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- AriaStar, on 10/12/2007, -10/+146The feds don't want us reminded every day of the soldiers in Iraq. They want us to forget.
- JCSaint, on 10/12/2007, -7/+107He's not undermining a tragedy. He's pointing out that soldiers die every week (almost every day) in Iraq but we've grown complacent and blase about the news. It's gta2mobster below said. The VT shootings are front page but when over 5 times as many people die in Iraq, it's below the fold.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -10/+65Or why George W. Bush attended the mass of the students but not ONE ***** SOLDIER?
- gta3mobster, on 10/12/2007, -11/+63... because Americans are stupid?
Funny thing, the front page of the Wisconsin State Journal had "32 killed in massacre." and a giant picture of crying people on it. On the bottom of the front page, they had a tiny box for "170 dead in Iraq bombing."
People get bored with the same news everyday. That's why the only news on TV is bad news. Why the flag was at half-staff, I dunno. People seem to be getting worse at handling bad news. - vertinox, on 10/12/2007, -5/+48And don't forget... If we had to half mast the flag every time a US soldier died, it would be at half mast all year round.
- aston127, on 10/12/2007, -0/+29Everytime a soldier from Michigan dies, it's a state wide mandate to lower the flags to half staff for the day (or for however many soldiers died). I'm suprised other states don't have a similar policy.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -20/+49Tell him the reason is because the government looks at those kids as humans, whereas you guys are merely pawn for the politicians to play with. "Send them here, send them there, send them everywhere, who gives a flying *****? We are the politicians; we own them". Yes, they do own you. Something to think about it next time you wanna "serve your country". You're serving the likes of Bush and Cheney. Sorry.
- Racerx52, on 10/12/2007, -8/+35You don't call soldiers dieing every day a TRAGEDY?
- AriaStar, on 10/12/2007, -4/+28@ those saying "they signed up for it":
They signed up to defend this country. Our country was in NO DANGER from Iraq. We went there supposedly to find WMDs, but what did we find? Nothing. No threat. Yet we stay there. Stealing the country.
They did NOT sign up to go invade a country to fulfill some tyrant's personal agenda. This is ABUSE of our soldiers, and NOT what they signed for. - nreynolds, on 10/12/2007, -24/+47If we lowered the flag for every day of the war the act would lose meaning. These students didn't sign up for the army, knowing they have a slight chance of dying, the circumstances are completely different.
- cliffzdude, on 10/12/2007, -1/+20Q. Why aren't American flags flown at half staff for our fallen troops?
A. That's a trick question, as they are flown at half staff for our fallen troops.
Official Dates to fly half-Staff:
+ Peace Officers Memorial Day, May 15th
+ Memorial Day, last Monday in May (Flag raised to full staff at noon)
+ Korean War Veterans Day, July 27th
+ Patriot Day, September 11th
+ Pearl Harbor Remembrance Day, December 7th - pintomp3, on 10/12/2007, -4/+21tizz: i'm sick and tired of hearing the "they signed up for it, oh well" argument. they signed up to protect our country, even if it means giving their life; this is not some game show for you to throw the death wavers in the faces of the families they left behind. the least our officials can do is to not put them in harms way unless it is vital to protecting our country (and no, a bunch of lies and phony intel doesn't count). instead they use them as pawns so their PNAC, halliburton, and blackhawk buddies can profit. i'm pretty sure the recruiters don't state "sign up to die in order to increase the profits of the military industrial complex"
- glguy, on 10/12/2007, -1/+12Soldiers sign up to defend their country, not to be misused.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -4/+15Iraq is a warzone, VT is not. Simple as that.
- SultanTravi, on 10/12/2007, -1/+12Crawfish makes a good point, I think, in that it wouldn't make sense for military bases to keep their flags at half-mast. Doing that would lessen the image of the base itself, which is supposed to stand strong, and the people there don't need a reminder.
However, I do think it makes sense to keep American flags at home at half-mast throughout the war, in recognition of the men and women killed each day. I think it would be a good idea, but of course, the government wants people to forget about the war. - sysoprock, on 10/12/2007, -2/+12It's because the insurgents don't have Facebook profiles :(
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+10"When you put on a uniform, there are certain inhibitions that you accept."
-Dwight D. Eisenhower - satanatnmtedu, on 10/12/2007, -3/+12Soldiers don't join the military to die.
- opticsnake, on 10/12/2007, -1/+9We should.
- Hentez, on 10/12/2007, -5/+13Simple, the administration doesn't want anything to remind us about Iraq, the soldiers giving their lives, and the money they have spend.
- Wargalas, on 10/12/2007, -2/+8Wrong.
Combat deaths in Afghanistan is hovering around 300 while Iraq deaths are a bit more then 3,000. MAJOR difference. - TheNik, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6A soldier that graduated from the high school I attend died in action Friday and we kept the flag at half-mast today. So he's not entirely correct.
- dracostimpy, on 10/12/2007, -2/+8Anyone who expects safety, be they student or soldier, is a fool. The only entity that should ever be relied upon to provide safety for you is YOU. How many Katrinas and 9/11's and VA Techs do we need to endure before we realize that?
