What is Digg?78 Comments
- p9s50W5k4GUD2c6, on 10/12/2007, -1/+22This photo will go down as a story of the year.
I remember first looking at that photo a few days ago and thinking - good God, what are these little ones doing any where near artillery shells? What were their parents thinking - war or not?
As complex as the events are on that side of the planet, it is hard to judge (and not altogether desirable either).
Nonetheless, I can say that war is something I would want to shield children from, not thrust them onto its center stage. But I am glad for the story behind an image that speaks less about kids and more about adults. - Piper7865, on 10/12/2007, -5/+17That was a horrible decision by the parents to let the kids doodle on Artillery shells.... That's the kind of ***** that has to stop on both sides ... on the other side like the article said they have kids playing with toy "suicide belts" it's pretty much the same idea .. encourage children to participate in Nationalistic purposes .. that's pretty much brainwashing I think
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -3/+14@kevin.gc
I wouldn't be surprised if you hadn't RTFA. It states who the photographer is. - JKVM, on 10/12/2007, -5/+14Please read the article before you comment on it. This is a good article: "...reality is always more complicated (and infinitely more interesting) than propaganda..."
- nofxjunkee, on 10/12/2007, -4/+12They're cooped up for days, emotional and frustrated, so they write "From Israel" all over some shells which they know are going to inflict the same kind of anguish on other civilians. Right, great excuse. These parents should be horrified of the thought that these shells are going to kill children much like their own.
- theoallardyce, on 10/12/2007, -4/+11This changes absolutely nothing. The Israeli military allowed civilians and even worse children to stand not only right next to a legitimate military target, but a row of live artillery rounds, and as if that wasn't enough they let the kids touch and write on them! This is exactly the same as when Hamas lets little kids stand next to soldiers laying mines and waving AK-47s around.
- Osjpr, on 10/12/2007, -2/+9This blog piece isn't that neutral or credible even, for example the following reasons.
The source for the "Full Story" linked in the article (lisa) originally lied about the creation of the photograph, saying the photographers encouraged and cheered them on. Most of the blog is the shadow of that lie or desire to believe it was someone else's fault. For example, in the paragraph beginning with a premise, "The photograpers gathered around. Twelve of them. Do you know how many that is? It's a lot." And ending with the speculation, "I guess those kids must have felt like stars,.."
Two Israeli photographers were interviewed about this photograph, both gave different stories. Lisa is also an Israeli as well, who changed their story (as stated earlier): http://adloyada.typepad.com/adloyada/2006/07/how_to_demonize.html#comment-19917931
At it's essence, without any commentary or blog, the photograph shows Israeli children writing or drawing national Israeli flags on a row of tank/artillery shells. This is not even showing that the parents encouraged the children. - Piper7865, on 10/12/2007, -2/+9they probably weren't fused yet so weren't very dangerous .. that's an Israeli soldier in the background because they were using those to shell Lebanon with.
- Bioshocker, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8"The sheet-heads and the heebs are WAY more closely related than most of them probably realize."
Given that Protestants and Catholics, and Shiites and Sunnis have never had a problem killing each other, it seems pretty clear that religious people don't mind how similar their beliefs are. Even the slightest difference seems to be an impassable gulf to too many people. - cmiz, on 10/12/2007, -3/+9I think that people are forgetting a huge part of this story. These kids live in a warzone! If this is the worst thing that happens to them this year, they should consider themselves very lucky. Should they be signing shells before they get launched at another country? Well no, but they shouldn't be living in an area where a shell could kill them and their family in a heartbeat.
I don't want to take sides and start a flame war, but I'm 100% sure this type of thing happens on both sides. The fact that people are more worried about this crap than that a lot of innocent people are dying on both sides is very disturbing. - script, on 10/12/2007, -7/+12If you are American and are confused by these images don't be alarmed! The Israel PR agencies will help you to understand how this is actually only Israel exercising its right to self-defence.
