Hotel bibles are a completely different story. They are put there as a courtesy to those that might want to read them. There isn't some overarching conspiracy between all Hotel owners to convert their customers to Christianity no more than there's a conspiracy to get Dentist Office visitors to take up rock climbing because there's copies of "Rock Climber Monthly" on the table in the waiting area.
        • omikun, on 10/10/2007, -1/+11"Those are placed on science books because the material in them has not fully been verified and many works of science contain many theories that the scientists who wrote it want to let the reader know may not be full truths."

          My initial reaction was one of anger but after thinking it out, I agree with you. Evolution explains much and is incredibly useful but it does not explain the full truth, just as Newton's gravity was incomplete and the general theory of relativity doesn't explain what happens inside black holes. But that's hardly the same thing as a book with unverifiable sources, no third party support, logical contradictions, all the things mentioned in the sticker. The fact that it was published a long time ago should make it even more vulnerable to corruption and distortion and misinterpretation. Not so with modern publications where there are peer reviews and a scientific community to oversee what is put on the book is true and accurate and updated.
        • cusoman, on 10/10/2007, -1/+3My point was, because of the fact that the Bible is not subject to modern publication standards, trying to get a sticker placed on the book is a futile effort. And because of that fact, making something like this is quite obviously not an attempt to start a movement to get that to happen, but just to encourage malice towards a specific group in the Digg community.
        • quaxon, on 10/10/2007, -7/+3there is nothing rational about your beliefs and all the pain and suffering it causes around the world. religion is a scape goat used by you ***** to cover all the evil ***** you do like hurting little children and spreading hate. if you dont believe me check out this story from a few days ago
          this is a great sticker but it left off the warning about not taking the whole exorcism part seriously like this family did
          http://digg.com/offbeat_news/The_Latest_In_Christian_Craziness_Family_Performs_Exorcism_On_3_Year_Old
        • cusoman, on 10/10/2007, -0/+4Since you're using "you" alot in your comment, would you care to provide evidence that I do in fact "hurt little children" and "spread hate"?
        • noamsml, on 10/10/2007, -1/+4Hello. Welcome to our world. This is how we feel when you people try to advocate your religion.

          Honestly, I have less of a problem with belief than I do with the condescending certainty many Christians have. And they have the balls to call Atheists arrogant.
      • gerran, on 10/10/2007, -6/+17Since when is denying a belief a "hate crime"? Crimes are committed against people. You can't commit a crime against an idea or set of ideas. The Bible is a collection of absurd beliefs that need and must be exposed for the crap they are. This image does not suggest any kind of violence or hate against anyone. It merely points out the contents of the Bible as they are. That's it. If you find that offensive. Good. It will make you think.
      • Crusader1145, on 10/10/2007, -3/+15If you put that sticker on a Koran I can pretty much guarantee you that it would be considered a hate crime.
      • siszam, on 10/10/2007, -11/+6You can disagree with Christian beliefs all you want but posting things like this and having several little hate fests per day, calling names and saying the abominable things that people say on here about Christians is not questioning them. It's persecuting them. You wouldn't say it's alright to do those things to any other religion, race, or group but you don't see the hypocricy and bigotry in doing it to Christians. Atheism is no longera group of people who don't believe in God. It is a hate group actively persecuting and inciting hate towards a group of people simply because you don't agree with them. Additionally, most of you take pride in doing that. You have no shame or moral compass at all and you're proud of it.
        • quaxon, on 10/10/2007, -5/+3when christians are caught doing stupid things they get persecited. same happens with every other person with stupid beliefs. dont believe me just go look at a thread on the muslim honor killings. dont act like you guys are the only ones getting ***** when its everyone with a stupid belief.
        • Ajjah, on 10/10/2007, -1/+2The intelligent discussion that takes place is not "calling names". Even if the discussion opposing the Christian's side WAS calling names, that could hardly be considered persecution.

          Secondly, I believe it is wrong to stereotype an ENTIRE group of people, based on the actions of a few individuals. Atheists are not hating the Christians, any more than a normal Muslim man is blowing himself up on a street corner. You don't want all Christians to be considered and judged like the KKK, would you?

          I am a Christian, but I agree with this statement. The bible DOES contain falsehoods, and I am, quite frankly, surprised that the Church would continue to maintain that the bible is ENTIRELY fact.
    • Skitzzo, on 10/10/2007, -23/+110Christians get slammed on Digg for being closed minded and bigoted. I guess this is "enlightened"...
      • skyh, on 10/10/2007, -18/+2Way to stereotype...
      • enginbeering, on 10/10/2007, -4/+6Not sure about enlightened.

