digg

Join DiggAbout

Discover the best of the web!
Learn more about Digg by taking the tour.

See the original image at arstechnica.com

A $40 demo? Ars review of Gran Turismo 5: Prologue

arstechnica.com — Would Gran Turismo 5: Prologue stand on its own two feet? Probably not, but that doesn't take away from what's an amazing, but flawed, release. Ars reviews the first chunk of Gran Turismo 5.

Bury
show profanity settings
expand all
  • havshaj, on 04/22/2008, -31/+16what's $40 when you could be driving the ferrari f2007 formula 1 car around the tracks with a big smile on your face? :D
    • DCJoeDogaswell, on 04/22/2008, -5/+60$40
    • logicalnoise, on 04/22/2008, -12/+17roughly 59 white castle cheese burgers
      3-4 dvds from deepdiscount.com
      as much free porn as you want.
      2 circuits at my local pro am go kart track
      4 tickets to a movie
      or an awesome amount of marshmallows.
      • mywhitenoise, on 04/22/2008, -16/+93-4 dvds? download them, or get netflix.
        as much free porn as you want? ...that doesn't cost $40
        4 tickets to a movie? WASTE
        • jakobmakob, on 04/22/2008, -3/+3Yes, you could download them, but it's just a comparison to what $40 gets you
          That was a joke about the porn thing, obviously.
          I agree with you on this one.
        • dandonia, on 04/23/2008, -2/+1Movie tickets are not a waste, but if you were offered to play GT5P for as long as you want or watch 4 movies 1 time - you would clearly take the game. Well, unless you hate racing games or the movies were special. So if I could watch independence day, Titanic, Batman Begins and The Dark Knight, I personally would take the tickets over the game. But I can't so the game will have to do. Shame.
      • WhereAmI, on 04/22/2008, -8/+10There isn't a White Castle near me, I'd have to go to Chicago. So thats like 80$ of gas. ***** you and your logic and ***** White Castle.
        • DarkSamus, on 04/24/2008, -1/+1i suggest you watch hk go to white castle while i munch on these jalapeno cheeseburgers
      • Le3f, on 04/22/2008, -8/+6Is anything on your list supposed to be better then GT5?
        • warkwark, on 04/22/2008, -8/+5All of it is.

          Even the White Castle.
          • leonhyral, on 04/22/2008, -5/+4ESPECIALLY the White Castle.
          • Ashkc88, on 04/23/2008, -2/+3Too many little onions... :(

            ...and not enough meat. (I know, I know, that's what she said)
        • mywhitenoise, on 04/22/2008, -3/+8porn is.
      • feliks2, on 04/22/2008, -6/+5White castle is *****.
  • staticneuron, on 04/22/2008, -42/+78This honestly makes no sense. For one he talks about the content. IMO, if he has paid for warhawk or games like shadowrun then it is way more than he should be used to getting. Besides, how many 'demos' give you 6 tracks and over 60 cars? None.

    Then there is the physics and penalty aspect. You can adjust them yourselves. If you want the game to be more arcade like. Turn on all the assists and leave it at standard physics and keep your cars on automatic. But if you really want to go at it like a simulation turn of the assists and set it to manual and professional. The game isn't flawed if you 'choose' to play it liek an arcade game or if you 'choose' to try to exploit it. If you play the races like you are racing a car, you hit the wall and then you would either spinout or reduce greatly in speed (in s class receive a penalty).

    If you rent this game, I would be surprised if you made it to S class which unlocks Qt tune which is what makes prologue worth it.

    IMO, he is right in saying that this is will make you want to see GT5 but I disagree with his demo statement. I have never played a 'demo' with this much content depth and replay. I have 4 videos on my GT TV not to mention the track rundowns, the 16 player online play and the sequential classes to go through and otain 60+ cars. This doesn't sound like a demo to me..... more like..... a little bit like...... a prologue.
    • logicalnoise, on 04/22/2008, -12/+25it does make sense. You said it yourself. your 40 dollars just gets you something that makes you want to spend another 60 on the real game. If it was an enclosed game you'd be set for another 4 years til GT6 comes out.
      • mywhitenoise, on 04/22/2008, -17/+19Gran Turismo 3 made me want to buy Gran Turismo 4. MGS3 made me want to buy MGS4. God of War 2 makes me want to buy God of War 3...see where I'm getting at?

        The great thing about Prologue is that I can sell it for $20 a few months before the final release and transfer all my content. $40 to play part of a game a year in advance isn't a big deal. Get a job.
        • logicalnoise, on 04/22/2008, -24/+8so you finished GT3 so quickly it made you desperately await GT4? sounds like a bad deal to me. also you expecting to get half the costs of a year old game is pretty funny.
          • logicalnoise, on 04/22/2008, -22/+4you guys were right to digg me down I meant "year old demo"
        • wageslaven, on 04/22/2008, -14/+18"$20 a few months before the final release"

          Good luck with that. After GT5 is released, the demo will be worth $0. The demo will have almost no used value.
        • mywhitenoise, on 04/22/2008, -6/+23It wont let me respond directly to wageslaven.
          Oh well, $40 for a game I get to preview a year in advance isn't that big of a deal. You have no problem paying $50 a year to play online on your 360, I have no problem paying $40 for a decent preview of a game.
        • 77boy84, on 04/23/2008, -12/+4When did anyone bring up the 360?
          Honestly, you can bash the price of Live all you want, but when you bring it up when no one's talking about it, you just end up looking like a fanboy.
    • Darrelc, on 04/22/2008, -12/+64"Besides, how many 'demos' give you 6 tracks and over 60 cars? None. "
      Any how many demos cost 40 bucks?
      • DFENS, on 04/22/2008, -12/+24None. Therefore it's not a demo.
        • Tserk, on 04/22/2008, -16/+16Then it's a pretty ***** full release that comes in two parts and costs $100. But who gives a ***** about those details when you're a fan boy, right? (Btw, I own both a ps3 and gt5. It's a demo).
          • DarkPrince11, on 04/23/2008, -2/+10It's not a full release. It's a PROLOGUE.
          • modifiedbears, on 04/23/2008, -0/+3It's not a release, it's just 2/3 the price of one.
        • kanariya, on 04/23/2008, -1/+6You have the OPTION to NOT BUYING this.
          It's still a $60 game. Just wait?

