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  • retroman, on 10/12/2007, -30/+6Zelda is my favourite!
    • z00k, on 10/12/2007, -16/+4Meh, Mario all the way.
    • molobolo, on 10/12/2007, -25/+3/sigh... Why do people have to steal crap? Why?! Is it the fame? E-peen? What?

      Oh and http://thatsanderskid.com/virtualnes
    • superbobd, on 10/12/2007, -32/+4DIGG this comment if you went STRAIGHT TO BATTLETOADS!!
    • GamerzCorner, on 10/12/2007, -7/+1Server went down right after i got there :/
    • AcePuppy, on 10/12/2007, -6/+5http://www.everyvideogame.com has many NES titles as well.
    • mercurysquad, on 10/12/2007, -4/+2C O N T R A !
    • ringo380, on 10/12/2007, -3/+1I forgot how ridiculously great Duck Tales 2 was.

      That was my very first NES game. Even before Mario. Probably my first console game ever. Gave me chills playing it for the first time in so many years, and because of the fact that I still remembered everything. And yet it's still really ***** hard.
    • carleethian, on 10/12/2007, -3/+2jeez, diggers hate you guys
    • tyywebb, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3God Megaman is a bitch on the keyboard.
    • keyboardduder, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3The enthusiasm is appreciated by the website owner and the poster, but the controls are so damn annoying id rather play the ROMs with my XBOX 360 controller.
    • maruamx, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1can anyone get the teenage mutant ninja turtles game working??? i can only get to character selection then nomater what i press nothing happens
  • csonjeow, on 10/12/2007, -4/+64This can't be legal, can it? Especially when Wii Console is trying to get me to buy these for $5 each.
    • retroman, on 10/12/2007, -11/+10Come on, man. Those games are roughly 20 years old :-) Console playing beats keyboard playing those games, so I bet sites like this one will get people buying the Wii and signing up for the Wii Console stuff.
    • Nardle, on 10/12/2007, -3/+41http://www.virtualnes.com is better.

      And retroman, I would advise you not to sneak ads on this site like you did with your last front page. That will give Nintendo more motivation to shut you down.
    • illectronic, on 10/12/2007, -5/+10agreed. http://www.virtualnes.com is way better.
    • z00k, on 10/12/2007, -3/+8^^ What they said. vNes all the way.
    • po43292, on 10/12/2007, -1/+12I think you guys killed vnes' server. :(
    • cronot, on 10/12/2007, -6/+1"http://www.virtualnes.com is way better." / "^^ What they said. vNes all the way."

      uh, yep, except that the games are not accessible right now... :-P Digg killed it? Still cool though.

      As for the legality of this - I was going to reply straight up that this is illegal, but when I tought it through, I think this maybe is in a grey area. AFAIK, the law (USA's at any rate) allows one to have the ROM of game / program for backup purposes, so, as long as the owner of the site owns all the games he makes available through the site, I don't think he is in the wrong because he is not making the ROMs themselves directly available, but only the result of the emulation of the content of these ROMs.
    • picklepants, on 10/12/2007, -7/+2$10 each.
    • FakeFakerson, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5I'm surprised someone hasn't created a site like this that's compatible with the Wii. What the hell are they waiting for? (besides a good lawyer)
    • fatdog789, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4@cronot: You misunderstand US copyright law. Backup copies are only permitted for *private* or *personal* use. (Academic fair use is a separate issue, focusing on excerpts.) They may not be distributed to others, which is exactly what he's doing here. It doesn't matter if the site owner actually owns the games. In fact, it's presumed that he does, otherwise he's liable for other things as well.

      So...if you were to make a private emulator site, where you could play your own backup roms, and limit access to yourself, THAT would be okay.

      This isn't. Nintendo may not send a takedown notice to this guy's ISP, but one of the game publishers certainly will (probably EA, which owns the rights to many of the game lines featured on the site).
    • Tikkimann, on 10/12/2007, -4/+3Virtual Console just got pwned.
    • cronot, on 10/12/2007, -2/+2@fatdog789: "You misunderstand US copyright law. Backup copies are only permitted for *private* or *personal* use."