        It's funny as hell though.
        • Skitzzo, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1Unfortunate turn of phrase...
        • mikesbaker, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2first time on the internet? cause thats one old ass pic. but hey any excuse to attack christians on digg.
      • sp1keNARF, on 10/10/2007, -0/+6I think you've made the smartest comment in the thread. Relentlessly bashing Christianity is equally as extreme as being a fundamental Christian. Reasonable people just accept both viewpoints as what they are, other people's beliefs or assertions ;)
      • willr001, on 10/10/2007, -5/+1I don't think this is slamming christianity, just pointing out the dangers of exposing children to it as infallible truth or of taking it too literally. Nowhere does it say that it isn't worth reading or doesn't have any useful lessons. It also illustrates the double standard of christians who oppose violent images on tv and video games thinking its fine for small children to read about jesus hacking peaple up, or of god killing all the first-born in egypt.
      • arbulus, on 10/10/2007, -1/+1so discussing an issue with differing viewpoints or dissenting against a majority is automatically considered "bashing" it?
        So we're not allowed to discuss the merit or lack thereof in any particular belief system because someone might get offended if anyone else disagrees with them?
        • Zyphron, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1Discussing the merit or lack therof would require actual points or counter points to be made. I am all for a reasonable logical discussion of the merit of any belief system or worldview, but I think that just dismissing a worldview without actually giving any facts or real points is somewhat bigoted.
    • jackdubious, on 10/10/2007, -20/+25True. But if someone can get me a Koran and some of these stickers, Ill commit my first hate crime :)
    • OneHine, on 10/10/2007, -13/+7If you're closed-minded and bigoted, you get a reputation for being closed-minded and bigoted. Threads like this on Digg are precisely what fosters this reputation.
      • Skitzzo, on 10/10/2007, -3/+8"If you're closed-minded and bigoted, you get a reputation for being closed-minded and bigoted."
        OneHine, I believe that's precisely what you're doing.
    • wycheck89yo, on 10/10/2007, -15/+71@ skitzzo Christians are the only group you can bash like this. I love this kind of stuff because Jesus was the first revolutionary man to really say equality is a good thing. Don't stone the street whore because you're no better yourself. Christians get bashed because they turn the other cheek. Muslims would burn an embassy if this were a Koran. Don't believe me? Remember those stupid cartoons of the profit Muhammad?
      • wycheck89yo, on 10/10/2007, -4/+12I'm already getting buried... guess not everybody remembers that story.
        • Mattintosh, on 10/10/2007, -1/+0Actually, that story, found at John 8:1-11, is just that. Unlike the rest of the Bible, it is actually fiction. It isn't in the oldest manuscripts (of the Greek/NT scriptures), and is considered by many Bible scholars to be apocryphal.

          Basically, Jesus never gave that illustration, or if he did, we have no reliable evidence to back it up. (And since I consider most of the Bible to be reliably historical, that should give you pause in quoting that story as something Jesus supposedly said.)
        • kinneas666, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2How long before Windows NT did Greek/NT come out? and will it also run on my P2 400 Mhz or is it for MAC????
        • arcthemonkey, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1Mattintosh, I'm pretty sure that the majority of people who concluded it wasn't part of the original text don't actually doubt its historical veracity. It's believed the event actually happened - it merely wasn't originally written in John.
      • Skitzzo, on 10/10/2007, -7/+11wycheck, your comment is actually part of the problem. The point isn't that Christianity is right or wrong (I for one believe it's right), the point is that not all Christians or Muslims or Jews or any other group of people are alike. Just because one Christian pissed off OneHine, doesn't mean we all agree with that person. If OneHine were a Jew, I wouldn't then blame all Jews for his being an ignorant bastard. By saying Muslims would burn an embassy, you're doing the same thing the person who posted this picture did.

        That's the point.
      • TheMidnight, on 10/10/2007, -4/+8I didn't know Mohammed was a capitalist who was after a "profit."
        • EugeneMcCanless, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2The problem is that now there are too many Muslims who would do something like that.
        • thirdman, on 10/10/2007, -0/+0Well, he was a prosperous merchant who ran caravans from an oasis called Bacca (now Mecca).
      • noamsml, on 10/10/2007, -1/+2"The profit Mohammed" I must admit it, that typo was almost insightful.
      • Ghengis, on 10/10/2007, -2/+2Um, I'm pretty sure Buddha came along before Jesus. You should read some of his teachings on equality and loving all things and harming nothing.
      • kumiko, on 10/10/2007, -2/+3christians dont get bashed for turn the cheek. christians get bashed for say they will turn the cheek but most times dont. maybe you do, but most i know do not live the way christianity say to live.

