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BUSH was Wrong! It is Time for the American People to be Heard 202-456-1414

joebiden.com — Senator Biden reacts to President Bush commuting Scooter Libby's Sentence: "I call for all Americans to flood the White House with phone calls tomorrow expressing their outrage over this blatant disregard for the rule of law." Remind George Bush what he told staffers during a swearing in ceremony for White House staff back in January 2001

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  • bookmac, on 10/11/2007, -175/+19insane...
    • squeaker, on 10/11/2007, -11/+169Explain to me what is insane about holding elected officials accountable for their actions.

      They work for US.
      • asaturn, on 10/11/2007, -47/+13I typically side with democrats in most matters... but this is just goofy. EVERY president has pardoned his criminal buddies... just not until the end of their term in most cases...

        but anyway, Bush is a moron, and I don't agree with his pardon of Libby, but he hasn't broken any laws. the constitution gives him the right to pardon anyone except in the case of an impeachment.
        • Waiting2awake, on 10/11/2007, -6/+58 The trouble isn't this pardon. It is that Libby, took the bullet for Cheney. What this means is that entire Plame fiasco, the outing of a CIA agent - all went unpunished!!! A treasonous act, went unpunished because of politics! Regardless of your political slant that should worry and outrage every single American.
          • anonym41414, on 10/11/2007, -40/+18Your misunderstanding of the facts borders on tinfoilhatism.

            Libby didn't take any bullets for anybody. He was never indicted for anything related to the Plame affair. He was accused, and later convicted, of making false statements during the investigation. The investigation itself, now closed, concluded that no criminal acts took place apart from Libby's statements to investigators.

            Furthermore, we now know that it was Richard Armitage who leaked Plame's identity to the press, not Cheney or Rove or whomever the theory calls for this week. Also, the independent investigation determined that nobody involved did anything for which they could be charged with a crime.

            Finally, I don't think you know what the word "treasonous" means. It's not just another word for "I don't like it."

            Oh, one more thing. Bush didn't pardon Libby. When you pardon somebody, you wipe the slate clean. Bush commuted Libby's prison sentence, which means his conviction still stands and he still has to pay a quarter-million-dollar fine.

            Does that make it okay? No, it was a really stupid thing for Bush to do. But before you climb on the internet and call for outrage, you should at least have the first clue what you're talking about.
          • kurttrail, on 10/11/2007, -3/+17"The investigation itself, now closed, concluded that no criminal acts took place."

            @anonym41414

            Really? I thought the investigation just concluded that there wasn't enough evidence to pursue prosecution against those that outed Plame, and that is not the same as concluding "that no criminal acts took place."

            Your misrepresentation of the facts borders on fraud. Typical action of a NeoConvict apologist.
      • MattS, on 10/11/2007, -1/+2What is insane is the Biden's use of this event. Rather than do something with the power he has as a Senator TODAY he tries to parley this into votes for TOMORROW. Its a shell game people. Please don't fall for it.
    • EarlOfLade, on 10/11/2007, -6/+19I agree, the White House is insane.

      Time to use the 2nd amendment or is it just a bad excuse to own some shiny guns?
      • evenson, on 10/11/2007, -3/+11What's insane is Joe Biden. Weren't the people not heard during the 2006 congressional election? It's not time for the people to be heard. It's time for the congress get off it's collective ass and to do what we elected them to do. Do your duty Congress. Impeach this President.
      • feoren, on 10/11/2007, -1/+5It is ALWAYS time for the people to be heard, any time there is injustice.
        • adamdigg, on 10/11/2007, -0/+11) The first amendment is free speech, the second is bearing arms.
          2) I just phoned. The department that takes comments from the public is closed until July 5th.
    • sjl127, on 10/11/2007, -16/+7Dear Senator,

      This statement's immature coming from a person with the power you hold:

      http://www.joebiden.com/newscenter/page?id=0030

      Fact: The constitution gives the President this power. Mr. Bush did nothing wrong.

      Fact: Here's Mr. Clinton's pardon history:
      http://www.usdoj.gov/pardon/clintonpardon_grants.htm

      Fact: Here's Mr. Clinton's explanation:
      http://www.nytimes.com/2001/02/18/opinion/18CLIN.html?pagewanted=all&ei=5070&en=66ba82eaf117b24b&ex=1183521600

      Fact: The prison sentence was undoubtedly harsh considering his crime. Compare that to Sandy Berger. Go ahead... Compare it.

      Lay off of the partisanship, and get to work.
      • sjl127, on 10/11/2007, -9/+4Digging me down for the truth and facts? Liberalism is a mental disorder.
        • borninda818, on 10/11/2007, -4/+3stfu
          • CourtesyFlush, on 10/11/2007, -6/+2I see liberals hold the first amendment true.....until the facts don't match their righteous agenda.
        • bigtizzle, on 10/11/2007, -2/+3"Liberalism is a mental disorder."

          So is being a fan of Michael Savage.
        • JustFender, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1..liberalism is politics...
      • stepnw1f, on 10/11/2007, -2/+2Irony, truly comes natural for you.
    • Tsen, on 10/11/2007, -2/+1@sjl127:
      Who gives a damn if Clinton did it? I didn't support Clinton then, and I don't support Bush now. It isn't about partisanship--it's about justice.
  • Bdog2g2, on 10/11/2007, -197/+56Democrat: "Hello my name is kettle"
    Republican: "My name is pot"
    ...
    • crweaks23, on 10/11/2007, -8/+20Unoriginal, pointless, completely devoid of any value... great post!
    • jspegele, on 10/11/2007, -5/+13I think what he Bdog was so vaguely hinting at, were Bill Clintons 140+ pardons and commutations in his final year in office. I'm absolutely disgusted with the Libby commutation, but we can't forget that every President pardons and commutes people.

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Clinton_pardons_controversy
      • Y2JCrisis, on 10/11/2007, -1/+8That said, Ronald Regan pardoned more people than Clinton did, and George H.W. Bush pardoned several people involved in Iran-Contra.

        I dunno though, I think pardoning family friends is a whole different thing than pardoning Federal Government officials who have abused the power of their office. If you cannot hold government officials responsible for their actions, the people no longer have power over their own employees and representatives. That's pretty dangerous if you ask me.
        • 0xbaadf00d, on 10/11/2007, -5/+5So you think it's better to pardon someone because they are a family friend?? How about people who buy pardons? ahem Marc Rich...
        • longhornpapa, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1OUCH!
        • stepnw1f, on 10/11/2007, -1/+2LOL.... didn't you know? Pardoning traitors to America is A-OK when they are Republicans. Oh, guess who represented Marc Rich?

          SCOOTER LIBBY!
      • Bdog2g2, on 10/11/2007, -5/+1@jspegele

        I'm glad you goto it.
        BTW I used to have your digg icon for my account as well. I believe its appropriate.
        • stepnw1f, on 10/11/2007, -1/+2Why don't you give em' a blow job.... just watch out for the GOP. Apparently they have problems with sex but not treason.
          • Bdog2g2, on 10/11/2007, -1/+1I think somebody's mommy forgot to make them take their ritalin.

            So when does school get back in, at least I know you'll be busy doing homework rather than playing on digg.
    • HalfBurntToast, on 10/11/2007, -8/+2@Bdog2g2
      Umm....what?
      • Bdog2g2, on 10/11/2007, -5/+2Well I guess you are Half Burnt.

        Its borrowed from "The pot calling the kettle black".

        Meaning, the Republicans make a big stench outta the Clinton pardons and his perjury charges, yet when the ball's in their court it. They come back with a "Well if Clinton did it" argument.
    • 0xbaadf00d, on 10/11/2007, -3/+8"On Jan. 20, 2001, I granted 140 pardons and issued 36 commutations. During my presidency, I issued a total of approximately 450 pardons and commutations, compared to 406 issued by President Reagan during his two terms. During his four years, President Carter issued 566 pardons and commutations, while in the same length of time President Bush granted 77. President Ford issued 409 during the slightly more than two years he was president." -- William Jefferson Clinton
    • Chakat, on 10/11/2007, -3/+1I called both actions scummy. You man enough to do the same?
    • gernblansted, on 10/11/2007, -1/+6Who did Clinton pardon who was committing felonies to protect him personally?
    • AntiScurvyLg, on 10/11/2007, -4/+4Racist.
    • JustFender, on 10/11/2007, -0/+0lets smoke the republican!
  • TimeWrecker, on 10/11/2007, -64/+33this has got to get to the front page
  • zaibatsu, on 10/11/2007, -38/+23Scooter skates
    President Bush commuted the prison term of Lewis "Scooter" Libby, former chief of staff to Vice President Dick Cheney. Libby was sentenced to 30 months after his March conviction on federal charges of perjury, obstruction of justice and lying to investigators.
    • primeguy, on 10/11/2007, -13/+6Thanks for the update.
    • LastVisibleDog, on 10/11/2007, -19/+6Being fined a quarter of a million dollars is not exactly "skating"
      • Navicerts, on 10/11/2007, -1/+21Yea, im sure that 1/4 million really made Libby regretful of his actions. /sarcasm
        • ubuwalker31, on 10/11/2007, -0/+6I tried to call, yelled at the operator, got transfered to the "comments" department, and the phone rang for 5 minutes, so I gave up. Looks like we overwhelmed them.
          • actorboy, on 10/11/2007, -1/+1Ah, yes, the "comments" department. The equivalent of a second story exit with no stairs outside. Try *not* yelling at the operator next time.
      • stepnw1f, on 10/11/2007, -1/+1Considering he helped cover up treason, yes it is skating. You really think his buddies are gonna make him pay that fine all alone. LOL.... you right wing pieces of filth really do think people here are that stupid. How's Ollie North doing these days after helping your Republican scumbags commit treason during Iran/Contra?
        • homagenz, on 10/11/2007, -1/+1Nice to see we're keeping this nonpartisan.
  • b1tchkitty, on 10/11/2007, -47/+483Come on people I don't care if you're republican or democrat. Have you guys seen the damage Bush has done to us here and abroad...
    • floatingpoints, on 10/11/2007, -12/+78But you're forgetting! Anyone who opposes Bush is a Liberal! Even other Republicans!

