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- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -10/+76Why is this figure not 100%? Didn't Bush's warrantless wiretapping program pretty much demonstrate conclusively that our privacy was under attack in the name of stopping terrorism? Or did 34% just think that since the story disappeared from headlines, the government has decided to play totally legally from now on?
- dongiaconia, on 10/12/2007, -5/+6666% "Think" the U.S. Spies on them, therefore the other 34% must be those that know it for sure. :)
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -3/+30Wow, what a shockingly irrelevant and stupid comment.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -10/+37It's worth noting that 90% of americans believe a big man in the clouds knows everything they do, too.
- nfulton, on 10/12/2007, -8/+32Wow . . . . since the president has said they spy on us, I figure 34% are pretty damned stupid.
Bush Confession
http://www.cnn.com/2005/POLITICS/12/17/bush.nsa/
What the NSA is Said to be Doing
http://news.com.com/2100-1028_3-6071780.html
Echelon
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ECHELON - profOblivion, on 10/12/2007, -1/+17What in the hell are you even talking about...
- iTorrey, on 10/12/2007, -1/+14Firstly, MyHappyClam, no one said that the people CALLING from overseas WERE citizens, only the people, ya know, receiving the calls in the USA!
@theblooms : Just who defines who is a terrorist? Our government says (in section 802 of the Patriot Act) that just about every single person is a terrorist if you break a law that endangers human life.. so that means speeding and jay walking are terrorist acts since you are breaking a law and endangering life. But I don't expect that you've ever read any part of the Patriot Act or Patriot Act II or the Military Commissions Act of 2006.
So this is all "legal" since it fights 'the terrorists', yet, these programs have been going on for decades. First to fight communism, then radical christians and now the new boogy man is 'islamo-fascists'. Fear is the ultimate enslavement tool.
And remember, at one time it was legal to refuse to serve a black man and to force them to get up out of their seat and sit at the back of the bus. "Legal" doesn't mean right. And when you are talking about civil liberties it is NEVER legal to take them away as the Government does NOT have the right to do so. Our civil liberties were given to us by god and we setup government to protect these liberties. - JupiterLander, on 10/12/2007, -1/+14"Who are these mythical ~34% of Americans who are always so ***** clueless in these polls?"
well I think MyHappyClam just answered that for you. People need to wake up and see most of this anti-terrorism crap is just a power grab and it didn't just start under Bush. - dshPls, on 10/12/2007, -20/+33Remember, around 30% believe that we went to Iraq because of terrorism too.
A more shocking statistic is the amount of retarded americans who think 9/11 was an inside job, which I believe was around 90 million. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+13d17182, google 'echelon' and prepare to have your mind changed!
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+13@mrfoos
why is your avatar an american flag? surely it should be a pre-revolution british flag. - evilpettingzoo, on 10/12/2007, -1/+12In other news 34% of Americans won't answer a survey truthfully because they fear they're being spied on.
- theblooms, on 10/12/2007, -16/+25The vast majority of the American population is stone stupid. You know it, I know it, everybody with half a brain knows it. We have all seen the "man on the street" interviews where people will nail who Simon Cowell is 100% of the time, but have NO CLUE who Dr. Condoleezza Rice is. They maybe had heard of her? Didn't she used to be with the Pussy Cat Dolls or something? They can recite every single line from the latest pop sensations new hit song, but can't recite the Pledge of Allegiance.
People are sheep. People are dumb. Hell, 25% of the population thinks the Government was behind the 9/11 attacks. What does that tell you right there? - totorototoro, on 10/12/2007, -5/+14Who are these mythical ~34% of Americans who are always so ***** clueless in these polls?
- Groovemaster, on 10/12/2007, -13/+21"A more shocking statistic is the amount of retarded americans who think 9/11 was an inside job, which I believe was around 90 million."