        but most christians i know very fast to pass judgement to all muslims because some muslims blow up bombs. that doesnt seem right to me is all.

        thank you
        • kinneas666, on 10/10/2007, -0/+0Ooo Ooo You Tarzan, You No Talk Good.
      • mwoodb1, on 10/10/2007, -0/+0you all have to be kidding i could sit here and list off a hundred horrible things the Christians did in the name of beliefs. at some point isn't it just going to become apparent that being fanatic about your religion just leads to trouble. Believe what you want, but understand that slander comes hand in hand with strong belief.
    • aefven, on 10/10/2007, -26/+84I can't get on Digg over the last few months without seeing this sorta stuff almost immediately. It is hate. I am personally not bothered by this picture, it's just one of those things. But i am truly troubled by the increase in this sort of story. I log in and i see clearly written insults about Christians or belief in creation. Digg is on the verge of being a Christian hate site and i would love to see this issue addressed. My faith is not knocked by this.... it does not change the truth of the reality of Christ. It does not doom the submitter to eternal damnation.... it just makes coming to Digg unpleasant for me. I wanna see this discussed on Digg-nation and hear the founders opinion on closed minded atheists using this site to be worse than the people they joke about.
      • cusoman, on 10/10/2007, -13/+30"I wanna see this discussed on Digg-nation and hear the founders opinion on closed minded atheists using this site to be worse than the people they joke about."

        I second this motion.
      • Skitzzo, on 10/10/2007, -8/+15Digg obviously does not care about the hate and venom spewed towards Christians. On several occasions I've reported posts or comments and none of them have been removed. However, when someone drops the N bomb or attacks someone's race or even other religions, action is usually pretty swift. I'd love for it to be discussed on Diggnation but I doubt it will ever been addressed, unfortunately.
      • Killerah, on 10/10/2007, -9/+14I totally agree with everything you said. It's pretty annoying that I can't even come to the front page of digg without being bombarded with attacks on my beliefs, and any time I present a relevant point in a debate regarding the topic it's always either dugg down, ignored, or people call me an idiot! It seems to me that when the majority of people think a certain way the person who yells the loudest on that side is automatically right. Maybe it's just me, but I don't think that's right at all.
        • KriLL3.2™, on 10/10/2007, -11/+4That means it's not a relevant point.
          Sorry but it all boils down to you not accepting reality, having that questioned should be a good thing.
        • Killerah, on 10/10/2007, -1/+5See! This is exactly the kind of biased BS I'm talking about! The guy doesn't listen to what I'm saying, assumes my points are irrelevant, tells me I'm living in unreality (thus calling me an idiot who can't reason for himself) and encourages me to look at things his way! Word it very cleverly (unlike this guy) and you'll get dugg up! Completely ridiculous.
      • Axeman2063, on 10/10/2007, -6/+7I am inclined to agree as well. Hearing/seeing legitmate posts to debates about the Christian faith is fine...I am secure in my beliefs and have no problem with others debating Christianity. Posts like this, that serve to do nothing but insult are odious and serve no real purpose and make no real contribution. And unfortunately they are far too common on digg nowadays. This is a news site. Keep irrelevant *****-disturbing links off, please.
      • luther70, on 10/10/2007, -9/+10Well put pro Christian stuff up on digg. There has got to be as many Christians as Ron Paul supporters so you shouldnt have a problem getting it to the frontpage.
        • ianfranklin1, on 10/10/2007, -1/+11Christians don't need to self congratulate by digging article, pics, et cetera. This is anti-theist hate mongering.
        • asiarock, on 10/10/2007, -1/+2If we put pro Christian stuff up on Digg, it would just get bashed as shoving religion down people's throats. Believe me, we can't win.
      • omikun, on 10/10/2007, -11/+6I agree that atheists shouldn't turn this into a hate site. But this isn't a hate topic, it is objective and unbiased. The sticker only says facts. Also, the hate is probably steam from the oppression of Christian America and all those Christians that damn nonblievers to hell. Hate goes both ways.
      • AKBryant54, on 10/10/2007, -11/+10As a former Christian now atheist I think I may be able to shed some light on the point of view of at least one atheist on digg.

        I shouldn't really say I was a Christian, basically for my first decade of life I went to a Christian daycare/church system every day after school, for me there just wasn't any other belief system out there. Truly there are no Christian children, only Christian parents.

