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Naughty Dog: "Uncharted uses 30% of the cell processor power"
arstechnica.com — Ars Technica sits down with the recently promoted Chief Technical Officer (now co-president) of Naughty Dog, Christophe Balestra, to talk about Uncharted: Drake's Fortune, the power of the PlayStation 3, and the future of the console.
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- axis, on 11/11/2007, -86/+37This is the game that people will buy while they wait for MGS4. The game looks simply incredible and I can't wait to play the demo. Newegg already has my pre-order because I know I wont be able to get it on its release date. This will shut everyone up about "no games" for the PS3. The argument no longer holds water, then again I never really cared for it.
Sony should have had all these dev tools available well before the system was released, but oh well. If you have the MGS4 team helping and tipping others on how develop for the PS3, everyone will have to swallow their tongue, as Sony will once again duplicate what they did with the PS2 and that is smash the competition.- Wiinii, on 11/13/2007, -50/+31Fanboy wearing Sony branded rainbow-colored glasses.
- shinythingy, on 11/13/2007, -15/+40pot.kettle.black
- Wiinii, on 11/13/2007, -22/+6For my name eh? You should try looking at all of my comments, they are public, before assuming such things.
- Tahiri, on 11/13/2007, -2/+16No, for your comment
- Wiinii, on 11/13/2007, -16/+1In that case ***** yourself, I am right.
- rikwakefield, on 11/13/2007, -27/+26The most powerful is not always the best. Remember that when you're trying to fellate your playstation.
- xxbrighteyed, on 11/05/2007, -6/+2The original Xbox was more powerful, and the PS2 owners were the ones saying that games mattered, not graphics. It's weird how in-between generations, the Sony and Microsoft fanboys have had to switch arguments, and Nintendo has outsold them both with innovation and appealing to the mass market. I own a 360 and a Wii, and will get a PS3 when there's games I really want to play on it
- mywhitenoise, on 11/04/2007, -10/+34What a ***** moron. I can't wait for this game, but there's no doubt in my mind that there will be plenty of copies in stock. HALO 3 DIDNT SELL OUT, what the hell makes you think Uncharted will?
My girlfriend works at a gamestop (her store had 200 reserves on the legendary reserve of Halo 3), she only has one reserve on Uncharted...guess who's it is?- bilbravo, on 11/03/2007, -0/+17They knew Halo would be huge so they made many copies of it. I could see how a dark horse game could sell out. I'm not saying it will, just that's possible for a game to sell out even though Halo 3 didn't.
- mywhitenoise, on 11/03/2007, -4/+7That's a good point. I still don't think it will sell out, though. Like I said my girlfriends gamestop got over 200 reserves on that ridiculous legenadry version of Halo 3, and there's only one reserve (mine) for Uncharted.
- axis, on 11/05/2007, -7/+12I find that hard to believe. I reserved my copy of NHL 08, which I know is a niche game, even when PS3 games are hard to come by. They had 3-4 reserved copies, so don't say that Gamestop has 1 copy reserved for Uncharted. Don't be such a tool and make things up. I love my PS3, it is a great console. It has its flaws and the lineup isn't amazing, but do you really think Sony would invest all this money and let it fail? Some people are so near-sighted. Digg me down, I don't care. In a few years, people will see.
- ociris, on 11/05/2007, -7/+5Its called "investment"... They hope it wont fail, but it could possibly will.
- CReyes4182, on 11/05/2007, -0/+1Before Gears of War I was 100% sure the 360 would fail. Everyone thought it would fail. Look at the huge turnaround. Why wouldn't the ps3 do the same? It has more good games then the 360 had at this point in its life and it's also selling about the same as the 360 did at this point too. Not only that but the 360 didn't have any competition.. the ps3 had the wii and 360 to deal with.
- ociris, on 11/05/2007, -7/+5Its called "investment"... They hope it wont fail, but it could possibly will.
- FURIOUSgeorge24, on 11/02/2007, -0/+2First of all, I would like to say that I agree that it is unlikely this game will sell out, but before you call someone a moron you should understand how Gamestop buys their games. Gamestop has an extremely lazy corporate buyer department. They use reservation numbers to estimate how many copies of a game to order per store. As bilbravo pointed out, everyone knows something like Halo, Madden or GTA is going to sell a ton of copies, so they stock a ton of copies for max sell-through. But a breakout hit or an underhyped runaway could easily sell out simply because their marketing budget doesn't allow for the same buzz to get going. Unfortunately, marketing dollars is what sells reservations and gets game orders from stores like Gamestop, not the quality of the game.
- bilbravo, on 11/03/2007, -0/+17They knew Halo would be huge so they made many copies of it. I could see how a dark horse game could sell out. I'm not saying it will, just that's possible for a game to sell out even though Halo 3 didn't.
- PawFox, on 11/04/2007, -10/+4Nicely Said +1
- daridave, on 11/04/2007, -0/+1If you're actually wishing SONY would have smashed the competition [again] with the PS3, you are an idiot. The current state of the industry is the BEST thing that could have happenned to it, and if you can't see it, it's because you're an idiot fanboy.
- explodey, on 11/05/2007, -0/+0Ever since they began putting games on Disc (rather than cartridge), I have never had to make a pre-order.
- Wiinii, on 11/13/2007, -50/+31Fanboy wearing Sony branded rainbow-colored glasses.
- EDmAN, on 11/09/2007, -25/+58reply to axis...
I am a PS3 fan myself, but you are making claims based on what? The trailer for Uncharted looked amazing, but we haven't even played the demo yet. Please hold off on remarks like this until you have actually played MGS4 and Uncharted. I think the PS3 is finally getting some games that show its superiority over other systems, but the most powerful doesn't always win and right now the PS3 is pretty far behind. There is realy no sense in being a total jerk about things, because people who own 360 have have the right to own which ever system they want. In fact I own all three next-gen systems, but I'm still pulling for Sony. I bought a 360 because I got a large sum of unexpected money and wanted to play Halo 3 and Mass Effect is looking good. What I am trying to say is, the PS3 is picking up steam, but don't try to tell the future to everyone.- Wiinii, on 11/04/2007, -28/+16I agreed with you all accept the "its superiority over other systems" part. You are making that claim based on what? More "supposed" power alone does not a superior console make. Right now sales alone prove it is the most inferior of the 3 next-gen consoles, not to mention it's current lack of system-selling games, lame online network, tacked on me-too motions controls (without rumble currently I might add), high price tag, grill appearance and size, and yes even currently inferior graphics to the 360 on most games.
- ausfahrt, on 11/04/2007, -8/+17Check again sales are where the 360 was at this time after it's release. When sony said it would overtake the 360 that was just stupid because the 360 had a year head start. Maybe in the end a few years down the road it might or might not who knows and who cares, cause for now it's doing just fine and will continue to release awesome games as will the 360 and Wii. They are all here to stay which is great for a gamer.