As for the troops, I pity them for putting their safety in the hands of their government, but perhaps those who make it back alive will do us all a favor by explaining to their fellow Americans how foolish they were for trusting their leaders and allowing their patriotism to be hijacked by men with agendas. It's a noble thing to risk your life protecting your homeland, but it's a whole different ball game when you risk your life serving the political interests of the asshats who have seized control of your country. That's the BAD kind of patriotism.
I'll NEVER join the military for any reason since to do so is to give up my inalienable rights as a human being, but I'll lay my life down in a moment to protect my country if and when we are truly invaded by the mighty Al Qaeda military behemoth (*wink*). In reality, of course, the greatest threat to America is not a foreign enemy, but the domestic enemy known as the military-industrial complex. If our troops really want to protect America, I'm all for them rumbling their tanks through the HQ of Lockheed, Halliburton, etc to lay waste to the true enemy of America, the creeping fascism within. - dragonopolis, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6I almost died twice in Iraq but I chose my profession and the danger I faced. These people at VT did not choose to put their lives in danger and I see no issue mourning their loss as a nation. Does that mean we don't honor our fallen? No, we should an do honor them, but I don't believe we should have to lower the flag every time. There are lots of other Enforcement agencies that lose lives for our Country and way of life. Heck, maybe we should just fly the flag half mast all the Time. If this soldier is serving the country based soley on whether the President flies a flag half mast when you die then look for another Profession.
What happen to these People and families of those that were killed at VT was very tragic. They had no weapons to defend themselves with nor did any person expect such an atrocity to occur there. We, as soldiers, know what we are getting into - including the risks (and if you don't that's your fault because its no secret what we do as soldiers in the US Military). We are given weapons to help reduce that risk. This soldier shouldn't be using someone elses grief to spread personal propaganda. - crawfishsoul, on 10/12/2007, -17/+22To expand on your point vertinox, whether you are being sarcastic or not:
Having flag(s) at half-mast at a military base in a battlefield is bad for troop moral and great for the enemy's moral. I don't think many of our troops need a daily reminder of the death of their comrades, either. It's like hanging a sign on the perimeter wall that says, "You got one of us, congrats!" - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6Over sixty five THOUSAND civillians have died in Iraq. No one has lowered a flag for them. That total hasn't even been mentioned on the news.
- bigrob75, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5Great point. Our flags should fly Half mast until our boys come home!
- Heikell, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6Military personell follow orders, thats why its called the military, it's not a democracy get it right.
Before you criticize the military you should criticize the politicians who send them there. - michaelb1, on 10/12/2007, -5/+10we wish only 5 years.
when does a war on terror end? - CrimsonBlur, on 10/12/2007, -2/+7While I do see this guy's point, he's missing a major factor: Iraq is a war zone and casualties, while still tragic, are an automatic assumption. Even in Iraq right now, over 30 US soldiers being killed in a single battle would be asignificant, and again, that's in a war zone. This happened on the mainland to civilians attending college. Huge difference in circumstance and context. Furthermore, soldiers in the military are all fully aware that they could be killed in combat, and they volunteer for the job. While of course the death of (almost) anyone is a tragedy, an event like the VA Massacre is in a league of its own, which is why the flag was lowered.
- mattc908, on 10/12/2007, -2/+7Afghanistan, its just as bad as Iraq but the media wont focus on it because its something deemed "acceptable" by the media so they dont spill how many people die there.
- DeskFlyer, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Half-staff#United_States
- gyronic, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5This exemplifies the core issue with he Iraq war
Less then 1% of Americans are impacted by it.
Outta sight, Outta mind. - Comatose51, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6@mrmongoose: No he doesn't. That flag is yours just as much as it is mine and the President's. Fly it at half mast tomorrow if you want. Fly it at half mast everyday if you like. The President/Congress can say when the flag is flown at half mast for Federal buildings but the flag flying over your house or mine is up to us to determine.
- bmson, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5Because soldiers invade countries knowing that they could be killed.
Students don't go to school knowing that they could be killed. - tinytina, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4I checked timeanddate.com. If we flew the American flag at half-mast, one day for each on of the estimated 3313 soldiers killed thus far in Operation Iraqi Freedom (http://www.defenselink.mil/news/casualty.pdf), we wouldn't see a flag at the top of the mast until Wednesday, May 18, 2016!
- Comatose51, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4@TheKidd: Because he sleeps easier at night not having to think about the mess he has created and the price other people's children have had to pay.
- JAG731, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Hmm, Spam is define as: unsolicited usually commercial e-mail sent to a large number of addresses. Considering notachickenhawk's unique and pictorial way of getting his/her point across while addressing the subject, I hardly consider the response spam, much less moronic.
- JCSaint, on 10/12/2007, -6/+9crawfish,
Do you honestly think there's anything more we can do to remind them that their fellow soldiers are dying all the time? These guys know what's going on. They know what's going on every minute of every day. If anything, they probably want more attention on what's going on over there, not less. Also, we're dealing with an enemy where morale isn't really an issue. They're not in it to "win." They're in it so we "lose." They'll keep things up like this all the time even if we kill as many or more of them as they kill of us. When they die in battle, it's glorious, not a tragedy. That kind of mindset is hard to weaken. - mlw4428, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4I like YOUR point. BUT why DO you have to TALK like THIS to get it ACROSS?
