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- Mejogid, on 10/11/2007, -4/+42"The analyst who made these remarks to GameDaily.biz, Michael Savner,"
So why is this article linked to joystiq? Seriously, they virtually never add anything more useful than a digg description, and it's a pointless extra click to get to the original, full article. - shadus, on 10/11/2007, -5/+33You know, regardless of where the link is and what not, he's right... a $200 price cut would drive the ps3 sales above the wii's sales even... i doubt they could keep them on the shelves anymore than Nintendo has been able to with the wii. A $200 price cut would virtually ensure everyone I know would get one... as stands I know one person with a ps3 and he also has 18k in his "home theater" setup... everyone else even those with 1080 capable tv's and who have a few thousand dollars spent on their entertainment centers just refuse to buy it at the price it's at.
A) Price, Price, Price
B) Lack of Good Games *CURRENTLY*
C) The online store could use some more stuff honestly
That would pretty much fix the PS3's dilemmas in a single go. The wii could fix it's most significant dilemma by getting the online stuff working NOW. - inactive, on 10/11/2007, -1/+21I should have that guys job, I'm sure they pay him quite well to say the obvious.
- Salgat, on 10/11/2007, -5/+24That only goes so far. Only so many people will pay $600 for a few good games.
- crackedplastic, on 10/11/2007, -3/+19mejogid is right. I don't know why source content can't simply be linked.
Link to actual article: http://biz.gamedaily.com/industry/feature/?id=16277 - FutureSandwhich, on 10/11/2007, -2/+16Analysts also said the Wii would fall short of the PS3 in sales.
- therealknewman, on 10/11/2007, -3/+15I agree with Savner, the industry is being hurt by Nintendo. The industry needs to be hurt by Nintendo, publishers gotta to stop sending crap out to the consumer. I say the real problem with the indusrty is the low standards that consumers have regarding games. By purchasing games with no creative merit and flashy graphics we are sending out the message that we are simpletons who like shiny things. Start putting some thought into these games, and there will be a return. Oh, and maybe I will be buried for this, but sony is getting what they deserve with this ps3 business.
- Zamfir, on 10/11/2007, -6/+16Mmmm... Joystiq blog-SPAM - YUM! What a horrible place to get your "gaming" news... Another fine Joystiq PS3 FUD submission YAY!
- inactive, on 10/11/2007, -2/+12Who cares what this analyst says. Sony is not in it to win the sales wars for 2007. And probably not even 2008.
- Homunculiheaded, on 10/11/2007, -11/+19Remember when people used to argue that PC gaming was just too expensive? The PS3 has made it look like the cheap alternative. I just built a amd x2 4800+, 2 gig ram, nvidia 7900GS, 250 gig hd, for $700. It runs oblivion at pretty close to full settings very well (I turned down the grass), and it happens to also be a great computer. I just can't imagine justifying spending $600 on a console whose performance is not all that difference from a similarly priced PC except it doesn't have any of the functionality a PC offers.
- Shanobi, on 10/11/2007, -2/+8Is it Nintendo's fault that 3rd party developers had chosen to follow a sinking ship over a year ago? Maybe if those developers had paid attention to what happened at the E3 show, with the 5 plus hour long lines for the wii versus 25 minute waits for the PS3, and said, "Is it worth us having to sell 500,000 copies of a game for PS3 just to break even, when everybody seems to be interested in the Wii", they might have been faring better?
Maybe, just maybe, they can blame themselves.
Just like they can blame themselves for Nintendo's first and second party games thwomping the stuffing out of the 3rd party stuff. It's not Nintendo's fault that 3rd party developers try to make crap games as fast as they can, just to be on the shelves.
As for the next gen graphics, if things never progressed beyond the last generations graphics my life wouldn't end. I would rather have seen system upgrades, than 4-600 dollar new systems that really offer nothing new beyond bells and whistles. Halo 3, will play JUST like Halo 2, minus topical differences. GTA 4 will play just like 3, and so on, and so forth. - Sniper, on 10/11/2007, -0/+6http://vgchartz.com/hwcomps.php?cons1=PS2®1=All&cons2=PS3®2=All&cons3=X360®3=All&align=1
- jmdajr, on 10/11/2007, -6/+11360 will match that price drop if it ever comes.