      Thanks for the clarification, but I think that I'd still stand by my point, and even your explanation is open to more than one interpretation. Namely, how do you define "use" of the back-up copies? The backup copies of the ROMs, by themselves, are useless. You need a way to process / play them - in this case, either a console or an emulator. Thus, he's not distributing the backup copies themselves, he's making available a way to play the product of the emulation - technically speaking, you're just playing a Java game on his site - you don't have access to the "data" the "Java game" uses to work, which in this case, happens to be ROM copy of the original game.

      Anyway, IANAL, and I'm not saying what he does is legal, but maybe, as I said on my previous post, this falls on a grey area.
    • mattym, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3@cronot:

      If I put a "backup" of all my music cd's online, but don't allow anyone to download the cd's, but provide a, lets say, flash based
      player to listen to all of my backup cd's, is that not copyright infringement?

      The music player on my website is just like the emulator...going by your logic, the person listening doesn't have access to the music, only to the output of
      the music player....

      There really is no question here on copyright infringement. VNes, no matter how cool or awesome, is seriously infringing upon
      many copyrights. Emulation, in a personal situation, may fall in a grey area. This does not.

      If you still don't understand: the java emulator downloads a copy of the rom from VNes's server, and loads it into memory/caches
      it to the user's HDD. VNes is distributing copyrighted material, regardless of whether the end user every actually "sees" the file
      on his or her computer.
    • TheWorm, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1A lot of these games were before my time. Playing them online and seeing what I like only makes me want to buy them on Wii virtual console.
  • LanceTMQ, on 10/12/2007, -57/+3Captain-easy pants is a sissy poontang boy. He likes pitching or catching. He's the 2006 felching champion. He was forced into early retirement after his sphincter was stretched beyond repair. LOL

    Digg it, Digg it, Digg it, Digg it, Digg it, Digg it, Digg it, Digg it, Digg it, Digg it, Digg it, Digg it, Digg it, Digg it, Digg it, Digg it, Digg it, Digg it, Digg it, Digg it, Digg it, Digg it, Digg it, Digg it, Digg it, Digg it, Digg it, Digg it, Digg it, Digg it,
    • therodersabides, on 10/12/2007, -14/+9::Sigh:: Yet another person for my block list...
    • mecmermun, on 10/12/2007, -17/+3
      Go die, Go die, Go die, Go die, Go die, Go die, Go die, Go die, Go die, Go die, Go die, Go die, Go die, Go die, Go die, Go die, Go die, Go die, Go die, Go die, Go die, Go die, Go die, Go die, Go die, Go die, Go die, Go die, Go die, Go die,
  • quami16, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6Megaman is now taking up the rest of my entire day.
  • carcass350, on 10/12/2007, -20/+81*****!!
    This is just stolen from virtualnes.com. I don't have a java decompiler here at work but the class files inside the vnes.jar files are all compiled with the same date & time.
    http://virtualnes.com/vm_files/vnes.jar
    &
    http://nintendo8.com/vnes.jar
    This kind of ***** ***** me off. Some guy spends countless hours developing some cool ***** and then some punk steals it.



    • antishow, on 10/12/2007, -6/+82"This kind of ***** ***** me off. Some guy spends countless hours developing some cool ***** and then some punk steals it."