An even more shocking statistic is the amount of people who think concrete and steel have the same density and resistance as thin air, magically allowing skyscrapers to collapse at freefall speeds "without explosives". - m0tbaillie, on 10/12/2007, -1/+9The fear mongering that the dems put out? Err the current administration is responsible for two wars, a lot of debt (much of it to China - scarily enough), the new "terror alert level" which conveniently fluctuates every week, along with a barrage of psychological warface (terror alert level, "WMDs this" "al-Qaeda that" "more attacks imminent" etc. etc.)
Way to not grasp one ounce of the current political state of the country, buddy boy. - siszam, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8I don't have to THINK the government is spying on citizens. They've admitted it.
dhspls. I find its both sad and amusing that you know the government spies on citizens and you know the Iraq war is not about terrorism yet you still trust the government. LOL Stop seeking peer approval and learn to think for yourself. - TubaTechno, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8So let me get this straight:
A poll comes out that shows that a majority of Americans think that Iraq has something to do with 9/11. And the diggers think Americans are retarded.
http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2003-09-06-poll-iraq_x.htm
Then another poll comes out that a good percentage (33%) of Americans tend to suspect the government in the 9/11 conspiracies.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/12/08/opinion/main2242387.shtml
And now, a poll comes out saying that 66% think that Americans are being spied on by their government.
Are you telling me that you diggers are saying Americans are idiots except for the last poll?! That because you NOW agree with the outcome of the opinion, that all of a sudden makes it correct and accurate? - Urusai, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6Not to this degree and not for these flimsy reasons. Bush doesn't even bother following the laws that let him violate the Constitution. Secret warrant from a secret court? I AM TEH LAW!
- iTorrey, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6@thebloom
"The battlefield".. is this the same battlefield that our government says is global? Is the battlefield that our government says is an aide for terrorists... that being the Internet? The government says that the internet is a terrorist breeding ground and they have agents out trying to counter the 'terrorist' propaganda which is conspiracy theory and anything against the "war effort". So since the battleground is everywhere, then I guess collecting these numbers on the 'battlefield' makes sense.
Why don't you go and put down your political pom-poms and read up on Project Echelon which has been around longer than this 'war on terror'. I assure you, they are not just listening in on 'some' calls from numbers they get 'in the battlefield'.
Or go read up on some other great government projects such as Operation Mockingbird and Operation Ajax or Project Gladio where our government trained and funded terrorists who blew up school buses full of children just so they could blame it on our enemies. Hell, I'll make this easy for you
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Gladio
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Ajax
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Mockingbird
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rex84
When you talk, all I hear is "Gooooooo Team!". Stop being a cheerleader! - m0tbaillie, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6It's also interesting to note how the administration (and to a lesser extent, the media) labels anyone in another country who doesn't agree with how the US conducts business (i.e. how we go about invading third world countries) as a "terrorist".
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5No, it's my loss, since your disregard for your own rights devalues my rights.
People like you freak me out. Our rights aren't really coming under attack; they're being handed away at the first request by people like you who are too apathetic or to scared to argue. Didn't you pay attention in school to that part where they outlined why these freedoms are important? - 10lbhammer, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5@ railer
it's precisely this "it doesn't bother me why should I care" attitude that could eventually come back and bite you in the ass. with the systematic breakdown of our civil liberties over the last few years (or decades) the government has more power over the people than ever before. what happens when 20 years from now the government really *is* spying on most of it's population, simply because it can and wants to keep it's power? will you care then? - iTorrey, on 10/12/2007, -2/+7And in other news lagrange was taken away in the dead of night after being overheard plotting what officials say was a plan to blow up landmarks in America. It is not clear what the basis for the charges are. The family of lagrange is filing a lawsuit however government officials are refusing to hear the case citing 'national security concerns'. The United States supreme court has weighed in saying that under the Military Commissions Act of 2006, no court has jurisdiction to hear a petition of habeas corpus.
