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- scrubadub, on 10/12/2007, -8/+47@ScottJG
"What easier way is there to get rich than to get people scared about the government, then make them pay for a movie ticket to "inform" them of the "truth"?"
I can think of a few
1. Creating fake reasons to go to war
2. Scaring the people into believing that police with MP-5's are for their safety
3. Letting the oil industry have a hand in government
4. Letting the MPAA / RIAA having a hand in government
5. Throwing out the 4th amendment in cases such as airlines and subways
6. Throwing up cameras everywhere you can
And I can avoid paying for the movie... I can't avoid paying for the above programs - graystar, on 10/12/2007, -6/+39Imagine you go into a factory, and it is full of people working. You notice a really disgusting foul stench. You ask "Icch, what is that smell? It's disgusting." They all turn to you and go "What smell? I can't smell anything."
It is the same here. Facism? What Fascism? - MarkStrube, on 10/12/2007, -8/+39Sorry but that's what the government does - scares the crap out of us. The difference with this movie? This movie is taking your money voluntarily. If you don't give the government its blood money, you'll end up in jail or dead.
- MiloMindrbindr, on 10/12/2007, -4/+34so in essence what youre saying is that its just as, or even more, reliable than our local news and government's press releases/information?
- MarkCiccone, on 10/12/2007, -11/+36I've seen this, and it is THE scarriest movie you will ever see. Will make you angry, scared all at the same time. It's a call to action, will America answer?
I'll be happy to answer any questions! - graystar, on 10/12/2007, -2/+27Exactly. Legalise drugs and you empty the prisons. Locking up someone based on them consuming something for their own person is infringing their liberty.
- asdfasdf, on 10/12/2007, -6/+29How can you have a War on Terrorism and a War on Drugs at the same time if drugs (hard drugs and soft drugs like pot, shrooms and Ecstacy) fund terrorism?
The solution is to legalize drugs. That way, terrorist groups and corrupt governments (Afghanistan, North Korea, etc) would not be easily able to make millions-billions of dollars to fund their operations.
Drugs should be legalized and regulated, much like the hard drugs alcohol and nicotine are today. Some even propose regulating caffeine, at least for minors.
Common Sense For Drug Policy -- Learn the facts..
http://www.csdp.org/ - nofxjunkee, on 10/12/2007, -1/+23"Congressman Paul makes a compelling argument for the proposition that
America is already in the process of becoming a police state."
America IS a police a state. - JustinGN, on 10/12/2007, -2/+23Point, but doesn't change the fact I'm sticking my RFID National ID in a microwave the day I get it.
- naien, on 10/12/2007, -5/+24get the real story: www.whywefight.com
Straight from the horse's mouth. - jellygraph, on 10/12/2007, -4/+21I dunno, I honestly don't think I've perceived much of a change in the average americans thinking and attitudes and feeling of great self-importance/patriotism for as long as I can remember. even G Bush was some what in line with American thinking.
What really marked a change in the US government was the election of GW Bush, theres no doubt about that. so much so we should extend our reference to time as being, BC, BGW, AGW (before christ, before george bush, after george bush)
americans are still in denial about this government because they've always had it so good for a loong time and there are so many profoundly religious people in the united states who blindly see gw as a good man, simply because he claims to be one of them... total mis-represntation - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -2/+18I'm sure the studios considered calling it: America: From Freedom to Pre-Fascism. It didn't pass the Marketing Dept.
- korteenea, on 10/12/2007, -3/+17It is the dusk of Freedom's setting sun. Though light shines through, the darkness steadily encroaches. May as well get these movies out while we still can.
- nofxjunkee, on 10/12/2007, -3/+15The reasons they allow are because:
1) They have to continue the facade of freedom, and
2) They know no one will listen, and that no one will change anything
As if this is the first movie if it's kind. The others didn't change anything, they have absolute confidence that the masses will continue to watch MTV Cribs or some crummy reality show instead. The sad thing is, they're right. - ExCornelius, on 10/12/2007, -2/+14Is Bill Clinton a fascist? No. Did some of his administration's policies take us closer to fascism? Yes.