          If you chose to buy it, and bitch about it. Cry me a river.
          Sony did not hand you the Prologue with a gun on your head. Keep crying.
        • etruscan, on 04/23/2008, -1/+1I own it. It's not a "demo" because it contains a lot more than a demo ever would. But it's nowhere near being finished either, so I feel like it was a little over-priced at $40. Still, I'm enjoying it a lot... so it could be worse.
      • KMartSheriff, on 04/22/2008, -11/+6Is it called GT5 Demo? No asshead.
      • NipGrip, on 04/22/2008, -9/+7Didn't the Halo 3 beta come only when you paid $60 for Crackdown?

        There is value in near everything to someone and if there's enough people willing to pay $40 for a nice early taste of GT5, who freaking cares?
        • Sairgem, on 04/22/2008, -4/+7Except you got a full game for your $60. Not a partial release of a game that you have to spend $40 to get, then another $60 when the real game comes out, putting you at $100 for one game.
          • PleaseJustDie, on 04/22/2008, -2/+9you don't have to buy prologue, you can sit on your ass and wait for GT5 all you want and then only pay 60 dollars when it comes out. There is no stipulation anywhere that says "Gran Turismo 5 Prologue required to play Gran Turismo 5" So if you don't think paying 2/3rds the price for 2/3rds of a game is worth it, then don't ***** buy it. However I greatly enjoy Prologue and I don't think it is a waste of 40 bucks and I will continue to enjoy it until I get GT5.
          • Dochtuir, on 04/23/2008, -0/+2but crackdown was awesome.
          • Cerialthriller, on 04/24/2008, -1/+1wait if prologue is 2/3s of a game then the full one will only have 9 tracks and 100 cars? I'd rather keep playing GT3
    • thebaron2, on 04/22/2008, -5/+9Horrid online play? "Ghosting" if the game decides you made an "unexpected movement"? A linear progression of "D class: 10 races, C class: 10 races, etc...? Single player beatable in 1-2 sittings? Grinding for cars because your forced to use them? These are just the things I remember off the top of my head, there are many more valid complaints.

      Don't get me wrong, GT V is going to be the *******, but this certainly seems lacking and the above are all very valid criticisms. His last paragraph sums it up best:

      "This game isn't a cynical money grab, it's more of a way for Polyphony and Sony to share a little bit of what Gran Turismo 5 is going to be, and many fans will eagerly buy it and be very happy with the purchase. If this was released as its own product though, without the promise of future patches and a stronger full version... it would get eviscerated by both the critics and the fans. The name makes this bulletproof, and the play makes it a great time, but the amount of content you get and the lack of a strong online mode makes this a buy for hardcore fans only. "
      • PleaseJustDie, on 04/22/2008, -1/+3The Online play isn't too bad, occasionally you get disconnected because whoever is randomly chosen to be the server doesn't like coming in last so quits out of the race. The ghosting isn't even that big a deal unless you are intentionally trying to cream someone in a turn, so if you drive "right" you shouldn't be having a problem. Beating the game quickly isn't a downfall because by beating the game you just unlock the part of the game that will keep you playing long afterwords and gives it a huge replay value. I didn't really find you had to grind too much for cars. If you look ahead and plan your races you can generally afford to buy most of the cars as you get to those races and if you have to grind a lot its because you probably bought some cars you didn't need to because you wanted them.
    • HenvY, on 04/22/2008, -2/+14Try driving a Ford GT with no traction control, professional physics and manual transmission! Just try it!
      • thecheatah, on 04/23/2008, -2/+1Its beautiful, THE POWER!!! THE POWER!! Pull away from anybody!
    • 7tenths, on 04/22/2008, -2/+5I own and love GT5:P, however it is a demo. no matter how you want to cut it, it's just a teaser to get you to want the full version. Yes this offers more then most demoes and if online was better would be as good, if not better then most racers on the ps3/360. However, the amount of content isn't what makes a game a demo or not. It's if it is or isn't the full product. This is a sample, which is what a demo is.

      I don't understand why people get so offended by it. I love the GT series, but i've never once been offended at reading someone call it a demo.
      • staticneuron, on 04/23/2008, -1/+1No ones offended. But if it was a demo. It wold be free and have the content of GT5. This is prologues first apperance in some places so I know it has people confused but GT4 prologue was nothing like the full game. I expect GT5 to be different as well. You think this is a taste of what is to come. In timee you will look back and see how wrong you were.
    • Dracusis, on 04/23/2008, -2/+3The *DEMO* of Doom gave you an entire episode to play though. 70% of the weapons, 20% of the levels, 60% of the different monster types and 80% of the different difficulty options.

      FYI, the demo of doom did not cost $40.

      However, I did get prolouge, got it on the day it came out and I was rather disappointed by the lack of in-game options and choice of cars. There might be 70 cars but 80% of them are low end boring trash, I mean, seriously, who gives a ***** about all those pokey little 4 cylinder Suzuki's and the like?
      • DarkSamus, on 04/24/2008, -1/+1i remember playing the first level on fish in a barrel forever, good times
  • truspector, on 04/22/2008, -26/+51I think a $20 price point would be easier to swallow, but with all of the issues in this game, I don't know if I would have bitten at $20 either. No damage modeling once again (promised in an update but I'm not holding my breath), no online matches with friends (random matches only), no voice chat online (completely unacceptable for 2008), no car tuning, absolutely retarded AI, and only six tracks.

    If Polyphony would give me a credit towards the final game for buying prologue, I'm in, but if you buy prologue and then get the full GT5 you're buying all of the content in prologue twice and that's a load of crap.
    • staticneuron, on 04/22/2008, -14/+17Other than the viceral pleaseur of seeing your car get destroyed why the damage? I just mentioned the ramifications of running into a wall (it applies to other cars as well) and the penalties for doing so. In one hand if you're a fan of actual racing then the penalties should be enough to satisfy your need for balance. If not then the damage would hold no merit. Do want damage because it would enhance the quality of the race? Or is it visual pleasure? Or.... to take it a step further, do you want it because it is not there? I don't see why you choose to see only negatives because if you compare the positives to the negatives the positives win out.

      I am with you on the chat and friend battles but the AI is driving to overtake not to block or run you off the road. An aggresive AI doesn't mean that it is smart. Only six tracks you mention but no word about the extremley large amount of cars? The variety and type of cars not to your liking? Don't like GT TV? I just watched the video on the GT-R and I was in love. (I wish I could afford it).

      I highly doubt GT5 is going to look or even perform like prologue. It is a full year away. What on earth do you think they are doing? I don't need credit towards GT5 but what would make me happy is if some of my cars or in-game money transferred over. Then it would be well worth it. but mainly it is about the experience. And I am having fun right now.
      • mywhitenoise, on 04/22/2008, -3/+12"but what would make me happy is if some of my cars or in-game money transferred over."