      And Liberals are baaaaaaaad news!
      • obrysii, on 10/11/2007, -4/+54You mean, everyone who opposes Bush supports terrorism, right? "If you aren't with us, then you're against us"
        • TheOther1, on 10/11/2007, -18/+7damn new comment system. Digg me down.
        • howitzeral, on 10/11/2007, -1/+18"Only the Sith talk in absolutes"
          hmmm...
          • qcfb, on 10/11/2007, -0/+9"Only the Sith talk in absolutes."

            Wait, isn't that statement an absolute? Obi Wan are you trying to tell me something?
        • MrLazySmurf, on 10/11/2007, -3/+5No i think its, "If you aren't with us, then your my enemy"
        • NerdyNinja, on 10/11/2007, -1/+7They're both valid quotes.

          I'm of the mind that this one is relevant as well: "He's more machine now rather than man... twisted and evil."
          • Bdog2g2, on 10/11/2007, -1/+6I thought we were talking about Bush, not Cheney.

            Bush is more like a Sith Gungan. Darth Jar Jar
      • Ndiggnation, on 10/11/2007, -1/+16And you've got to love how everytime some new scandal comes to light, they always scream about how, "Well, Clinton did it too!!". So what?! Most of what he did wasn't half as bad as this administration. Even then, I don't think any President should be pardoning convicted criminals.

        But that's seemingly thier best defense, to stamp their feet like a 4 year old and exclaim, "Well he did it first!!".
        • NerdyNinja, on 10/11/2007, -1/+7Besides, whoever "they" are, they're strengthening the argument for impeachment. :P
          • stepnw1f, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1Great point.... and the GOP along with Bush just alienated themselves.
      • AndrewDB, on 01/10/2008, -0/+3Not all Liberals are bad. I agree with most everything that the Liberalistic message says (I'm a strict Constitutionalist), and I personally hate Bush and his Cronies.
      • stepnw1f, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1Yeah.... which means the right wing is a puny minority. How'd that happen?

        Hey, I guess America is united afterall!!!!!
    • mikelieman, on 10/11/2007, -8/+66Call and simply remind them: "Even Paris Hilton had the guts to serve her time".

      • sacherjj, on 10/11/2007, -3/+22I wouldn't describe it as guts, she had no choice and tried as hard as she could to get out of it. Fortunately, the person who tried to "pardon" her actually had someone higher up the chain to answer to. For the President, that is us. Except by answering, we get labeled as Terrorists and sent to Gitmo.
        • EagleRock, on 10/11/2007, -0/+2Paris Hilton sure didn't have the guts to serve her time. In fact, she cried like a little baby when she was taken back to jail. However, she had to do it, because she's not above the law. Let's let Bush know that he's not above the law either. Whether he's "the decider" or not, that dude is getting pwn3d.
      • Botanicus, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1After trying to get out of it and geting !#$^!slapped back into the cell.
    • arenz003, on 10/11/2007, -9/+9Many conservatives are critical of Bush for his intervention overseas. Many conservatives also readily place their ideology above party affiliations. I do not believe Bush has done that poorly domestically, but foreign intervention has been a waste. This waste could have been used on say... AMERICAN EDUCATION!?!?!?!?
      • dondara, on 10/11/2007, -1/+21I'm sure the last thing this administration wants is smarter citizens
        • qcfb, on 10/11/2007, -0/+3But he was supposed to be "the education president."
          • stepnw1f, on 10/11/2007, -0/+2Well... he did seem terribly concerned with the education of a bunch of Booker School students in Florida during the 9-11 attack. Hell, he even read "My Pet Goat". Now that's real sacrifice.... /sarcasm
        • cyke1, on 10/11/2007, -1/+0the congress and teachers keep our kids form learning anything, if they really cared for the kids they would abolish public schools and let us all have vouchers to choose where we want our kids to go to school.
          • stepnw1f, on 10/11/2007, -0/+2Yeah... we all should just reliogously brainwa-I mean, homeschool our children like right wing fundies do. Yeah, that's the ticket....

            "Taliban, you've seen nuttin' yet...."
    • andshewas, on 10/11/2007, -0/+20The Democrat vs. Republican war is getting tired. We are firstly Americans, and we shouldn't let any kind of corrupt politics go on, regardless of what "side" we claim adherence to. The whole party argument is really irrelevant in situations that could lead to a presidential impeachment. Americans need to wake up and realize that fighting the party war against each other is just letting big government get away with murder.
    • akhomerun, on 10/11/2007, -11/+5Recent Presidential Pardons:
      Clinton - 450 (176 on last day)
      Reagan - 406
      Carter - 566
      Bush I - 77
      Ford - 409

      Source: Department of Justice Web Site
      • vtrain, on 10/11/2007, -2/+18The problem is not the Presidential Pardons ... but this pardon in particularly. This is clearly to protect himself... or his vice-president. Is unethical and non-democratic.
      • stepnw1f, on 10/11/2007, -1/+2But did any other President Pardon use pardon to skate past justice? Exactly..... I know where you got your talking points from. Incredibly transparent.

        Why did Bush jr. pardon these criminals?:


        Gene Armand Bridger, Elkhart, Ind., conspiracy to commit mail fraud, mail fraud, sentenced May 29, 1963, to five years probation.

        Cathryn Iline Clasen-Gage, Rockwall, Texas, misprision of a felony, sentenced Aug. 21, 1992, to 18 months in prison and a year of supervised release.

        Thomas Kimble Collinsworth, Buckner, Ark., receipt of a stolen motor vehicle that had been transported in interstate commerce, sentenced Aug. 22, 1989, to three years probation and a $5,000 fine.

        Morris F. Cranmer Jr., Little Rock, Ark., making materially false statements to a federally insured institution, sentenced March 30, 1988 to nine months in jail.

        Rusty Lawrence Elliott, Mount Pleasant, Tenn., making counterfeit money, sentenced April 26, 1991, to a year and a day in prison, two years supervised release and a $500 fine.

        Adam Wade Graham, Salt Lake City, Utah, conspiracy to deliver 10 or more grams of LSD, sentenced Nov. 23, 1992 to 30 months in prison and five years of supervised release, including 250 hours of community service.

        Rufus Edward Harris, Canon, Ga., possession of tax-unpaid whiskey, sentenced June 17, 1963, to two years in prison, possession and sale of tax-unpaid whiskey. He also was on May 28, 1970 to five years in prison, later reduced to two years probation.

        Larry Paul Lenius, Moorhead, Minn., conspiracy to distribute cocaine, sentenced Sept. 29, 1989, to 36 months probation and payment of $2,500 in restitution.

        Larry Lee Lopez, Bokeelia, Fla., conspiracy to import marijuana, sentenced July 19, 1985 to three years probation.

        Bobbie Archie Maxwell, Lansing, Mich., mailing a threatening letter, sentenced Sept. 6, 1962, to 12 months probation.

        Denise Bitters Mendelkow, Salt Lake City, Utah, embezzlement by a bank employee, sentenced May 21, 1981, to two years probation.

        Michael John Pozorski, Schofield, Wis., unlawful possession of an unregistered firearm, sentenced Sept. 14, 1988, to four years probation and payment of a $750 fine.

        Mark Lewis Weber, Sherwood, Ark., selling Quaalude tablets, selling, using and possessing marijuana, sentenced Aug. 20, 1981, following Air Force court-martial to 30 months confinement at hard labor, forfeiture of 30 months pay at $334 a month and a dishonorable discharge.

        No he commutes a sentence when in fact he is obstructing justice to cover his own ass in who leaked Valerie Plames name to the media. And yes, we all know Bush knew all about it.... especially Dick Cheney.

        Listing stats on prior pardons has nothing to do with this commutation.
    • jbiber, on 10/11/2007, -0/+7He's right, recent trips to Europe have shown the now natural disgust for us Americans and how we can just sit idle letting the government flush us away. Even the ... *cough* french *cough* are beginning to speak poorly of us. :(
      • Salmar, on 10/11/2007, -0/+5I tell people I'm from Canada.
      • Botanicus, on 10/11/2007, -1/+2Europe has spoken poorly of the States for a long time. Even 10 years ago I know the major current in france was anti-states with our beloved *gag* Clinton.
    • catmistake, on 10/11/2007, -5/+3First of all... off topic. But this is Digg... sentence commuted. :P
      I'm not a Republican, but I see the difference between the MAN, the ADMINISTRATION, and the OFFICE. I honestly don't have a problem with the man. I don't think he's a bad guy, just a little weak. The Administration (and to a large extent, the Republican Party), however, is where you should be focusing your angst and grievences.