- Axim, on 11/09/2007, -7/+8see but doing a straight up comparison isn't fair either given the ridiculous advantage it had since the PS2 installed base was much much larger than the amount of original xbox owners. so really they had a large advantage there and completely failed to leverage it.. the fact that they're even on par or slightly ahead of the 360 at the same point in the system's life is a large success for microsoft..
- Tuto, on 11/03/2007, -4/+7Also i think its important to note that Xbox 360 isn't selling at all in Japan. So basically it is selling as much as the ps3 in only 2 regions when the ps3 has 3. Naturally this isn't really positive for xbox 360, but just shows how well its doing on those 2 markets.
- apoc06, on 11/09/2007, -3/+1this is something else that people fail to realize: sales numbers for europe [other than england] are hard to come by on a weekly basis, so you have to wait until a company posts its quarterly or annual sales numbers to know exactly how its doing. in one year, the ps3 has reached about half of what the xbox360 has in sales. this is while being in third place in the US, and at a much higher pricepoint than it has now. if/ when the ps3 ever overtakes the xbox360 in US sales, that is when sony will really start cutting into the xbox360 headstart.
i own both, but looking forward to 2008 i can see way more ps3 purchases that i want to make than i see for the xbox360. when the real heavy hitter games drop [multiplatform or not], the xbox360 will need counter-measures. right now i just dont see them. in the realm of exclusives, it seems that the ps3 [again] has the widest variety of titles that will pull in the widest variety of gamers. halo3 has come and gone, we need more exclusive titles on the xbox360.
in the meantime, the wii will continue to outsell them both for some reason.
- apoc06, on 11/09/2007, -3/+1this is something else that people fail to realize: sales numbers for europe [other than england] are hard to come by on a weekly basis, so you have to wait until a company posts its quarterly or annual sales numbers to know exactly how its doing. in one year, the ps3 has reached about half of what the xbox360 has in sales. this is while being in third place in the US, and at a much higher pricepoint than it has now. if/ when the ps3 ever overtakes the xbox360 in US sales, that is when sony will really start cutting into the xbox360 headstart.
- ociris, on 11/05/2007, -8/+3Can someone please stop using the release sales of 360..... Its not like Sony is trying to compete with Xbox 360 2006... They are competing at the present. If 360 graphics is much better then maybe its because the PS3 has an awkward memory configuration, which is a modified Geforce 7 with 256MB GDDR3 and the 256MB XDR (glorified rambus) for the cell. XDR is no where close to the speed of the GDDR3. Hence 512MB GDDR3 of the 360 will always run smoother than the awkward 256 GDDR3 + 256 XDR combo of the PS3.
- EDmAN, on 11/05/2007, -1/+6whatever, R&C is smooth as a babies bottom...
- apoc06, on 11/03/2007, -1/+2only if you stop posting specs, please
- jostheller, on 11/05/2007, -5/+3My favorite part of the article was
"In terms of Blu-Ray, we just couldn’t have made Uncharted without it; with Uncharted we have almost filled it (91 percent). "
Less then a year out of the gate and games are already taking advantage of the added BD space.... where the 360 is still sticking with last gen media. I am still waiting for Microsoft to release an "ultra elite" with integrated HD-DVD drive...
- ausfahrt, on 11/04/2007, -8/+17Check again sales are where the 360 was at this time after it's release. When sony said it would overtake the 360 that was just stupid because the 360 had a year head start. Maybe in the end a few years down the road it might or might not who knows and who cares, cause for now it's doing just fine and will continue to release awesome games as will the 360 and Wii. They are all here to stay which is great for a gamer.
- Wiinii, on 11/04/2007, -29/+15I forgot to mention gimped backward compatibility in new models too.
I bought a 60GB model because I didn't want a castrated model, and mostly because I wanted Home. Now Home got delayed and my PS3 acts like a big "I got one" trophy, and just sits there collecting dust.- eryximachus, on 11/04/2007, -9/+5What is "Home"?
- NightVortez, on 11/04/2007, -0/+2It's where you live.
- mywhitenoise, on 11/09/2007, -4/+20You think Home will change that?
I love my PS3, but Home isn't going to sell consoles, Home seems pretty lame.- Wiinii, on 11/04/2007, -3/+8I said I wanted Home, me personally, for personal reasons unrelated to why I would normally buy a system in fact.
- Ajajadude, on 11/04/2007, -1/+5Home has potential. We'll see if it lives up to that potential, though.
- eryximachus, on 11/04/2007, -9/+5What is "Home"?
- AntBing, on 11/05/2007, -5/+40Did you not notice the reply button?
- Wiinii, on 11/04/2007, -9/+1True.
- MCHampster, on 11/04/2007, -2/+6My guess is he knew the comment would be dugg down, so his reply would be hidden.
- EDmAN, on 11/09/2007, -2/+1Good guess, I really want the mudslinging to end. I mean why in the world does everyone want to bash everyone's system. I'm not completely unguilty of this in the past, but I learned my lesson when I read completely bias stuff, like that above...
- kazamx, on 11/04/2007, -4/+7I just wish that sony would open up the GPU on the PS3. If they did that then it would be the perfect upgrade from the XBMC. Not only would it be the XBMC but with HD, it would also be a full Linux desktop, and the imagination is the only limit then on what the PS3 could become.
- gwolf, on 11/09/2007, -4/+4The biggest limitation on the PS3 is it's GPU.
Ps3 = 256
XB 360 = 512
PC = 720
It's all about the numbers and whatever magic the cell might some day be able to do it will still come through on a 256 mb GPU.- DarkShroud, on 11/09/2007, -2/+4Try again, the PS3's GPU has access to both sections of memory.
256MB XDR Main RAM @3.2GHz
256MB GDDR3 VRAM @700MHz
- DarkShroud, on 11/09/2007, -2/+4Try again, the PS3's GPU has access to both sections of memory.
- gwolf, on 11/09/2007, -4/+4The biggest limitation on the PS3 is it's GPU.
- rlg420, on 11/09/2007, -4/+3That's not steam the PS3 is picking up, it's the smoke from the tires of the 360 and Wii as they fly by on the track.
- merdiesel, on 11/09/2007, -1/+2Why didn't you just hit the reply button like everyone else?..
- Wiinii, on 11/04/2007, -28/+16I agreed with you all accept the "its superiority over other systems" part. You are making that claim based on what? More "supposed" power alone does not a superior console make. Right now sales alone prove it is the most inferior of the 3 next-gen consoles, not to mention it's current lack of system-selling games, lame online network, tacked on me-too motions controls (without rumble currently I might add), high price tag, grill appearance and size, and yes even currently inferior graphics to the 360 on most games.
- EDmAN, on 11/04/2007, -19/+25comment on the actual article:
These guys are throwing around the 30% claim in all of their recent articles. One thing we need to keep in mind is that they are actually saying they're only using 30% of the SPE's not the total processing power of the PS3 since the main processing core is still probably handling more. It will be interesting to see how much they can continue to take the load off the GPU and CPU an put it on the SPE's. That will really determine how much of an asset the cell will be to the PS3.- Kishoba, on 11/04/2007, -4/+18The PPE, or Power core, is rather underpowered for a Power CPU. It has a lot of overhead to deal with managing the SPE's, and is really only good at running operating system type code. The SPE's are WHERE the systems performance lies.