- Bhima, on 10/12/2007, -3/+8What sickens me is this ***** propaganda you are spouting here. Israeli children write on artillery shells & Palestinian children play with mock suicide belts because these are weapons available to their parents. The one thing you are correct about is that Arab children are taught to hate (although you fail to mention that Israeli children are taught they are superior)... I was in Israel a few years ago and I actually witnessed a little of this teaching. Arabs children learn to hate Israelis directly from the Palestinians who have been mistreated by Israelis; it is a very real and direct link and not some nebulous thing what describe. The teenage boy who's eye socket was shattered by the butt of Israeli rifle; the women who lost the child she gave birth in an ambulance stuck at an Israeli check point; The old man whose orchard was destroyed by Israeli bulldozers; this list is an endless list... and it a list in large part is created by Israelis.
Your assertion that the "whole world hates Jews" is as in accurate as the rest of your rant... the world hates everyone that is not them, they always have and always will. The idea that the Jews have somehow cornered the market on people hating them is ludicrous. You could say that around the world Jews are hated more than (pick some one... say the Canadians) and I would hazard a guess that the reasons Jews are hated more than Canadians is that the Canadians haven't been running an apartheid occupation for 40 years.
Your assertion that Jews are not welcome anywhere in the world and that all you have in Israeli is probably the most inaccurate thing you've said and it goes directly against my own personal experience... over the past 30 years I have lived in 5 countries on three continents; the city I live in now was known to be the center of Nazism in Austria during the 2nd great war. I have never seen a wide scale hatred of Jewish or Israeli people here. I have never seen a defaced synagogue or read about hate crimes against Jews happening in the towns I live in. Sure there is crime perpetrated against Jews all over the world but it's no more than what is done to the blacks, or the Muslims, or whoever.
Personally I don't agree with what Israel is doing now because I don't believe bombing Lebanon back to stone age will eliminate Hezbollah or prevent rocket attacks or prevent incursions in to Israel proper. The fact that it's clear to me it won't work, it must also follow that the Israeli government and military also realizes it will not work... therefore it can not be their true goal.
The misery the Jews, the Muslims, and the Christians have brought into this world is astounding and they never see their own complicity in it. - akashra, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Wow. Forget taking sides for a moment, I don't know how to describe those photos, but they are certainly the kind of photos a journalist only comes across the chance to get once in a lifetime. Impecable timing.
- fireblazr, on 10/12/2007, -11/+14It just sickens me the amount of hate against the Israeli people I am reading over and over. If you honestly think an Israeli girl signing something on an artillery shell is equal to or worse than little Arab kids wearing mock suicide belts, holding rifles, and speaking about how Jews are animals, they are pigs and they should all be dead ALLAH ALLAH ALLAH!!!... if you really think like that, then there is no more hope in this sick sad world.
I am Israeli, and Jewish, and in my entire life, the worst i have ever heard against Arabs is just frustration on the Israeli side... like when will they get their heads out of their asses, and so on. There is no RACIST/HATE TV in Israel, in the synagogues there are no hate speeches against the Arabs... There is a huge difference in culture. The Israelis are not raised to hate, they are being conditioned to react and respond like those little girls. Arabs are raised learning about how Jews are pigs, how Israel is occupied land and so on, without any light to help bring the cause for peace. Israel is here to stay, get over it and move on. everyone seems to forget how many Jews were expelled from Arab countries. The whole world hates Jews, and if we are not welcome anywhere, all we have is Israel, and even that small piece of land, we are still not welcome. So none of you have any clue what its like. oh and the Palestinians are just pawns... the Arab world could care less about them. And you would be surprised how many Arab nations are happy that Israel is doing this, they don't have the strength to eliminate Hezbollah and hamas, they are just proxy weapons against Israel but if too strong, they affect the Arab nations and their leaders as well. So on TV its "ISRAEL is EVIL" but behind the scenes, the Lebanese politicians are happy that this terror organization is going to be taken care of.
I will just end this now... because I know the responses already... I will not respond to any comments related to mine because it will never end and from the looks of it, most of you are very close minded. If you think I am, well... at this point yea I probably am because the Arab don't do anything to bring peace, life is more rewarding killing Jews than ending war and murder. - raid517, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4Mmm... And like the reply isn't likely to be just as much propaganda as anything.