        Basically once I realized that the world wasn't like what I had been told, and that the whole God complex was just the tendency of the human mind to appeal to an ultimate good, I felt like I had been lied to my entire life. It was a mixed bag of depression, anxiety, and joy. I was depressed because I found out the equivalent of Santa Clause not existing times 100, I was stressed out about how my parents would take the news that I was a non-believer, (my step-dad being raised as a Jehovah's witness), and I was happy because I felt a blindfold had been lifted and I could finally see the world for what it really was. However, by far the emotion that was strongest was the need to expose the lie, get the word out on the scam, help others "see the light", to use a Theistic cliche. Whenever I told one of my Christian friends or any Christian at all I was met with extreme resistance at every step of the way, which is understandable, people don't like being told what to think. Eventually I gave up on trying to change people's minds through discussion because most religious people are closed minded and very set in their ways.

        I became frustrated, not only because my family thinks I'm going to hell, but because most, if not all of the American culture I see daily on televisions, hear on radios, and read in newspapers and magazines tend to have a Christian leaning, and over the years I felt a barrage of Christian non-sense that made me dislike anything having to do with God.

        This is when I found a safe haven in digg, reddit, and indeed the internet as a whole. The place free of Christian belief systems being forced on me every day and a place that I we can poke fun at religion and talk with other like-minded individuals.

        There's the story, we don't mean to be hateful necessarily, don't take offense, and eventually if the trend continues you are probably going to have to learn to ignore it like I have learned to ignore Christianity in every other facet of modern life.
        • Benad, on 10/10/2007, -1/+5"This is when I found a safe haven in digg, reddit, and indeed the internet as a whole. The place free of Christian belief systems being forced on me every day and a place that I we can poke fun at religion and talk with other like-minded individuals. There's the story, we don't mean to be hateful necessarily, don't take offense, and eventually if the trend continues you are probably going to have to learn to ignore it like I have learned to ignore Christianity in every other facet of modern life."

          Replace "Christians" with "gays" or "Jews" or "blacks", and read yourself again. You are full of hate, and no matter how you want to spin it this is wrong.
          • AKBryant54, on 10/10/2007, -3/+5What I mean to say is that on the internet you choose where you go and what culture to be a part of, whereas everywhere else I have Christian beliefs fed to me daily as if it were the natural state of things. The fact is I don't hate Christians, I don't mind talking about Christianity, and I'd love to debate the existence of god etc. But if I can learn to ignore Christian culture in the mainstream any Christian should be able to ignore Atheist culture on digg.com.
          • AKBryant54, on 10/10/2007, -1/+3Also, your comparisons are a little off, homosexual and black people can't change whether they are homosexual or black. They're born that way, and just because they like the same sex or their skin is a different color says nothing about their personalities or their culture, I'm trying to make a crtique of Christian culture and closed mindedness, not an inquisition.
        • arbulus, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1Dugg you up.

          People really have no idea what it's like to NOT be Christian. You mentioned your step-dad being raised Jehovah's Witness, so you might understand:
          I was a Jehovah's Witness, and when I realized what atrocities those people commit every day, I wanted no more part of it. I hated who I had become and what I was advocating. So I left. But no one, unless you've been through it, can understand the hurt and pain and anguish that comes from 90% of your family turning their back on you and acting like you no longer exist. My family won't even speak to me or acknowledge my presence. I am not welcome around them. Let me repeat that: this is my family I'm talking about. People who are so blinded by their "faith" that they shun people that they claim to love. That's the part that hurts the most: they claim to follow an example of love and do everything that they do motivated by love of their fellow man, but they can't even show that love to the people closest to them. I've never done anything to wrong them. I've never been unkind to them. I've never said anything to them in malice. But because I no longer embrace their faith, I am worse than anyone on the planet.
        • Xondar, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1If you were a Jehova's Witness, you were not a Christian. Jehova's Witness is a cult, plain and simple.
          • arbulus, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1Well, they consider themselves christian. But yes, you're right: they are a cult.
      • enginbeering, on 10/10/2007, -12/+5I'm so sick of Christians acting like victims.

        Everywhere else in the US, it's the other way around. There's almost nowhere you can go and openly talk ***** about Christianity or religion in general and not get completely chastised for it.

        The fact that most diggers are atheist and don't think religion deserves any sort of respect is one of the main reasons I come here.
        • AKBryant54, on 10/10/2007, -5/+3Exactly, I think for clarity's sake I should make the intent of my comment clear, I don't hate Christians because of their belief system, I hate the way it is proliferated and endorsed everywhere in American culture, and it's that point that fuels a lot of the animosity Christians feel from Atheists. Even here, Benad paints me as a Hate monger and ignores the point I tried to make.

          My intent isn't to hurt or offend, it's to escape and to poke fun.
        • Killerah, on 10/10/2007, -1/+4"There's almost nowhere you can go and openly talk ***** about Christianity or religion in general and not get completely chastised for it."