- EDmAN, on 11/04/2007, -0/+5Isn't that what I said? The more they can take off the main core and gpu and put on the SPE's will determine how much of an asset the cell is to the PS3. It has been proven that most PS3 games are currently not even taking advantage of the SPE's, especially ports.
- Kishoba, on 11/04/2007, -4/+18The PPE, or Power core, is rather underpowered for a Power CPU. It has a lot of overhead to deal with managing the SPE's, and is really only good at running operating system type code. The SPE's are WHERE the systems performance lies.
- Kenelm, on 11/05/2007, -38/+13I don't believe that kind of ***** anymore.
All the devs are like "OMG!!! T3H PS3 IS ÜBER POWËRFULL!!! WE ONLY USE HALF OF ITS PROCESSING POWËR!!!!".
It makes me think of Duke Nukem Forever: they keep talking about it, but still, no one has seen it.
So why don't they use this extra power? What are they waiting for for God's sake?- minorthreat, on 11/05/2007, -3/+25you have obviously never worked in the software engineering field or have any knowledge how software engineering works.
There are many many game developers out there. A very small amount of them are versed in the PS3 API. Those who are, I seriously doubt have had enough time to use it very well..- gwolf, on 11/05/2007, -4/+2Neither have you apparently. Don't confuse what the marketing people say with what developers know.
- gwolf, on 11/05/2007, -3/+2"
- BuddyDoQ, on 11/05/2007, -6/+11It really doesn't work that way. It's not like using the other 70% in this context will somehow make the gameplay better, longer, nicer looking, or run smoother. They utilize what they need, both in terms of processing power and total system features. They had to optimize the art to meet the system requirements just like for every other console, It's not going to render Pixar level content in real time with gameplay grade performance. He was also pepping up the system because he's a Sony employee. If they did max out the processors, the game would run like *****, stuttering and low FPS. Maybe they were ultra-conservative in this game compared to other titles as far as pushing the GPU/CPU, but that's to be applauded, not causing people to go off screaming, "USE. IT. ALL!"
Hara hachi bu. Only eat until you are 80% full.- asskey, on 11/04/2007, -2/+7That would still be a 50% gain from 30% hot damn!
- CroMag, on 11/03/2007, -2/+8Shut up man. No one said what you just quoted. Your Digg Humor® is lame and when you use it "just to use it", it's even lamer.
- Axim, on 11/09/2007, -8/+10to be fair this whole shtick does get super old, i think that's why a lot of people enjoy ***** on the ps3..the arrogance promoting it as some life changing space-age device when in fact it's all completely overblown. even watching the video developer's diary on ign.. they keep going on about how it wouldn't be possible without the power of the cell and ps3 etc. do you hear 360 developers continually harping in videos on how powerful their system is? looking at assassin's creed on both systems obviously graphics like this are not exclusive to the ps3, both systems are extremely powerful and in the end the difference is going to be negligible..
that being said the game looks great but i'm sick of this ps3 circlejerk when it leaks into half of the commentary you hear from developers..- gwolf, on 11/09/2007, -1/+3The proof is in the pudding and PS3 devs wouldn't need to say it if they could just demonstrate it.
- DarkDx, on 11/02/2007, -2/+2I have seen duke nukem forever:
http://www.tecnosquad.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/ ...
Now you can see the holy grail too. lol - Tahiri, on 11/05/2007, -2/+9But you're perfectly fine beleiving the assholes who say PS3 is underpowered.
Hypocrite.- gwolf, on 11/05/2007, -2/+2I believe what I see not what marketing shills tell me to believe.
- DarkShroud, on 11/03/2007, -1/+2Then go watch Ratchet & Clank game play and realize that is a first year game just as Uncharted. How long did it take great looking games to come out to the 360? Almost a full year give or take a few weeks with Gears. And the 360's architecture is just like a PC. Where as the PS3 is brand new and they hard to start from scratch with their code. So wait until the next game comes out.
- gwolf, on 11/05/2007, -2/+2I believe what I see not what marketing shills tell me to believe.
- minorthreat, on 11/05/2007, -3/+25you have obviously never worked in the software engineering field or have any knowledge how software engineering works.
- ScoobyG, on 11/06/2007, -6/+59Of course the 30% comment is to be taken with a grain of salt. Once you get past the brash tone, the interview is very interesting and revealing, you learn for example that Naughty Dog is actually helping Sony making the PS3's dev kit better.
Besides, there's no denying Uncharted looks spectacular. If truly they think the PS3 still has plenty of untapped power - and it does sound like they sorta know what they're talking about - then everyone wins: it means more, and better games for the PS3, which means the PS3 won't be the total loser of this generation, which means a healthy competitive field. And that's a Good Thing (tm).- Jumangi, on 11/04/2007, -9/+3Thats whats so wrong about the PS3 and Sony right now. It takes a developer like Naughty Dog to help the damn platform maker offer better dev tools. Do you hear about the 360 developers doing this? No, because they don't need to. MS provides quality tools that allow developers to make full use of the system right away. Having to take multiple generations of games for developers to finally get their heads arounda system is not a good thing IMO.
- Ajajadude, on 11/05/2007, -7/+3Well, developers for the 360 aren't in uncharted waters since Microsoft didn't decide to completely revamp their hardware and turn it into something that no one has a clue as to how to use it. The learning curve for the 360 is significantly less steeper than the curve for the PS3. Sony did a terrible job out of the gate with making sure developers had the necessary tools to design for the PS3.
- gwolf, on 11/04/2007, -0/+2Well that's mostly right but devs really hadn't worked much with multiple processors at that point either. Now they are getting the hang of it and even the PC world is starting to benefit.
- Abno, on 11/04/2007, -0/+7Naughty Dog is owned by Sony, so of course they'll help out when they can. They built Uncharted from scratch and developed a lot of new technology and dev tools in the process, and I think it's a good thing they're willing to share it instead of keeping it all to themselves.
- Ajajadude, on 11/05/2007, -7/+3Well, developers for the 360 aren't in uncharted waters since Microsoft didn't decide to completely revamp their hardware and turn it into something that no one has a clue as to how to use it. The learning curve for the 360 is significantly less steeper than the curve for the PS3. Sony did a terrible job out of the gate with making sure developers had the necessary tools to design for the PS3.
- Jumangi, on 11/04/2007, -9/+3Thats whats so wrong about the PS3 and Sony right now. It takes a developer like Naughty Dog to help the damn platform maker offer better dev tools. Do you hear about the 360 developers doing this? No, because they don't need to. MS provides quality tools that allow developers to make full use of the system right away. Having to take multiple generations of games for developers to finally get their heads arounda system is not a good thing IMO.
- Shrubber, on 11/05/2007, -26/+8Is that figure really supposed to impress me? That doesn't mean that the PS3 is a beastly hulk of a console, it means that developers don't know how to take advantage of the machine.
