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- b3owulf, on 11/17/2007, -22/+70Pretty much right on track with the 360... it'll be fun to see how well it sells this holiday season with the much more reasonably priced $400 model.
- pjb1816, on 11/17/2007, -8/+55I have played both the 360 and the PS3. I have a ps3, my roomate has a 360. Stop with all the comparisons and the hating. They're both great in their own ways. Cant we finally drop the fanboy bs?
- zirzop, on 11/17/2007, -20/+57I read some of the comments here and I get amazed how short sighted some of the comments are. Not to start wars or such but, I believe people who blindly say that XBox is a winner and PS3 is a looser are missing few points:
1) PS3 had sold as much consoles as XBox in its first year (compared to X360's first year). And it achieved this by being 600 USD, hot having games and having 2 strong competition. So if you factor in the revenue generated from the console (at 600 USD and more for international sales), you will see that Playstation brand is actually still very very strong. If other consoles were 600 USD, I strongly doubt they would have achieved a fraction of this 5.6 million.
2) Sony's heavy weights are still months away. XBox had all the big hits released (Halo, MassEffect, Bioshock etc.) and from now on, they do not have much sales boosters. On the other hand PS has a very strong lineup for the coming 4-5 months.
3) PS3 is a better deal in all aspects. Hardware wise, when I look at a XBox box, I see a plastic , cheap thing that is put together (And high failure rates confirm my view) where as PS3 from its box to the plastic material used, shows that the product was really designed to be high quality. You might say "wtf", but truth is, a products design details indicate how much a company is willing to transfer its wealth to its customers.
I say, Sony, with all its faults, have truly created a next gen system instead of playing marketing gimmicks (like XBox).
4) Sony's architecture is more complex , true. But think about this: What happens when the next gen arrives? Microsoft will have to move to multiple (many) cores as well. The whole world of computing is moving to CPU's with many cores, and Sony has done a tremendous job getting their hands dirty on this one before their competition. Sure, it costed them a lot of delays in games etc. But Sony and its developers are building an expertise that will last for a looong way. So come next round of console war, while Microsoft and its belowed developers are trying to figure out how to handle 6-7 cores, sony can just double the clock speed of its existing Cell processor cores and achieve 6-7x more speed.
So, bottom line:
Sony is in this for a long haul. They for sure created a masterpiece of hardware (even the most die hard XBox fan should accept that PS3 is a technological beast) and they are fixing the software side day by day.
You can always update the software / firmware etc. But you can not alter the shipped product. So I say, while XBox 360 has probably maxed out its potential (The fact that Halo 3 had to be upscaled shows that), PS3 is just beginning....
And finally, with more than 130+ Million PS2 base, Sony has not played its final punch yet. At some point, those guys will convert, and I do not know US but in Europe and pretty much rest of the world, Playstation is seen as "the" console. I personally know dozens of people who just lover their PS2 experience and have been holding off for PS3 to get a reasonable price...
2 years from now, most of the XBox 360 owners will be buying a PS3, but I do not think that there will be many reasons for a PS3 owner to switch to XBox...
We shall see... - addurobi, on 11/17/2007, -17/+52Best of luck, Sony.
- FUNKMASTERNICE, on 11/17/2007, -17/+50I just bought my PS3 yesterday. It's a really nice machine in my opinion - specially efter som of the software updates.
Happy bday! :) - atomicpoet, on 11/17/2007, -4/+37So a year has gone by, and we have two consoles that are pretty much the same, and one console that uses last gen GPU and CPU processing power with innovative controls. Amidst all the drama and fanboyism, who has won out? Gamers. This year has produced some of the most memorable games, exclusive or not.
On FPS games, we got Metroid Prime 3, Bioshock, and Unreal Tournament 3. Platformers have given us Ratchet and Clank as well as Super Mario Galaxy. We got one memorable hack and slash with Heavenly Sword. Even adventure gaming and on rails shooters have made a comeback.
Really, I don't want it to end. I don't want PS3 or 360 to come out on top. I want every console -- Wii included -- to capture 33% of the market. And more people to enjoy gaming than the typical hardcore. I want even better games to come out because the current crop is absolutely amazing. - Shaflugi, on 11/17/2007, -5/+33Nintendo continues to make the mistake of using ***** friend codes and having horrible online support. I love my Wii, but its innernets suck balls.