Sony needs more than a price drop. It needs some good software. - cherrj, on 10/11/2007, -12/+17The PS3 has only been out for 6 months. In those six months it has sold more than the 360 and the ps2 did in their respective times. Digg is being flooded with too many of these stories. Give the console some more time before we mark it doomed
- JayD16, on 10/11/2007, -1/+6If thats all you think the PS3 has over the PS2 I'm 100% certain you don't have one.
- imacashew, on 10/11/2007, -1/+6I think if Sony had implemented a $100 price cut a long time ago, then a $200 dollar price cut wouldn't be necessary now, but it is. Good luck sony, you've officially F'd yourself in the A
- inactive, on 10/11/2007, -12/+17Give the ps3 some time. In a year or so the march of technology will take its gpu and bluray player down a few pegs and make it cheaper to manufacture. It will will be in a pricing sweet spot and proceed to kick the crap out of the wii and 360. I have no doubt that the ps3 will pickup where the ps2 left off.
- Sniper, on 10/11/2007, -0/+4Sony makes a ton of money on PS2 sales, why would they kill that off?
- UberC, on 10/11/2007, -6/+10You are absolutely wrong. The ps2 sold way more than the ps3 during the same time period after launch.
- shockeriv, on 10/11/2007, -0/+3I would like to go one step further and state that if they started giving consoles away for free, the maximum amount of people would own a ps3.
I should become an analyst. - TheTjalian, on 10/11/2007, -0/+3Wii is HURTING the industry? What the hell? If it wasn't for the Wii, no-one would of even remotely thought of innovation past a graphics level! If anything, Wii has saved the industry from the same fate it would eventually met 20 years ago. This stupid suit has no clue.
Yes, research was made in next-gen graphics - so what? All you need to do is expand your current knowledge and graphical prowess from the Gamecube to the Wii. It's even the same architecture! Please, stop your whining. This suit is just made that he can't show off even more by saying "He bought 3 hyper expensive consoles all at launch".
And, of course PS3 would sell more if it has a $200 price drop, no *****. However, what this analyst hasn't seem to taken into account fully is that Sony needs to *raise* the price by $200 to recuperate losses. If Sony drops the price by $200 now, there won't be a company left to make the PS3 by 2011. - Owange, on 10/11/2007, -0/+3I see what you did there.
- inactive, on 10/11/2007, -5/+8ahawks...you sure as ***** don't speak for anyone else on this planet on ANY subject and never will. So never use the term "we" like that again.
Hate to break it to you, but the average consumer does not have this pathetic hatred of Sony. You..and Digg...is not typical. - mousky, on 10/11/2007, -0/+3Is it me or that one of the most poorly-written write ups? Who knew you could use "believes" three times in two sentences.
- jeepnut24, on 10/11/2007, -4/+7Ill take quality graphics AND game play long before Id take poor graphics and quality gameplay. Why not buy a console that offers both. Nintendo is to blame for lowering the bar for the COMBINATION of graphics and gameplay. Simply put you can have HD graphics and great gameplay and this has been shown again and again. Nintendo just happened to miss the boat again. Oh and that doesn't even consider online play where they are now two generations behind.
- dominiccarr, on 10/11/2007, -0/+3200 off would be just about enough to get me to consider buying one.
- EDmAN, on 10/11/2007, -15/+18The PS3s price is only $100 too high in my opinion, look at the PS3s features compared to the overpriced 360Elite(wannabeaPS3) . I personally think its a lack of games and a hundred bucks keeping the PS3 down.
- trunk8, on 10/11/2007, -0/+3One simple question: Were "analysts" saying the Xbox 360 needed a $200 price cut after it launched when it sold 50,000 less units than the PS3 in the same time frame? No. This is more of the same "I hate Sony because that's the cool thing to do" *****.
The PS3 doesn't need anything other than some good exclusive games. I didn't even need that to buy one (I know they're coming), I bought one last week just because of the 1.80 firmware and the fact that all PS/PS2 titles are now upscaled to 720p/1080i/1080p (and they look AMAZING). I own a 360 and I love it (hands-down the best for online-play), but I don't see Microsoft's backwards compatibility doing that. Let's stop with all the PS3 doom sayer *****, people will and are buying it without a $200 price cut and it's even selling faster than the 360 did after it's launch. - EochaidRiata, on 10/11/2007, -0/+3By the time GT5 is released the PS3 will probably be $300. I am still waiting for GT-PSP that was promised for Summer 2005.