The exact whereabouts of lagrange remain unclear. Some reports have him in the 'gitmo resort' (as called by Rush Limbaugh) while others say he may have been flown out of the country to a CIA prison in Poland or Hungary.
This just in from the Ministry of Truth, lagrange never existed, it's just a plot by the islamo-fascists to trick us! We've always been at war with East Asia!
In other news, 100% of the people are happy and love life! Production is up and the economy is stronger than ever. Stay tuned to your tele-screen for an important announcement from Big Brother. Good day. - GMorgan, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4All politics is opinion. There is no such thing as a political fact since the whole point is how many of the sheeple you can control.
- Namco, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4The 35% are just blissfully ignorant. I wish I was one of them.
- washingtonydc, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Drama may go away, but the Constitution and the freedom and liberties it affords all Americans will not.
- jeffiek, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3@detlev409
"Didn't you pay attention in school to that part where they outlined why these freedoms are important?"
They don't outline those parts anymore, they conflicted with the rest of the curriculum. - iTorrey, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3When the Nazis came for the communists,
I remained silent;
I was not a communist.
When they locked up the social democrats,
I remained silent;
I was not a social democrat.
When they came for the trade unionists,
I did not speak out;
I was not a trade unionist.
When they came for me,
there was no one left to speak out. - tmesis, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4Yes, because the Arabs used the Roman alphabet to transcribe their prayers, you idiot.
- thepeacemaker, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3CNN Reporter: "Is Barak Obama a threat to our country's security?"
Pedestrian: "Yes, he is still a threat!"
[http://search.cnn.com/pages/search.jsp?query=obama - See video:"Obama, not Osama"] - Conwaysb0718, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3I don't really know if the government is or is not spying on each and every one of us. However, if they were/are, I think it would be extremely naive to think it started as recently as the Bush administration.
- dep01, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4The other 34% KNOWS the US spies on its citizens. nyuk, nyuk :)
damn. just realized someone said this..
come on, danny.. think up something witty.... come ooonnnn!
...
ah, crap! play me some filler, will ya!?
*overtly hyper rag time piano as i dance off stage* - InetRoadkill, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5@jav1231
[quote]Because it's highly unlikely that 100% of the country has gotten overseas calls from questionable sources. Dumbass.[/quote]
Bush is in trouble for tapping *DOMESTIC PHONE CALLS* between *US CITIZENS* made *INSIDE THE US* without a warrant as required by the 4th amendment and FISA. The NSA wiretap program is nothing more than a massive fishing expedition and a gross abuse of power and a heinous invasion of privacy. Moron. - GabrielS, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Apparently this all too common a practice between cooperating nations' intelligence services. Most, if not all, intelligence agencies like the CIA are prohibited from spying on their own citizens, but since they work closely with other nations' intelligence services they often ask eachother to spy on their own people to circumvent the law.
This is what has some Italians in trouble because they worked for SISMI, couldn't spy on Italian citizens, and passed the information to the CIA and asked them to spy on the Italians. - jeffiek, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3@theblooms
"you would have read that the information on which phone numbers to listen to, we get from information captured on the battlefield!"
And you know this because you've read the lists? Or just blindly believed some government source?
Oh, by the way, I have a bridge for sale. - Cronus6, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Staunch Conservative Republican Christians.
- Ammon, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3I sure don't think that Bush is listening in on my phone calls to my customers asking about when there newsletter will be printed, or to my friends while we plan which movie we're going to see, or how badly I think of the Dallas Cowboys...or, oh well, 33% of you will understand what I'm talking about anyway. This IS the Washington Post....enough said...
- Jawoodyablowme, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2"I grant unlimited permission for the government to spy on me any ole time. I have nothing to hide. Bring it on."
@MRFoos:
I guarantee that if I look at your life close enough: business practices, taxes, sexual activity (anal sex is illegal in many states, and/or is that girl in that porn picture REALLY 18 ?!?), driving, etc... I WILL find something that you are doing "wrong" i.e. illegal. Not that you're a bad person or anything it's just that there are soooo many laws on the books and soooo complex (Income taxes for one), it is impossible NOT to do something wrong.