      You have got to be kidding me. You realize that virtualnes.com is ripping off the people at Nintendo that actually DID spend "countless hours developing some cool *****".
    • mzwaterski, on 10/12/2007, -3/+16dugg down for hypocrisy!
    • carcass350, on 10/12/2007, -0/+14@antishow
      Ok, maybe I see your point ;-)
      I guess the old adage "there is no honor among thieves" holds true. Still ***** me off though
    • dirtyharry, on 10/12/2007, -4/+3This wasn't stolen, at least not in the sense that they are trying to pass this work off as their own. I don't know if they got permission, but they clearly give credit to vNes's creator. From the top of the page:

      "Get your daily dose of Nintendo nostalgia at nintendo8.com! Thanks to Jamie Sanders for the excellent vNES emulator!"
    • Nardle, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4@ dirtyharry

      Originally, the site didn't give credit to Sanders. I'm assuming the webmaster took notice of the negative comments here.
    • tg16, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1virtualnes stole it first, fair and square!
  • anotherdiggdude, on 10/12/2007, -5/+0Hmm. I'm too cheap to get all the new stuff. I'll do this 1x
  • kevinbose, on 10/12/2007, -37/+4
    Brought to you by the power of Java.

    --
    No highs, No lows, Must be Kevin Bose
    • paulmdx, on 10/12/2007, -2/+19Getting dugg down a lot today by any chance? You might try removing your sig.
    • kevinbose, on 10/12/2007, -30/+1I just dugg you down for that.
    • Xspire, on 10/12/2007, -17/+1@PaulMDX
      What's wrong with his sig? maybe I just don't get the reference.
    • jacobmp92, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5xspire: sig = spam

      usually.
    • sid0, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3xspire: There's a saying about Bose speakers: "No highs, no lows, must be Bose." (It's said that Bose speakers are only able to handle mid-range frequencies well.)

      That, and 'kevinbose' is a rip-off of 'kevinrose'.

      This guy's blocked
    • Llanowar, on 10/12/2007, -3/+2ROFL @ I just dugg you down for that.

      Mommy, he said something bad against me, but its all ok because I dugg him down!!!
    • kevinbose, on 10/12/2007, -5/+1@sid0

      You're a douche bag, you idiot.
  • xafan, on 10/12/2007, -3/+26As others has mentioned, this is a direct rip off of http://www.virtualnes.com/

    Buried.
  • SteveMax, on 10/12/2007, -1/+9Castle-Vania is way better than Con-Tra and Ma-Rio. Not on par with Zel-Da, though.
  • Wonkanobi, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Great, but how do I enter the unlimited lives code for Contra?
    • hammerpants, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Up Up Down Down Left Right Left Right B (z) A (x) Start

      It works...just make sure you click in the java window before you do it.
  • kaervas59, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3Not blocked at my job... GREAT!
    • kevinbose, on 10/12/2007, -19/+2I would fire you if I caught you playing games. Just saying...
    • griffindj, on 10/12/2007, -3/+7@ kevinbose

      Good thing I don't work at McDonalds.
    • kevinbose, on 10/12/2007, -18/+0
      @ griffindj

      Good thing you're not a professional.
    • kaervas59, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4What about lunch time?
    • kevinbose, on 10/12/2007, -16/+0"What about lunch time?"

      You have a point. I guess porn and games are OK during lunch time.
    • MrMacMan, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Kevin,
      Most companies (you know, actual organizations) have a thing called a 'duty-free lunch' where you don't have to do any work during that time.
  • Redstripe8, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Any confirmation of Wii support via Opera browser? I tried virtualnes a while ago with no success. Will give it a try tonight...
    • CocoaPuffs23, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1That is a great idea, but it will never happen. Think about it and what that would do to the VC NES sales. Nintendo will not allow it.
  • majortom1981, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6Yeah lets get this site noticed by posting it on digg. Since it will get really noticed nintendo will shut it down. Real smart.
    • Redstripe8, on 10/12/2007, -2/+1vNES has been around since early 2006 and well publicized. Don't be too concerned with the Big-N. I don't think they're overly paranoid or concerned with small time legal battles.
    • wageslaven, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3good point. Based on the editorial content, Im wondering how many Ninendo-of-America employees are in these forums.

      no shortage it seems.
    • Xspire, on 10/12/2007, -6/+1Actually this may not be illegal... yet. You see roms aren't illegal as long as the games are out of production and you delete them off your computer after 24 hours. The only thing is that people don't. This site is kind of the same principle except you can't delete it. They might regulate it by only allowing you to activate a game for 24 hours and prevent you from playing it for like a week or something. Also Vconsole is ridiculous, I thought those damn games were supposed to be free when they announced the Wii. Oh well what you gonna do about it I guess?
    • Motrax, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Roms are still illegal if they're put out of production. Hence why even Vectrex ROMs are illegal. See my last post for source links
    • fatdog789, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6Motrax is right, xspire is just spouting a myth (see Snopes).