- JayD16, on 11/05/2007, -3/+27Using so few resources while still producing a game like Uncharted IS taking advantage of the machine.
- Gerz1219, on 11/05/2007, -15/+5I also suspect, at this late date, that they never will. Unless there's a Halo 3-like explosion in PS3 sales in the next six months or so, the third party devs are all going to make 360 and Wii games, and port them to the PS3, with little attempt to optimize for the Cell. That was the big prediction last year, and it's absolutely come true. The first party devs still haven't figured out how to take advantage of the machine, and it's certainly not for lack of pressure. If the Uncharted devs knew how to use the other 70% and blow any 360 title out of the water, they would have. They can't, because the PS3 is a paper tiger.
- apoc06, on 11/03/2007, -1/+3have you read any of the recent articles from midway? have you taken a look at some of the titles coming out for the ps3 in 2008? outside of maybe capcom, i dont really see developers jumping ship the way people paint that picture.
they made the game so that it lives up to its projected artistic style. if you look at the comparison videos, they actually surpass them. developers never know how to take full advantage of ANY machine, whether its the xbox360 or the PS3. the demo scene is still out there making graphically amazing stuff that could still run on 10 year old Pentium3s. stop believing everything you hear. when developers say that they pushed the xbox360 to its limits to make game x; lets use gears of war for example, thats hype! if they pushed it to its limits then, how on earth would they eke out more power to make UT3?
- apoc06, on 11/03/2007, -1/+3have you read any of the recent articles from midway? have you taken a look at some of the titles coming out for the ps3 in 2008? outside of maybe capcom, i dont really see developers jumping ship the way people paint that picture.
- aggies11, on 11/05/2007, -28/+10They only use 30% because it's so awesome, or because it's so insanely difficult to program for that 30% is the best they can hope for?
Aggies- hadiz, on 11/03/2007, -1/+19Why did you sign your comment with your username?
hadiz - asskey, on 11/03/2007, -1/+7First of all, quit adding a signature when we can clearly see who is posting the comment from that little thing that says "aggies11 x minutes ago."
Second, I believe it's probably both of those things, which is a great sign for PS3 owners and the rest of us because of the future increased competition.
- hadiz, on 11/03/2007, -1/+19Why did you sign your comment with your username?
- CollapseControl, on 11/05/2007, -25/+5Talk, talk, talk, let's see the games come out and play them. It'll be another great game like LAIR.
- santasing, on 11/03/2007, -2/+5Lair is a great game. Too bad too many people pay too much attention to what some random reviewer has to say about it. I rented it first, but it looks so good, that I had to buy it just to complete my collection.
- glamdr1ng, on 11/03/2007, -20/+7Graphics are nice and all, but is it fun to play?
- mywhitenoise, on 11/04/2007, -3/+15Why do so many people (mainly wii users) think just because a game has good graphics, means it will play like *****? In my experience the games with the best graphics, usually were the better ones because the developers gave a ***** about detail not only in the graphics, but in the gameplay as well.
- MouseCircus, on 11/03/2007, -5/+3He didn't say the gameplay sucked. He's asking what the gameplay is LIKE.
I really don't know why he got buried, as I'm curious too.
- MouseCircus, on 11/03/2007, -5/+3He didn't say the gameplay sucked. He's asking what the gameplay is LIKE.
- WhereAmI, on 11/03/2007, -2/+11We aren't going to know for sure until it comes out...And the demo will be a taste. This is Naughty Dog though, the makers of Crash Bandicoot 1-3, CTR, and the Jak and Daxters. They have a good track record is all I'm saying.
- Tahiri, on 11/03/2007, -3/+8I do find it ironic since all wii games both look and play poorly. You'd think they'd equate poor graphics with poor gameplay and not the vice versa
- projjalc, on 11/03/2007, -2/+3Do you know Naughty Dog? They've been consistently setting an example of good graphics+good gameplay on both the PS1 and PS2. And while this game may not be the shining knight that scoops the PS3 out of the doldrums, it'll definitely be a lot of fun to play.
- mywhitenoise, on 11/04/2007, -3/+15Why do so many people (mainly wii users) think just because a game has good graphics, means it will play like *****? In my experience the games with the best graphics, usually were the better ones because the developers gave a ***** about detail not only in the graphics, but in the gameplay as well.
- colincornaby, on 11/03/2007, -14/+9Um, maybe I'm wrong here, but CPU power isn't everything. If they've already max'd out the GPU, there isn't much of a way they'll be able to push more pixels out of the box, even if there is a lot of the Cell they haven't used yet.
- DarkDx, on 11/03/2007, -9/+5everything actual maxes out the gpu, because it's a 7800, and guess what, the 360 has a 7800 too. We're talking about cpu power here, and how to use it to make even better graphics.
- ufee, on 11/03/2007, -0/+3The 360 does not have a 7800. It has an ATI Xenos, which is similar to the Radeon HD series of GPU's.
- bigbadgoat, on 11/03/2007, -3/+16unless they use the cell to help process stuff for the GPU, which it is capable of.
The PS3 was orginally designed without a GPU. - jgtg32a, on 11/03/2007, -1/+5I would like to know that as well, because if you remember sega genesis cpu was 2x as fast as the SNES, and it showed in games like sonic.
- trogdor282, on 11/03/2007, -1/+5The GPU is maxed out because it's doing things the SPE's could be doing instead, if only the developers could figure out how.
Unless you're a fanboy looking for trash talk material, I think the only thing the 30% figure says is that Sony REALLY needs to improve the dev kit. If they can manage that we're going to see some real magic ahead. If they can't, expect it most games to max out at this 30% mark, making the other 70% an unfortunate waste. (Disclaimer: I'm a computer engineer and I own a 360)
- DarkDx, on 11/03/2007, -9/+5everything actual maxes out the gpu, because it's a 7800, and guess what, the 360 has a 7800 too. We're talking about cpu power here, and how to use it to make even better graphics.
- iRoy, on 11/07/2007, -3/+30O.K. guys relax and tone down the whole console war thing, Gamestop is the only one profiting from that *****.
Naughty Dog has been working with Sony for a very long time and I would imagine that they know the hardware pretty well so this should not be regarded as a completely baseless statement. At the same time, It should be taken with a grain of salt because Naughty Dog and Sony, along with every other successful company, are here to make games. And then make money by selling games. I am going to be downloading the demo and if it runs smoothly and is fun I am gong to gladly fork over my $60 regardless of what percent of the Cell processor it utilizes.- phatcat77, on 11/07/2007, -13/+2STFU I own Gamestop stock and they've been raking in the dough for me. Fight on my minions! Also go by more ***** and at Gamstop MWHAAAHAHAHAHA!!
- scabbers, on 11/05/2007, -19/+5I'll laugh if the game turns out to be mediocre.
- KrustyTClown, on 11/04/2007, -3/+10Why would you laugh? That would be one less good game.
- phrozenone, on 11/06/2007, -1/+3Agreed. Every developer should take their time to produce quality material period.
- KrustyTClown, on 11/04/2007, -3/+10Why would you laugh? That would be one less good game.