Also, cops do make mistakes and there are some very zealous prosecutors out there trying to make a name for themselves who will stop at nothing to get a notch on their belt. This guy didn't do anything wrong (unless if you think marrying a Muslim is wrong):
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/11/30/us/30settle.html?ex=1322542800&en=a182c83894570961&ei=5090&partner=rssuserland&emc=rss
Our Freedoms are there for a reason. - coredump79, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4What a bunch of crap .. You guys are so worried that the FBI or CIA will find out what kind of mac and cheese you like, but then you demand that honest business owners loose the right to manage their business how they want. I.E. the BS smoking ban on restaurants and bars. Such hypocrisy ..
- GabrielS, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2You make a very good point. This is why we need to review the raw polling data to see how the questions were framed. It is very possible that repsondants would reply that they think the government is spying on them regardless of the Dec. 2005 NY Times story revealing this current program.
- df12, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3Don't forget Gun "Control" legislation... Apparently some rights are "OK" to lose in the name of public safety but not others..... Hypocrites...
- iTorrey, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1And to apply this logic to another of our rights... free speech
"Too many people flatter themselves by thinking they have anything of value to say. No matter what you think you have to say, its drivel compare to things that have already been said by great people such as Einstein or Martin Luther King Jr."
It's about keeping government in check. That is our job as citizens of the United States. We have a government to protect our rights, not dictate them to us. Rights are not dependent on the good graces of government. This is how tyranny happens. People are scared into accepting the power of government. Government has no powers. The power is with the people. - Benzido, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2@Cleotis:
Tell us who did it, then. Before you say 'Osama Bin Laden', note that on the FBI's most wanted list, he's not even listed as being connected with the 9/11 attacks:
http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/topten/fugitives/laden.htm - frozen1, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1"A more shocking statistic is the amount of retarded americans who think 9/11 was an inside job, which I believe was around 90 million."
It's one thing to consider or think something for a moment briefly, its another thing to believe it once it has been debunked. Anyone who has done a bit of research into 9/11 recordings and compared them to demolition of buildings, its not that far fetched. Also military protocol to shoot down planes within a few minutes of being off their designated course would ring alarms in any one who is any way rational. You have to have an understanding of how the system works. How is it that these planes were even allowed to hit buildings especially when they knew well ahead of time?
Lastly just becuase someone is a conspiracy theorist doesn't make them retarded, there's good reason to always be on your guard against those with vested interests in capitalizing at any cost. Go read some chomsky. - CaptainHarlock, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1They are spying on us.
I may have compromised myself by posting here.
Leave reply at the designated drop point. - Illuminarch, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I'm disappointed, but not at all surprised, that so many people still think it's a good thing when the government rapes their liberties and violates their own laws "for the common good." Since when was the government actually good at protecting us anyway? Remember that these new police state initiatives really took off after arguably the greatest failure to protect American territory in our history, and it wasn't for lack of information. A half-dozen countries warned the US in the weeks leading up to 9/11 that an attack was imminent, and even whistleblowers in the CIA, FBI, and other alphabet soup agencies admitted to having picked up indications of a large-scale, imminent attack. What was done? All the vaunted and "necessary" airport security didn't stop the hijackers then and couldn't stop them now, either.
And when do government agencies get more money, and more power? After they've failed to stop a disaster, of course. It's in their interest to blow it.
Trusting the government with your safety is a good way to get yourself killed. - JonForTheWin, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1So 34% is retarded.
- GabrielS, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1This isn't political opinion. This is general news or political news.
Do they provide the raw polling data? I can't seem to locate it via this url. Anyone else have any luck? - nwkeeley, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1What do you diggers think does the US Spy on its own people?
Take the Digg Spy Poll!
http://www.pollburner.com/takePoll.php?id=e8a1edd07625 -
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