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- populist, on 11/08/2007, -7/+90"It does not require a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority keen to set brush fires in people's minds."
--Samuel Adams - wreckosaurus, on 11/08/2007, -5/+74America, it was nice while it lasted.
- populist, on 11/08/2007, -3/+55Actually - it's a little different. The Constitution doesn't apply to citizens. It doesn't apply to foreigners.
It doesn't apply to people at all!
It applies to the federal government.
The Constitution says what the government CAN do, and the Bill of Rights says what it cannot.
There's nothing in there that authorizes them to spy, monitor, or anything of the like - and the fourth amendment is quite clear on requiring warrants.
Without a warrant, any "wiretapping" spying, monitoring, or anything else they want to call it - is in direct violation to the Constitution.
period. - g4blows, on 11/08/2007, -1/+47Pretty soon we are going to see the "This act is good" act
- inactive, on 10/10/2007, -2/+454th Amendment - The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized. - this was in the article.
- mc88, on 10/10/2007, -1/+29If you don't think the government will use it's power to control Americans through fear, well I just don't know what planet you're living on. With a Democratic majority and a Republican administration, these laws are passed with lightning speed. I can count the members of congress I think are actually honest and trustworthy on one hand, how about you? How much longer are we going to let them feed us this "you need to be afraid, unless you give total control over to the government" *****!
Absolute power corrupts absolutely. It's not a ***** cliche, it's the ABSOLUTE TRUTH. - Alright, on 10/10/2007, -2/+26How do I stop it?
- inactive, on 10/10/2007, -0/+23Next up, the "Protect the Liberty of America from Islamic Evil Doers and Terror Sponsor Vocal Critic Anti-Patriot Assailant Consolidation of Authority for your Protection Act". And any Senator or House representative who does not vote for this Act is a Heretic endangering your first born sons lives and your daughters virginity. We have the media on stand by to list their names.
- speccy, on 10/10/2007, -0/+21As a Brit, I have watched your great country lose more and more of it's freedoms under the tyrant called Bush. For your sake, and the rest of the so-called free world, please put a stop to this now, before it becomes too late.
Britain is sleepwalking into a surveillance society. We have an incredible amount of CCTV cameras. We also have draconian laws, such as the Terrorism Act (much like your Patriot Act). All major parties support this, despite it's huge flaws.
Oh, why do I bother? Ignore me.
*drinks more wine*
Cheers everyone! - inactive, on 10/10/2007, -0/+21Actually I can call whomever I damm well please. I don't need a permission slip from mommy.
- inactive, on 11/08/2007, -3/+23It's amazing how many people slept through Civics class isn't it?
- relaxeder, on 04/17/2009, -0/+17So... let's hear you actually defend it in your own words then.
- k3ano, on 10/10/2007, -0/+16The 4th Amendment seems to nail this Act down as unconstitutional pretty well. What measures are in place to stop this from happening? I thought it would be impossible to pass something so blatantly unconstitutional through the congress.
- FRANKeB, on 10/10/2007, -1/+17Don't know the chap personally, but he makes an awful lot of beer.
- AndrewJC, on 10/10/2007, -0/+16I'm perfectly free to speak to whomever I want for whatever reason. There are certain things I'm not allowed to say (government secrets, for example), but I want you to tell me how I'm doing anything unlawful by calling a person (overseas, domestically, it doesn't matter) and saying "Hey, what's up."
The biggest problem with the way Homeland Security operates is that it goes on the assumption that you MUST be doing something wrong and therefore they need to find out what it is. - 40hands, on 10/10/2007, -0/+15Yeah we are the blind ones. Have you even read any part of the constitution? My guess is that your just a douche.
- hydroplane, on 10/10/2007, -2/+17Oceania has always been at war with Eurasia...
- inactive, on 10/10/2007, -0/+14The article specified why it is unconstitutional and I even posted the relevant amendment in earlier post. Please feel free to show us where we are incorrect.
- iceschade, on 10/10/2007, -1/+15War is Peace. Freedom is Slavery. Ignorance is Strength.
Times 1994 Cheney malquoted iraq quagmire rectify.
Times 09.20.07 times malquoted war ungood rectify.
America is at war with the Middle East. America has always been at war with the Middle East.
Big Brother is watching you. - SleepingOrange, on 10/10/2007, -0/+14"And tyranny, [Yale law professor Stephen] Carter concluded in an oft quoted line, does not overwhelm a nation in an instant. No, he wrote, 'tyranny creeps".
Lazarus continues -- "Lately, though, tyranny runs like a cheetah."
The all-to-often forgotten truth. - spurtle, on 10/10/2007, -0/+13And when a Democrat ends up abusing these powers, what then? This administration is so ***** shortsighted.
- inactive, on 10/10/2007, -0/+13Amendment IX
The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.