Unless the original photographer actually says on the record what the context of these images really are, it's pretty hard to believe anything. - nimski, on 10/12/2007, -5/+8The same PR agency pumping out the same "Arabs dancing in the streets" photo every time some Westerner dies.
- hackwrench, on 10/12/2007, -14/+17These bombs may mean that the kids don't have to spend their time in a bomb shelter. Is it that unreasonable for the kids to be up close with the agent of their liberation?
- Osjpr, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4"let the kids doodle on Artillery shells."
They aren't doodling. They are drawing Israeli national flags. Doodling is drawing a picture of mommy or daddy or scribbling inconsequential objects. - Bioshocker, on 10/12/2007, -4/+7"Marines, ARMY and especially the Air Force do it all the time"
You consider it acceptable to compare the behaviour of soldiers - trained killers - and children, in this context? The whole reason it is objectionable is because of the suggestion that it is training the children to also become killers. - overksam, on 10/12/2007, -12/+14"How about, what was the photographer thinking?"
.. ka-ching? - DrGonzo1184, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4I doubt the photographer had any say at all. He is just an outside observer.;
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Even after reading the article and its explanation, children should not be allowed near things that have the potential to kill a large amount of people. Not for their own safety but because it really does teach them to kill. It is not the same as when Arabs teach their children how to fire rifles, and make them wear suicide bells but those images are still shocking. Signing shells like that is giving the kids a message, no matter what anyone argues. Going to a military base to see weapons because you like technology is a different matter.
I totally support Israel in its war against Hezbollah but I do not support children playing with weapons like this. - cgoff, on 10/12/2007, -5/+7I don't understand the fuss? I wouldn't let my kids near the artillery however if it wasn't safe the soldiers wouldn't have allowed them near the munitions. Just personal parenting preference is all.
As far as writing on the munitions: Marines, ARMY and especially the Air Force do it all the time, not just Israel (heck they probably got the idea from us). - piznut, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Why did this get dug down?
I would like to hear some reasoned debate about why Israel should not retaliate?
This is my opinion and please feel free to provide facts if you don't agree but it seems to me that Israel has been f#$cked with nonstop ever since the state was established by those who disagree with the existance and establishment of Israel.
To say that Israel should not retaliate is tantamount, in my mind, to agreeing with those who say that Israel has no right to exist.
To me, Israel seems like a younger sibling who is continually pestered be his older brother. He tries to ignore it, then reason with it but the pestering continues. Eventually he just gets fed up and give his older sibling a bloody nose.
Is it an emotionally charged response? Yeah..it probably is...but you can only take so much. - Mordechai, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2"The Israeli military allowed civilians and even worse children to stand not only right next to a legitimate military target,..."
In a sad and twisted way, they were probably safer being at a "legitimate military target." Hezbollah primarily shells civilian targets instead of military ones, which makes sense if you coincide that their rockets are designed for terror. The rockets are very inaccurate and loaded with ballbearings to do more damage to flesh. - Wooism, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2I am so sick of people posting BLOG RAMBLINGS from NOBODY'S as if it's news, and as if there is any credibility behind it whatsoever.
- Bobski, on 10/12/2007, -4/+6@Piper7865
They were shelling Lebanon with Israeli soldiers? - Bioshocker, on 10/12/2007, -5/+7"not to mention racist"
Technically, it isn't racist, because he isn't criticising a race (the Jews), he is criticizing a country of people (the people of Israel). The correct term is xenophobic. - designer, on 10/12/2007, -15/+17These girls have been dealing with bombings their whole life. This is not a big deal. The real shocking photos are the 3 year old Palestine kids dressed as suicide bombers.
- DrGonzo1184, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4@cmiz
You are 100% right. People need to realize you can not judge another culture in the context of ones own. - globalhead, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3Yeah, what does giving Marines Barby Dolls have to do with it?
- olokun, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Huh? I'm not seeing what the significance of this article is. How does any of it change what was presented in the photo?
- unklefudd, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2It's nasty no matter what.
I saw airmen doing the same ***** with 500lbs guided munitions during Papa Bush's Gulf War. Cute little phrases like "Burn in Hell Camel Jockey".