      This freak out against the Libby commution is silly. If Bush had granted a full pardon, I'd be a little suspicious, but this commuting of Libby's sentence is the first thing out of the White House in 7 years that makes sense to me. Libby's crime, leaking the operative's name, was irresponsible, yes, but the heart of the crime was the petty way Cheney runs his office. He was pissed at Plame's husband for speaking out against the administration, and in a petty and unprofessional way, the VP retaliated... by breaking the law and revealing that Plame was a CIA operative.

      The original sentence didn't sound that bad to me, but for someone who has given their life to public service, a little leniency might have been prudent. If there were more indigntments, more sentences, more people paying for this (ahem, Cheney), then I'd say wtf... but Libby is to suffer for crap that he was instructed to do? The DC two-step?

      Libby isn't getting off light. He'll likely never be able to hold a job again, probably lose his bar membership, never be able to vote, have a little trouble getting a handgun, etc. The commutation isn't a pardon. The only thing removed from the sentence was jail time, and this is removed, we assume, to reduce the punishment to Libby's family, who all can agree are innocent.

      All I'm saying is Bush commuted Libby's sentence, and big deal. Sounded reasonable to me. Let it the ***** go, and lets get on with dealing with Cheney, and not spend a month arguing about what a jerk Bush is.
      • AttacheCrime, on 10/11/2007, -0/+2You're missing the point that all of these guys are criminals and will do whatever they like.
    • neocognitism, on 10/11/2007, -2/+0which broad has Bush done damage to?
    • rslc, on 10/11/2007, -0/+2Bush is dangerous to Mankind.
      As he is responsible for worsening Global Climate Crisis, by:
      -refusing to sign Kyoto pact
      -ignoring and manipulating scientific information on global warming
      -promoting biofuel that indirectly causes rampant deforestation in countries like Indonesia.
      -etc etc

      He is worlds biggest criminal now.
  • sockpuppets, on 10/11/2007, -34/+22If I call collect from a government phone will I create a disruption in the space/time continuum?
  • RoundysSince, on 10/11/2007, -32/+154The last president to cause this much outrage was Nixon and he was pardoned by President Ford. Nothing is going to happen if you call the white house or god or whoever.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_people_pardoned_by_a_United_States_president
    • Waiting2awake, on 10/11/2007, -26/+108 Cool, not a problem(Heck, I'm Canadian, kill your country if you want), but please for all that is good and holy stop saying you are free. You are not free, you are slaves to the powers that be. They will use and abuse you, and you have no legal protection.

      America is not great, it isn't even good anymore.
      • jp3550, on 10/11/2007, -20/+17I'm glad you're so proud to be Canadian. Unfortunately, no one is free.. Regardless of where you live.
        • Waiting2awake, on 10/11/2007, -3/+19Nonesense. When the government has to worry about the population there is freedom. The governments only power, truly, is the willingness of the governed, to be governed. They exist because of the citizenry, and at any time the citizenry can decide not to be governed.

          At one point in time - which now seems lifetimes ago - the average person in the west understood that. Unfortunately thanks to the terror-state many have forgotten that simple truth.

          Here recently the Natives closed the major highway and rail lines to protest their treatment. The government is listening. Why?
          • ubuwalker31, on 10/11/2007, -16/+4Hey Waiting, you are completely and utterly wrong. Americans are "free" in the liberal democratic sense of the word: we vote for governments, and we have basic fundamental rights. It is just that we interpret our freedoms slightly differently than you do. For example, if you slander someone in Canada, the person who wrote the words has to prove its true...here, in the USA, the person who was slandered has to show that the words were false.

            Americans have plenty of protections under law from the powers that be. Its just that you, as a Canadian, don't understand how our government and system of law really works, because you get all of your news from the CBC and Digg.

            Sure, we have petty injustices...and some fairly large injustices too...but so does Canada (Stop 101 ring a bell?), as does every other liberal democracy. That doesn't mean we aren't free.

            If you want an example of a country that isn't free, check out Afghanistan, China, Iraq, Iran, UAE, Pakistan, Cuba, Venezuela, etc.
      • Toshibi, on 10/11/2007, -11/+10Everyone is as free as they allow themselves to be. If you choose to be oppressed it's your own fault.
        • qcfb, on 10/11/2007, -1/+10Blame the victim sweet. It is the Tibetans fault that they are oppressed, not the Chinese governments. The Jewish Pogroms in the 19th century through out Russia wouldn't have happened if not for the Jews being so damned determined to be oppressed.
          • Waiting2awake, on 10/11/2007, -1/+2 They could have fought. They probably would have died - but they had the chioce. If you are unwilling to fight for your freedom, then you patently don't deserve it.

            I have sympathy for all those people, but it simply doesn't change the laws of nature. Only those willing to die for freedom, ever get close to it.
        • MaximumPig, on 10/11/2007, -0/+5Yes, the Sudanese refugees are just suffering from a failure to exercise their option not to be gang-raped and mutilated at gunpoint.
          • stepnw1f, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1Damn... I had no idea all those folks dying in Darfur were to blame. Shame on them..... it's not a genocide, it's suicide!!!!!!!! /sarcasm.
      • RoundysSince, on 10/11/2007, -16/+5It's too bad your country can not defend itself without the help from your big bro America.
        Please go read a book.
        • shawnz, on 10/11/2007, -0/+8........the book that says we've never started any wars with any other country, or ever had an attempted invasion by another country except the USA?
      • brianjlowry, on 10/11/2007, -13/+13"You are not free, you are slaves to the powers that be"

        I'm disappointed that this guy was dug up. Give me a break. Life isn't THAT bad in the States, what's wrong with you people? I'm free enough to have the ability to worship whatever I want as my lord and then walk 2000 miles to the other side of the country, without fear of anything happening from "the powers that be".

        And America IS great.
        • MISDIREK7ED, on 10/11/2007, -2/+28Correction: America CAN be great. And it will be, once our people stop being such huge festering pussies.
        • HillerMylife, on 07/24/2008, -3/+6Technically, everyone is a willing slave to their government. But I don't think anarchism makes much sense either, so meh.
        • Waiting2awake, on 10/11/2007, -2/+12 Life is no longer that good in the States either is it? Your phones are tapped, your leaders are criminals. America has been caught lying to start a war, used illegal weapons and is now arming the very same people they went there to hunt.

          In light of all of that, filtered through the CIA outing, the still no answer on the Anthrax scare, illegal torture centres and secret jails - how can you say that America is great?

          That is how you crazy people got yourself into this mess. You by into slogans without thinking about what they mean to you. Patriotism is good. I have always admired that about America - but patriotism that blinds you to the truth that your country has been taken over by domestic enemies of the constitution and the majority were too busy cheering U.S.A U.S.A U.S.A to even bother noticing.
          • Sfenton, on 10/11/2007, -10/+2Oh.... I forgot all the injustices in the world are because of the USA. Im betting that all the people that are talking trash about the USA have probably never been here and have only seen the USA through some movies. I have been to Europe, Australia, and South America and yes America is the greatest place in the world. People are very jealous of our lifestyle and culture, when asking people what their perception of American people were they all said that we are rich. We are a 13 trillion dollar economy no other country comes close. To all the Americans that are talking trash about your own country go visit the outskirts of Rome, go visity Xalapa Mexico, and visit Canada one of the most BORING places in the world. How the hell is Canada talking ***** about the USA, what foreigner grows up wishing " I wish I could move to Canada and become famous" Nobody does.
          • derscoundrel, on 10/11/2007, -0/+0A-*****-MEN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
        • shawnz, on 10/11/2007, -1/+2"I'm free enough to have the ability to worship whatever I want as my lord"

          exactly. you're just not free to worship none. ever heard of NDOP?

          "and then walk 2000 miles to the other side of the country"

          yeah, just not cross the border.
      • tehpwnrate, on 10/11/2007, -7/+2I am free you stupid dolt. I can go join a protest. I can send a letter, call, or whatever saying anything I want to my representatives in government. I can vote, just like any citizen, and can sue the government if that right is denied for non-legal reasons. I can purchase firearms, I can defend my home, I can drive to work, then decide that I don't like my job, quit, and start up my own business. Not free? Give me a break--this coming from the guy who pays ridiculous amounts of his income (thus limiting his financial freedom) to socialist policies. America is one of the freest places in the world, and you're just buying all the stupid propaganda that floats around all the time.
        • shawnz, on 10/11/2007, -1/+5"I can send a letter, call, or whatever saying anything I want to my representatives in government."

          to anyone, in fact -- considering its all being wiretapped by the government anyway.
    • dontspamjay, on 10/11/2007, -17/+8http://www.usdoj.gov/pardon/clintonpardon_grants.htm
      • blaze4metal, on 10/11/2007, -11/+12Clinton didn't commit horrible crimes, have minions roll over on him, then pardon them a few months later.
        • dontspamjay, on 10/11/2007, -19/+9I love people saying that crimes were committed. If an actual crime had been committed it would be all over MSNBC and the NY Times. They would LOVE to get some proof of a crime. It's just like the 911 conspiracy theories, there is a reason that people with an ounce of credibility don't touch this stuff... because there is nothing to back it up.
        • TheSavant, on 10/11/2007, -2/+12I'm pretty sure there was a crime.
    • primeguy, on 10/11/2007, -20/+6I forgot Clinton didn't cause this much outrage. . .
      • RoundysSince, on 10/11/2007, -1/+9American people were not outraged by a blowjob in the office, it was just a material for Leno to use.
    • LastVisibleDog, on 10/11/2007, -25/+12Yeah, Clinton only pardoned drug dealers and hardcore criminals. Get a clue diggites - read some history - read the constitution. This is how our government works by design - don't be so naive.
      • ruley, on 10/11/2007, -5/+28just because Clinton did something does not make it ok! And thats where the problem lies; if we let bush get away with this stuff then later presidents will go but-but-but-Bush got to invade another country for no reason.
      • stepnw1f, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1buh, buh, buh.... clinton. Stop making up excuses.... low-life
    • christopheles, on 10/11/2007, -2/+12Ford pardoned Nixon for lesser crimes than G. Dub has committed.