        That's what's supposed to happen. All your cars and money will be transfered over.
      • jasmus, on 04/22/2008, -1/+8You're asking someone why they want car damage in a driving simulator? One that is well known for it's eye candy?
      • Le3f, on 04/22/2008, -9/+3"if you're a fan of actual racing then the penalties should be enough to satisfy your need for balance. "

        Yes!

        If you want to see the pretty cars getting smashed up, go play burnout or something; you're not mature enough for a real racing game.
      • kanariya, on 04/23/2008, -1/+1I agree the damage model gotta be in. Online play is kinda bad without it.
    • djSyndrome, on 04/22/2008, -3/+17I don't know why you're getting dugg down. For $40 I would have expected simple things like lobbies and voice chat, and although I knew they wouldn't be in there, I'm still disappointed anyway. I still enjoy it, but now that it's been released in all territories PD really need to get to work on the updates.
      • NoQuarter, on 04/22/2008, -12/+4Seriously? I'm always amazed at how badly PS3 games handle multiplayer, how hard can it be? People (rightly) beat on the Wii, but you make the GT5p online sound no better than mario kart.
        • mywhitenoise, on 04/22/2008, -1/+7most online games on PS3 aren't bad. This is the first one (that I own at least) that doesnt have vioce or friend matching.
        • NipGrip, on 04/22/2008, -2/+4Which PS3 games are you referring to that handle multi in a bad way? Always amazed there are ya?
    • coheedcollapse, on 04/22/2008, -2/+8First time I can honestly say I agree with you. I think it sucks that you spend 3/4ths of the full price on 1/10th the game or whatever and don't get any credit toward the full game. They should have made it $20 and give you $10 off of the full game with proof of purchase.

      As for damage mapping, I hear they're adding that to prologue (and the full game) a while later with a patch.
      • mywhitenoise, on 04/22/2008, -1/+5Even $30 would have been reasonable. I figured its going to be a long time for the final release...so I caved in.
        • coheedcollapse, on 04/22/2008, -0/+3Yeah definitely man. It's tempting, but there are so many other games that I still haven't been able to buy that I want so I have to be strong, heh.
    • lartones, on 04/22/2008, -6/+5Hey Truespector, what are you doing in a playstation 3 game discussion? Did your Xbox360 explode from the RROD?
      • truspector, on 04/22/2008, -4/+13No asshat, I have a PS3 AND 360 AND they both currently work, but thanks for asking.

        PSN: Truspector
        XBL: Truspector

        Feel free to send me a message on either and I'll make sure you get a nice reply, but don't bother with a friend request, I don't ***** like you. KTHXBYE
        • DarkSamus, on 04/24/2008, -2/+2they both currently work

          hahahahahhaha
    • baseman16, on 04/23/2008, -0/+2"No damage modeling once again (promised in an update but I'm not holding my breath), no online matches with friends (random matches only), no voice chat online (completely unacceptable for 2008), no car tuning, absolutely retarded AI, and only six tracks."

      After you beat either the A class or S class (i forget which) you CAN tune you car. I like the fact you don't have to shell out a bunch of cash for upgrades. It's fun trying to tune your machine to get the best lap times possible.
    • pucelle, on 04/23/2008, -0/+1wow credit towards the full game sounds awesome... like buy gtp and get 20$ off the full verrsion when released
    • smakusdod, on 04/23/2008, -1/+1You can't charge $40 and call it a demo. Sony is calling it a demo so people will cut them slack about the complete lack of features.
  • SEGA4life, on 04/22/2008, -31/+23I love reading people trying to justify a $40 demo as a real game, it's hilarious... LMFAO

    Here's some definitions of the word Prologue:

    pro·logue also pro·log (prlôg, -lg) n.
    1. An introduction or preface, especially a poem recited to introduce a play.
    2. An introduction or introductory chapter, as to a novel.
    3. An introductory act, event, or period.

    • staticneuron, on 04/22/2008, -11/+20So it's an introduction right? I see. Without your wise copy and paste skills and the smarts to find a dictionary, I fear we would all be lost.

      No one said it was a real game. Simply put it offers more than a demo. It takes more time to complete than any demo I've ever seen.
      • SEGA4life, on 04/22/2008, -15/+5Ouch... cut and paste... O no.. lol

        Of course it takes more time to complete, you have to PAY $40 bucks for it.
        Thats $20 less then a FULL working game... ouch... again.
      • Eparause, on 04/22/2008, -14/+7Sony: We don't raise the bar on games, we raise the bar on demos! I'm glad to see that Sony is still innovating!
        • lartones, on 04/22/2008, -1/+7Sorry, some of us don't mind paying $40 dollars for a "demo" of this game if the real thing isnt out for a year. I mean i've had this since the 16th and i've been playing it constantly, the S class is a ***** hard challenge on professional physics for some of the races(the last one.) Online is fun for me, when you only play with like 12 cars your experience is just fine.If you have nothing better to do than complain about a $40 dollar demo that alot of people love because it is a introduction to Gran Turismo 5 then go play your full Forza game.
          • truspector, on 04/22/2008, -6/+2Online is *****. With no voice chat and random matches only you could be playing the AI for all you know. I'm sure these things will be worked out before the full release, but for now, IT SUCKS.
        • mt4055, on 04/22/2008, -4/+2Forza is more of a simulator than a game.
          And you're right. I think I'll stick with that for now.
    • Eparause, on 04/22/2008, -13/+5It's actually an incomplete demo. Sony isn't going to release the entire demo to you at launch, They're going to patch it up with new gameplay features in fall 2008. So Nice!
    • WhereAmI, on 04/22/2008, -15/+12And this demo outsold Project Gotham Racing 4, and that doesn't count all the people that downloaded it:
      GT5P: http://www.vgchartz.com/games/game.php?id=6972
      PGR4: http://vgchartz.com/games/game.php?id=7649
      GT5P:1.11 million, excluding download numbers
      PGR4: 0.90 million
      Both are worldwide, and the American numbers are only one week.
      • logicalnoise, on 04/22/2008, -8/+14kane and lynch did better than most decent shooters doesn't make it any less of a waste of money.
        • WhereAmI, on 04/22/2008, -11/+5There was like 100x more advertising for that game. I haven't seen one advertisement for GT5P. Kane and Lynch sold whats expected with the scores of advertising that was out there.

          Of course gems like Okami or Ico go through with low sales and don't get the credit they deserve, but PGR4 is not one of those games and GT5P sells better because it is better.
          • truspector, on 04/22/2008, -1/+3"GT5P sells better because it is better."