- alkajazz, on 11/03/2007, -3/+7Crash bandicoot meets indiana jones
- Royal0, on 11/07/2007, -19/+5Remember E3 05'? When everyone was amazed about the Killzone trailer and they said it was 'Real Gameplay' but it turned out it they lied. None of these awesome looking games actually have demos, how do we know that they are not lieing about this aswell? They have lied plently of times before.
- acurism, on 11/07/2007, -3/+15If you look at neogaf.com, you will see "actual" game play footage of Killzone 2 which looks amazing!
- phatcat77, on 11/07/2007, -2/+16Yeah your pretty stupid, how about Ratchet & Clank, and Heavenly Sword, and if you bothered to look they you would see that a demo is coming out in the next week or so.
E3 05 was a debacle they aren't going to pull that ***** on us again.- Gohan5052, on 11/03/2007, -7/+2So what youre saying is that they did lie in 05 but its ok cause they wont do it again?
Iv been lied to by sony over and over again and most of us have (ps2 HDD anyone?) im tired of it. What makes you think they wont do it again? I love R&C and FF but to me its not worth getting screwed again- KrustyTClown, on 11/05/2007, -2/+13And Microsoft never lies. never ever.
- Gohan5052, on 11/05/2007, -6/+2Im not saying MS is perfect but they have never pulled a bait and switch on me
- apoc06, on 11/03/2007, -2/+2well:
killzone look better than the trailer
heavenly sword looks better than the trailer
resistance looks better than the trailer
warhawk looks better than the trailer
genji looks like the trailer
gran turismo HD looks better than the trailer
unreal tournament3 looks like the trailer
uncharted looks better than the trailer
ratchet & clank looks like the trailer
motorstorm looks like the trailer
stranglehold looks like the trailer
formula one looked better than the trailer
Metal Gear Solid looks like the trailer
they may have problems here and there, but strictly graphically speaking... which E3 '05 games really have you so upset?
- KrustyTClown, on 11/05/2007, -2/+13And Microsoft never lies. never ever.
- Gohan5052, on 11/03/2007, -7/+2So what youre saying is that they did lie in 05 but its ok cause they wont do it again?
- mywhitenoise, on 11/07/2007, -6/+13Remember in E3 07 when the actual in game footage of Killzone looked better than the pre-rendered one showed 2 years earlier?
Same for uncharted, the graphics looks way better than the pre-rendered models they had for it years ago.
By the way, the demo for this game is out next Thursday.- DarkDx, on 11/03/2007, -6/+4except the hair, but still looked better. Motorstorm is the one that didn't come not even close :(
- KrustyTClown, on 11/05/2007, -2/+8I didn't see the trailer for motorstorm, but the visuals in the game are very nice.
- DarkDx, on 11/03/2007, -6/+4except the hair, but still looked better. Motorstorm is the one that didn't come not even close :(
- mywhitenoise, on 11/03/2007, -3/+2http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=8057148 ...
- Tahiri, on 11/03/2007, -1/+7"Remember E3 05'? When everyone was amazed about the Killzone trailer and they said it was 'Real Gameplay' but it turned out it they lied. None of "
I remember the day after that, the guy who said it admitted he got mixed up with Resistance and said that was the game shown in real time.
For someone pulling up such old news you'd think you'd have the follow up story. - Dan11023, on 11/07/2007, -0/+1FANBOY!!!!!!!!
- acurism, on 11/07/2007, -3/+15If you look at neogaf.com, you will see "actual" game play footage of Killzone 2 which looks amazing!
- colincornaby, on 11/05/2007, -11/+56From Naughty Dog's own web site ( http://www.naughtydog.com/jak1/20Questions.htm ):
"Q) What percent of the PS2’s power are you using?
A) People think of systems as glasses and ask: “how full is the glass”. Unfortunately, that isn’t how it works. Any developer who gives you a “percent of system used” answer is blowing smoke. The truth is that every developer uses 100% of the systems power on every game. Some just get more out of that 100% than others. And game after game, we ALL get more out of systems than we did on the previous title. Think of it this way. If the system is a glass, some developers pour in rocks till the glass overflows and then call it quits. They would claim that they use 100% of the systems space. And it is true that no more rocks fit. Some will even put in a rock too many and the game plays slow or runs funny. But there is still some space left for smarter developers. They pour pebbles into the cracks left by the rocks, and they get more into the glass. Then they call it 100% full. But some Developers will then pour in sand, to fill the cracks between the pebbles. They get even more out of the system, yet it is still just 100% full. Some developers go the extra distance, and they pour in water. Then the glass is truly full, right? Sure, but just for this title, because some of the rocks can be replaced with pebbles that do the same thing, if you work hard at it. And some of the pebbles can be made into sand. And some sand can be pressed to water. No developer ever gets a glass filled with only water, no developer has that much time, so no developer truly fills the glass. We just get more and more out of the 100%. "- KrustyTClown, on 11/06/2007, -3/+14Wasn't he referring to single core processers at the time, a little easier to develop for.
- volacide, on 11/06/2007, -4/+25That was before multicore processing in consoles.
- staticneuron, on 11/04/2007, -3/+4As said above that comment was reffering to extracting performance while the comments about multicore normally derive from the fact that some devs don't use Cores/SPE's at all. Either that or they have been using some unique benchmarking systems ( I heard devs have their hands on one) and they are using that to guage usage.
- Monkey12, on 11/04/2007, -2/+0Although I did like the comment. I somehow feel like I just got out of church.
- phrozenone, on 11/04/2007, -2/+5Cliffy B said himself that Gears of War was not running on all three cores of the Xbox 360......
- oDGuardian, on 11/05/2007, -2/+1Thus is the only reason the games graphics look great...but GoW's gameplay sucks major ass. The whole damn game is nothing but a huge glitch.
- Agret, on 11/04/2007, -0/+1Have you even played it? I know the multiplayer competetive modes suck ass but singleplayer & co-op have great gameplay.
- oDGuardian, on 11/05/2007, -2/+1Thus is the only reason the games graphics look great...but GoW's gameplay sucks major ass. The whole damn game is nothing but a huge glitch.
- Yassam, on 11/07/2007, -0/+1The PS2 had the first multi-core console CPU, which was the Emotion Engine. It addition to the main core, it had 2 vector units, which were separate arithmetic processing cores for the CPU. This is what made the PS2 more complex to program than other consoles last gen, since getting the most out of the two vector units ( VU0 and VU1 ) was a real headache for developers.
So the single core arguement used here against Naughty Dog's comment just doesn't hold guys. I think you're looking for excuses.
Also, these comments from Naughty Dog has nothing to do with single core or multi-core processors anyway, it is a general observation which is true for ANY console architecture, since no matter how much a console is being pushed, there will always be ways to push it further, there will always be ways to get more out of the available hardware (the point made using the analogy) and therefore you can not put a true figure on how much you're using/pushing a console.