- NotAChickenHawk, on 10/12/2007, -7/+10The latest count of our fallen servicemen in Iraq I've seen is 3313. Below is one small star for each of them. Every one of these stars represents a person - a person who was someone's father, mother, daughter, or son. Everyone of them had a lifetime ahead of them, and every one of them gave that up in the service of our country. So please, take the time to read this list. Consider how many times you've heard any of their names before, seen a picture of any of these brave men and women, or heard their stories. They should not be forgotten or brushed aside. So yes, this is a very long post, and I'm sure I'll be dugg down massively, but if even a few people will take the time to consider this, it will be worth it.
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God bless each of them, may they rest in peace.
Oh, and 32 stars for the victims at VaTech. May God also bless them and may they also rest in peace.
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* * - PuppadogServant, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3@TheKidd - I've been wondering the same thing, why the president hasn't attended a single burial of a military member, since October 2001 when Brian Anthony Moss (google him) was interred at Arlington. You know what? I still haven't come up with a good reason.
Sad, don't you think? - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5It is because our flags would ALWAYS be at half mast, because there will always be a death in Iraq so long as Bush is our president.
- michaelb1, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5Because the troop deaths are way over there.
The American people sadly don't feel the loss.
I for one think about the troops in Iraq everyday and wish Bush would bring them home.
I've argued this over and over on digg. - gta3mobster, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3@ luvs2spooge
I completely agree.
In response to your statement: "Of course the media outlets will report on the bad things that happen around the world because, let's face it, we as humans love tragedy and love to be shocked. For us Americans, it seems as though it's become some form of sick entertainment where we need to constantly be in a state of awe and shock." I respond with the following...
I don't believe it's the requirement to keep viewers in awe and shock. If I can make a difference with just one mind in my lifetime, I have accomplished more than 90% of humans born in the past century.
Think of how humans perceive and react to events, whether tragic or blissful. Our first reaction is to react as the whole group does. Without doing so, humans will feel unaccepted/feel like an outcast. It is our nature to react as others do in our society. Questioning where the initial reaction originates from is another debate... I think it's safe to say, whenever we hear of such a tragic event, such as the VT shooting, or any modern killing spree, it comes from the mainstream media: CNN/ABC, FOX, CBS, NBC.
Like you said, it expands from the desire to gain corporate profit. Notice how whenever anything tragic happens: Cnn has in big BOLD CAPITOL white letters "BREAKING NEWS" or "NEW DEVELOPMENTS", Fox has "FOX NEWS ALERT", Nbc has "BREAKING" or "ALERT" (not absolutely sure on NBC, don't watch it often), etc. It's all in an effort to gain their own audience.
Wonder why Fox jumped to call Bush the winner in the election? It gets their name out. Plain and simple. And if they're wrong, granted that's not good PR, it still gets their name into the media. Now going back to the whole reaction will dictate our emotion, look at how all of the mainstream media outlets reacted to this event. They all act the same. The difference is comparing Pepsi to Coke; that is exactly what mainstream media is in America. It's an oligopoly, where they all preach the same *****, they're just a different flavor.
I really don't like to rant, but at the same time I believe I must. Notice how stories like this "Army Sergeant Questions Why American Flag Was Lowered" doesn't make mainstream media (to my knowledge)...
In reality, the majority of the American population could give a ***** less about the military. Look at how ungrateful Americans are towards their country (in general. I know there are exceptions, but in general, you cannot disagree with me). Notice how the media rallies around the president after 9/11... So the country does so... The media attacks Imus... The country does so... The media supports VT... The country does so.
This is one of the reasons I am seriously considering leaving this country. Every proceeding generation is less disciplined/respectful than the previous and the culture is becoming increasingly consumerist. America needs to seriously get planted flat on its ass. Maybe then we will truly become united again. America is still the strongest country in the world, but only because of socioeconomic forces. The arrogance will not last forever, and I truly hope this nation realizes it before it's too late.
But yeah, that's my rant. The reason the flag is at half staff is because Americans are becoming ever more-so sheep, to sum it up. - strebormj, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3Maybe if the flags all over the country are kept at half-mast until the Crusade is over, people would pay more attention to it. Thousands of our boys have been killed fighting Israel's battles, and not only is the end not in sight, the Israeli-American/neocon leadership of both major parties have their sights set on Iran, Syria, and the rest of the Arab-Islamic world.
- monsterkody, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Yep, the less we see the negatives, the longer the war can go on, and the higher the profits
- pkulak, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Last I checked, the students at Virginia Tech weren't at war.
- Spanktacular, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Everyone here should send e-mails, letters, and make phone calls to the powers that be in your office buildings, and your post offices, and your state and local governments demanding that the flags be flown at half-staff for the fallen soliders in Iraq. It is a perfectly reasonable request, and people DO need constant reminders of the cost of this illegal war.
- TVarmy, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2How many people from Blackwater have died so far? Is there a place I can find out? I wonder how many died in either Iraq or Afghanistan?
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