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- whiskeymb, on 10/12/2007, -20/+73I don't think many people can miss the irony though of McCain saying we shouldn't point fingers right after he pointed his finger at Clinton.
***** Bush, ***** Chaney, ***** Condi, and now, ***** McCain for being a partisan hack chicken hawk piece of *****. - hawkeye17, on 10/12/2007, -11/+62Clinton--No Bombs/No Plutonium......Bush--nuclear testing/enough material for 8-12 bombs. This happened on Bush's watch...not Clinton's. The Republicans once again refuse to take any responsibility for their failed policies and chose to blame Clinton(who has been out of office for SIX YEARS!). McCain would suck Kim's dong if he thought it would get him votes. Bush doesn't even really have a NK policy and this test is the result(deal with it Bush apologists).
- Artifez, on 10/12/2007, -9/+54I swear Republicans have to check under their bed every night because they're afraid that Clinton is under there. He's their bogeyman of choice. Grow up take responsability for your idiotic policies and your disasterous backing of King George and face the fact that you screwed up and now the piper needs to be paid.
- schlurp, on 10/12/2007, -13/+51McCain disgusts me.
Remember all his fake resistance on the torture bill? - matrox212, on 10/12/2007, -8/+30I guess the shock value of Republicans not practicing what they preach has worn off on me.
- brettmeister, on 10/12/2007, -3/+202000: Rumsfeld is a director of a company which wins $200m contract to sell nuclear reactors to North Korea
2002: Rumsfeld declares North Korea a terrorist state, part of the axis of evil and a target for regime change
http://www.guardian.co.uk/korea/article/0,2763,952289,00.html - kipperBugg, on 10/12/2007, -7/+22McCain it is time for you to go away, you will never never be president, so just go away
- geronimo, on 10/12/2007, -6/+19McCain repulses me. He let Bush and his cronies slam him in the 2000 primaries, referring to him and his adopted child from India as his "love child" he had with a black woman.
McCain then kissed Bush's butt after that. He's weak. - withears, on 10/12/2007, -9/+21Mccain is a turd. An opportunistic, say anything for a vote, turd.
- psbpv3o, on 10/12/2007, -4/+15politics blow....
- zeiben, on 10/12/2007, -3/+14There's a special room in politics hell reserved for spineless sellouts like McCain. He could have guaranteed himself a landslide in 08 by going with his gut, but now... what a chump
- osirisothedead, on 10/12/2007, -3/+14The party of "personal responsibility" blaming someone else for their shortcomings yet again. What a surprise.
- ZenMojo, on 10/12/2007, -3/+14Wow. He was one of the few Republicans I would have voted for, now he's thinking of going for president and toting the party line like a little bitch.
Barbrady's absolutely right. I was supportive of McCain, until he repeatedly took the wrong side, and now I'm not. That's what makes me an educated voter. - PantsB, on 10/12/2007, -5/+16Simply untrue. For one, the development began under Bush I. It halted under Clinton. There are some reports that they may have been attempting to make uranium bombs in the meanwhile, but that is unconfirmed and irrelevent since these bombs were not related to that program.
- jellygraph, on 10/12/2007, -3/+14Sorry, but this is nothing but Bush's fault. Bill Clinton's administration were positively trying to engage North Korea through diplomacy to join the world. They had many plans they were negotiating with the NK's... that was, until Bush stepped into office and, just like Clarke, decided to discard anything Clinton. And thus they created their own demons: 9/11 and a nuclear North Korea.
You ought to think, after so many repeated failures and nothing but failures during his presidency, Bush is actively trying to screw things up... it doesn't make sense otherwise. And why anyone still supports him (and theres a minority who do), is completely beyond me.
But it looks like McCain is trying to adopt the neocon method of the politics of contradictions. "Let's not point fingers... but, oh, its Clintons fault". Wow, after that, I don't think anyone would ever be able to vote for him. I hope that Clinton stands up to that idiot and teabags him. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -2/+12@wintermd:
NK didnt break the agreement until bush came into office
there was a slight russle when we were late with those light water reactors promissed.
But he didnt withdrawl fromt he agreement really until bush labeled him part of the axis of evil, so kim jung broke the un seals on the spent fuel clinton had atleast gottenhim to lock up and have inspected, and started to refine it into bombs..
I dont think clinton was perfect, didnt really like him as president, but he sure seeems like the best president ever next to bush.
I didnt like clintons all carrot policie, but it was sure better than bush's all stick one.
I dont care how nice the dog is, you beat it long enough with a stick and it will bite you. - rokinroj, on 10/12/2007, -3/+12Partisan politics will be the end of this country if it hasn't been already.