      (Wishes he could call God.)
    • nullmind, on 10/11/2007, -3/+25It's people like YOU that won't do anything because they don't think it can be done or will affect anything that are the real reason our political and judicial system aren't being worked the way they where designed. If everyone actually did something this wouldn't be an issue, but instead people have been indoctrinated to think that nothing can happen so we should all just shush up and obey.
      • RoundysSince, on 10/11/2007, -14/+1Where were you when Bush pardoned other criminals? Oh, that's right, you didn't hear about it and it wasn't on Digg so you did nothing about it.
        This is simply finding every little excuse to attack one the most hated president in history. This action makes no difference to the the American way of life since this has been going for 100 years, but not in your eyes because it's Bush. Go read a book.
        • stepnw1f, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1You right wingers need therapy.... you'll say anything to distract.
      • christopheles, on 10/11/2007, -0/+6Thank you Mr. Nullmind.

        It's so ***** easy to do SOMETHING with the internet and cell phones and text messages and all this instant communication we enjoy. Laziness and apathy are inexcusable artifacts of the Boomer generation's disillusionment.
      • stepnw1f, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1You are right..... most folks think all they have to do is pay taxes.
    • blorc, on 10/11/2007, -18/+4I posted this in another thread last night and got Dugg down. I see the link has been posted above as well, but I'll re-post anyway:

      I'm not particularly fond of Bush, but:

      http://www.usdoj.gov/pardon/clintonpardon_grants.htm

      Obviously, pointing fingers and saying "Look! Clinton did it too!" doesn't necessary make Bush's decision right; however, it's quite silly to act as if it's some blatant display of criminal behavior if you're not going to call others on it, too. Just a few things from the above link that Clinton pardoned people for:

      Bank embezzlement
      Conspiracy to defraud the United States Conspiracy to defraud the United States by obtaining payment of false claims, presenting false claims to the United States, forging a writing, and aiding and abetting
      Obstruction of justice
      Receiving and selling stolen motor vehicles and aiding and abetting the same
      Assault with dangerous weapon
      Importation of cocaine
      Bribery of a public official
      Making a mutiny during wartime
      Wire fraud, mail fraud, racketeering, racketeering conspiracy, criminal forfeiture, income tax evasion, and trading with Iran in violation of trade embargo

      The list goes on. Clinton = 450 pardons and commutations
      Reagan = 406
      Carter = 566
      Bush Sr. = 77

      This isn't anything new, folks. It's just high profile.
    • Arcesius, on 10/11/2007, -1/+4well that's odd... Gerald Ford pardoned Robert E. Lee... who knew?...
      • HillerMylife, on 07/24/2008, -0/+10Kind of like Pope JPII saying "Hey, Galileo was right."
    • johneber, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1Perhaps we should send him cases of nuts.
  • cindylauper, on 10/11/2007, -22/+16Dialing...
  • hgb5150, on 10/11/2007, -85/+110Where was Biden's outrage when Sandy Berger escaped punishment for stuffing classified documents in his pants and destroying them?

    Yawn...
    • jheathupton, on 10/11/2007, -26/+23Come on man, that's totally different! People want to do everything they can to make Bush out to be Dr. Evil and the Berger case just wouldn't help that cause. This case is ridiculous anyway.... Abigale outed Plame, Libby couldn't remember every conversation he had had for the previous few months and therefore got charged with perjury and it turned out to be irrelevant anyway! There's an obvious double standard here (Clinton admitted to perjury!) and I know I'll be dug down for these statements but whatever happened to the truth? All we have now is the media and a bunch of drones willing to accept whatever is spewed from their disgusting mouths....Check it out on wikipedia
    • goatrandy, on 10/11/2007, -11/+40Didn't your Mama ever tell you that Two wrongs don't make a right, dumbass? :)
      • jheathupton, on 10/11/2007, -9/+0For some reason I expected some sense, but no...... none with you guys!!!! I'm not saying that lying is okay, doesn't matter who does it. What I AM saying is that the facts don't line up with the verdict. People who haven't read up on the case can be expected to be confused....
      • sheared, on 10/11/2007, -8/+0True, but hypocrisy seems to run supreme in the democratic (and digg) ranks!
      • Tsen, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1Yay for ad hominems! Rather than admit that it was wrong the first time and is still wrong now, you call democrats hypocrites and refuse to step up and say that Bush was in the wrong!
    • ELCad, on 10/11/2007, -3/+18Why don't you ask Gonzo about Berger? He's the head of the Justice Department.
    • TheCaptainJS, on 10/11/2007, -4/+8Where was the outrage? We didnt have a dictator for a president then did we?
    • inthe80s, on 10/11/2007, -4/+28There's no outrage, because he didn't get away with it. Stop listening to right-wing radio and you might have known he plead guilty and was sentenced.
    • Zoophagous, on 10/11/2007, -1/+20Sandy Berger wasn't pardoned.
      • Pfhreak, on 10/11/2007, -0/+10Sandy Berger is the biggest red herring ever created by the Bush apologists.

        First, the incident in question occured in October 2003, long after Clinton's administration had ended, which means he was neither a member of Clinton's administration at the time, nor did Clinton pardon him, because CLINTON COULD NOT PARDON SANDY BERGER. Further, Berger was indicted, plead guilty to misdemeaner charges as part of a plea bargain worked out with the BUSH DoJ, and completed his sentence.
      • Habemus, on 10/11/2007, -1/+1@Zoophagous> "Sandy Berger wasn't pardoned."

        Neither was Libby.
    • otheruser, on 10/11/2007, -1/+18Uh... you're an idiot.

      Sandy Berger was convicted and sentenced....
      • bonhoeffer, on 10/11/2007, -4/+0So was Scooter.
        • KyleGoetz, on 10/11/2007, -0/+3But Clinton didn't commute Berger's sentence. Nor was Berger pardoned by Clinton.
        • Habemus, on 10/11/2007, -1/+1@KyleGoetz >"But Clinton didn't commute Berger's sentence. Nor was Berger pardoned by Clinton."

          Berger got a much lighter sentence than Libby (1/5th the fine and no jail time) and Clinton wasn't President as so wasn't able to pardon Berger even if he wanted to.
    • parabolee, on 10/11/2007, -1/+7Also if you got your news from a real source you would know that the "stuffing in his pants" was complete lies. He took some copies in his briefcase! It is hardly a scandal on this level and hardly worth the attention you and the lying right wing media are trying to pretend it was!
    • deejqu1k, on 10/11/2007, -2/+0Hahah! Pant stuffing
    • deejqu1k, on 10/11/2007, -2/+0Hahah! Pant stuffing
  • shak3, on 10/11/2007, -32/+6It can't be a good idea to flood the White House with calls.
    • MaximumPig, on 10/11/2007, -0/+2Right, they might not be able to start a war with iran if we're tying up the line.
  • dontspamjay, on 10/11/2007, -21/+12http://www.usdoj.gov/pardon/clintonpardon_grants.htm

    'We're not saying we didn't think Mr. Libby was guilty of the things we found him guilty of, but it seemed like he was the fall guy. ... -Denis Collins
    • PABeachBum, on 10/11/2007, -3/+15Umm.... ::

      http://www.usdoj.gov/pardon/bushgrants.htm

      ....so whats your ***** point?
      • harlanh001, on 10/11/2007, -1/+12Make sure you realize those are of Bush Senior.
        • byronm, on 10/11/2007, -2/+3Blame Clinton, Blame Bush Sr - it doesn't matter. As others have stated Bush hasn't really commuted or pardoned anyone IN jail for petty crime or anything so its ODD that he would commute his fall guy to KEEP him from jail. If jail was excessive then why HASN'T BUSH JR pardoned/commuted jail sentences for those service excessive punishment? It doesn't jive anyway you spin it!
  • misconstrued, on 10/11/2007, -15/+90I'll be calling... hopefully I don't end up on a no fly list ;)
    • Novagenesis, on 10/11/2007, -1/+13Sounds like the airlines might as well file bankruptcy if every caller is on a no-fly
  • russizm, on 10/11/2007, -12/+9YAY Delaware!
  • ff1959, on 10/11/2007, -18/+12This is an outrage. We should mount a campaign to end all campaigns using telephone, email, snail-mail, and other communication methods to express our disappointment, dissatisfaction, and frustration at Bush's action.
    • primeguy, on 10/11/2007, -10/+1http://www.usdoj.gov/pardon/clintonpardon_grants.htm
    • ronaldinho, on 10/11/2007, -0/+5Maybe we should demonstrate like Hong Kong did when 500000 people demonstrated a year or two ago to oust their first Chief Executive instead of doing lame things such as calling......even Bush is not dumb enough to not protect his phone lines because he KNOWS his decision will create an outrage
    • bonhoeffer, on 10/11/2007, -3/+0This is not outrageous; the commutation makes an outrageous sentence more just. Scooter is guilty of perjury and obstruction of justice and will lose his law license and pay a $250,000 fine.
      By contrast, Bill Clinton's deal for perjury and obstruction of justice in the Paula Jones case was to lose his law license and pay a $25,000. fine. Maybe Scooter is still getting the shaft.
    • wholly2b, on 10/11/2007, -1/+0I agree -- how does one start such a movement?
    • boobees, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1then organize it ff
  • laserblazer, on 10/11/2007, -27/+46America's tyrant is basking in his power.
    • kazoolist, on 10/11/2007, -10/+3Yeah! That Tyrant!! How dare he use constitutionally given powers!!1!!1! ... Err, wait a second ...
      • laserblazer, on 10/11/2007, -0/+4My god, what a deformed little troll of an intellect squats under the bridge of your dome.
    • IslandDog, on 10/11/2007, -7/+1The problem with you liberals is you are so over dramatic. You have no clue what a real tyrant is, if you did you wouldn't make stupid remarks like that. Why don't you go live under a real tyrant and start talking all this nonsense and see what happens.
      • Korexz, on 10/11/2007, -0/+6And you just go on living blindly under the guise of a conservative.