Sick and evil. - pickypg, on 10/12/2007, -7/+8So we're so afraid about kids writing messages on shells made to not detonate except when they are supposed too... and not upset about kids saying how they want to kill Jews, with the guns in their hands to do it?
Buried Digg story: http://digg.com/videos_educational/Disturbing_video_of_Palestinian_Toddlers_I_want_to_kill_the_Jews
I guess it's fine for them though, after all, that's why this story was buried. It's not like you can say the reporter gave that kid the rifle. - psients, on 10/12/2007, -7/+8Everybody hates war, but fireblazr is damn right.
Teaching your children to kill themselves is VERY different from drawings on shells. - Xageroth, on 10/12/2007, -7/+8"Is it that unreasonable for the kids to be up close with the agent of their liberation?"
I doubt the children on the other side of their "agent of liberation" would see anything reasonable about it. - psients, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3There's an "Arab blogosphere?"
- hackwrench, on 10/12/2007, -3/+4"The Israeli military allowed civilians and even worse children to stand not only right next to a legitimate military target"
Finally, a good reason why the kids in this instance should not have been doing what they were doing. - pickypg, on 10/12/2007, -4/+4Well, it's not really cheating on your wife when she agrees with you doing it, but that's just nitpicking.
- hackwrench, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1Yeah, well I don't think dead people have a tendency to see anything reasonable about anything... but then that's assuming that children get hit with the bomb. Things change when you're on the other side of a conflict, no matter what age you are.
- arrakis, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1@Bioshocker
Usually the biggest difference is the name. - Jokisageek, on 10/12/2007, -2/+2It depends of the compression...
- Bioshocker, on 10/12/2007, -5/+5"There was not a single person on the streets and all the businesses were closed. The residents who had friends, family or money for alternate housing out of missile range had left, leaving behind the few who had neither the funds nor connections that would allow them to escape the missiles crashing and booming on their town day and night. The noise was terrifying, people were dying outside, the kids were scared out of their minds and they had been told over and over that some man named Nasrallah was responsible for their having to cower underground for days on end."
...
"Goldman puts it best when she says, "I wonder why it is so difficult to ... get it into our heads that television news and photojournalism manipulate our thoughts and emotions." "
Look at the quote from her article. Then look at what she says about TV news. What exactly is Goldman doing if not attempting to manipulate my thoughts and emotions on the issue? Pot meet kettle, etc. - zellis, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1"just letting off a little steam"...
As long as there are people anywhere who consider anger and hate like that expressed by these kids a justifiable response to anger and hate, then there is never going to be any peace, ever.
Call Israeli actions a fair reaction to Hezbollah's kidnapping if you like, but these kids aren't being taught fairness: they're being taught vengeance. - DiggerAmigaOS, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1"Hate is taught, love is innate.."
Don't think so. The way of the children is the jungle way. Children are perfectly capable of doing evil just as they can do good. They can hate and they can love. If a kid hits and humiliates every day another kid do you think that the latter wont hate the former?
Saying that these kids were writting hate messages to kids of the other side is plain propaganda. Sad story though anyway. - diggerd, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Sharpie's work better... or paint pens
DAMHIK
8^) - Jessehk, on 10/12/2007, -3/+3An excellent article providing an un-biased look at the situation.
The first time I've dugg a political article. - qrswave, on 10/12/2007, -2/+2You're damn right it speaks about adults - specifically Zionist ones.
http://wakeupfromyourslumber.blogspot.com/2006/07/about-those-little-girls-signing-bombs.html
It speaks VOLUMES. Nice try, though. - D3koy, on 10/12/2007, -12/+12how on earth does giving a marine a barbie doll relate to this? you sir are an idiot
- benjpw, on 10/12/2007, -2/+2Hate is wrong on all sides - but 100 lebeanese kids dead by Israeli bombs is just as bad as 1 Israeli kid dead by terrorist bombs.
-
Show 51 - 77 of 77 discussions
The Digg Toolbar for Firefox lets you Digg, submit content, and keep track of Digg even when you're not on the Digg site. Download the official 
© Digg Inc. 2009
— Content created and posted by Digg users is