- toasty168, on 10/12/2007, -9/+17I used to think McCain was alright. Apparently, he got a deal he couldn't refuse.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -6/+14when your policies are this bad, you need a boogieman to deflect the criticisms.
The buck stops here except when it was my predecessors fault. - evgen, on 10/12/2007, -4/+12I am not sure what the republican trolls are smoking, but it is kind of stupid to post claims that are so easily disproven by available online sources. The North Koreans most likely got their fissile material from their Yongbyon reactor, which came online in January of 1986 (that would be on Reagan's watch...) and was developed with help from Russia & China. If they received any fissile material from outside sources it would most likely have been from the Khan networkin Pakistan, but while these people were undoubtably the source of information and expertise in enrichment and bomb design it does not seem likely that they passed along any uranium or plutonium.
Does the LGF-brigade just make ***** up as they go along to muddy the waters or because they think everyone else is as stupid as they are? - heysuburbia, on 10/12/2007, -5/+12@ appleann1 and origclubsoda
>> Mc Cain's remarks were in response to Hillary Clinton
Yes, they were.
The big difference is that Hillary DIDN'T say "I think this is the wrong time for us to be engaging in finger pointing" then point the finger at Bush. She straight up pointed the finger at Bush, where as McCain says one thing and does another.
McCain is a walking contradiction - sherab, on 10/12/2007, -4/+10Here's the absolute pisser, after Clinton and company went through and negotiated with N Korea, it was the new incoming Republican majority congress (led by Newt Gingrich) that decided not to follow through.
Republicans are quite possibly the LAST people on earth qualified to finger point.
They control all three branches and they screwed up the country. Who else can they possibly blame?
Oh wait... here's your standard Republican argument...
"B-b-b-b-b-b but CLINTON!" - eexlebots, on 10/12/2007, -4/+11I used to really dig McCain but the past couple of years have seen a serious downgrade in my opinion on the man. Sure, he's playing politics but...what I liked about him was how he seemed to not play politics, or if he did he at least seemed to stand up for what he believed. Now I am not sure if I was just fooling myself...
- withears, on 10/12/2007, -3/+9Democrats don't love McCain. We see him as the opportunist that he is.
republicans are funny though, thinking that we see him differently. Odd.
I'm glad he's on your side and not ours. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -5/+11I dont think there has been anyone in history say "now isnt the time for finger pointing" if they didnt have any fingers pointed in their direction.
I think it is always a good time for finger pointing, if we dont find out what happen, then we are doomed to go through this crap again. - dancpsu, on 10/12/2007, -3/+8Should we be pointing fingers about Iraq, Foley, oil prices, job creation, broken levies, or WMD Intelligence, or is that all in the past too?
- tpaine, on 10/12/2007, -3/+7I liked McCain until he backed down in 2004 after the infamous "swift boat veterans for truth" abomination. I used to think he was a decent man who stood by his principles.
Not to mention that fact that I like any politician until I disagree with them, whether they be republican, democrat, green or libertarian. That's the whole point of voting. If everyone simply voted party line we would be in a very sad state indeed.
oh wait, the nation has been divided down party lines since Iraq and we find ourselves in a sad state. Hopefully the people who disagree with the current administration will not vote for them yet again. - cmhanck, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6I couldn't agree more. Who gives a ***** who's fault something was in the past. That changes nothing that is happening NOW. We should not be pointing fingers at each other. We need a party that gives a ***** about the American people, as opposed to one that supports whatever special interest is lining their pockets.
- monkeyrun, on 10/12/2007, -4/+9and Bush helps enforcing the agreement by
1) calling NK the axis of evil ..
2) and keep selling them Nuclear Weapon Equipment.
lol .. what a great move ... - Thuktun, on 10/12/2007, -3/+7Yep, and if you look at the stats on that link, it really does look like Bush's fault. Under Clinton and Bush I, there was hardly any usable material in NK. Under Bush II's belligerent foreign policy, it has ballooned.
- geekee, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4"Even if they tried to be diplomatic with NK and NK lied to us we wouldn't be in a worse place than we are in now."
NK wants one thing, money. They got it from CLinton and now they're pissed of the Bush admin is not doing the same. That's why they want bilateral talks with the US, to extort more money. - geometry, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5"Tag your it. No tag backs." Sounds pretty childish to me.
- Yage2006, on 10/12/2007, -3/+6Maybe blame the people who sold the tech to them ?
Oh that's right its GWB's friends
So it would be unpatriotic to do so. - moechi82, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5It seems that the strife and discord between the Republicans and the Dems is exacerbating by the minute, and more so than ever before. I personally think that McCain is using semantics and building on verbal attacks against the Democrats to further his own agenda and his own partiality for the GOP, and more specifically, for Bush.