        Your really just a spineless pussy.
  • brstilson, on 10/11/2007, -19/+13I'm outraged at Gerald Ford's pardon of Robert E. Lee. Confederate bastard.
  • AsylumAleikum, on 10/11/2007, -40/+15Libby's trial was a mockery of the justice system. He was convicted of covering up a crime that he did not commit. Bush should have pardoned Libby.
    • blaze4metal, on 10/11/2007, -5/+17That's only half of what Bush should have done. He should have admitted fault and allowed Libby to go free; he could have taken some responsibility for the first time in his life.
    • thefirelane, on 10/11/2007, -5/+26So you mean to say if you cover up a crime, it is ok, as long as you didn't commit the crime you are covering up? Amazing logic.
      • blqysmg, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1No crime was committed. He was convicted of covering up an action that was not illegal. If you found out that your neighbor danced in ladies underwear, and covered it up, would it be a crime? I hope not.
    • LastVisibleDog, on 10/11/2007, -22/+6Facts only confuse the Digg Democrat Children
    • brufleth, on 10/11/2007, -0/+20Wait so now it is okay to lie? You do know that's what Clinton was impeached for right? Bush does have the ability to pardon, I won't argue that. But claiming that Libby committed no crime is just silly.
      • blqysmg, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1How many months did Bill Clinton spend in jail for lying? I'll give you a hint, the same number as Libby is going to spend. Equatible?
    • byronm, on 10/11/2007, -0/+10Covering up a Crime is still a crime. If i knew something about a criminal case in civil course and i didn't step up or i lied in court to protect myself or the conviction of others, i would have been put in jail. Why is it different for LIbby - fall guy or not, he was part of it and should pay the price.
      • blqysmg, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1Covering up a crime is a crime. Covering up something that is NOT a crime? Is that a crime? Okay, lying under oath is a crime. He should pay something for perjury. How about, $250,000, and lose his law license?
  • BattleStar47, on 10/11/2007, -46/+40I wonder if his sentence was too tough. I don't say this becasue I think that Libby didn't do anything wrong. But from what I can gather he was acting under instructions from his superiors in the White House. On some level, he probably viewed himself as just being the agent of his superiors, kind of like when your boss makes a call you know is wrong, but because he's the boss you do it anyways.

    I think the $250,000 and two years probation is sufficient...Its not like he murdered anyone.
    • Waiting2awake, on 10/11/2007, -5/+14 Ahhhh, so the punishment on Libby was too harsh? I agree, it was also misdirected. Instead of Libby taking the fall, they should have went after Cheney - but Libby stood in the way and took the bullet. The trouble isn't just this one desicision, it is this horrible decision was needed, because of the criminal acts of the VP.

      This one thing added to the laundry list of evidence of crimes in the Admin and it stops being a political issue and it becomes one of national security.
      • sgbooth, on 10/11/2007, -1/+10Too harsh? Libby is a lawyer and knowingly lied under oath (knowing the consequences of his actions) to prevent a criminal prosecution. All Libby had to do was point the finger at Cheney and he would have never been prosecuted. But he did not, he chose loyalty to Cheney over the rule of law. And that is why he got 30 months. And secondly, Lawyers are held to a higher standard because they are sworn to seek the truth for the interests of justice, but Libby clearly prevented justice in this matter.
        • dorkino, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1"All Libby had to do was point the finger at Cheney and he would have never been prosecuted."

          The consequences of this decision would have far outweighed a simple obstruction of justice/perjury charge that he knew would pardoned/commuted anyway. His choices: Go with the White House, or go against the White House. And we all know what happens when you are against the White House.
          • Waiting2awake, on 10/11/2007, -0/+2 The same thing that happens in any dictatorship..... Why doesn't the rest of America see this?
      • otheruser, on 10/11/2007, -0/+5The sentence Libby received was well within the recommendations of the Federal Sentencing guidelines. The judge gave him exactly what the "book" called for.

        But you have to remember, Libby was not only a lawyer, he was Cheney's Chief of Staff, and that's by no means a humble position. Libby had a great deal of power, and he abused it, he should suffer the consequences.
    • Novagenesis, on 10/11/2007, -4/+17People get up to 10 or 15 or more for robbery. Libby was willingly part in a conspiracy. It doesn't matter if he was a pawn or a knight (or a queen?), he's still a knowing, willing, piece on the chessboard.
      And his involvement is only further backed by the near-pardon he received.
      • blaze4metal, on 10/11/2007, -1/+5Queen Libby has a nice ring to it.
    • 6502programmer, on 10/11/2007, -3/+11Uhhh, actually, we'll never know whether he was responsible for murder or not. He did, if the allegations are correct, have a role in the outing of an undercover agent who had Non-Official Cover. Now, anyone and anything connected with and to her is suspect. If I were an agent, working for "Brewster Jennings & Associates", at the very least, my career has just been blown. If I were in unfriendly territory, the ramifications could be much worse. Now, given this administrations track record for telling us bad news, do you think we'll ever know if the latter were to have happened?
      • blqysmg, on 10/11/2007, -1/+1She was NOT a covert agent. She DROVE to the CIA office everyday and got out of her car and walked through the doors. WOW, what a cover...
    • ELCad, on 10/11/2007, -1/+2Who gets 2 years for murder?
    • brainboy77, on 10/11/2007, -0/+2yes, two years for a scheming polictician who actually ratted out on a fellow member of the government just because that person had different views and committed perjury definitly doesn't deserve TWO YEARS! Somewhere, Paris Hilton had something to do with this.
    • bonhoeffer, on 10/11/2007, -3/+0Especially when Bill Clinton lost his law license and paid a $25,000 fine for perjury and obstruction of justice in the Paula Jones sexual harassment case.
      True, he cut a deal rather than go to trial, still, 30 months in the joint is overkill.
    • Mirag3, on 10/11/2007, -0/+2This is the Plame affair... his involvement could have gotten someone killed, and that is reckless endangerment. Oh, and everyone comparing to Clinton, wtf? Clinton gets put on trial because he got some? Where is the logic in that? Sure he perjured himself, but he also plead guilty and served his sentence... unlike Libby.
      • blqysmg, on 10/11/2007, -1/+1Valerie Plame worked a desk job at the CIA. Her covert days were over. It was an open fact that she was married to Joe Wilson, and that she worked at the CIA, at a desk. Just because it wasn't on everyone's mind, does not mean that the intelligence community did not know.
    • shellacked, on 10/11/2007, -0/+3To throw salt in the wound, Bush will probably pardon Libby after the elections. Libby supporters started a collection fund to pay his $250,000 fine. So after he gets pardoned and he gets his $250,000 refund it's not even his money he'll be getting back.

      That ***** is gonna get a $250,000 bonus for breaking the law. I can smell it already
    • hendo1769, on 10/11/2007, -0/+6That's called the Nuremberg defense, and it didn't work in Nuremberg either.
    • irobbig, on 10/11/2007, -0/+0Keeping your zipper up or endangering the intelligence organization that is where the difference is. no sentence is long in enough if you willingly leak information to force (in this case the operative's husband) someone to alter facts so we can go to war. The purpose and the intent of his actions were not as much personal pleasure (even though despicable) it was misleading the country to have a personal revenge. I guess we all wish we could get off this easily... Is this what you call "The love for my country" I hope his maker has elaborate plans for him, probably quite a detour to heaven if yo ask me.

      Thanks Digg!!
    • pdawg7, on 10/11/2007, -0/+0Libby obstructed an investigation into the ONLY outing of A SPY in OUR country's HISTORY. Who knows who was KILLED due to the outing, and Libby's subsequent COVERUP. If you can't see why these jokers should be waterboarded, then you need to go back to thinking school
      • dynamolife, on 10/11/2007, -0/+0@pdawg,
        You're kidding me right? The ONLY outing of A SPY in OUR country's HISTORY? Hansen anyone? Hansen's outings led to actual, recorded executions. I am not defending Libby, but he certainly didn't set any kind of precedent by his actions.
    • kelbear, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1His sentence was fair and appropriate. I would not want his sentence commuted or worsened. I felt the punishment fit the crime, and I feel that this travesty is a failure of the checks and balances our government is supposed to operate on. This is wrong. The executive branch should have no power over these proceedings.
      • rick283, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1No way...that crazy bitch Preacher's wife who shotgunned her husband in the back while he slept only got 3 months probation.