          And why do you think that is? Could it be because people (yourself included) aren't really fond of having ***** talked about them usually? If it bothers you that much you could move to somewhere like Europe (or anywhere else where the country wasn't founded on Christian morals) where it's the other way around and you can talk ***** about us all day long and nobody will call you out on it. Actually, you could probably go to a bar or any other place which is typically devoid of Christians and talk ***** if you want, it's not as hard as you make it sound to find a place in the US where Christianity isn't mocked without chastisement. As to victims, most of us are victims in the sense that we're getting the disclaimer sticker slapped on what we believe because of a few morons who give us a bad name. How many Christians do you know who have committed murder and genocide? I have known many extreme Christians personally, and none of them deserve the tags murderous or genocidal. In fact, almost all the extreme Christians I know are anything but hateful bigots, they are some of the nicest people you'll ever meet who genuinely want to help other people.

          You guys can poke fun all you want, but the fact is that digg doesn't have any religious restrictions and many people who frequent it are Christians, so if you're looking to escape from us and from hearing what we think about things, maybe this isn't the best place to do that.
          • arbulus, on 10/10/2007, -2/+1Hitler was a Christian
          • Killerah, on 10/10/2007, -1/+2I would challenge that. What defines a Christian to you? It seems a good definition to me to say that a Christian is someone who is a follower of Christ and His teachings (which are found in the Bible) and is trusting in Jesus Christ for his or her salvation. Romans 8:9 says “You, however, are controlled not by the sinful nature but by the Spirit, if the Spirit of God lives in you. And if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he does not belong to Christ.”

            So according to the Bible, every Christian has the Spirit of God in them, and in Galatians 5:22 it says “But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness and self-control. Against such things there is no law.”

            So tell me, are the defining points of Hitler's existence characterized by these things which are described as the fruit of the Spirit? If not, I would question whether he was really a Christian. He can claim to be whatever he wants, but if his life doesn't back it up who will believe him? Only those who want to believe him for the purpose of giving Christianity a bad name. The same goes for everyone else who claims Christianity, do their lives display the fruit of the Spirit? A lot of times, unfortunately, the answer is no.

            Also, I'd like to point out that I was talking about people I've met personally, not people I've heard or read about.
        • rogue780, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3"Everywhere else in the US, it's the other way around."
          I suppose you've only lived in the Bible Belt? On the west coast where I grew up as well as here on the east coast people have constantly ridiculed me just for going to church on Sunday and saying that I'm a Christian. So where are these places that I can go and be on the other side of things?
        • kevma, on 10/10/2007, -1/+4The main reason you come here? Well I come here for the news.. and it's getting tiring seeing anti-religious stuff on digg. Sure, I respect those who have different world-views to me - but that doesn't mean I want to see hatred when I come for news.
      • altinnovation, on 10/10/2007, -1/+1I'm an atheist, but I agree. Everywhere I go I see good, bad, smart, or uneducated Christians. Just because 500,000 (which isn't a lot) christians aren't all that good doesn't mean they all aren't. Usually people are born christians and then they just leave it at that, so if they become bad at some point in life it may not have anything to do with the fact that they're christians. You don't usually see bad people going around investigating whether their religion is true or not.
      • sp1keNARF, on 10/10/2007, -2/+3You're as equally close minded about Atheism as they are about Christianity.
      • asiarock, on 10/10/2007, -3/+3I couldn't agree more. I'm getting sick and tired of Digg increasingly becoming a Christian hate site.
      • willr001, on 10/10/2007, -3/+1It isn't hate if it is true... nothing on that sticker spreads any lies about christianity or says they are bad ppl, unless playing GTA makes me a bad person because of the disclaimer on that... if you doubt any of the things on there aren't true, then you either haven't read the bible, or believe fundamentalists are reasonable, balanced individuals.
      • skylights, on 10/10/2007, -1/+2This is not even close to hate speech. It doesn't attack people, it attacks beliefs. And I will never, ever apologize for attacking someone's beliefs, as there is no belief that should be immune from criticism.

        I enjoy these types of posts, and I hope I see even more on Digg. I've had quite a few front page stories highlighting atheism, and I will continue to submit such stories. Obviously, Digg users want to see stories like these, otherwise they wouldn't digg them. Rather than delete stories like this, I wish Digg would delete the accounts of people who suggest such stories should be deleted. They're the ones who are trying to ruin Digg.
    • over9, on 10/10/2007, -15/+10I love how everyone defends Christianity, but when a Muslim story comes up everyone goes mental. Also what has Koran to do with anything. It's just a snide remark to distract from main issue of religion whether be it Christianity or Islam.
      • spell024, on 10/10/2007, -5/+0couldn't have said it better
      • MusicalGenius, on 10/10/2007, -0/+5WHAT ARE YOU SMOKING!? All digg has every day is anti Christian items... I would know, I'm Christian...so I tend to pay these attention when they concern me...which is oh... I don't know EVERY OTHER DAY!! THIS WHOLE ARTICLE is anti Christian and look how many dugg it.. The Comments are a different story...you tend to find two sides a lot and if one presents better than the other (the hate crime bit) then people side... This is how it usually is.... but I get more crap for being Christian and LDS and when people criticize a Muslim it's a hate crime and people rally against those Christians who obviously started it... People ignore facts for their own bias and this is nothing new...

