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- RuffRidr, on 05/13/2008, -1/+11I'll help you out then. According to the British Home Office and reported by BBC news, as of 2001 street robberies were up 28%, violent crime was up 11%, murders were up 4%, and rapes were up 14%. It is true that there are many factors at play here, and you can't say this is entirely because of the ban on guns. However, one only need to look at similar bans and statistics in Australia and several American cities where guns are also banned to see a striking correlation. I can provide those statistics too if you like.
- inactive, on 05/13/2008, -1/+10Not trying to beat a dead horse, but gun laws only affect people that obey the law.
- RuffRidr, on 05/13/2008, -2/+10This seems to be a recurring theme. I came across a video segment from Britain the other day about two robbers who broke into a man's house. The man shot them both and one of them died. Now the man is going to prison for life and the surviving robber spent only 13 months in prison and is now suing the man. The robber who died had something like 18 previous convictions, while the robber who survived had 32!!! What the hell kind of justice system is this where criminals can repeatedly abuse the public and then are protected when the public takes matters into their own hands. This is the exact path we are heading towards in America if we don't take a stand. No more worthless gun laws that do nothing but embolden the criminals. Enforce the laws we already have and enforce prison terms when criminals are caught.
- RuffRidr, on 05/13/2008, -1/+9MadkennyP, are you misrepresenting the facts on purpose? It is illegal for anyone to sell guns to convicted criminals, gunshow or not. And give it a rest with the "assault rifles with armor-piercing bullets" rhetoric. Common guns and ammunition used in hunting are every bit as effective against bulletproof vests. Language like that is typically used by gun grabbers as a means of instilling Fear, Uncertainty, and Doubt into the general public.
- inactive, on 05/13/2008, -2/+9It is against the law for any person convicted of a felony to own ANY type of firearm. So much for "GUN LAWS". My point was, if two thugs with knives accosted you, would you rather have a carry permit, or a knife just like theirs?
- DreadPirate, on 05/13/2008, -2/+9And Australia, with many of the same gun laws as Britain, has seen a ZERO decrease in the rate of gun violence since the laws were passed.
- inactive, on 05/13/2008, -0/+12So it's okay for criminals to use knives, or baseball bats, or pipes to kill you, and it's okay for you to defend yourself with the same instruments. Just not guns. Wow. That makes perfect sense.
- inactive, on 05/13/2008, -3/+16So, what other constitutional rights are you willing to give up? That is not meant to be a smart ass question. I'm serious.
- RuffRidr, on 05/13/2008, -2/+8MadKennyP,
Easy question for you, has the violent crime rate went up or down in Britain since the gun laws were passed? And if the violent crime rates go up, then how does reducing the amount of guns make you safer as a society? - Dimensio, on 05/13/2008, -0/+5Do you have any commentary that is actually relevant to the linked article?
- inactive, on 05/13/2008, -2/+7Killing an unborn child isn't mentioned either, yet people kill their unborn children every day.
- inactive, on 05/13/2008, -1/+5BigBen should get an award for dumbest comment. If we got smart with him, how would he know?
- inactive, on 05/13/2008, -1/+4I clarified my point. You're lost.
- ashfish, on 05/17/2008, -0/+2Wow, that's a judicial system that really works for the people. Please, lets give ourselves more laws to enforce so they can be sweapt under the rug like the rest of them.
- inactive, on 05/13/2008, -2/+3You go ahead and give it Ben, but you don't know me. I'm not a bad man, but the bad don't mess with me. Be careful here. I'll go a lot further than you think. I don't take threats lightly.
- Stevanoski, on 05/13/2008, -3/+44wheel = 6 MadKennedyP = 0
- BigBenKlingon, on 05/14/2008, -1/+2Who's threatening you? You must have me confused with some scary Muslim!!
Bring it tough guy. I'll hand you your ass and make you my bitch for a couple days. - MadKennyP, on 05/13/2008, -5/+3I guess you CANNOT show me where I stated anything like "it's okay for criminals to use knives, or baseball bats, or pipes to kill you"? You just made that up?
I suggest you give up on your straw man arguments, you're losing. - MadKennyP, on 05/13/2008, -7/+3None. The Second Amendment has never been found to be an individual right. If it is (and it certainly may be this summer by the Supreme Court), I will defend it as such.
The 1939 case U.S. v. Miller is the only modern case in which the Supreme Court has addressed this issue. A unanimous Court ruled that the Second Amendment must be interpreted as intending to guarantee the states' rights to maintain and train a militia. "In the absence of any evidence tending to show that possession or use of a shotgun having a barrel of less than 18 inches in length at this time has some reasonable relationship to the preservation or efficiency of a well-regulated militia, we cannot say that the Second Amendment guarantees the right to keep and bear such an instrument," the Court said.
As I said, this may change this summer. If so, I will defend it as an individual right. - MadKennyP, on 05/13/2008, -6/+2Please point out where I said anything like that statement.
Here's one for you "It's OK to sell assault rifles and armor-piercing bullets to convicted criminals at gun shows and enable them to easily gun down groups of innocent people." Wow, that makes perfect sense. This is fun! - MadKennyP, on 05/13/2008, -7/+4I don't know the statistics and don't have time to find them for you. Of course, violent crime rates are dependant upon many factors and not simply on gun laws. Violent crimes are a broad category.
- MadKennyP, on 05/13/2008, -9/+6Britain has enacted laws that make it illegal for private citizens to own anything larger than a .22-caliber and subject them to thorough background checks. "I feel very safe," said Marion Collins, a college lecturer in Edinburgh. "Virginia Tech happened because guns are so accessible in America. I don't understand why they continue to allow this situation." Britain has one of the world's lowest gun homicide rates - 0.04 slayings per 100,000 people, according to the Geneva-based Small Arms Survey for 2004. By contrast, the United States has a rate roughly 100 times higher: 3.42 gun murders per 100,000 people, the survey said.
http://www.ocala.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20 ... - BigBenKlingon, on 05/13/2008, -7/+1Yeah, you'd have to dust off yours and polish it up for me....ready for my address?
- BigBenKlingon, on 05/13/2008, -7/+1Right. At least let them grow old enough to send to Iraq so they can get killed there!
- MadKennyP, on 05/13/2008, -8/+4YOU GOT THAT BACKWARDS.
The deadliest known gun shooting didn't occur at Virginia Tech in Blacksburg, Va., but on April 28, 1996, when Martin Bryant killed 35 people at a popular tourist spot in Tasmania, Australia. The United States could learn from Australia's response to that tragedy. Australian Prime Minister John Howard, an anti-gun control conservative, switched his views. The government banned handguns, and established a buy-back program that removed hundreds of thousands of guns from circulation. Gun violence in Australia DROPPED SIGNIFICANTLY (as did gun-inflicted suicides). http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/ch ...


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