So this 30% figure is blowing smoke. It effectively states there's over 3 times the performance to get out of the console. But by which measure? The CPU only? The CPU and GPU? The CPU and GPU within the system limits? There are bandwidth and design issues which means you will never get 100% theoretical performance. I'm sure you all accept that of course, but the point is, if because of these hardware issues and design limitations you can never get above say 50-60% using that same measure of performance, then that 30% figure becomes meaningless. For example, if 50% is the maximum achievable on the PS3 for numerous reasons, then that figure of 30% actually represents 60% of the power possible out of the console.
So like I said, what does that percentage represent anyway, because the power of the PS3 is not the Cell processor on it's own, it's Cell combined with the GPU, memory on a system board with the limitations of bandwidth and design.
- hadiz, on 11/05/2007, -5/+10Bottom line it's not that it is more or less difficult to program for- it is that it challenges developers to come up with creative ways to utilize what the PS3 is capable of. As the old saying goes, if it were easy everyone would do it.
- Jumangi, on 11/05/2007, -4/+3When I read this I can see you don't know a thing about software development.
- uncommonsmoke, on 11/05/2007, -0/+3Actually he's right. Instead of increasing the power of just one core, they add multiple cores to the machine and hand over the heavy work to the devs instead. It's now up to devs to multi thread every module in the game (AI, renderer, physics). 360 and current pc do it as well, it's just that the ps3 is guilty of having ***** tools for us to use.
- Jumangi, on 11/05/2007, -4/+3When I read this I can see you don't know a thing about software development.
- gotkarma, on 11/05/2007, -6/+6Only Dynasty Warriors 6 can complete the PS3.
- mywhitenoise, on 11/03/2007, -7/+2haha! What a ***** game, so many better games out right now than that crap.
- projjalc, on 11/05/2007, -0/+2"Only"?
- santasing, on 11/05/2007, -0/+2Love my PS3, but DW, never got into that stuff. But Bladestorm is a sure buy for me.
- EXreaction, on 11/05/2007, -10/+17So your telling me that the Cell is an extremely powerful processor? No *****. But does that mean the RSX (graphics chip) is that great and is only being used at 30%? Not in the least.
I could setup a quad socket mobo with 4 quad core cpus that cost $1k each, 64GB of ram, put in an older graphics card, and still wouldn't be able to play the latest games as well as a $1000 pc with a good graphics card.- WhereAmI, on 11/05/2007, -3/+8I thought we were passed the graphics thing. It's obvious that developers are making great looking games, so I guess there's someone out there that knows more than you and they are profiting from it.
- mythicflux, on 11/05/2007, -1/+9Isn't the RSX supposedly based on the Nvidia 7900 series GPU? If thats the case then it should be more than capable of processing any game at 720p resolution without issue for a good while to come. Using the PS3 upscaler hardware there is no reason 1080i/1080p based content shouldn't work just as well. ( I'm assuming that most developers are trying to render at a native 1080 resolution just for the same of simplicity) I mean considering I can run Bioshock at a minimum of 1280x1024 on my 7900GTX with at least 30 frames (actually a bit more but I forget the number) per second I'm sure there is ample power in the PS3's graphics system.
- jguy584, on 11/05/2007, -1/+8Unless those games were made to be run on CPU's....
- ktrough, on 11/05/2007, -5/+19Wow, what a bunch of uninformed comments (watch me get dug down for that).
Naughty Dog only used 30% of the console because they coded a lot of the game before they ever HAD the console. When you are working in a pre-release environment, you have to make guesses and assumptions about what the platform will be able to do and what it won't be able to do and you err on the side of caution because you want your code to work on the new box without being glitchy. If you over-stress the hardware, you kill your gameplay of course. Only when any gaming box is out in the world and established, do you see games that are fully tuned and fully utilize the hardware.
Thus has it ever been and thus will it ever be.- POPULATIONPASTE, on 11/05/2007, -2/+6Likewise, when you have 7 cores to work with, you're not gonna use all of them just for the sake of using them. To keep overall complexity down, they're going to use as few cores as possible. In this case, it's only 30%. In any case, it just goes to show that the PS3's bottle neck certainly isn't overall computing power. Keep in mind, the sega genesis had a processor with nearly 3x the clock speed of the snes, yet the snes out performed the genesis graphics wise. There is more to performance than raw processing power.
- neocr0n, on 11/05/2007, -4/+9The reason they don't get more than 30% out is the time involved. Once they have completed one game they will have a platform of already made kits and other various tools that will help them get more done next time round. Not to mention more experienced developers.
- hbfarker, on 11/06/2007, -5/+25The people posting comments on Ars Technica come off as anal a-holes. What I got from the 30% comment was that Naughty Dog has barely touched the surface of what the PS3 can do. That's not too hard to comprehend. The game looks stunning and the play mechanics look fun. What's not to like?
Between Uncharted and Ratchet & Clank, Santa might be putting a PS3 under the Christmas tree this year.- ScoobyG, on 11/06/2007, -3/+14You're sensitive and rational. No wonder you're being dugg down. That'll teach ya.
- Ohidjwae, on 11/06/2007, -0/+14Ratchet & Clank alone makes it worthwhile (in my opinion), especially if you're already a fan of the series. I'm maybe halfway through my first time through the game and it's potentially the best in the series. I can't wait to see what Insomniac will be be able to do with their NEXT game!
- WhereAmI, on 11/05/2007, -1/+6Resistance: Fall of Man II next year.
For the PS3 being so damn hard, Insomniac, a third party developer (third party published) is churning out GREAT PS3 games once a year so far.
- WhereAmI, on 11/05/2007, -1/+6Resistance: Fall of Man II next year.
- InfinitySnatch, on 11/05/2007, -1/+2Hey guys. Don't forget Haze guys. Everyone forgets Haze.
- lousyhunter, on 11/07/2007, -15/+11So if games are only using 30% power, shouldn't Sony be giving you a 70% refund?
- alperea, on 11/07/2007, -9/+4So how much of a refund will I get if I own.... 3..... PS3's?
- ryeland, on 11/06/2007, -1/+28Guys;
The most important thing to take from this article is that Naughty Dog is very optimistic about the capabilities of the PS3 and that they are being great in terms of sharing their acquired knowledge with the gaming community. Hell i wish all developers would share devkits and "secrets" so that we, the gamers, would benefit.
Look if PS3 sells well, everyone wins. That means that no one console maker believes they are invincible, and that means they will try to out-do/out-price/out-perform one another. If anyone here thinks that either the 360 or PS3 would be as cheap as they are right now without the other they are joking. Hell we probably wouldn't have seen something like the elite show up if the PS3 didn't come with standard hdmi support.
The more competition there is, the better.- DCstewieG, on 11/05/2007, -10/+1I disagree. Slightly. Sony needs to suffer for putting out a console that fights against developers. They got away with it with the PS2, but they might not be so lucky with the PS3. Maybe if they find that it helps to make a console gamer AND developer-friendly, the PS4 will have better games more quickly and with lower budgets. Microsoft got where it is today by fighting for developers, not against them. If they had put out the Xbox with PS2-like hardware and dev tools, we wouldn't have the 360 right now.