Unfortunately, American politics has been reduced to finding scapegoats and shirking responsibility. - fatfinger, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Obviously has a "young adult" you have not learned the lesson that history repeats itself and what's going on in office and the effect it's having around the world is Criminal (just like WW2).
You can not know the future unless you take with you lessons from the past. - autodata, on 10/12/2007, -4/+7Clinton didn't give them "Nuke material." That's patently false.
- HIPAA_Notic, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4McCain's double talk is troubling, but at least he indirectly took responsibility for situation in N. Korea but saying that he was "heavily involved" in the Clinton administration policies at the time.
"McCain, 10/10/06, Hannity & Colmes:
The fact is that it is a failure of the Clinton administration policies that I was heavily involved in at the time that have caused us to be in the situation we’re in today."
This is little consulation, but it is an election year.
Again, I am disappointed with McCain. I had high hopes for him, but he continues to try and be everything to everybody. (speaking at Falwell's University despite criticising Falwell, giving Bush carte blanche to define what is considered torture, pointing fingers one day and tell others not to the next, etc .)
I wish he would be intellectually honest and consistent. Is that too much to ask for from our politicians? - Klesh, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3"But then that's about all the Dem's are about these days---using anything they can to score cheap political points. They have become an unserious party."
Actually BOTH parties are like this. I am tired of hearing how 'this is going to effect this party this way, or that way'. I say we need more moderation and independents in office.
"Why does anyone care about the Clinton Legacy? Quit wasting our time."
I agree. As a young adult, I and many other people of my age are going to have to deal with this. We need to stop looking into the past and focus on our future, because at this rate we will not get anywhere. - monkeyrun, on 10/12/2007, -4/+6I used to think McCain's better than the rest.
nonetheless it's a good strategy ...
1) You finger point
2) Tell everyone Finger pointing is bad
3) "..."
4) Profit. - indiggent, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Partisan politics will be the end of this country if it hasn't been already.
First truly intelligent thought I have read on Digg today. - origclubsoda, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3How on earth are you qualified to correct a man who's been on the inside of the issue for the last15 years!?
- fredrated, on 10/12/2007, -3/+4@indiggent
What brilliant discourse, you are a genius, oh wait, you stole it from the post above, what an ass. - origclubsoda, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Why is it the US's exclusive responsibility to stop NK from having nukes!? NK is the one rejecting the UN and international community and _demanding_ the US literally pay them off not to develop nukes.
- origclubsoda, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2The US is just as strong as ever. If you didn't notice the world expects the US to fix this. If we were burying ourselves we would be as forgotten as Canada or France. People may be upset with the US but that's because we are taking action. Take a count. Since 9/11 there have been zero terrorist attacks at home or abroad targeting US specifically. That's less than any 5 year period in Clinton's term. Everyone hates change. If they are hating it, its because we're are changing it. Meanwhile Russia, France, Germany keep facilitating these middle east nations and their goal to achieve WMDs. Yet none of these countries are called upon to fix international issues. We'll be buried when other nations quit knocking on our door asking for help and assistance.
- garyh84, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3Agreed 100%.
- Cylus, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3You know what? I hear that. Let's bring on some new parties - the differences between the current two are borderline irrelevant on a practical level. I want to see more depth to the political debate. I want a real arena of ideas.
As it is, politics is like sports. You cheer for your team and boo the other, but they're almost functionally identical. Bleagh.
Oh, and McCain is a nutbar. He's the right-wing equivalent of Howard Dean - a wannabe maverick. - polyGone, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2@TheEditor0
This is the political opinion catagory. How dare they post where their supposed to!!! - Koosebane, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2"Americans said no to the world when it came to Iraq war"
Which world would that be?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coalition_Forces
The only major countries who said "no" to invading Iraq had their hands firmly in Saddam's pockets.
Take your faulty fantasies somewhere else where they won't be shot down so badly. - bs101, on 10/12/2007, -3/+4You know what gets me about you damn libs, no matter what Bush does it is wrong with you people. If he would have went over there and sweet talked NK himself and got them to give up on the Nuke program and even convinced Kim Jong-il personally to step down you would have something to bitch about. He would have done this or that wrong. I have seen libs blame Bush for Global Warming and it has been going on for decades.
I don't agree with what is going on in Iraq. I personally think it has turned into another political war like Veitnam and I think someday it will come out that politicians were pulling the strings again. It might even be Iraqi politicians, but to blame everything that is going wrong on President Bush is ignorent.
- foolfromhell, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1@geronimo
That child is bangladeshi. -
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