Almost no one is an outright fascist. Fascism/authoritarianism comes in small, seemingly reasonable steps, and over a long enough period people might not even notice the downward slide. That is, until you're the one near the bottom-end. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -2/+13All drugs should absolutely be legalized, but should not be regulated by the government. That's just a cop-out, half solution to the problem. Drugs should not fund our leaders anymore than they currently fund the dealers and cartels. That kind of money corrupts.
- neko, on 10/12/2007, -0/+10"These are the candidates? They sound like clones!"
- Cymrubeats, on 10/12/2007, -1/+11"The Sixteenth Amendment conferred no new power of taxation but simply prohibited the previous complete and plenary power of income taxation possessed by Congress from the beginning from being taken out of the category of indirect taxation to which it inherently belonged.''
That part?
http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/data/constitution/amendment16/01.html#2 - fancypantscz, on 10/12/2007, -1/+9I watched the interview with Aaron Russo, the director of the film, and there he gives his working definition of fascism.
“Fascism is actually the synergistic effort of big government and big corporations working together stifle the people. And that is what we have in America today. If you ask Mussolini what fascism was he would say it is really corporatism. I think it was Tolstoy who said that fascism is capitalism in decay.”
So perhaps a better title might have been “America: From Freedom to Corporatacracy” - Clp727, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8Our monetary system is backed by good faith, not the gold standard. The Federal Reserve instituted Fiat currency. Fiat currency has brought about inflation. The Federal Reserve issue has been around since Roosevelt's New Deal. It is a shame that most people haven't paid attention to the facts.
I believe that most of what the movie "From Freedom to Fascism" presents is truth. Anyone with access to Google can find out this information. Just ask an your accountant about the American financial system. You will probably get a neutral response, but you will learn about how the banking system in America actually works.
I honestly don't think our founding fathers would like what has happened to America in the last century, but that is only my guess on what their opinion would be. I also would dare to guess that they would view our actions as giving up our sovereignty. - hexix, on 10/12/2007, -2/+10Zethris, don't be stupid. It's not liberals who act foolish, it's anyone who is too far either right or left. Once you become too far, then you can no longer listen to reality because it might contradict your beliefs.
It sounds like you're probably in that category. - andrew1193, on 10/12/2007, -6/+13"I'm sorry, but anyone who says that Bill Clinton is a fascist or deliberately institutionalized fascism, seriously needs to get their mental health checked and doesn't know anything about the man or what he did for America while in office."
...such as 'Clipper', 'Waco', abuse and violence toward anyone deemed as being associated with "far right" groups... - Cymrubeats, on 10/12/2007, -9/+15Or what he did for other countries...he was implicit in pushing forward the end to the violence in Northern Ireland and Britain, no president before nor after (not that it was necessary after his involvement) put as much effort into this and many other global issues as he did.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -2/+8The Federal Reserve is at the root of many of our most serious problems: inflation, the weakened dollar, gov't debt, business cycles, interest rates and on and on. You simply can't have an entity that creates money out of thin air. If you wish to learn about the reasons for its creation & existence and learn about the wreckage it has caused, please watch this video from the Mises Institute: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-466210540567002553
It will make a lot of issues so much easier to comprehend.
My thanks go to everyone for the response/comments to this topic. Keep 'em coming! - Protonz, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5@baka-dono
What so fascism can't exist if people can select between 2 leaders? Perhaps you are right, I really enjoyed the Green party and Libertarian party views in the official presidential debates. Oh wait...
And if you try to make an anti-war statement you can be arrested and dragged off by cops. The qualifier is that you must be at a Bush rally... oh now look how you start to rationalize that.