- hightower77, on 11/05/2007, -2/+1Developers! Developers! Developers! Developers! Developers! Developers!Developers! Developers! Developers! Developers!
I'm sorry, I couldn't help it... :-( - mythicflux, on 11/05/2007, -0/+5While I grant you that the word on the street is that Sony didn't provide enough 1st party support for developers I have to disagree that Sony should suffer. This is why: most of the developers complaining loudly are not even using Sony's tools exclusively. In fact most are using Epics Unreal 3 engine. This is important because of the things like the current Sillicon Knights lawsuit. In that lawsuit allegations are flying around that Epic intentionally sold devkits that were incomplete and had features missing. Obviously this may not be true but if it is, it leads to a very plausible problem that may not entirely have been Sony's fault.
Yes the blame for not having an appealing 1st party package may be Sony's fault but there is a big difference between having an unappealing product and a completely broken one. (Granted this is all based on rumor and speculation, I'm not a PS3 game dev so I can't state this as fact)
- hightower77, on 11/05/2007, -2/+1Developers! Developers! Developers! Developers! Developers! Developers!Developers! Developers! Developers! Developers!
- Tahiri, on 11/05/2007, -3/+4Sony put a lot of effort into making PS3 developer friendly. Many developers are saying it's easier to code for than PS2. And if you develop your game for PS3 first, and then port to 360, the 360 version will end up better than had you coded it for the 360 to begin with.
"Hell i wish all developers would share devkits and "secrets" so that we, the gamers, would benefit"
All PS3 developers do and must.- Agret, on 11/05/2007, -1/+1No they didn't, Microsofts devkit kicks Sonys ass.
- DCstewieG, on 11/05/2007, -10/+1I disagree. Slightly. Sony needs to suffer for putting out a console that fights against developers. They got away with it with the PS2, but they might not be so lucky with the PS3. Maybe if they find that it helps to make a console gamer AND developer-friendly, the PS4 will have better games more quickly and with lower budgets. Microsoft got where it is today by fighting for developers, not against them. If they had put out the Xbox with PS2-like hardware and dev tools, we wouldn't have the 360 right now.
- InSeverance, on 11/04/2007, -13/+5Just because the CELL is being used at '30%', doesn't mean the graphics are going to get any prettier people...
The only games to see a boost will probably be exclusives, which are hard to force down developers throats given the cold hard fact that there are more 360's in people's homes than there are PS3's.
It's unlikely (though not out of the question by any means) to see dev's go to the extra lengths to write more code when what is 'sufficient' has already been produced for the 360 port.- KrustyTClown, on 11/04/2007, -1/+3PC games do not utilize quad cores to their full potential. This is known already, quad cores are still ahead of their time. It is not a good comparison to the cell. The cell handles information different than a quad.
- KrustyTClown, on 11/02/2007, -0/+1Posted in wrong place, commence digg down
- Tahiri, on 11/04/2007, -1/+7"Just because the CELL is being used at '30%', doesn't mean the graphics are going to get any prettier people..."
Yes it does. Cell can assist the GPU, and does in games like Killzone.
- KrustyTClown, on 11/04/2007, -1/+3PC games do not utilize quad cores to their full potential. This is known already, quad cores are still ahead of their time. It is not a good comparison to the cell. The cell handles information different than a quad.
- Grivako, on 11/07/2007, -3/+7It's good that we have such articles on the net, otherwise, as gamers we would have little else to bicker about among ourselves. Console favoritism keeps us going during the day and helps us sleep at night. Having one side to stand on makes us feel secure in that we have chosen a side at the very least. This, in turn, spurs us on to help the industry jockey for superiority. Which leads to trying to develop more interesting and worthwhile concepts to entice not only people from the other side, but also to satisfy and increase the ranks of their own followers. It may lead to a good deal of spam, but it also leads to some thought out arguments as well. This will continue on in whatever field, be it games, music, movies, or the like. It's simply human nature.
- atomheart, on 11/04/2007, -15/+6I'm a big fan of video games, but I'm really getting tired of "Just wait!" talk from the PS3 camp. Remember when Lair was going to come out? Everyone said "Just wait! Here come the games!" Then the same with warhawk. Then Hevenly Sword. These tools list a bunch of future releases to back up their claim. I'm still waiting. EVERYONE is still waiting.
- ScoobyG, on 11/08/2007, -2/+11No they're not. Ratchet and Clank Future just came out :-)
- WhereAmI, on 11/08/2007, -1/+5What was wrong with Warhawk? Its a multiplayer only game that got high reviews except from PSM, who complained and gave it a low score because it was multiplayer only.
- KrustyTClown, on 11/08/2007, -1/+6Well, It depends on the person. I like halo, I spent plenty of hours on Halo when I was deployed. But if I had to choose, I would choose Warhawk. To me it's just funner. PSM Magazine gave Warhawk a really bad review, but I can care less, why? because that was the opinion of someone that probably was no good at it.
- Tahiri, on 11/08/2007, -1/+7Warhawk is awesome. You'd know that if you actually played it instead of relying on digg users like yourself.
- santasing, on 11/08/2007, -2/+3For the record, I think R&C is awesome, better than anything that's out right now, on any console or PC. HS and Lair got bad reviews, but I enjoyed those games a lot. And so did a lot of people.
- DarkShroud, on 11/08/2007, -1/+1And what's wrong with Lair? Anyone whose actually played Lair really doesn't have a problem with it. And Heavenly Sword, the game is fun and looks amazing. Is it short, probably, but wanting to play a game more means the devs did a good job.
These are first year system games and a hell of a lot better than what the PS2 had it's first year. And I'm talking quality, not just graphics & audio. When I play Heavenly Sword people ask me what I'm watching because they thing it's a CGI movie.
Soon I shall be onto R&C as well. My wallet is really taking a beating.
- schavira, on 11/02/2007, -6/+1I doubt it will be better than Crash 2/3/Jak 1. I still can't wait though.
- bj00rn, on 11/04/2007, -10/+4Jesus Christ, can we please stop citing Sony and Sony-tied companies when it comes to the PS3, the propaganda is just bad taste now.
- digudown, on 11/04/2007, -1/+3So no there should be no news about first party exclusives?
- bj00rn, on 11/04/2007, -1/+1Maybe I was unclear about what I meant, sorry:
It's not possible to have news about PS3 games without massive techno-babble-babble propaganda from Sony and their apprentices? Techno-babble never helped any system or games, just look at the Xbox (1), the 3D0, and what about Lair which was supposed to be the techno-Jesus of games on the PS3. Wii is now the top selling console by far, it's also by far the weakest one when it comes to graphical power.
The smoke and mirrors from Sony needed to stop a long time ago, and should start focusing on making exceptionally great games instead.
- bj00rn, on 11/04/2007, -1/+1Maybe I was unclear about what I meant, sorry:
- digudown, on 11/04/2007, -1/+3So no there should be no news about first party exclusives?