- MrSteamTank, on 10/11/2007, -0/+3Why not cut the cost of playstation 3's by 400 dollars instead of 200? I mean they'll sell even more and they'll be priced lower than the wii!
As exk0n pointed out ps3's cost sony 800 bucks a pop to produce. If sony tried to pull a stunt like this microsoft would either match it(since they are making the 360's at nearly half the price of ps3) and bleed Sony out.
Unlike in the old playstation 2 days when Sony is facing a coorporation who has pockets as deep as their own.
Nintendo is in another league because they are strong because of a smart business sense and the nostalgia factor among gamers. I'm not slamming the wii or Nintendo. I'm just saying the memories of things when you are younger develops a strong association and it's essentially the advantage the first industry leaders get. I mean look at batman, spiderman, and superman. All those characters are still going strong mainly due to the nostalgia of having grown up with them much like Mario, Zelda, and Metroid. Even the Ipod gets this "cult" status for simply being the industry leader in mp3 players at the beginning.
Now back to the topic on hand. I think Sony right now due to the price of their system has dug them a hole since they can't be flexible in their pricing at all unlike the 360 and the wii. Hopefully no console will bomb this time around because the more consoles do well the more intense the competition is the next round. 8) - dagamer34, on 10/11/2007, -1/+3Playstation software was rarely theirs. It was mostly 3rd party games. And Sony managed to piss them off very well with the PS3.
- knite, on 10/11/2007, -0/+2I wouldn't say Sony should have killed off the PS2 when the PS3 launched. I mean, why would they? The PS2 is going for 8 years, while the XBOX only lasted 4 years. I think it is important for consoles to last long instead of getting ditched in favor of the newer console. It's great that the PS2 is getting titles into 2008. By then, the PS3 will be picking up steam.
- torifile, on 10/11/2007, -2/+4@Homunculiheaded
"Remember when people used to argue that PC gaming was just too expensive? The PS3 has made it look like the cheap alternative. I just built a amd x2 4800+, 2 gig ram, nvidia 7900GS, 250 gig hd, for $700. It runs oblivion at pretty close to full settings very well (I turned down the grass), and it happens to also be a great computer. I just can't imagine justifying spending $600 on a console whose performance is not all that difference from a similarly priced PC except it doesn't have any of the functionality a PC offers."
Last I checked $600 was less than $700. And it can run Oblivion with everything on. And it's an actual PC if you want it to be. You know you can install Linux on it, too, right? The PS3 is a very capable computer/media center. It's too expensive as a console but it's just about right as a computer. - dandonia, on 10/11/2007, -0/+2I dont think the PS3 has been held down, its sold more than a third of what the 360 has and its been out a year less and hasnt had its first full Christmas yet, This christmas will be huge for sony if they sell lots of PS3's then in april a price cut should come. But 100bucks is a little much if you ask me.
If im sony 50 sounds more like it, and because a lot more people will buy one this christmas, the demand will go up - apoc06, on 10/11/2007, -0/+2youve made a grand realization, so why dont you buy one? you shouldnt have any problems finding them =)
i enjoy my xbox360 as well, make no mistake. its given me a few problems with freezing and DREs, but nothing major. i just dont like the idea that i have to fear doing something as simple as watching dvds in it. i run folding@home on my ps3 with no problems, but i will be damned if i leave anything like that running on my xbox360. - frygar, on 10/11/2007, -0/+2Sssh, don't do that, can't disrupt the lynch mob, lest they forget they probably played and enjoyed a Final Fantasy (I'm going to go with VII because that's one everybody knows...) or a Metal Gear Solid or a Street Fighter Alpha or a Gran Turismo on a *gasp* Sony-made video game console.
- EatingPie, on 10/11/2007, -9/+11@aretoodeto : "It seems like the Xbox 360 is the only thing developers have to work with at this point if they are going to focus on graphics and making a profit."
You obviously havent seen demos for LittleBigWorld and Lair, nor have you noticed that a ton of coming games are not exclusive to the 360, but being developed for both. If they couldn't make a profit, why would game makers be making games for the PS3?
-Pie - ptacnik, on 10/11/2007, -20/+22hahahaha to recover from what!!?? bad hype? the sales for the first six months are only slightly less than the 360 and continue to grow. Man people just can't stop making it worse that it really is can they?
- dagamer34, on 10/11/2007, -0/+2But it's only recently that you can buy a console for purposes OTHER than playing games on it. If you buy a PS3 and no games, then Sony has lost a LOT more money than if you never bought it at all.