        You are doing this yourself right now and you are a moron if you think that Christians are defended and Muslims aren't.

        It's a corny SOUNDING phrase but I have found it to be the most accurate...

        Why can't we all just get along..

        There is no point to being ignorant...only pride...which is only wasteful and self destructive and many times it destroys others.
      • TenaciousF, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1Gotta agree with musicalgenius. Im a Christian, and a pretty open-minded one at that, but this is a rediculous post. Someone used the term "evangelical athiest" in another pointlessly anti-Christian post and it is perfectly descriptive of this sort of thing. People that belive in nothing seem to try to insult the beliefs of others, which generally falls on Christians since we're the most established group in the US. Why don't you guys go piss on a Buddha statue...or better yet, don't do that. Just do your own thing an leave us alone.
    • Terr01, on 10/10/2007, -14/+12What the hell?

      If someone buys their own Bible/Koran and puts a sticker on it, it's not a hate crime. They may be being funny, they may just be jerks, they may be insensitive, but "Hate crime"?

      C'mon people, calm your kneecaps and rest your legs.
      • faithfreedom, on 10/10/2007, -1/+8Try it and your head will serve to yourself. Here's how to get immediate result : Go to Dearborn, MI, stop by Middle East restaurant, tearing the pages while having your lunch. Then, wipe your ass with the rest. You bought the Koran, so it's yours, right ? WRONG!!!
    • Daiken, on 10/10/2007, -13/+14Hate crime or not, it's still hate. Why can't you guys just let people follow their beliefs and live how they want?
      • mtrip, on 10/10/2007, -4/+2Ironic a chrilstian would say that. Don't knock on my door, stand on a corner shouting nonsense, hand me flyer in an airport, or put those little "Are you saved" pamphlets in library books I check out, and trying to get creationism taught in schools. Then you can talk about just leaving people alone.
        • meatloafsurpriz, on 10/10/2007, -2/+2Because a few do it, all of them are guilty? Please stop stereotyping.
        • Trublmakr, on 10/10/2007, -1/+1By that logic, America's fighting a war over stereotyping - please stop it.
      • enginbeering, on 10/10/2007, -3/+4I'd love to.

        Get back to me when Christianity doesn't influence MY life, and I'll grant you your point as valid.
      • replikhant, on 10/10/2007, -1/+2Christians were not very nice to other people during the inquisition. Christianity has a very dirty record of not letting people follow their beliefs and live how they wanted. Remember that book "the Scarlet Letter"?
      • Daiken, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2Ironic I'm not Christian but I have enough compassion to not bash people for their beliefs.
    • quaxon, on 10/10/2007, -15/+5when your religion is constantly spreading hate and lies and people of your religion are continuously hurting their children and others in the name of faith then expect this *****. muslims and every other religion get it too when they do something stupid (go look at any of the honor killing threads). if you dont think christianity and what it promotes is ***** up go take a look at this story
      this is a great sticker but it left off the warning about not taking the whole exorcism part seriously like this family did
      http://digg.com/offbeat_news/The_Latest_In_Christian_Craziness_Family_Performs_Exorcism_On_3_Year_Old
      • Killerah, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1I cannot believe you actually think that way! Did you have a bad experience with Christians in the past that you think so negatively of them? Christians "continuously hurt their children and others in the name of faith"? Umm... Yours is the first story I've read in a LONG time of anyone using faith as an excuse to hurt their children, that kind of stuff is usually used to portray psychos in movies and TV shows. Actually I'm not even sure what faith these people are of because as I said in response to your post on the actual story, exorcism in the Bible at it's harshest is someone speaking to a demon inside a person and the demon leaving that person! It never looked anything like this in the Bible, I for one wish that they would have taken "the exorcism part seriously". If they're going to claim a faith, they sure can't claim Christianity. What does Christianity mean to you? What does it promote? Are we talking about the same Christianity here?
      • Drew7, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2You are being too broad and blunt in your statements. If a person that proclaims himself/herself a Christian and does something stupid, is it proper to put all Christians in the same boat? Of course not. Stupidity is a common thing throughout all of humanity. These statements of yours put Christians all on the same level and paints this issue as white and black. I'm a Christian. I love Jesus. I will also be the first to admit that, there are a lot of really dumb people out there that say they are Christian. Also, I know there are many wonderful and intelligent Atheists out there. I don't think you are one of them.
        • replikhant, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1Most Christians are assholes, most Muslims are too, as are most atheists and mormons. The problems arrive when these systems of social arrangement and order fall into the hands of these idiots. Christians become inquisitors, muslims become terrorists, atheists become communists and mormons become sexual freaks. A smart person in any of the groups above must not forget that when any one in their ranks is promoting fear as a means of unity, then the movement has been contaminated and the original ideas have been manipulated.
      • arbulus, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1"Yours is the first story I've read in a LONG time of anyone using faith as an excuse to hurt their children"
        @killerah