- dansmeek, on 11/17/2007, -17/+38no. microsoft just put together a gaming machine that was similar to a computer. seriously.
ps3 put a lot of design to make a true next gen gaming machine. the 7 spu's scream for programmers that "hey, use AI over here, use PHYSICS over here, etc etc. that way you can have great graphics with no slow down. (programmers are still not using the SPUs and just using the PPU to do everything which is a shame). great graphic processor, memory, and tons of storage via blu ray.
when square enix comes out with a game, in addition to gran turismo, you'll see what happens with the ps3 in the hands of talented developers.
microsoft is throwing money at al the companies that were on the playstation side. all the exclusives for the playstation have become ***** half assed games because microsoft gives them so much money to develop for 2 platforms. just look at what happened with Assassins Creed. Next will be GTA. Etc. It's a shame. The xbox360 really only has one exclusive and thats halo. but, it's gotten old. they wanted the xbox out quickly so they could destroy sony. they knew the PS3 was going to take a long time to get developers going. by putting out a console that was similar to a computer, they gave developers a nice purgatory piece.
if microsoft wins this console war, all that will happen is there will no longer be consoles. just mini computers that are specialized for video games. developers won't have that 'gaming architecture' to develop on. they'll have to develop extremely graphic heavy games on a machine designed to run operating systems.
what a waste. i still think the loyalists (many of whom have already bought an xbox) will come back to sony and ps3 when good games come on. - sanman, on 11/17/2007, -9/+28alright - I hate you
- charlescheese, on 11/17/2007, -30/+49I just hope it does as well as it should. It is such a great machine. It's well built, has great games, does everything you can think of, and at $400 is the best value proposition out there right now. If it doesn't do well this holiday, then people have no sense of good taste. It would be a shame to see a company innovate and pack in as many features as the PS3 has and see it fail. We will be sending all the wrong signals as gamers if the PS3 fails. We'll get more of the same, and we'll eat it in the end if we don't support innovation.
My warning to all is to look at what Microsoft did to the computer space. They created a monopoly for themselves and just look at the mess that Vista is. Period. That's the future of gaming if we give it to Microsoft. - StarlessKnight, on 11/17/2007, -1/+18And kill the drama? What'd be the point of reading these threads then?
- hadiz, on 11/17/2007, -8/+25They are really hitting their stride finally, and hopefully 2008 will be much better to the system than the last 1.25 years have been. Long gone are the days of inferior graphics and delays... or so I hope.
- atomicpoet, on 11/17/2007, -6/+23Technically, aren't all of them toys? I mean, they are called "games", right?
- bejayel, on 11/17/2007, -5/+21You mean.
Would you like a 360 with the old motherboard, the middle motherboard or the new one?
The 360 with the old processor or the new one?
The arcade, the premium, the halo, or the elite?
The one with HDMI or no HDMI?
Dont be scared to mix and match these. By the way, you will have absolutely noy way of telling which one you got. You MIGHT get HDMI, but you also might not. you MIGHT get the new chipsets and processor, but you might not. Good luck. - Encablossa, on 11/17/2007, -6/+22This place reeks of fanboyism! *takes off*
- dansvan, on 11/17/2007, -1/+17If you need to brag about how your ps3 is better than a 360, or vice versa, to feed your ego, please, for the love of God, kill yourself.
- ketha, on 11/17/2007, -4/+19Really? I think Sony long term might beat Microsoft... their system is futureproofed more... Xbox can keep issueing upgrades but that will start to grate with consumers after a while. I've had an xbox and a PS3 and I personally much prefer the ps3... it was too expensive to start with, and it doesn't have enough games but these are issues that time will heal...
sony need to improve their multimedia capabilities however, the power is there for them to become the defacto 'multimedia hub' if they so choose. - alchemist27, on 11/17/2007, -1/+14no one gives a *****
- inactive, on 11/17/2007, -7/+20PS3 lets me copy pictures/videos/music off of USB devices, CDs, DVDs, network shares. 360 only lets you stream, or forces you to rip audio CDs.
PS3 lets me run linux without hacking the hardware. PS3 lets me copy save games to USB devices and flash cards. No need for proprietary memory cards that only work on the system itself.