            I'm not going to argue this with you, but your opinion != fact, just throwing that out there.
        • SEGA4life, on 04/22/2008, -8/+8hmmm... comparing PGR to GT... thats odd?
          I thought Forza was 360's game of GT?
          O wait, the sales numbers for Forza are to high... ahhh... gotcha.
        • mywhitenoise, on 04/22/2008, -8/+6Forza's sales are horrible in comparison, especially considering it was a PACK-IN game.
          How much did GT4 sell? Almost 10 million? And Forza, 3 million? Those sales aren't THAT high.
        • SEGA4life, on 04/22/2008, -8/+6lol you keep changing games, we were talking about GT5 not GT4.
          And Forza sold games before the Holiday bundle.
        • WhereAmI, on 04/22/2008, -1/+6We can't talk about GT5...its not out yet...
      • BabyWookie, on 04/22/2008, -1/+6I think that the reason that PGR4 kind of flopped is because it's not that big of an update over PGR3 and the addition of bikes is rather stupid. Being a huge PGR3 fan, I have not yet picked up PGR4 for those reasons. Now, when it hits $29.99, I am definitely going to. It's definitely a much better value than the GT5P, especially if you don't own PGR3.
        • Flynnz, on 04/22/2008, -0/+5not to mention it was going against Forza 2....I know they are different types of racers. But with the hype around Forza 2 when it came out, PGR4 didnt stand a chance.
    • SSCrow, on 04/22/2008, -1/+3Will there be an epilogue?
      So say its $40 each thats $120 in total. But I am guessing that the full version will be mroe than $60.
  • mywhitenoise, on 04/22/2008, -35/+39It's not a ***** demo. I have it, there's over 70 cars which you have to work to get. There's over 40 events (that I've seen at least). 6 different race tracks. Is going to be regularly updated with new content, patches, and GT-TV.

    The GT5: Prologue demo that was released in the Japanese store...that was a demo.
    • SEGA4life, on 04/22/2008, -25/+16It is a demo get over it.

      GT5P doesn't have "over 70" cars, it's more like around 60 sorry but thats fact.
      40 events on 6 tracks, I think that might get a tad repetitive.

      making people pay $40 for a demo is sad, $29.99 sounds "almost" reasonable.
      • mywhitenoise, on 04/22/2008, -11/+19http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gran_Turismo_5_Prolog ...
        "Spec II update adds new manufacturers, more stock cars and introduces racing cars, tuners and "Tuned" cars. Total number of playable cars reaches 71."
        ***** moron.
        • SEGA4life, on 04/22/2008, -18/+8Hey tinker bell the game "comes with 60 cars" not "over 70".
          Sit back an ask your self, Does the game have over 70 cars now? well... no, no it doesn't. exactly.

          Now if you want to talk about "Updates", that in turn will cost money we will, because when the update comes your going to pay even more for a demo.

          And please if your going to post links post official links, not edited by "anyone who wants to" links.


        • mywhitenoise, on 04/22/2008, -8/+17it has 76 cars NOW for US users. 71 cars for European. You are retarded.
          • SEGA4life, on 04/22/2008, -16/+6Ok stay with me now, try and keep up.

            When you buy the game, you know the one that comes in a box at the store, it comes with (60 cars) it says it on the box.

            And the download page says nothing about more cars.
            http://www.us.playstation.com/PS3/Store#id=bcus-98 ...
          • mywhitenoise, on 04/22/2008, -4/+12I own the game you stupid *****. You're prompted to an immediate patch (released a day or two before the game even hit shelves) once you pop in the game. YOU NEED TO INSTALL THIS PATCH BEFORE PLAYING. In this patch, there's an update with new cars...bringing the total to 76 cars.

            Don't argue with me you stupid dip *****, I own the game, I see 76 cars. You're just talking out of your ass once again.
          • SEGA4life, on 04/22/2008, -16/+5lol can you stop crying like a little girl for 2 minutes and relax.

            On the Box it says 60 cares, on the site it says 60 cars (and 50 cars).
            every where you look it says 60 cars.
            I would think on the download page link I posted something would have said something about new car downloads.

            It's hard talking to someone with Tourette Syndrome. Ask your mom for some more meds.
          • mywhitenoise, on 04/22/2008, -4/+14And the box also says it needs 5MB worth of installation, which is clearly false (needs 5GBs for the disc). The box also has dualshock compatible on the back, but games like Resistance, Ratchet, Warhawk, Motorstorm, Uncharted...and many others don't have the dualshock compatible logo, yet they have rumble when you play the games. The PS3 doesn't have a DTS-MA logo on the box, or casing...yet it does with the new firmware update.
            Do you not know what a required patch is?
          • staticneuron, on 04/22/2008, -3/+14Sega how slow can you be? The box says what is on the disc. When it is in your system it gets added content before you are even allowed to play. Oh and GT -TV has more videos than beyond the apex as well. I know, I know..... don't try to think so hard, you'll hurt yourself.
          • NipGrip, on 04/22/2008, -3/+6Sega4Life is one dumb poster here, isn't he? Just putting both feet in his mouth as quickly as possible.
          • brownsound00, on 04/23/2008, -1/+2Site says, "Race over 60 cars from worldwide car manufacturers, including many custom tuned cars." i don't see anything about 50. and this says "over 60". Wiki and various other sites say 71...as do my friends that OWN the game...

            http://www.us.playstation.com/PS3/Store
            That's from the source YOU provided.
      • WhereAmI, on 04/22/2008, -8/+15Wow SEGA4life, I didn't know you couldn't read or count. Learn something new everyday.
      • Starflyer59, on 04/22/2008, -5/+8No Sega4life, your deluge of comments about this is really sad. One or two is almost reasonable. By the way dumbass quit abusing quotation marks. They can be used to denote irony. They can’t be used, however, to add emphasis to a word or sentence.
    • logicalnoise, on 04/22/2008, -19/+15just keep on defending your investment man, we actually do care whether you feel it was worth it /sarcasm
      • mywhitenoise, on 04/22/2008, -15/+8$40 isn't an investment. I make almost $150 a day, big ***** deal to take away 25% of a days work.
        • SEGA4life, on 04/22/2008, -22/+9Your parents let you work? someone should call child services, and quick... LMFAO
        • logicalnoise, on 04/22/2008, -12/+10you still paid for it. meanwhile I haven't spent a dime on anything and I feel much better.
        • Sirocco, on 04/22/2008, -7/+12Which on the internet means you work at Taco Bell and make just over minimum wage.
    • Eparause, on 04/22/2008, -13/+6Please enlighten me mywhitenoise, give me a definition of a" demo", and explain why GT5P isn't a demo.
      • mywhitenoise, on 04/22/2008, -8/+8Did you not read my first comment...you know the one you replied to?
        I doubt the interface will be anything like the final release of GT5. A demo doesn't give you that much content.
        • Eparause, on 04/22/2008, -8/+6You didn't answer my question : )
        • logicalnoise, on 04/22/2008, -6/+6alrught white noise does the demo at anytime flash an AD for GT5?
      • staticneuron, on 04/22/2008, -4/+9A game demo is normally a freely distributed demonstration of an upcoming game or one that is already released. Normally most demo's have stripped down elements and the majority of the time it is a wip of a title yet to be released. Normally elements like single player play and online play (MP demo) are broken into seperate demo's and rarely are they demoed in the same package.