        I love the mock outrage from Democrats when a Republican commutes/pardons someone. They all do it.
  • victorycig, on 10/11/2007, -11/+31Just called--a secretary said they don't start taking comments until they open at 9 this morning. Call back in an hour, people!
    • cloudyprison, on 10/11/2007, -3/+9We only care what the people think between the hours of 12:22pm- 12:23pm. Whatever keep calling!
  • a7knight, on 10/11/2007, -43/+57It's the President's constitutional right to pardon or commute people from their crimes. Clinton did it 450 times, pardoning many people with much more serious crimes than perjury. While you may not agree with the commute, what can you do? It's in the Constitution.
    • scottc, on 10/11/2007, -5/+31what can you do?

      You can call and leave a comment. That's what the article is about. No one is arguing that Bush didn't have the right to do it.
      • a7knight, on 10/11/2007, -9/+3And you think that's going to change something? President Bush already doesn't seem to care about public opinion. Why would that change after some telephone calls? It's a waste of time, if you ask me.
        • blaze4metal, on 10/11/2007, -1/+6If we can get some press coverage out of this, we can show the country that at least a portion of the population is giving a ***** what happens in the White House. The administration is under the impression that Congress is getting bad ratings because they keep attacking the White House. Prove them wrong.
    • steeeler58, on 10/11/2007, -6/+7I commute 45 minutes to work everyday. Enough is enough!
      • a7knight, on 10/11/2007, -4/+3Commute (v.tr.)
        1. To change (a penalty, debt, or payment) to a less severe one.
        • hightower77, on 10/11/2007, -1/+9Joke (n. v.)
          1. Something said or done to provoke laughter or cause amusement, as a witticism, a short and amusing anecdote, or a prankish act: He tells very funny jokes. She played a joke on him.
        • MaximumPig, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1I sentence you to a longer commute.
    • thcobbs, on 10/11/2007, -6/+33"Clinton did it 450 times, pardoning many people with much more serious crimes than perjury"

      So? That's not the issue here. A high-level government official LIED under oath and he's going to get away with it. I don't know about you, but our high-level government officials MUST be held to a higher standard than everyone else. If you lie under oath, you go to JAIL. No question, no pardon.... You GO TO ***** JAIL!

      As to the question "What to do about it?". Get laws passed to stop this from happening ever again. Ethical Standards that must be adhered to as part of your oath of office/employment offer. After you get into the highest levels, you should act with the utmost ethical principles.... Or you should face the maximum punishment allowed by law.
      • clifgriffin, on 10/11/2007, -10/+1Just like Clinton went to jail for lying under oath right?

        Oh wait a second...I guess he didn't and where was Joseph Biden's outrage then? The original commenter was right: Clinton pardoned just about anyone he wanted. People who did a lot less Scooter Libby. Scooter Libby is a classic example of what happens when responsible people let their underlings take the flack for their indiscretions.
        • Y2JCrisis, on 10/11/2007, -0/+4Clinton was at least held accountable for his actions, not found guilty then let off the hook by his boss. Clinton was actually impeached, and acquitted of all charges by the Senate. Clinton was put on trial and was not found guilty. Libby was put on trial, found guilty, sentenced, and then of course, was let go as if the trial didn't matter.
        • Habemus, on 10/11/2007, -1/+1@Y2JCrisis: >"Libby was put on trial, found guilty, sentenced, and then of course, was let go as if the trial didn't matter."

          Let go? WTF? He has to pay a $250,000 fine, serve probation, loses his law license, and is considered a convicted felon. That's not "let go". I guess you are too stupid of a dumbass to know the difference between a commutation of a sentence and a pardon.
      • res2, on 10/11/2007, -8/+3"LIED under oath" oh, you mean like clinton did?
      • gnat74, on 10/11/2007, -7/+2Didn't Clinton commit perjury himself???? What little minds you Bush haters have!!! 30 months in prison was the longest time ever sentenced for that crime. STOP with the ***** politics !!
        • thcobbs, on 10/11/2007, -2/+3I've been a strong backer of Bush on many things where I think he's been unfairly maligned. And I DO believe that Clinton should have been impeached, removed from office, and sent to Jail.

          Just because it didn't happen that way doesn't mean it can NEVER happen that way.
      • brufleth, on 10/11/2007, -2/+5I think the three above commenters are saying they want Clinton's impeachment revoked and him re-instated as President. That's a little extreme guys.
      • Mirag3, on 10/11/2007, -3/+5Clinton lied under oath about getting some head... Libby almost got a woman killed...
        • Nothlit, on 10/11/2007, -0/+2Libby had nothing to do with the leak itself; he was charged with lying under oath during the investigation of the leak. Richard Armitage was the person who came forward and admitted leaking Plame's name... Libby was just the fall guy.
      • rick283, on 10/11/2007, -1/+2"almost got a woman killed" --- who made an attempt on her life? No one. Your comment is just sensationalized BS.
    • bsmang, on 10/11/2007, -1/+11Didn't Bush once say something along the lines of "If anyone in my administration was responsible in any way for the Plame leak, then I support their punishment" or something like that? Maybe it was something else he said that about, but it seems like that was it. What a dirty douche bag.
      • bonhoeffer, on 10/11/2007, -5/+1No one in Bush's administration was responsible for the Plame leak. So where exactly were you going with that?
      • Nothlit, on 10/11/2007, -0/+2The trouble is, Richard Armitage is the person who leaked the name, not Scooter Libby...
    • member57, on 10/11/2007, -5/+2Although I am extremely critical of Bush, the 2.5 year sentence was excessive.
      • Kevmike, on 10/11/2007, -0/+3No, it's treason. 10 years for a blowjob is excessive.
    • DIAF, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1I think the problem is that this guy is directly involved with the President. Its not a simple looking at the facts and then dishing out a pardon. They were friends and it was a personal favor. Thats abuse of the system and disrespect the constitution.
  • pfpurcell, on 10/11/2007, -9/+45The point is you're creating a general nuisance, and holding the president accountable for his own exact words - it's not so much "hi, i'm calling to leave a message for bush that I'm pissed" - it's
    "I'm calling to leave a message for the president in regard to his partial pardon of scooter libby. I just wanted to remind him that in 01 at his initial swearing in ceremony, he stated to his staffers 'We are all accountable to one another. And above all, we are all accountable to the law and to the American people.'"
    • GRTWHT, on 10/11/2007, -6/+1And this is going to matter/make a difference how exactly?

      Almost all politicians are liars and thieves - everyone seems to forget that and then gets outraged about something and thinks that they can then influence them to somehow stop being crooked.

      Get a clue people, they do what they want, when they want, how they want and don't give a damn whether you like it or not. The only ones that you have ANY hope of influencing are those trying to be elected/reelected and even those will forget any plans or promises for 'the people' as soon as they are in office.
  • Wartyboskfapped, on 10/11/2007, -17/+26When has he ever been right? About anything?
    • steeeler58, on 10/11/2007, -3/+13When he said he was a uniter, not a divider. Oh wait, the only thing he has united is the terrorists through out the world. Good job Dubya.
    • blaze4metal, on 10/11/2007, -1/+17Colbert: "73% of the country is united in their views about Bush, sir"
    • IslandDog, on 10/11/2007, -7/+2Taxes.
      Fighting terrorism.
      Showing how crazy liberals really are
      • biotch, on 10/11/2007, -0/+2Taxes:
        Exactly what economic indicator is it that shows his tax cut (favoring the rich) has done anything to move this economy forward better than the previous tax plan...
        Our surplus has turned into a massive deficit, and our national debt will exceed 9 trillion dollars by the end of this year.
        Investment, GDP, GNP, consumer confidence, small business confidence, and job hirings, are all either down or moving at a slugs pace barely keeping up with our natural population growth...

        Terrorism:
        Global terrorism has increased as a result of our presence in Iraq.
        http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/04/30/terror.report/index.html

        Showing people how crazy liberals are:
        When Bush took office Republicans had every single branch of government. Since then more liberal thinkers have taken over congress and Bush's approval is at a record low.
  • karenw, on 10/11/2007, -16/+16I'm going to call in an hour or so. I am so outraged and sickened by this administration. Their continued abuses of power are truly mind-blowing. And we thought Reagan was the "Teflon President!"
    • primeguy, on 10/11/2007, -10/+7You've got to be kidding me.

      http://www.usdoj.gov/pardon/clintonpardon_grants.htm
      • gromnie, on 10/11/2007, -1/+1But but but CLINTOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOON!
    • bonhoeffer, on 10/11/2007, -5/+1Wail louder, ye hypocrites; rend your clothes.
      I'll hum along.

      The last Democratic President commuted or pardoned scores of crooks, sexual predators, and campaign contributors. And NOW you're concerned about justice?
      • TheSavant, on 10/11/2007, -0/+5You are one to talk. The irony of this statement is astounding. The last Democratic president was impeached. Save yourself from being a hypocrite yourself and start pushing for the impeachment of Bush.
    • yodaj007, on 10/11/2007, -1/+2The problem here isn't that Bush is pardoning some guy, he's pardoning Libby. He is protecting his cronies.
    • blqysmg, on 10/11/2007, -0/+2Did you read his statement? He acknowleged that Libby broke the law, but felt that the fine and probation were enough of a punishment. The fine was 10 times what Clinton got. Clinton did not get Probation. What more do you want? Why? What possible benefit could it be to you if Scooter Libby has to spend two and a half years in jail? Do you get a discount at wal-mart or something? Get a life.
  • daxsymbiont, on 10/11/2007, -8/+3damn right!
  • floatingpoints, on 10/11/2007, -18/+7What's hilarious is you look at the list of pardons, and pretty much every President within this century has had very questionable pardons.