PS3 uses standard USB cables to recharge it's controllers, 360 requires proprietary cables.
PS3 uses standard bluetooth wireless headsets. 360 uses 360-specific proprietary ones.
PS3 uses HDMI 1.3, 360 uses HDMI 1.1. PS3 supports up to 7.1 surround sound. 360 is limited to 5.1
PS3 streams video to PSP over wifi, LAN and even the internet. 360 does not stream out anything.
PS3s online uses dedicated servers. 360s uses peer to peer.
PS3 lets me make UI themes. 360 lets you use a single background image.
PS3 has a built in web browser
PS3 lets you download games to 5 PS3s. 360 binds the game to your account, your harddrive and your 360.
PS3 lets me replace the harddrive with any store bought one. 360 requires specific ones from microsoft at massively jacked up prices.
The only reason 360 is getting more codecs is because PS3 came with a dozen and started a codec war.
360 only supported playing videos off USB and burnt CD/DVD a week before PS3 came out, again indicating it was due to PS3.
There are no 360s with built in wifi. - mustang460, on 11/17/2007, -5/+17yea because the 360 sold much better its first year...
http://vgchartz.com/hwlaunch.php?cons1=Wii®1=Al - Francky, on 11/17/2007, -2/+13its funny, when reading these comments I was thinking the exact opposite. I never turn on my 360 now. I almost exclusively use my PS3, be it for gaming or BluRay movies. If a game exist on both, why would I play it on the 360 and then be stuck paying a monthly fee to play online when I can do this for free on the PS3. Also why would I pay 1 or 2 dollar for icons or wallpapers ?! when this is all free on the PS3. The 360 pisses me off with all these "extra fees" for idiotic content, hence my preference for one that isn't all money grubbing :p
- flux1, on 11/17/2007, -4/+14The PS3 may be a fairly powerful machine, but it has some problems for it.
1. The graphics chip in it doesn't seem as powerful as the one in the 360. Modern games are held back more by the graphics card in PCs than the CPU. With so many games being cross platform now to make up for dev costs this translates to console performance too.
2. The Cell might be the most powerful processor ever, but that doesn't matter any if developers aren't using it. Unless you want to spend a ton of time optimizing your port for the PS3, or making a game PS3 only from the ground up, you won't be using all its ability for your game. Which in turn makes the 360 versions look better. (see Madden 08 being 60fps on 360 and 30fps on PS3)
3. The install base may be 5.6 million, but thats 5.6 million world wide. Most of the top selling games on the 360 are aimed at the American gaming market. Halo 3, Bioshock, Madden, ect are all games that sell well in America. Yes there are hits like Dead Rising from Capcom, but overall the system is aimed at the American market. 360 also has the highest attach rate and many 1 million+ sellers for it. Developers see this and if this is the market they are aiming for, are more likely to pick the 360. Even the Wii having sold the most consoles so far, is still worldwide. Overall the 360 is still currently the leader in the North American market. - IkeMavent, on 11/17/2007, -2/+12Sony needs to get movies and TV shows up on the PSN like Microsoft has, and they need to get more old sk00l games up...right now Microsoft's online offerings are far ahead of what the PS3 has to offer...and I own ONLY a PS3, so don't peg me for a Microsoft troll
- leejae, on 11/17/2007, -10/+20I play my Nintendo Wii way more than my Xbox 360
- carpespasm, on 11/17/2007, -0/+9/sarcasm?
- Izacus, on 11/17/2007, -6/+15It's so funny when people without basic knowledge of computer architecture lecture about PS3's processor superiority.
Please... stop buying the Sony's FUD. - chingy1788, on 11/17/2007, -2/+11I wouldn't go that far, the PS3 is following the 360 in sales
- flux1, on 11/17/2007, -0/+8Maybe not, but its the biggest market for the video game industry. All 3 systems have sold more there than any other region.
- capiCrimm, on 11/17/2007, -7/+15you clearly have no concept of Embrace, Extend, and Extinguish. Microsoft has fought tooth and nail to win over the gaming community, and as soon as they extinguish all competitors they will extinguish all funding and innovation. It's their tried and true method.