        Oh really? How about these:
        http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/programmes/panorama/2119903.stm
        http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19796213/site/newsweek/
        • Killerah, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1I've never read those, but only the JW one uses faith as an excuse to hurt children, and the Bible they believe in is vastly different from the one Christians believe in.
    • kpxxbladexx415, on 10/10/2007, -5/+4However you look at it, it is, in essence, a hate crime against christians. If respecting one's view or belief is so hard for some of you atheist, as you always demand, then why don't you show it to others?
      • arbulus, on 10/10/2007, -2/+1why don't you take your own advice?
        • LifesTooBusy, on 10/10/2007, -1/+0I know you are, but what am I.... I know you are, but what am I.... come on people. Grow up!
    • GooksBirman, on 10/10/2007, -4/+4Putting these stickers on any Religious book is a hate crime. But still dugg
    • Nozzle, on 10/10/2007, -3/+3The picture is an ironic, and humorous, retort to fundamentalist christians attempting to force labeling of science books that deal with evolution, big bang cosmology, etc. as being "theory". If Muslims were attempting to do the same thing in America, I am sure you'd see the same label on the Koran.
    • da_bradler, on 10/10/2007, -1/+2well the Quran uses the bible as its primary source so you only have to diss one and you diss them all..
      • mrFREEZE, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2Kind of contradictory; the first line in the Qu'ran is "This book is not to be doubted".
      • kumiko, on 10/10/2007, -1/+2no it does not use the bible the koran full history is documented but the bible has history from many sources.

        islam do not think jesus is son of god but islam thinks jesus is a prophet.
        • LifesTooBusy, on 10/10/2007, -2/+0So you're going to believe in a "prophet" that says he's the son of God, but you won't believe he's the son of God. Really? Seems that the Postmodern World View has taken hold of yet another soul.
          • fluoro, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2She didn't say she believes it, she's just pointing out what the relationships are between the religions. da_bradler said the Quran uses the Bible as its primary source, and she pointed out that this is wrong. As far as I know, she is correct.
    • MetalSteven, on 10/10/2007, -1/+2perfect...I get here and your comment has 666 diggs.
    • artieart, on 10/10/2007, -1/+0I was going to digg the comment but it was at 666 diggs couldn't bring myself to mess with the order of the universe.
    • FunkyLlama, on 10/10/2007, -1/+1Wow... you've beaten all these comments:
      http://insidesocialnews.blogspot.com/2006/11/most-dugg-comments-in-digg-history.html
  • thepuma77, on 10/10/2007, -59/+44They should have the same diclaimer on HBO or the internet.
    • metallist, on 10/10/2007, -2/+12they have --- its called $12/month
    • cfulp, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2HBO has content descripters before all shows and movies. Internet on the other hand is very untamed.
    • JulioJuliopolis, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1The corporate news shows are a more fitting target.
  • kprooney, on 10/10/2007, -111/+57hey don't pick on the Christians so much! Just because they have an ignorant narrow minded pope and allow "The Creation Museum" to go up in the name of God, and argue that evolution is a joke......oh wait nevermind, carry on
    • DiggsOnlyNeoCon, on 10/10/2007, -14/+44Hey generalization boy.... your powers are needed on youtube forums.
      • Smoot, on 10/10/2007, -3/+2Lol, generalization boy. Sounds like Wayan's Handiboy.
    • crxvfr, on 10/10/2007, -11/+28Christians don't have a pope. Thats Roman Catholic, .......the same "christians" that were responsible for the Crusades. This is why they sometimes say "a LITTLE knowledge can be a dangerous thing".
      • themakasu, on 10/10/2007, -4/+7Catholics are Christians. The definition of a "Christian" is someone who follows the teachings of Christ, which Catholics do definitely fit in. It's a broad term in which Protestants have taken to apply it to themselves only, sadly.
      • GMorgan, on 10/10/2007, -3/+4Actually the Roman Catholic's sort of were the early Christians. Most other strands of Christianity sprung up in hindsight (for example, Protestant came 1400 years after Catholic). If any church has the right to be called Christian it is them.