At least we aren't as bad as China, ain't that something to be proud of. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5Actually the Fed came into existence pre-FDR, in 1913, although FDR was the first to confescate our gold. Then Nixon finished it off by taking us completely off gold.
- mlarsen, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5"The long-anticipated release of Aaron Russo's film starts in major cities July 28. CBS reviewer, Todd Schwartz called it "The scariest damn film you will see this year. It will leave you staggering out of the theater, slack-jawed and trembling.........." View trailers: http://www.freedomtofascism.com/ It's a perfect election year film."
Isn't CBS the new organization that put up a story about forged documents about someones military service? Yea, I will totally trust anything that CBS says- yea for sure - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -12/+17i dont need a movie to tell me america is getting screwed over. all i need is fox news. now how sad and pathetic is that?
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -9/+14A significant portion of the population WANTS the fascism that this film depicts. Why do so few liberals acknowledge or even understand the fact that there are conservative forces at work that try, every day, to either find ways around the U.S. Constitution or ways to amend it in radical ways because THEY DO NOT AGREE WITH WHAT THE U.S. CONSTITUTION STANDS FOR.
Ok? It's very simple. They don't want to amend a document they believe in to make it "clearer" on certain topics, they want to amend it because they have fundamental disagreements with entire sections of this document. They do not share the secular democratic beliefs of the Framers, or indeed the majority of the U.S. population.
This isn't just a conservative issue, either. Many liberals disagree with sections of the U.S. Constitution as well. "The right to bear arms" is the perfect example. Many (but not all) liberals wish that this section did not exist in the U.S. Constitution, and if they had majority power the way some conservatives think they do, they too would actively try to change the U.S. Constitution because THEY DO NOT AGREE WITH WHAT THE U.S. CONSTITUTION STANDS FOR.
When you guys understand this simple point, and the fact that not everyone loves America the way it was originally founded, you'll understand EVERYTHING that is going on in politics, and why films like this will not help with anything, as the "evils" they depict are the things that people actually WANT. - dannystaple, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5Here's a BBC Storyville coverage on that: http://www.bbc.co.uk/bbcfour/documentaries/storyville/why-we-fight.shtml
And the IMDB link http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0436971/ - jellygraph, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5World Economic Forum
Podcast
A Conversation with William J. Clinton
http://streamstudio.world-television.com/gaia/wef/worldeconomicforum_annualmeeting2006/podcast/17195.mp3 - Roguecop, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6From Wiki
According to Mark Potok, the director of Intelligence Project at the Southern Poverty Law Center, law enforcement officials authorities have foiled 60 domestic terror plots since the Oklahoma City bombing. They were prevented due to measures established by the local and federal government to increase security of high-priority targets and following up on hate groups located within the United States.
Key words: 'domestic' and 'hate groups'
As in Right Wing terrorism.
And the pattern is in the fascism, whether 'islamo- or right wing-' - realitybased, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5I know that you all have all kinds of trouble with domestic and Christian terrorism...What do these things have in common: bombing abortion clinics, bombing federal buildings, KKK lynchings . . .? Hope you get the point.
- solomongrundy0, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6I wonder sometimes if the people who throw about words like 'facist' and 'police state' have ever really suffered through one let alone even ever read about one. Simply I believe these people see them as no more than buzz-words at this point.
Yes our liberty is steadily declining. So what are you doing to really make a difference? What are you doing to inform the masses in a real way rather than scare them into your line of thought?
So many men speak of their beliefs and ideals of freedom and liberty these days. However when it comes time to really defend those things they think purely of their own saftey. Simply stated... If we do not take action today, we will not have the freedoms to make an action tomorrow. (And frankly I think we would not deserve them. If only because we didn't defend ourselves when we had the chance.) - baka-dono, on 10/12/2007, -7/+11I'm not sure why either Valkyries. I think the whole "Digg +" / "Digg -" thing doesn't work on the political side of the Digg house. It's too easy to Digg down someones comment just because you don't agree with it, even if the comment itself is not inflammatory. It makes having a conversation in the comments nearly impossible.