        What is the main difference here? First of all the obvious it is not free. Second of all is the content, online races, single player event, the amount of cars, GT TV. And another thing is that Prologue is stand alone. There is a very good chance that GT5 will not look like prologue at all. A year worth of development time can seek to change the graphics, gameplay and overall layout of the game. I highly doubt they were trying to give use the real layout of GT5 anyway.

        Gran turismo concept, GT4 prologue as examples shown in the past did not compare to the complete versions of the games and just as gt5p shows, it may look nothing or play nothing like gt5.
        • Eparause, on 04/22/2008, -3/+6Good comment and insight. But I disagree with you on one point, something tells me that Polyphony Digital wouldn't tweak something major off the game when it's been in development for 4+ years, but other than that, good comment.
          • staticneuron, on 04/22/2008, -1/+2Well, I am only going off of what they have done in the past. There are things said to be in GT5 that are missing from prologue so i am just assuming they are holding things back. But you could be right though.
        • logicalnoise, on 04/22/2008, -8/+5does GT5P advertise GT5?
          • staticneuron, on 04/22/2008, -5/+6You have asked this again. No it doesn't advertise GT5. There are alot of things revolving around GT5P but that's it. You get an intro movie and an ending movie. More cars and tuning features. no splash screens saying please play GT5 when it comes out or anything else of that nature.
      • NipGrip, on 04/22/2008, -1/+3Did you not play the GTHD Demo released on the PS Store? *THAT* was a "demo". This is a Prologue and why on God's green Earth do people really ***** care if it's classified as a "demo" or not? I do not care either way, but you asked for a demo, the GTHD was a demo.
    • spidoman, on 04/22/2008, -9/+15I gotta agree with White noise, it's clearly not a demo, the content is much too deep to be a demo. At 40 dollars it is in fact a budget title compared to the 60 dollar regular games. The "review" is ridiculously biased, it's silly to read and take seriously.

      And no, I'm not a fanboy, this is the first GT game that I've ever actually enjoyed.
      • wageslaven, on 04/22/2008, -7/+2ArsTechnia is a very respected site. You can disagree, but Ars is too well respected for you to attack them on honesty.
      • thebaron2, on 04/22/2008, -4/+3How is it biased? It's just a negative review. Just because the guy didn't love the game doesn't mean that he has some sort of grand agenda against Sony and the GT series/creators.

        In fact the guy praised the GT series and still says he can't wait for GT V.
      • staticneuron, on 04/22/2008, -1/+3He said review not site. But as far as OT is concerned normally Ben is the one that is always over-critical of the PS3 while Frank tries to take a more rounded approach. I am not labeling Ben as a fanboy but it just seems as if he has an axe to grind with some of the things he says.
  • Eparause, on 04/22/2008, -28/+2925% of a game = Demo
    • mywhitenoise, on 04/22/2008, -11/+1825% of any game is HUGE. No demo has that much content.
      And I doubt GT5: Prologue is even 10% of the actual content of the final release...seeing as GT4 had over 700 cars, and Prologue only has 76 so far.
      • Eparause, on 04/22/2008, -8/+18Correction: < 10% of a game = demo
        • ninjasquirrel, on 04/23/2008, -6/+4Correction: < 100% of a game = demo
      • wageslaven, on 04/22/2008, -4/+4Having more courses and car-models is not that big a deal.

        The value in a racing game is the campaigns, online tournaments, online matches and such.
      • Flynnz, on 04/22/2008, -1/+2Well how about we call it a "robust demo" and we can all be happy :)
        • brownsound00, on 04/23/2008, -2/+3No offense to you. But does it really matter if its a demo or a prologue? What does this matter on the grand scheme of things? If someone really likes the game and wants to spend 40 bucks... who cares? Is this affecting you in any way? NO! So people.. who cares what is it... talk about the real issues at hand.
          • Flynnz, on 04/23/2008, -0/+1does it really matter? no...is it funny? yeah.
      • djruden, on 04/23/2008, -0/+3Waaay back in the early 90's a game called Doom was released by id software as well as a demo. The demo was episode 1 of a 3 episode game. All 10 levels.

        So if 33% of a game can be called a demo, than so can 25%.

        Obviously this isn't an exact science. And I don't really care either way as I got GT2 back in the day and that was enough for me. I'll be playing the Mario Kart these days.
    • dagamer34, on 04/22/2008, -2/+425% of the game at more than 25% of the cost. Say it's either a demo or you're getting ripped for your money. This is almost equal to EA putting out a new Madden every year and somehow justifying that roster updates are worth $60.
    • AvidPreatorian, on 04/23/2008, -1/+22% of game = demostration
      • NSNick, on 04/23/2008, -1/+1If you want to go by pure number of combinations of tracks, cars, and events, this is probably only 2% of the game.
  • NecroSexy, on 04/22/2008, -29/+24Sony Fanboys in Denial: Prologue
    • Eddiecoaster, on 04/22/2008, -7/+5If you enjoy the game (regardless of the system), how does that make you a sony fanboy? If there was a Halo 4 prologue and you bought it, are you automatically a Microsoft fanboy?
      • WhereAmI, on 04/22/2008, -4/+9"If there was a Halo 4 prologue and you bought it, are you automatically a Microsoft fanboy?"
        Yes.
    • NecroSexy, on 04/22/2008, -4/+7Enjoying playing it has nothing to do with getting ripped off.
      • ninjasquirrel, on 04/23/2008, -2/+2The fact that you bought a demo at nearly the price of a full game has everything to do with being ripped off...
        • kanariya, on 04/23/2008, -1/+3and the fact we are enjoying it, thus it's not a rip off.
          • DarkSamus, on 04/24/2008, -1/+1that was a great blowjob but that hooker definitely ripped me off
    • tripzero, on 04/23/2008, -1/+1I'm no sony fanboy (in fact the opposite), but the ps3 kicks the crap out of the xbox 360 (yes i've owned both).