- MXracer250f, on 11/17/2007, -2/+10It was a slow first year, but it'll definitely pick up in 2008 with games like MGS4, Resistance 2, God of War 3, etc. I own a 360 but i'd be happy to pick up a PS3 at some point, the system isn't dead by any means. That being said, it won't catch the 360 or Wii saleswise this generation.
- Wisgary, on 11/17/2007, -4/+12You do know the 360 has 3 cores right?
- inactive, on 11/17/2007, -2/+10I prefer PS3 versions. Free online. No restrictions on save games. No RRoD.
- omgroffles, on 11/17/2007, -0/+8The resurrection of Sega of course.
- alchemist27, on 11/17/2007, -1/+9I'm not much a fan of the ps3 either, but that was a pretty douchey call
- ScionX, on 11/17/2007, -0/+7"18.94M > 13.87M? Must be some kind of new math"
No, I'm pretty sure 18.94M has always been greater than 13.87M. - bdorry, on 11/17/2007, -1/+8Actually Sony put lots of time into reinventing the wheel, breaking game programming conventions and over complicating their console's architecture. While it theoretically is incredibly powerful under the most perfect conditions, its been documented time and time again that the architecture they went with is incredibly powerful for doing tasks like Folding@Home; gaming..not so much.
I do think some great stuff will come out of the system for sure, and I'll get one when my I've got more incentive to. However I think the truly amazing stuff that people expect from all developers will only be coming from the large studios (Konami, Capcom etc), at least for a while. Between deadlines and ever increasing budgets, it would be hard for me to justify spending 100% on making PS3 games when you have other options available that not only cost less to produce, and your programmers don't completely need to relearn how to program for the system. - pooper, on 11/17/2007, -6/+13Don't forget all the crappy minigames. Name a great third party game for the Wii that's NOT full of mini games and tacked on, gimmicky controls.
- rusty123jimi, on 11/17/2007, -6/+13I couldn't of said it any better!
- evi1, on 11/17/2007, -4/+11However the attribute fun is not exclusive to toys, your argument and logic fails.
- bdorry, on 11/17/2007, -0/+7All for the cost of $2000 way more often than console gamers will ever be required to get a new console, sounds like a bargain to me
- dansmeek, on 11/17/2007, -1/+8if that's the case then microsoft is the next sony.
then who will be the next microsoft is the question? - carpespasm, on 11/17/2007, -0/+7not true, it's also a good way to watch youtube and browse the web on your tv. does the 360 have a web browser?
- dsmx, on 11/17/2007, -0/+6OR it could be that vgchartz is where they got that figure from
- capiCrimm, on 11/17/2007, -2/+8*hug* -- wait, damnit you screwed me up. I ***** hate you.
- fallenone05, on 11/17/2007, -12/+17innovation:
eye of judgement, motion control, all the new games coming for the playstation eye camera, integrated browser (which was not available on the previous console, and yes, the Wii has one too), Home, MMOs coming to ps3, only console that plays hi-def out of the box, etc..
360's innovation: games with better graphics than the original xbox and an improvement on their online service compared to the original service - inactive, on 11/17/2007, -1/+6Yes it does. PS3 supports the exact same UPnP streaming protocol 360 does. Windows Media Player will even stream to PS3.
- louiedog, on 11/17/2007, -9/+14I don't have a Wii and have no intention of getting one, but I gotta give any motion control innovation to Nintendo. Games for the PS3 have motion controls that are more or less tacked on and completely unnecessary.
- louiedog, on 11/17/2007, -1/+6Yup, that's how I feel. I much prefer the PSP hardware to the DS. I prefer one large, beautiful screen to the two smaller DS screens. For every game that takes advantage of them there are 10 where it feels unnecessary. I prefer the controls, I could care less about the touch screen. It often feels tacked on, like motion controls in PS3 games. But there are only 2 or 3 games that I'd play on the PSP compared with the tons of great titles that the DS has.
- volacide, on 11/17/2007, -3/+7You act likes sales have no impact on the end consumer. If a product sells poorly and you like that product, chances are you're going to be SOL because they're going to stop manufacturing that product and stop supporting it. Sales mean everything, they mean more to the corporations yes, but ultimately it impacts us as well.
- thomas, on 11/17/2007, -5/+9I don't own any of the current gen consoles (WoW Addict) so I don't really care, but I think it is funny that the Wii has sold more units than both the X-Box 360 and the PS3.
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