    George Washington pardoned leaders of the Whiskey Rebellion.
    GWB commutes the sentence of someone who OBSTRUCTED JUSTICE.

    I mean what the *****?

    If you attempt an action on GWB and get imprisoned for it, maybe a future president will pardon you since you'd be doing everyone a favor.
    • hppypnts, on 10/11/2007, -2/+8Except George Washington didn't instruct his staffers to initiate the Whiskey rebellion. It is not about what crime was commuted or that he commuted someone, it's that he commuted Libby who felt safe during the trial to cover up any misdeeds of the administration.
  • DaveV, on 10/11/2007, -37/+28Bush exercised a power of the Presidency. He didn't even pardon, just commuted the prison sentence.
    Your candidate didn't win and now you have to go for outrage and hatred and try to force out the candidate that did win.
    Quit your ***** whining already.
    • galore, on 10/11/2007, -7/+1You think this is a game, don't you?
    • thcobbs, on 10/11/2007, -3/+10"Quit your ***** whining already."

      I've defended many things the president has done because I thought that people were being unfair in their attacks on him. But THIS.....

      THIS *****....

      This is some ink that should have never left his pen. We need ethics in the Whitehouse.... Not get your buddy out of jail because he saved your ass.
    • Waiting2awake, on 10/11/2007, -4/+20 If you don't see what this means ..... Let me give you a hint. A CIA agent was outed for political purposes, that is a treasonous act isn't it?, and no one is being punished for it!!

      This isn't about Libby, this isn't even about Bush. This is about a member of the current Admin, acted in a treasonous manner, and not only did the public have to be happen getting a fall guy for the high crime, but even the fall guy gets out free. This happens in a lot of countries - all of them banana republics.
      • res2, on 10/11/2007, -12/+3She was not "outed" she was not under cover, therefore it is impossible to be outed. You need to learn some facts before you go spouting off at the keyboard. You just look ignorant.
        • kaeryn, on 10/11/2007, -3/+4You are too stupid to live.. PLEASE KILL YOURSELF NOW.
        • MaximumPig, on 10/11/2007, -0/+3you are sooo wrong. sorry.
    • graderguy, on 10/11/2007, -0/+2you noted (with some vitriol I might add)
      "Your candidate didn't win and now you have to go for outrage and hatred and try to force out the candidate that did win.
      Quit your ***** whining already."

      This sounds much like an indictment of the Republican controlled congress during the Clinton administration. You in a time machine or something?



  • thcobbs, on 10/11/2007, -16/+68This was just ***** STUPID. I can't believe that Bush would "commute" Libby sentence. The ***** LIED UNDER OATH. He should be in jail. ***** A, what a semantic game Bush played on this one.

    "I'm not going to pardon him...."
    "But I won't let him be punished..."
    "I know... NO JAIL TIME FOR YOU!"

    ***** bastard. Republicans were all OVER Clinton's Perjury... Where are they on this? There should be nationwide outrage over a top government official getting away unpunished with PERJURY!

    WTF is this government coming to?
    • primeguy, on 10/11/2007, -12/+6Are you kidding me? Using your logic, Clinton should be in jail! Why is this any different?
      • thcobbs, on 10/11/2007, -4/+10It's not any different and Clinton SHOULD have gone to jail.
        • Ndiggnation, on 10/11/2007, -2/+3Wholeheartedly agree. Sure, what Clinton and his administration did doesn't fall to the level of depravity and abuse or power that our current one does, but any public servant that commits a crime should do their time. Alas, they're all above the law though. The standards of justice are seemingly only applied to those without power, connections or millions of dollars to defend themselves.

          This from a card-carrying liberal.
        • MaximumPig, on 10/11/2007, -1/+2clinton was acquitted. libby was convicted. big difference. thanks for playing, though.
      • JigoroKano, on 10/11/2007, -1/+3Clinton settled actually.
    • kazoolist, on 10/11/2007, -15/+8This was just f---ing STUPID. I can't believe that CLINTON would get away without a sentence. The f---er LIED UNDER OATH. He should be in jail. F---ing A, what a semantic game CLINTON played on this one.
      • JigoroKano, on 10/11/2007, -1/+5Clinton settled. You see, when you settle instead of just lying more, they don't necessarily put you in jail.
        • thcobbs, on 10/11/2007, -0/+5I'm saying that as a high-ranking public official... you SHOULD go to jail for violating the trust of the American People and pissing on the judicial branch of government all at the same time.
    • Korexz, on 10/11/2007, -4/+11Clinton lied about his personal affairs. Not the security of our nation.
      • ctshrt, on 10/11/2007, -2/+1How much money would it take to buy out an 18 year old who is doing the pres? For the country to be secure the pres can't be so easy to get!
    • drakethegreat, on 10/11/2007, -1/+3HAR HAR HAR!!!! Wow is primeguy an idiot... Honestly impeachment procedings compared to federal indictments you have to be ***** kidding me. Takes one stupid idiot to think that is one and the same. Its already been mentioned that personal affairs is different from governmental affairs. Thats why they never actually charged him with anything... After all the only thing he did illegal was lie about the investigation into his personal life which was unconstitutional to begin with for ***** sake. Also at least Democrats take the time to admit Clinton's wrong doings instead of acting like a bunch of ass hat ***** when it comes to admitting they made EVEN ONE MISTAKE. We live in a world where people think they know everything and people are actually stupid enough to back them.
    • biotch, on 10/11/2007, -0/+2thecobbs..
      Perjury is not meant to be a sweeping broadsword. As with many laws.. there has always been a tradition of weighing the severity of an act of perjury and accompanying it with a corresponding sentence.
    • blqysmg, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1Clinton was convicted of exactly the same crimes, and spent no time in Jail. He paid $25,000 in fines. That's like his lunch bill. The President, in his statement, said that he knows Libby did wrong, and must pay for it. Ten times the fine that Clinton had to pay says something, as does retaining a Felony conviction. Bush could have pardoned him, wiping out the conviction, but chose not to do so. The fine and probation are a serious penalty to have to pay. I know you guys hate all things republican, and would like to see them all thrown into jail for daring to oppose you politically, but damn. Just let it go.
  • greginmadison, on 10/11/2007, -11/+26The direct phone number for the comment line is 202-456-1111 and they open 9AM east coast time
    • jstohler, on 10/11/2007, -0/+7Agreed. Call this number and skip the operator.
  • seraph82, on 10/11/2007, -4/+2http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2007/07/02/commutation-computations/#more-681
  • KMye, on 10/11/2007, -15/+26I'm a HUGE Biden for Prez supporter, but I have to admit, this is just hysterics to try to get some attention back on himself. The SProsecuter was running this whole witch hunt while he knew who (Armitage) had leaked the original information. Libby deserves to get out of the jail time, as much as Clinton deserved not to be held accountable for his own perjury. Let the digging down commence...
    • byronm, on 10/11/2007, -1/+5I think one of the major gotchas in thise case is that Libbys trial is still active in the court systems and to be commuted before the jury of peers has validated his sentencing is a slap in the face of our justice system. Bush bitched about activist judges, well, he just turned into an activist prez. Many presidents haver pardoned/commuted sentences before but i think this is the first that was ever done before all avenues of our justice system were completed.
      • bonhoeffer, on 10/11/2007, -1/+1A jury of peers doesn't validate any sentencing.
        Executives are supposed to be activists.
        Any other dumb arguments?
    • andwoo, on 10/11/2007, -2/+3@byronm: One reason Bush may have done that was because of the initial judge's ruling that Libby would have to be in jail during his appeal, a highly unusual step and one likely done to make an example of Libby. Basically, if it wasn't Libby on trial, he doesn't get the punishment he gets. I'm all for the rich and powerful not getting off because they are rich and powerful, but at the same time, they should not be punished more so because they are who they are. Libby, in this case, appears to have been punished more so because of who he was. Even though I loathe Bush, I think this move was correct.
      • byronm, on 10/11/2007, -1/+2Its not unusual to go to jail when convicted of treason.
    • royceguy, on 10/11/2007, -1/+3On the contrary, it is highly unusual to be free during appeal.
      As for the punishment being excessive...from ABC: "Appeals courts that review prison terms imposed by trial judges may deem them reasonable if they fall within federal sentencing guidelines adopted in the mid-1980s, the high court said.
      The justices upheld a 33-month sentence given to Victor Rita for perjury and making false statements. Rita is a 25-year military veteran and former civilian federal employee. The prison term falls within the guidelines range and was upheld by the 4th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals, posing the question of whether sentences within the guidelines ordinarily will be considered reasonable."
      Personally, I think the penality for perjury should be at least the same as whatever crime is being investigated when the perjury occurs. Otherwise you get instances like this where it is much more convenient to lie and take your medicine (or not) than to tell the truth and get caught outing an intelligence asset.
  • prleet, on 10/11/2007, -7/+7Socretes once said something to this effect of politics, "Those who are in politics should not be, and those who are not in politcs should have a gun pointed to their head, and made to govern," suppose for the republic. Then again, their is is the Nazi past of some people :)
    • noamsml, on 10/11/2007, -0/+4I highly doubt Socrates mentioned guns, considering that he lived in ancient Greece.
    • noamsml, on 10/11/2007, -1/+1I highly doubt Socrates mentioned guns, considering that he lived in ancient Greece.
    • mcmackon, on 10/11/2007, -2/+1i'm pretty sure there were no guns around when socrates was alive. . .
    • infectaphibian, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1Socrates kicks ass.
  • epilonious, on 10/11/2007, -18/+37"I call for all Americans to flood the White House with phone calls tomorrow expressing their outrage over this blatant disregard for the rule of law."