- weitek, on 11/04/2007, -9/+3I don't understand why everyone thinks this game looks so amazing. I've watched the trailers and they just don't look very impressive. Lots of lower quality textures using muddy/brown color palletes and relatively low poly models. I'm not surprised at all if they are only using a percentage of the systems power. They obviously weren't up to the task of creating content on the PS3. I mean look at Ratchet & Clank. That proves it can be done if developers just try hard enough.
- santasing, on 11/04/2007, -0/+2You must be confusing AC with something else. The graphics on this game are pretty much the best graphics I have seen on a console, except for Crysis which is on the PC.
- getatmedigg, on 11/05/2007, -0/+2Naughty Dog:Bring back Way Of The Warrior!
LOL.- KrustyTClown, on 11/05/2007, -0/+2Did they make that? I remember playing that on 3do
- hockey, on 11/05/2007, -0/+7These comments prove that the average digg user can no longer claim to be more tech savvy than the average joe.
- rwallen, on 11/04/2007, -6/+4I think the game looks like Tomb Raider with some guy instead of Laura. The original tomb raider was great but the play mechanics have been overdone now, even the last prince of persia was boring (I thought so anyway).
I hope the game does well but if this is just a tomb raider knock off (no matter how good it looks) it won't get me to buy a PS3. The game would need to be a complete package with an excellent story and wonderful level design to get me interested. Pretty graphics don't do it anymore.
Look at Valve's Orange Box as an example. It is running on an engine that debuted over 3 years ago. The games still look pretty good (but not top of the line anymore) but the story and game mechanics are fantastic. Halo 3 really isn't all that great looking but the online playing is fantastic. Graphics aren't the only thing selling games anymore, so lets hope they focused on more than how many polygons and neat lighting effects they could display.- digudown, on 11/04/2007, -2/+5And you concluded all this looking at a 30 sec trailer ?
- phrozenone, on 11/04/2007, -2/+3So let me get this straight as long as there is no monkey running it look like tomb raider.... I can't count on one hand the number of games that took place in a jungle before tomb raider.
- Jumangi, on 11/04/2007, -9/+2ohh look another PS3 developer doing making another "Look how big our PS3's D*CK is" comment. The more I hear them constantly have to talk about how awesome the Cell and Blu-Ray is the more I realize how scared they really are about the pit the PS3 is in right now.
- santasing, on 11/03/2007, -0/+3I don't think the devs behind RFOM, HS, R&C would agree. And I certainly don't think the devs behind AC would do so either.
- GeekyGerge, on 11/04/2007, -3/+1Only 30%?
- championchap, on 11/05/2007, -1/+3Crash WAS a franchise.
See that everyone? It WAS one.. so let it die already.
Nothing is going to top the real 3. - Dingo128, on 11/04/2007, -6/+1I am personally getting tired of hearing Game X is only using Y% of the game system! First of all how are they quantifying what the total processing power of a given system?
Lets just say that they can some how scientifically find out what percentage they are from peak performance, why not put that time instead to good use and add that value back into the game you are creating.- hockey, on 11/04/2007, -1/+3They use top :)
- khpmli, on 11/07/2007, -7/+6these % things are ALWAYS *****!
- Tahiri, on 11/07/2007, -1/+3All? All = 100%
Thus you admitted your own statement is BS
- Tahiri, on 11/07/2007, -1/+3All? All = 100%
- SaII, on 11/04/2007, -7/+1well if that game only used 30%, then I guess sony needs to make developing games for the PS3 more streamlined
- l00s3r, on 11/04/2007, -5/+2What an arbitrarily useless measurement! Are the games any good? Reminds me of the "Blast Processing" days and the claim that the Neo Geo was a 24 bit system (CPU 16 bit, Memory access 32 bit / 2 = 24 bit).
- TheBigBentley, on 11/07/2007, -7/+3Why does everyone think when a developer says they only use 30 percent of the cpu it means they can use the other 70 percent? Do me a favor and run a program on your pc that utilizes 100 percent of the cpu and try to tell me it doesn't run like crap. You cant use 100 percent of the cpu or you get bottlenecks and they probably cant really squeeze much more than another 30 percent out of the PS3 before you start to see a performance hit.
- santasing, on 11/07/2007, -1/+7His comment was more about what can be done on the PS3 vs. what they are doing. In context, he's saying that they have yet to properly use the architecture, which means, expect the sequel to Uncharted to be awesome.
- guruboyguru, on 11/07/2007, -2/+1I just ran WinRAR 100% on both cores. Went from 29C to 43C. Intense. Don't worry; they can do it. Halo 2 was a 100% load on the Xbox...on older versions of the console, some things didn't render as quickly as they were supposed to.
- bgalway, on 11/05/2007, -0/+3I understand what you are saying TheBigBentley but remember that the ps3 is playing games and thats all it is doing. its not running 40 different cpu processes in the background. load up some video conversion app, tell it to use 100% of both cpu cores as long as you dont try to do anything else navigating around that software is fine but when you start to browse have winamp running and utorrent that when things start chugging along
- jedi0utkast, on 11/07/2007, -2/+3Good, I am now 30% ready to buy a PS3.
- logga0, on 11/07/2007, -4/+2guys can't you see that this is sony propaganda!!!
".....to give you an idea of the power of the PS3, we're using only 30 percent of the Cell processor.
In terms of Blu-Ray, we just couldn’t have made Uncharted without it; with Uncharted we have almost filled it (91 percent)." - HertzaHaeon, on 11/06/2007, -3/+2Why don't they use 100% and give us a better game?
- DeepFreezed, on 11/06/2007, -4/+3thats because the rest is not usable. graphic card is too much of a bottle neck
- selfdisplaced, on 11/07/2007, -8/+2i'm glad i bought the two true next-gen systems...the Sony PS3 and the Nintendo Wii
The Xbox 360 is last gen. - oDGuardian, on 11/05/2007, -3/+1Ok...it doesnt really matter how much power Sony's PS3 Cell has...what does matter is the fact that most game developers dont know how to use, or could care less about Cell because of it being more challenging than the way they normally make them. That is what is hurting Sony and the PS3.
- Trat, on 11/04/2007, -0/+1Its not hurting us gamers. We now only get games from inteligent devs...
- MWeather, on 11/05/2007, -0/+2It didn't seem to hurt the PS2.
- pcpimpster, on 11/06/2007, -0/+2Who cares about this, we will ALL (360 & PS3 owners) be enjoying COD 4 tomorrow.
- flavindapple, on 11/05/2007, -0/+0Give this game a chance people. as far as it goes naughty dog develops amazing games, and you never know, it could be another game like ratchet and clank, and I've heard many fanboys say they would buy a ps3 just for ratchet and clank
- awdrifter, on 11/07/2007, -0/+2This article doesn't prove the PS3 is powerful, but it proves it's insanely difficult to write program for. If the game devs have to re-learn everything, basically start out from scratch, that will turn away many developers because they simply don't see it as a profitable investment in doing that. I bet that's part of the reason we didn't get Ace Combat 6 for PS3. It's traditionally a PS series game, and yet it moved to being a X360 exclusive this time. The difficulty of programming of the PS3 is probably a big reason for it.
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