99nine, there is no such thing as pre-fascism.
The irony of the subject description for this Digg is this line: "It's a perfect election year film." Fascism is inherently anti-democratic. If America is a fascist state then this wouldn't be an "election year" or if it was there would only be one party / candidate on the ballot. Now the ballot may be full of lying, scandalous slime-balls, but you do get the choice of which lying, scandalous slime-ball you'd like to see in office. And heck, you don't even have to vote Republican or Democrat, you can vote Libertarian, or Green Party, or heck, even the Pirate Party now.
The fact of the matter is that in this country we have more freedom and opportunity then our forefathers ever dreamed of. Are we perfect? Hell no. The stupid and idiotic drug wars, the fact that gays can't get married if that's the choice they make, or any of the other issues of personal freedom that people on the right and the left want to stamp out means that we have a lot of work to do. But, we have to freedom to have those conversations and those debates, and to push our agendas into the public forum.
If this were a fascist country, and I were to say that I believe that homosexuals should have the freedom and the right to marry, I would expect a knock on my door (or my door being kicked down) and to be dragged off and "reeducated." The fact that none of those things will happen means we don't live in a fascist state. - fancypantscz, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3The Federal Reserve issue is something new to me. And so I am naturally skeptical of the arguments presented in this movie. However, it is clear to me that large corporations hold great power over our federal government. These corporations are legal entities that are mindless and have no moral compass. If consumers and voters continue to neglect their responsibility to educate themselves about the brands and politicians they support, the corporations and government will ride roughshod over their long-term interests ultimately resulting in the destruction of the communities that brought them into existence. We as Americans have a lot to lose. If this movie serves as a wake-up call to the personal responsibility we have to protect our long-term interests as consumers and voters then I strongly support it.
The movie’s call for nonpartisan political action is very refreshing. It is clear in a thread like this that our over-application of the labels, conservative and liberal, are a stumbling block to real communication. - Roguecop, on 10/12/2007, -3/+6Oklahoma City April 19, 1995, Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building. 168 dead including children. Timothy McVeigh, Terry Nichols.
Right Wing Terrorists. Starting to see a similar pattern? - Clp727, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Thanks. You are right. I guess I should google more than I have. :P
- Bioshocker, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4I saw the trailer for this a few weeks ago. In that, the director was chopping together bits of sentences from his interviewees and splicing together different interviewees in ways that were obviously intent on bending the meaning of their words. It was all very Swift Boat Veterans style.
I was pretty unimpressed, so I find it hard to give the full movie any credibility. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -5/+8Didn't Clinton lob bombs at aspirin factories and other civilian areas more than a few times in the Middle East? Didn't he drop bombs on Southern Europe, all in the name of stopping a massacre? Yeah, he was a real nice guy...
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3There is an audio interview with a Robert Pape floating around the net. He is an economist/researcher at University of Chicago. After 9/11, he went out to prove exactly what you say, that Islamic-Fundamentalists want us all dead, and what he discovered was most of the terrorist acts were because we had troops in their countries, or were interfering with their way of life. Pretty interesting interview.
- graystar, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Looking at all the diggs, the stench analogy is getting I better reference it. By Stefan Molyneaux from www.freedomainradio.com
- bitcloud, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2I'm not partisan at all. Now Clinton has left the whitehouse, he too has abandoned his partison ways... For some people parties are a means to an end, and for others the parties are the ends themselves. Clinton belongs to the former.
- pabster, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3Perhaps Dan Rather will provide commentary. Got to add some credibility.
- ChessPoker, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2What I am doing is educating myself so that I can persuade most strangers that I meet that the erosion of liberty is not in their interest. That is the only way to effect change.
- Dissent76, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Here is my rant on the whole thing. I think this has all been said before by Dwight D. Eisenhower, if not has been forewarned by him.