    Now, I am no Bush supporter by any means... But the constitution says Bush is allowed to pardon/commute whoever he damn well pleases. I'd much rather pick up the phone to bitch about the 17 or so things he keeps trying that the constitution specifically says he /can't/ do. Where was congress during those moments? Oh yeah, cowering under the threat of being un-american by "making it easier for terrorists" or something.
    • brainboy77, on 10/11/2007, -1/+6yeah but the thing is that this is just shady! his own admin member causes obstruction of justice and he just commutes his sentence! this is the first time in history that this has happened. All Ford did was pardon Nixon, and he's been hated til he died. Bush got one of his "Bushies" out of JAIL! It might be legal, but there's no good reason for this.
      • epilonious, on 10/11/2007, -0/+2If you really want presidents, even bad ones, to lose the power to pardon people (keep in mind that often it is used to pardon political prisoners held on bogus reasons or people that got really screwed by the justice system in their respective states)... then go about amending the constitution to take it out.

        In the meantime, he and his cronies should get into much more trouble for all the times they balked the constitution regarding torture and the lack of due process, but for some reason that is not happening, and I would much rather back and call a challenge to those actions as they don't have a clear precedent for being legal (albeit controversial).
    • biotch, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1The point here is that his administration used the illegal outing of a CIA agent to quell dissent for his phony plan for Iraq.
      Libby was commuted to keep him from spilling the beans about who said what and where the order came from.
      The pardon itself is not what people take issue with. Its the much more drastic underlying issue at hand that people have a problem with.
  • galore, on 10/11/2007, -12/+38The president commuting the sentence of the former chief of staff who was convicted for perjury in a treason case during a time of war.

    The USA is cementing its reputation as a banana republic.
    • GabrielS, on 10/11/2007, -1/+4Treason case? Check your facts. This was never an investigation of treason.

      Where did you get this warped point of view?
      a) Your facts are wrong.
      b) War powers were never part of the defense nor the prosecution.
      c) Libby was the VPs chief of staff.
      • biotch, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1Actually there has been an ongoing investigation for who outed the CIA agent. Libby lied during that investigation as cover for whoever committed that act. He provided cover for a treasonous act and made it harder for investigators to get to the bottom of who did it. That is why he was sentenced
    • sheared, on 10/11/2007, -1/+0Actually they are not.
    • bonhoeffer, on 10/11/2007, -0/+2Colorful, but wrong. Scooter was convicted of perjury in a perjury case.
      • byronm, on 10/11/2007, -1/+2Its still an act of treason for what he did. Fall guy or not, it was an act against our nation, naitaional security and our judicial system that under any other administration would have been found treasonous. Just because they didn't go after him for treason, doesn't mean he isn't a traitor.
        • noamsml, on 10/11/2007, -1/+2Really?

          He levied war against the united states or gave aid and comfort to its enemies? That's news to me.
          • byronm, on 10/11/2007, -1/+1aid to our enemies by ousting covert agents that were trying to prohibit the distribution of WMD's in an effort to increase a stronghold of political power. sounds like treason to me.
  • datatribe, on 10/11/2007, -16/+16He commuted the prison sentence - the fine and criminal record that result from the sentencing stand. Complete and total LEGAL use of presidential power as granted under the constitution. Just ask Bill Clinton - he can explain it to you.
    • bitORlogic, on 10/19/2007, -1/+8Legal and immoral. I have no qualms expressing distate and anger at the misuse of government powers, however legal. The idea that nobody should complain about use of legal methods is absurd. Not too put too fine a point on it, but the Holocaust was legal in Germany, as was the Trail of Tears in the USA. Obviously these were far more atrocious than some piddly ***** that Scooter did. But the principle is exactly the same: ( legal => moral ) FALSE
    • byronm, on 10/19/2007, -1/+5Actually the sentence was still active in the court systems. Clinton never commuted a person who was still actively seeking judicial review (appearl) of his/her case. Libby was still in courts appealing his conviction which now that he is commuted i'm sure future jurors will continue to fall on the "doesn't matter anymore.. let him go" bandwagon.

      precedence my friend. It matters not what happened in the past in a time when we the people can set a precedence for our future.
    • EarlOfLade, on 10/19/2007, -3/+1Name: "datatribe"
      Reputation: "rabid with winger"

      Ok, got it now, I will remember this particular post and how you defended the president when let say a democratic president in the future pardons someone and see how you'll react then. I can only imagine the outrage that came from you during the Clinton years too.
    • royceguy, on 10/19/2007, -1/+7I swear to god if I hear "but Clinton did it" one more time out of a Bush apologists mouth I'll scream.

      Bush is the guy who came to the White House to "restore honor and accountability." HE put himself up to a higher standard than "it's OK if Clinton did it."
      • datatribe, on 10/19/2007, -0/+1yep. sucks when the other side screws with your world view, eh?
  • Agilus, on 10/11/2007, -11/+104That's a beautiful system they have in place:

    1. Commit crimes.
    2. Have lackey take the fall (Libby).
    3. Commute sentence of lackey.
    4. Profit!!!! (start again at 1)
    • g33b33, on 10/11/2007, -6/+0dugg for gnomes reference
    • EarlOfLade, on 10/11/2007, -1/+11You see, USA has the best political system in the world (If you are a corrupt criminal that is)

      USA needs a political revolution, nothing more, nothing less. The political system here in the US is among the worst in in the world.
      • withincontext, on 10/11/2007, -1/+2You're a flippin' moron. It's bad, but not among the worst in the world. Get a clue.
      • jer2eydevil88, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1Withincontext is correct. You sir are a moron.

        If you want a less corrupt government do what people did in the 1960's and 70's ORGANIZE and VOTE.
    • Dustin00, on 10/11/2007, -0/+3The amazing part is the number of lackeys that are still eager to help them.
    • muffins, on 10/11/2007, -1/+3This is completely wrong. Step three is suppose to be ????
  • coit, on 10/11/2007, -21/+15So it was OK when Clinton pardoned all his buddies, but not when Bush only erases a sentence. I smell hypocrisy.
    • manoftheisland, on 10/19/2007, -4/+6and clinton pardoned alot of people that lived in Hilary's region of NY where she needed votes to get elected to the senate.

      and dont forget the perjury that clinton admitted to that we never hear about anymore. Libby was wrong but so was clinton.
      • IamTheProfessor, on 10/11/2007, -0/+4It's typical of someone like you to redirect blame when you know you're wrong. Rather than admit that you're wrong, you turn around and say, "Yah, so was he. He did it first." Stop being so childish. Clinton lied and was impeached. All others should get the same treatment.
    • bitORlogic, on 10/19/2007, -5/+9Wait, who said it was OK when "Clinton pardoned all his buddies"? Maybe you've confused the scent of "hypocrisy" with that of a burning straw man.
    • brainboy77, on 10/11/2007, -5/+1wait, who did Clinton pardon? C'mon, take pity against the middle-schooler!
  • GRTWHT, on 10/11/2007, -10/+10And this is going to matter/make a difference how exactly?

    Almost all politicians are liars and thieves - everyone seems to forget that and then gets outraged about something and thinks that they can then influence them to somehow stop being crooked.

    Get a clue people, they do what they want, when they want, how they want and don't give a damn whether you like it or not. The only ones that you have ANY hope of influencing are those trying to be elected/reelected and even those will forget any plans or promises for 'the people' as soon as they are in office.
    • byronm, on 10/11/2007, -0/+3Democracy in action will make a difference, you sit on your ass and you only set precedance that future presidents can get away with this and then some.
    • EarlOfLade, on 10/11/2007, -0/+4You, sir, if this is something you accept as the norm, is an idiot.
      I don't recognize your characterization of politicians from where I come from, they are exactly the opposite.

      USA has one of the worst political systems in the world, do something about the *****.
      • GRTWHT, on 10/11/2007, -1/+1I was referring to US politicians, please accept my most humble apologies and get off your high horse.
        • erasedgod, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1Should you really be apologizing to someone who just said "You, sir, is an idiot"?
  • davenp35, on 10/11/2007, -16/+10I called to offer my full support and only wish that he had been fully pardoned for the witch hunt prosecution that took place.
    • byronm, on 10/11/2007, -1/+5I'm glad you think that treason is something people should be able to get away with. After all, you need lies, deceipt, war, hate and with hunts to keep your party artificially in power out of the sake of fear.

      Keep it up buddy, you and your kids will love a country where people like you rape, pilliage and plunder our future because you think its your god given right.
  • alpine75, on 10/19/2007, -27/+22Hmm...

    George W. Bush:
    Pardons: 113
    Commutations: 4 (including Libby)

    Bill Clinton:
    P