      GT5: prologue is okay, it does need some patches. I kinda feel guilty spending $40 for it in this condition. COD4 still occupies most of my wife and I's time.
  • Eddiecoaster, on 04/22/2008, -7/+18It is a really badass game, however I think $30 would have been more fair.
  • vx69, on 04/22/2008, -15/+19Stop ***** complaining I paid $50 (£25) and I reckon it was worth every penny, the game has hours of content.
    • SSCrow, on 04/22/2008, -4/+3with 6 Stages!!!!
    • vx69, on 04/23/2008, -3/+26 Tracks each with a different variation, either reverse or a different part of the track, makes 12.

      Now take those 70 odd cars round 12 courses trying to get the perfect line gives you a ***** of gameplay.
  • melondoc, on 04/22/2008, -7/+12If you figure in number of dollars per hours of enjoyment, then GT5P isn't too bad of a deal - at least for me. I've been playing it longer and having more fun with it than with Burnout, anyway. I just hope that there are some substantial free updates over the coming months...

    I'll be curious to see if this game has any effect on PS3 sales. I know a lot of people were waiting to see what this would be like before deciding whether to get one.
  • mooninite, on 04/22/2008, -6/+9I just got this yesterday after paying $35 (Amazon/Sony discount) and it is completely worth it. The In-Car view is amazing. I have a real steering wheel and I set it all to Simulation and Professional and wow it's fantastic. Racing through London in my M3 never felt better. Yes, I've played the GT:HD demo, and the same track from the demo is in Prologue and they have fixed some things in it.

    Yes, there are a few *tiny* interface quirks (like you can't default in-car view...) but they spent all their time on the tracks and cars -- where it counts.
  • threepio, on 04/22/2008, -11/+4Ben's a decent writer, but I'm not sure why they let him write alone on PlayStation issues. He's got a notorious anti-Sony bent.

    Then again, articles like this get posted to digg, increasing the circulation of the content and upping the quantity of hits - making Ars more valuable from an advertising standpoint. Perhaps it IS easy to see why adding a little bit of trolling to your articles can be a good plan.
    • kingmanic, on 04/22/2008, -1/+5I thought the review was pretty pro-GT5 prologue. Noting some issues, saying the game play makes up for all the short comings and recommended we rent it if not buy it. I problably won't buy prologue but the GT5 itself already has a place set aside on my mantle.
  • vorbalhorde, on 04/22/2008, -8/+51How many cars are in GT4? 721
    How many cars are in GT5:P? 60. It's an expensive demo.
    • pucelle, on 04/23/2008, -0/+1721 wow really?
    • HappyScrappy, on 04/23/2008, -0/+1Yeah, except GT4 had cars 3 or 4 times, as identical cars. If they listed the Mazda Atenza 25RZ in GT5P as a Mazda6 also, then changed the HP rating and changed it to simulate AWD and called it the Mazdaspeed6 and Atenza Speed or whatever, they'd have more cars. If they did this with all the cars in here, it'd have 120 cars instead of 50.

      But would it really be that much better?

      Quantity isn't always the best way to measure things.
    • Narishma, on 04/23/2008, -0/+1And how many cars were in GT4:P?
  • jacksons98, on 04/22/2008, -14/+12I wish reviewers would just review a game based on it's merits. Stop telling me what I can and can't afford.
    To me this game is worth every penny I spent so far.
    • Myonosken, on 04/22/2008, -6/+4For many of us who actually work hard for a living, value for money is extremely important in deciding what to buy.
  • ryanchapelle, on 04/22/2008, -8/+8Picked it up the other day and I'm loving it. The race replays alone (ok, maybe not alone, but...) make it worth $40 - they're absolutely incredible to watch and I often swear that they're FMV captures and not in-game. Makes me excited for the full version -- and to see what these games will look like 2-3 years from now!
  • zapperdude60, on 04/22/2008, -8/+9IT PRINTS MONEY!!!!!1!!!
  • wageslaven, on 04/22/2008, -19/+39Call it a Demo or dont call it a demo. I dont care. For the purpose of this conversation, I'll call it GT5-Lite.

    For the Sony owners who think this is a great deal, and dead set against it being called "a demo".

    Let me explain it to you; what is happening is Sony is charging $40 in place of what they used to give for free as a Demo.

    I'll accept that this is bigger than "a demo" -- sure. But who cares?

    At the end of the day, owners of GT5-Lite are going to have less than GT5. So, why pay $40 for something you're only going to replace in the future?

    You people are *TOTALLY* missing the point on this $40 GT5-Lite deal.

    This is the point: If you are a game fan, and you cant wait to try the next GT game, Sony is charging you $40 for what is normally a *DEMO* everywhere else.

    And, if you want the whole game -- and you want to try before you buy via a "Demo" -- you cant, in order to do that, you're going to pay $100.

    GT5 is going to cost $100 for anyone who cares about the GT series -- and that is the bottom line.

    Sony isnt doing *ANYONE* any favours by releasing GT5-Lite for $40 -- they are exploiting their fanbase.

    Call GT5P anything you want, but if i was a big-GT fan, I wouldnt be thanking sony for charging me $100 to enjoy GT5.
    • WhereAmI, on 04/22/2008, -14/+8Except demo's don't come out a year in advance, and Sony isn't making us pay for GT5P in order to play GT5, so the 100$ game logic is flawed.
      • FiftyPoints, on 04/23/2008, -5/+3What you're doing is called rationalization.
    • staticneuron, on 04/22/2008, -2/+8I understand where you are coming from but there has been a GT concept before in the past and a GT4 prologue. Looking back they were stand alone entities. GT4P was different than GT4.. period. This isn't being forced upon anyone, this is just there if you want to get your fix. You can actually get GTHD and be satisfied with that or wait around fro GT5 to come out. What 'you' and many others are not getting is that this is more of a stop gap. Substantial enough to occupy many of your time and if the word is true, your time would not be wasted because your cars and credits transfer over to GT5. Personally I know I am going to get a kick out of trying to beat s class and I really want to get that F-1 car.
    • temugen, on 04/22/2008, -5/+6Well said.
    • TheXeno, on 04/22/2008, -2/+10You do realize everything you just mentioned is optional. Usually people sort of buy what they think is worth it. To some, paying for Prologue and in turn GT5, will be more than worth it. To others, namely yourself, not worth it. I bought it, and think it's worth my money. Who are you to tell me or anyone who loves GT and what it provides, that it "exploits" us? That's not exploitation at all, it's preference. Other people place value on something you don't, and you mock them for it? Here's some advice, stop worrying what other people like, and just enjoy what you like and leave it at that.
      • wageslaven, on 04/23/2008, -3/+2Getting a *free demo* is no longer an option.
    • kanariya, on 04/23/2008, -2/+9Sony did not force people to buy the Prologue in order to play the Full version.
      Buy or not, good deal or not, it's all up to the consumer.
      You don't have to buy this IN ORDER to play and see what's the GT is like.