"This conjunction of an immense military establishment and a large arms industry is new in the American experience. The total influence -- economic, political, even spiritual -- is felt in every city, every State house, every office of the Federal government. We recognize the imperative need for this development. Yet we must not fail to comprehend its grave implications. Our toil, resources and livelihood are all involved; so is the very structure of our society.
In the councils of government, we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the militaryindustrial complex. The potential for the disastrous rise of misplaced power exists and will persist.
We must never let the weight of this combination endanger our liberties or democratic processes. We should take nothing for granted. Only an alert and knowledgeable citizenry can compel the proper meshing of the huge industrial and military machinery of defense with our peaceful methods and goals, so that security and liberty may prosper together."
http://coursesa.matrix.msu.edu/~hst306/documents/indust.html
Of course this has already happen, just look at what Henry Ford did. He was no Oskar Schindler.
http://www.corpwatch.org/article.php?id=4368
So, can anyone tell me why Halliberton is in Iraq? Freedom is on the march! It just smells like fascism.
If that is not enough for you you get threatened with arrest for wearing a t-shirt. What about the First Amendment? (Just do a search for arrests at Bush rallies on Google.)
http://www.commondreams.org/headlines04/1015-06.htm
At what point do we say enough is enough?
"We must not confuse dissent with disloyalty. When the loyal opposition dies, I think the soul of America dies with it." and "We cannot defend freedom abroad by deserting it at home."-Edward R. Murrow
Wake up.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1libertyspeak brought up the Robert Pape interview. Here it is: http://blog.lewrockwell.com/lewrw/archives/008710.html
- kylebrothert, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3jellygraph, Cymrubeats, and bitcloud:
Thanks for demonstrating what it looks like when someone has fallen into the partisan trap.
I need to get the three of you in a theater with most of my church's congregation, and de-program you all ASAP. And, if that doen't work.. I'll strap you to a volcano and drop a bomb in it, lol. - hoyaman, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2@kyelbrothert
You wrote: "I need to get the three of you in a theater with most of my church's congregation, and de-program you all ASAP. And, if that doen't work.. I'll strap you to a volcano and drop a bomb in it, lol."
Um, you belong to the Church of Satan? I don't know know too many folks in my congregations who believe in sacrificla offerings or stupid violence. Most Christians, Muslims, and Jews I know believe in forgiveness and redemption...
Here's a look at facism for ya:
"Let us begin with a look at fascism's founder. Born in 1883, the son of a blacksmith, Benito Mussolini had an early manhood marked by street brawls, arrests, jailings, and violent radical political activities. Before World War I Mussolini was a socialist. A brilliant organizer, agitator, and gifted journalist, he became editor of the Socialist Party's official newspaper. Yet many of his comrades suspected him of being less interested in advancing socialism than in advancing himself. Indeed, when the Italian upper class tempted him with recognition, financial support, and the promise of power, he did not hesitate to switch sides.
By the end of World War I, Mussolini, the socialist, who had organized strikes for workers and peasants had become Mussolini, the fascist, who broke strikes on behalf of financiers and landowners. Using the huge sums he recieved from wealthy interests, he projected himself onto the national scene as the acknowledged leader of i fasci di combattimento, a movement composed of black-shirted ex-army officers and sundry toughs who were guided by no clear political doctrine other than a militaristic patriotism and conservative dislike for anything associated with socialism and organized labor. The fascist Blackshirts spent their time attacking trade unionists, socialists, communists, and farm cooperatives."
...
Very similar to Reaganomics.
check it yourself.
http://digg.com/political_opinion/Who_wants_Facism_Who_do_Fascists_serve - bitcloud, on 10/12/2007, -12/+13Bill Clinton, in my belief, really was one of the rare breed of genuine leaders. Someone with the interests of the people at heart, and the conviction, dicipline and selflessness to see it through.
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