Amendment X
The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the states, are reserved to the states respectively, or to the people. - Rsardinia, on 11/08/2007, -2/+15Amen.
- captainbeah, on 10/10/2007, -0/+10Wholly disgusting.
- inactive, on 10/10/2007, -2/+12No regular Joe off the street should consider themselves Dem. or Republican. Its clear now a days that those titles mean nothing unless you sit in a seat of power in the government.
Its a game of poker people... we're just the chips. - Hetman, on 10/10/2007, -0/+10I didnt see it in the article. But I thought you had to have like 2/3 of the vote to get this passed. How come the democrats helped pass it in the first place?
- inactive, on 10/10/2007, -0/+10Wrong!
Get a clue, try again tomorrow.
Man, you people are so willing to just give it all away becuase you are scared of "turrists". - NikoKun, on 10/10/2007, -0/+9Don't give up your freedoms, for security America! You will get neither in the end!
- populist, on 10/10/2007, -1/+10I know I did. My public school sucked. I only learned that as an adult - from Harry Browne....
http://www.harrybrowne.org - EllisAshbrook, on 10/10/2007, -0/+9pwned!
- inactive, on 10/10/2007, -0/+8because they are a bunch of spineless jerks
- pands, on 10/10/2007, -0/+8We can sit here at our computers digging these stories about how all our freedoms are going to *****, or we can go out and DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT!!
If you don't care about losing freedom and liberty then feel free to go about your daily lives, but I for one will be taking action - in the real world, not just the digital. - RP08, on 10/10/2007, -0/+8bahhh. baaahhhhhhh. baaahhhhhhh
- inactive, on 10/10/2007, -1/+9Actually this entire argument centers on the Constitution. Mainly the 4th amendment. Nice strawman tho.
- populist, on 10/10/2007, -1/+8ain't that how it works? at least you had something good to start with - consider yourself lucky!
- Gauthic, on 07/09/2008, -2/+9No, the corps are.
- inactive, on 10/10/2007, -3/+10I was fortunate to have a great Civics teacher - he instilled in me a great distrust of the goverment. Of course he drew the ire of the school and was replaced next year by an ex-marine (who was also the P.E. teacher)
- inactive, on 10/10/2007, -0/+7a-freakin-men!
- rarson, on 10/10/2007, -0/+7The NSA doesn't even know what the 4th Amendment is.
- rarson, on 10/10/2007, -0/+6It really sucks how ***** we are, doesn't it?
In America, the system has been gamed for decades now. We're at the point where the younger generation sees what is going on and wants to fix it, but a lot of our parents have no issues with just sitting by and letting it happen... they've done so for so long already. Which leaves me pretty pissed that they let our country go to *****. - kriderkl, on 10/10/2007, -0/+6How does this really protect the country?
Let me get this straight, not wanting the government to wiretap everyone's overseas conversations is anti-American? What makes someone a suspected terrorist according to the government. Apparently not much because there is thousands of American citizens (including little children) who are on the no-fly list and have never done anything. Do they have some $1000 hat the government bought from Halliburton that is used to pull the name out of? What a douchebag you are. - mille716, on 10/10/2007, -0/+6Someone really should answer crmypotato's question. Why the hell would the Democrats pass this in the first place? Who voted for it? Isn't this exactly the type of thing that we voted them in to protect us from?
/comment from a Democrat - supermanred, on 10/10/2007, -0/+6Not only buried, but you are blocked too. You may be talking to the walls soon.
- TheTaoOfBill, on 10/10/2007, -1/+7The Bill of Rights is part of the Constitution you dumb *****. Not only that but the Bill Of Rights was written after the original articles of the Constitution so if you were to "revert" back to anything you would revert back to the original articles.
I don't normally call people a dumb *****. I'm not the type to publicly degrade people. but when you do not even understand the basics of what your country stands for you are a dumb *****. Read a book. Learn something about your country so I don't have to be ashamed you live in the same country I do. - atheinostic, on 10/10/2007, -0/+6Call your congresspeople, tell them to oppose it. If you don't know exactly what to say, the EFF has a basic script as an example:
https://secure.eff.org/site/Advocacy?alertId=317&p ...
Its better to say your own thing though. But the main point is to let them know you are a constituent and you oppose it. - rarson, on 10/10/2007, -0/+5Exactly my thought when I read "I believe in our government."
It's sad to know that there are people out there who are so stupid they blindly give all their rights away. - EllisAshbrook, on 10/10/2007, -1/+6"mmm, beer!"
-Me - Vinadetta, on 10/10/2007, -0/+5Time for change
- mithrasinvictus, on 10/10/2007, -0/+5Followed by the "if this act fails the terrorists win" act.
- NikoKun, on 10/10/2007, -0/+5We do have the right to privacy, and the right to be innocent until proven guilty... therefore this kind of bill, would be against our rights to privacy.
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