      There's a FREE Prologue Demo on the Japan PS Store. FOR FREE. Anyone can download it.
      It has 1 track and like 9 or 10 cars.

      GT5 do not come until next year.
      This is what Sony's offering for the GT fans until the full version is out.
      Most of us (GT fans) are really happy that we are able to enjoy whatever they can offer while we wait for the final release.

      If you don't think this is a good deal, just avoid it. What's the big deal?
      • arcticblue, on 04/23/2008, -1/+2The demo of GT5:P isn't there any more. They removed back in November I think. I played the demo and liked it, but I'll be waiting for the full GT5.
    • HappyScrappy, on 04/23/2008, -0/+2What you say is simply not true. GT3 Prologue cost money when it was released (it was only released in Japan). GT4 Prologue cost money when it was released (it was only released in Japan and Europe). GT4 Concept was free. but then again, so was Gran Turismo HD (which came out right after the PS3 did).
  • rowlodge, on 04/22/2008, -6/+5just wait a few months there will be used ones for sale.
    • Moetownslick, on 04/22/2008, -1/+3exactly what i was planning to do.
  • Gatonegrosky, on 04/22/2008, -3/+5i thought it was the complete game ... but since the hype of the average American user is to be the "Beta" tester .... i'll just sit back play some FIFA 08 and wait 'til the final game is at my local Game Stop :P
    • dmclone, on 04/23/2008, -1/+2You know how I know you're gay?
      • Gatonegrosky, on 04/23/2008, -1/+0i know, but i ain't giving you hope to ask me out lol
  • digitul, on 04/22/2008, -6/+11i love how the people eating this crap up are the same ones that always want to cry about micro transactions.
  • antonio97b, on 04/22/2008, -4/+9Why the ***** are people bitching over what is a demo and what is a game and the fact it costs 20$ to play it. No one marketed this as a full game (obviously) You know you are buying a fraction of a finished product. Why bitch and moan that it plays "just like a demo."
    No ***** *****.
    • Dylson, on 04/22/2008, -4/+2You would have sounded scarier if you typed that in all capital letters.
  • smrekar, on 04/22/2008, -2/+5Is it a demo? yes. Should you pay for a demo? maybe Would you pay for a beta? Some would
    I think people are on a slippery slope by saying, "It isn't a demo because i would pay for it." you are setting up a false dichotomy. I would have paid to beta test StarCraft 2, because i want to play it before it's released, even with bugs and being partially complete.
    p.s. I own a Wii not a PS3, but i also own a mac and pay to beta test every new OS, apple just doesn't call it a beta. lol
  • NipGrip, on 04/22/2008, -5/+8Who honestly cares what cubbyhole of a term we call the software, it's got >60 cars (70+ now?), online play, GTTV, all kinds of stuff for $40. Buy it, or don't, call it a demo, call it a sonofabitch for all I care. If you're worried about this becoming the norm, then it will all be worked out when people don't take Sony up on the offer of $40 for this Prologue and no other company would try it. As it stands, it seems to be a fair deal to enough people to warrant it's release and sale and it has sold like hotcakes.

    Demo, prologue, who really cares? What's the point of arguing something so trite?
  • inane, on 04/22/2008, -2/+3Can you say "buyer beware?"

    Fact is, anyone who does their research is going to be aware of the fact that this isn't the full GT5 and if they decide to buy it anyway then that's their deal. Sony is giving the rabid fans a very large demo (preview, prologue, whatever) and charging them for it. Any hardcore fan will be thanking them for that opportunity. Anyone not savvy enough to at least check GameSpot before plunking down their green doesn't have a reason to bitch.
  • VinnieDaMac, on 04/22/2008, -2/+10Yes, it's a demo. Hence why it's called "Prologue," if you don't know what prologue means, it means introductory, beginning, preliminary, preface, etc. In other words, it's a demo/preview of the final game, but really, who cares what it's called. If you're happy with 70 cars, 6 tracks, and online play, buy it, who cares what other people are calling it. Personally, I wouldn't buy it because what kind of message does that send to publishers? It says you're willing to make two payments for a hyped up game; $40 for a demo and another $60 for the real game. $$$$$
  • supersteve, on 04/22/2008, -8/+3the graphics look awesome but forget paying 40 for this demo. what a rip off. the ghost car thing sounds horrible too. not sure if this counts as a sim any more if you cars randomly turn ghost
  • flickr, on 04/22/2008, -2/+2In the past I've (stupidly) payed far more for far less fun/complete games. Mind you, I got Prologue for free with a Dual Shock 3 so maybe I'm biased...
  • JointVenture, on 04/22/2008, -10/+5Taking it in the ass twice, playstation fan boys are funny.
  • fattymcgee311, on 04/22/2008, -1/+6Utterly ridiculous. If you don't like that it doesn't have everything you want in the game, just wait until 2009. How hard is that? I'm pretty sure it says PROLOGUE for a reason.
  • highlyhigh, on 04/22/2008, -6/+4graphics do look pretty sweet but i still can't help but gripe- where's varied texture? where's AA? the car models in the garage view looks jagged as hell. i run sony pearl projector on 113" screen and yes, it is very noticable. and the london track looks generic as hell. where are some variations in the building texture? everything looks like it was done up with one template. i hate it! give me my ***** cash back!
    • Christbait, on 04/23/2008, -2/+4I noticed this as well. Very disappointed at all the jaggies after seeing so many pre-rendered screenshots.
  • Spire3660, on 04/22/2008, -3/+6GT5 prologue+steering wheel = an unparalleled console driving experience.
  • dansmeek, on 04/22/2008, -2/+6i think GT: prologue should be priced at the $10-$20 mark. and they should keep updating.... a couple new maps a month, cars and continue to improve the online mode. the online mode was...... different when it debuted in JPN. it didn't ghost cars and some races were perfect others weren't. the problem was and still is.... ***** drivers. it's no fun to play a simulation game and as you slowly pass your opponent at 140 for 2nd place, he suddenly decides to go Burnout on you and slam you into the wall. in seconds your in last place. what they originally did is they identified bad drivers by making their names in yellow. that way you would know who to avoid and who you could drive normal around.
    the problem is, it can't really distinguish between newbie sucky drivers, and drivers that just like crashing into your car to take every one out of the race. i personally wish they had some feature that would just block hardcore bad drivers from logging in for 48 hours. if you keep crashing into other people's cars at a high speed, and not just "touching them" that should qualify. in hot shots golf, if your in an online tournament and quit before the game is finished, you can't log in to the server for 24 hours. it's a great feature.
    what's worse, america seems to have way ***** drivers than japan, or europe or london. why buy a racing simulation game if you are going to play it like burnout? just play burnout! the good thing is digital polyphony realizes that the community hates this and is trying to fix it.
    and hopefully for the final gT5 release we can get dedicated servers. perhaps tournaments that are hosted on dedicated servers, but also the option for just friendly racing with P2P? either way, this game is improving. that is unique to not just a demo, but to almost every game that is released. i haven't seen a single "real" orange box update on either 360 or PS3. and they both have major issues. like no 5.1 surround? or rumble? it's incredible.
    • wageslaven, on 04/23/2008, -1/+2Sony would be fine if they charged $40 for GT5P now, when the game is finished, they sold a content-update that was the difference between GT5P and GT5 for $20 -- and sold GT5 for $60.