Before, you could always count on people to buy a few games otherwise they would never even consider the console to begin with.
So:
1) No one buying the console = loss
2) People buying the console but much fewer games = loss - Elranzer, on 10/11/2007, -0/+2The $600 at least should have included one of those $8 HDMI cables, or component cables. It's just that Sony is in league with every other electronics manufacturer to try and hide the fact that there are $8 HDMI cables out there.
- larfus, on 10/11/2007, -0/+2My cousin just bought one and I would of thought they would of thrown in another game controller for that price.
- apoc06, on 10/11/2007, -0/+2dont blame nintendo, blame the third party publishers. the ones trying to make a quick buck off of the cheap-to-develop nintendo wii fad. those are the ones responsible for most [not all] but most of the crap games. nintendo needs more first party games, and less minigame compilations. the third party publishers have the minigame trend on lock, nintendo needs to focus on releasing their epic franchises in a timely fashion.
nintendo seems to be doing their best, but its been six months and alot of their "promises" have fallen to the wayside. [online, first party release dates, dvd playback, colors, et al ] if the wii is bringing in new players, i dont see them hurting the industry. if the wii is simply stealing away previous ps2 or xbox owners, then yes... it does hurt the industry by holding back technology.
the ps3 has been out for the same duration of time, and other than a few notable exceptions... there is a steady stream of fulfilling their promises so far. at $600, there NEEDS to be. - Sniper, on 10/11/2007, -1/+3No, because their just that. ANALysts.
- shug7272, on 10/11/2007, -2/+4I am a Playstation fan and own a Sony HDTV, so please dont take this as bad mouthing. But I agree with the price cut.
- psyonide, on 10/11/2007, -0/+2"So why is this article linked to joystiq? Seriously, they virtually never add anything more useful than a digg description, and it's a pointless extra click to get to the original, full article."
So true. I do get tired of petty blogs getting the credit just for copy/pasting quotes off REAL news sites and making inane comments on them. - Sirsri, on 10/11/2007, -3/+4The PS3 needs probably 3 games that don't suck, which are exclusives, and it needs them fast.
For example if they had (and these titles have to not suck)
FFXIII
Lair
A full driving game
They wouldn't be able to keep them on shelves. People will pay if there are games they want. When the 360 has gears of war, you have resistance fall of man, and everything else is on either platform, people will choose the cheaper platform.
I hate to say it, but the reason the 360 hardware is cheap is because it sucks. Not that specs, the specs are fine. The engineering is terrible, high failure rate, even on the 'elite' model, and it sounds like a jet engine. But the dude at GameStop/EB or Walmat can't tell you that when you buy it.
Sony needs to sort out the software side of things, and microsoft desperately needs to fix the hardware they've shown no interest in fixing (e.g. the elite). Sony has an easier time of it, since any major software fixes (dev tools and availability) effects every console out there, whereas microsoft might be able to make consoles that don't die constantly, but that doesn't help those of us with the old ones.
Since I got my PS3 I haven't touched the 360 for anything I can play on both, I find using the PS3 a much better experience than using the 360, however (excluding PS2 games) the 360 has a better library.
Something else sony probably should have done is tried their best to kill off the PS2 fast. When the 360 came out almost nothing came out for the xbox, and that moved people to the new console. There's still way too much good stuff comming out for, or on the books for (in 2007) the PS2, while that happens the PS3 won't take off.
I haven't touched my Wii much since I finished zelda. Given the choice, the PS3 is better for the same game (duh), as is the 360. But nintendo is doing an OK job with the software side. The gimmicky controller has gotten old for me already however. - pixelate, on 10/11/2007, -4/+5to paraphrase one Steven Colbert...
Reality has a well-known anti-PS3 bias. - waterdrop, on 10/11/2007, -5/+6I'll buy one for $199, but only if Gran Turismo 5 is included. Otherwise I'll stick with my Xbox 360.
- ahawks, on 10/11/2007, -18/+19Because the PS3 embodies everything we hate about the modern gaming industry.
(view the consumer as a "consumer" e.g., ignore their desires, treat them like sheep, give them more explosions and flashy lights. Pack the device full of technology very few people care about and double the price. Break every promise you've made about manufactured quantities and ship dates.) - fraggle35, on 10/11/2007, -2/+3They could also try fairer pricing, I'm not going to pay £130 more just because I live in the U.K. in fact Sony can ***** right off.
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