        All a bit superstitious for my liking though.
    • withoutashovel, on 10/10/2007, -6/+26In other Digg Front Page News news, the Pope does not deny evolution, but in fact supports its theory.
      • disciple83, on 10/10/2007, -4/+5Evolution doesn't refute creationism, that God created the world in 7 days, the problem is where you place the reference to "day". For all we know, a day was millions of years, summed up in a day based on major points of evolution and cosmological change that were not understood, and still aren't. Notice how all of the billions of years of creation takes place in the first chapter or so in the Bible but when Adam comes along, time practically comes to a standstill? The emphasis of the Bible is the relationship between God and man, not where dinosaurs came from or how old the solar system is or whether there is life on other planets. Of course Catholicism isn't going to refute evolution, it has no real reason to.
        • kinneas666, on 10/10/2007, -1/+0and just as you open up the word "day" to our interpretation, i open up the word "God" to interpretation and say the author was speaking about the natural process and growth of the universe...
    • cfulp, on 10/10/2007, -1/+14I don't really hate Christians. You can believe whatever you want, it doesn't bother me. And, if someone knocks on my door and tries to convert me, it doesn't bother me to say I'm not interested. What does annoy me is how Christians forcibly change my life. Stem cells for instance. We have all this unused fetuses that are just being destroyed now because christians don't believe in abortions. Yet, not using these stem cells isn't stopping abortion.

      Moreover, all the crap about teaching creationism in school when we have evidence to the contrary is stupid. Not so much that I don't believe maybe god created us, but teaching kids that the world was created 6000 years ago when we know it wasn't, is stupid. How bout the book that explains that the grand canyon was created by the great flood? Despite the fact that the bible says that the flood only existed for 40 days (not enough to create the grand canyon).

      Like I said, I don't have them for their beliefs. My parents are Christian, and my roommates are Christian. And i have no problem getting along with them. But, at the same time I hate when they prevent mankind's evolution because of unproven theories. Sorry if I offended anyone, I wasn't trying too btw.
      • omikun, on 10/10/2007, -4/+2"unproven theories"? I'm sorry but I am offended. Your word-choice is the reason ignorant creationists put down evolution for being a "theory." They are conjectures, not theories. At least in the scientific sense. The conjecture "God created everything" has as much weight as "Spaghetti Meatball Monster created God"
      • Salesti, on 10/10/2007, -1/+3You do have a point about all these ideas being unproven. Can we go back 25 million, or even 6 thousand years and run some experiments to get these hypotheses out of the realm of the hypothetical? Of course not! That's why these debates will go on forever. There is no theory of creation, just as there is no theory of evolution. A theory is something you can test to back up your hypothesis. None of this is repeatable in a controlled setting. NONE of it. It would be all over the media in nothing flat if it were. Clearly, SOMETHING happened to cause our existence, but who saw it?
        • SolCheetah, on 10/10/2007, -1/+2Close, but not quite. It helps in scientific discussions to be careful to be exact in your phrases, least a straw man be built against you with your words. A hypothesis is a conjecture, linked with a way to test that conjecture. You don't have to be able to currently carry out this test (say you need more sensitive testing equipment than is currently made), but it does need to be possible to carry it out at some point. It needs to be falsifiable. A theory isn't something that you can test... it's what you get once you already have tested. A theory coherently explains what was under question, has falsifiable empirical evidence to support it, and has no evidence contrary to it.

          There is a theory of evolution. It has been tested many times, and each test has supported and refined our understanding of evolution, such as in the early Mendel vs Darwin models. Are there still tests to carry out? Of course... there are an infinite number of tests you can perform on any theory. The theory of evolution does not involve the question of where life came from. It only involves how it came to be what it currently is after it got here.

          I think what you are thinking of are hypothesis on abiogenesis. That is a very different subject than evolution.
  • lordtyros, on 10/10/2007, -88/+44That's why everyone hates atheists.
    • ByronT, on 10/10/2007, -17/+72Yeah, except for Jesus, but who cares about him these days?
      • HyperJack, on 10/10/2007, -8/+2Yes exactly. Wait? Who is he? Is he that guy from the old book? Damn. Can't remeber what that's called either.
        Forgive me guys. Bad memory.
      • robisfunky, on 10/10/2007, -6/+3 ByronT - Oooooh snap! FTW!
      • omikun, on 10/10/2007, -3/+2Save me Jebus!!
    • RedHerringHack, on 10/10/2007, -11/+22Your comment is