      Maybe they'll do this in the end - I'm sure they could sell a "update to GT5 Full" DLC for $20-25. If Sony did *THAT*, then it would be fair to customers.
      • dansmeek, on 04/23/2008, -0/+1yea -- i have no idea how the other prologues worked out (whether they discounted the final product) but i have no idea why they can't do that in this case. i would even settle for prologue at $40 and the full game for $25-$30 (you'd still be paying $5-$10 extra). include some type of rebate where you send in your prologue disc (or somehow redeem the download) for a rebate.
        i doubt this will happen, since they know GT fans will shell out for prologue and GT5.
  • SSCrow, on 04/22/2008, -3/+4Its like Episodic Content! Just twice as much as Episodic Content!
  • lukemann, on 04/22/2008, -7/+3I wish we had this on the 360, we're missing out on all of the overpriced demos!
  • defcobra08, on 04/23/2008, -5/+1one could buy 40 double cheeseburgers with that cash or if your a chicken think of it as this - 120 mcnuggets..mmm chickens and their talents yummy
  • bittertea, on 04/23/2008, -1/+3I own the game and amount of track available does get repetetive, but the game is much more than a demo. Just think, most racings don't even have 70+ cars with its own physic and handling. Online while slightly broken is very entertaining and GTTV is a good idea in my opinion minus the downloading.....I guess it all depends if you're an avid GT fan, which I am. If you're not just wait for the full game, it'll be well worth the wait. Try racing in A and S class, and you'll see that this game is much more than a demo...
  • Christbait, on 04/23/2008, -1/+3The price is well justified. But the online aspect is where GT5 falls severely short, it is so lacking in basic features I can only classify it as being very "caveman": no voice comms, no friend invites, and no private races. I honestly expected these features as they are mandatory these days.
  • kanariya, on 04/23/2008, -0/+9It's a fair review.
    I think this game is for GT fans only. If you're not a GT fan, you might feel that you're getting rip off like some people.

    I personally enjoy this game way more than any other PS3 games so far, with the racing wheel.
  • NsertNameHere, on 04/23/2008, -1/+6GT Prologue series have never been free. I don't know why people are whining about.
  • junkin07, on 04/23/2008, -5/+0http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OdHcZB3L3uA
  • indiancompanion, on 04/23/2008, -1/+3Demo or not, I still enjoy playing it so I don't really care what people call it
  • HRF1, on 04/23/2008, -0/+3"Make sure you are playing with a Dual Shock 3 so you can feel the rumble in the turns. It's all worth it."
    How about playing with a Logitech Driving Force, much more recommended if you're really going to write a friggin' review on any Gran Turismo game...
  • Budmandude, on 04/23/2008, -1/+2Bad GT5: Demo reviews = hilarious Digg comments
  • HappyScrappy, on 04/23/2008, -0/+4If you don't like grinding, don't buy racing sims. The essence of auto racing is to do the same thing over and over. A short race is 20 laps. That means you do the same things 20 times. IN REAL LIFE.

    Anything that tries to simulate that is going to have lots of repetition too. If anything, most sims have to add aids to help you get around the track without good knowledge, because you are expected to run 6 tracks in one day. In real racing, you spend hours learning a track before the race. You spend more time practicing than racing.

    I find GT5 okay. I paid $35, and it's probably okay for that much. I (and others) got through Crackdown in about 14 hours, and it cost $60. Why does GT5 get singled out over this?

    Anyway, it's a good game, if short.
  • pleasureismine, on 04/23/2008, -1/+2The best game ever! 60 cars is a pretty good amount!
  • dmclone, on 04/23/2008, -1/+2While everyone else sits here and bitches about it being a demo, I'll probably spend 200+ hours playing it. Bitch all you want because they will sell a ton and a lot of people will enjoy the game. My guess is that 90% of the people who bitch have never played the game.
  • Penn, on 04/23/2008, -0/+1Forza Motorsport 2 is a much better driving game both offline and online. Let's hope the full game lives up to the hype.
  • Frayed_Knot, on 04/27/2008, -0/+1It's not about the number of cars or the number of tracks, it's about the gameplay. It's about the racing experience. GT5P has it.

    Who needs hundreds of cars? I don't get it. Good racing is about everyone having equal equipment; it's the driver that makes the difference.
    How many cars does a racing sim really need? Probably 20. 30 tops.
    Here's all you need:
    3 FWD cars (sub-compact, compact, mid size; each with 2-3 levels of HP and suspension)
    2-3 rally cars (AWD, sedan or hatchback)
    5-6 RWD sports cars. Miata, BoxterS, BMW sedan, RX-8, 911, Ferrari
    4-5 closed wheel race cars (Nascar Bush, Nascar Sprint, ALMS Prototype racers)
    4-5 open wheeled race cars (no-aero Formula Ford/Vee, 3 winged open wheel (Formula Atlantic, F3000, F1)

    Then make a spec race for each of the above. e.g. Spec Miata, Ferrari Challenge, etc.
  • Yareking, on 04/30/2008, -0/+1my gt5 p was free & original Lol
  • CaptJack83, on 05/02/2008, -0/+0This demo is better than most games.
  •  

    Login or register to add a comment

    Create a new account or login to join in the conversation on Digg. You'll also be able to Digg stories to help promote things you like.


© Digg Inc. 2008 — Content posted by Digg users is dedicated to the public domain.
DIGG, DIGG IT, DUGG, DIGG THIS, Digg graphics, logos, designs, page headers, button icons, scripts, and other service names are the trademarks of Digg Inc.