      ROMs are not time-limited to 24 hours. They are legitimate backup copies IF AND ONLY IF they are intended for backup use. Technically, the ROM files themselves may not be used; the data is supposed to be restored to the proper medium (ie, Nintendo cartridge) before use. Hence the term "backup."

      The 24 hour thing is just an urban myth intended to legitimize ROMs. It doesn't matter how long you have the ROM, it matters *how you use it.*

      Many of the IP owners haven't enforced their rights and challenged emulators, ROM sites simply because it wasn't worth the money. (Notable exceptions: EA, Square Enix, Sega) Now that old games are becoming popular again on the Wii and Xbox Live, you can expect that to change in the next year or two, as companies revive their interest in old IP.

      [ And BTW, abandonware is not a recognized legal concept. While there is a statute of limitations for specific copyright violations (meaning that they couldn't sue Person A for copying a game in say, 1990), the IP owner doesn't relinquish their rights to the IP unless they voluntarily do so. (trademarks are the exception; trademarks are lost if not actively protected). So they could always sue Person C for copying a game in 2007. ]
  • dagr8tim, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3I'll just stick with my NES. And if I desire to play these games on my computer, I'll use an emulator and this little honey:
    http://www.joystiq.com/2004/09/07/how-to-make-a-nintendo-controller-into-a-pc-joystick/
  • TechCF, on 10/12/2007, -4/+1Bah - still no real flash support for my 64-bit browser on my 64-bit workstation. /me off to play Zelda:ALTTP on my Wii
    • sctechguy, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Well, except that this doesn't use flash...it uses java. Also, I have a 64-bit system as well, and Flash 9 works just fine on it.
  • krishasaheadake, on 10/12/2007, -4/+2Not working on my mac. Any suggestions?
  • MeltingIce, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7http://virtualnes.com has been around for a really long time and it does exactly the same thing.
  • mrmxy88, on 10/12/2007, -8/+0M.U.L.E? M.U.L.E.! M.U.L.E.M.U.L.E.M.U.L.E.M.U.L.E.M.U.L.E.M.U.L.E.!!!!!
  • warmonger48, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4I'm officially going to get nothing done at work this afternoon...
  • ltuspud, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2Well vnes has been down for me for the last week or so...I don't know why? So to find vnes working on another site and still be able to play the old games is awesome!!! Blades of Steel and Tecmo Bowl ftw
  • po43292, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8Gentlemen, put on your 8 bit ties.
  • omgwhataguy, on 10/12/2007, -3/+0I just beat Super Mario 3 by using the warp hidden in level 5.
  • Motrax, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6Whomever was asking about the legality of this - It isn't. Emulators are legal. And someone was explaining about having a backup copy...That's true. If you have a hard copy of a game and make your own backup, that is legal. It's not legal, however, to share that file. Or include it with other emulators. And, it's even not legal to download someone else's backup copy. Only if you make your own backup of your own game. So although I'm a HUGE supporter and lover of emulation, it's not exactly legal.

    Some sources -

    http://home.cinci.rr.com/uneeditwegotit/ROMLegality.htm

    http://www.worldofspectrum.org/EmuFAQ2000/EmuFAQ_Y2KAddendum2.htm

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ROM_image
    • MasterRex, on 10/12/2007, -6/+4 Emulators may be legal; Doubtlessly, hosting games still licensed by Nintendo is not.

      Posting something like this on Digg and letting it achieve so many diggs is a slap in the face of the decency and morality of today's diggers. Be ashamed of yourselves.

      Buried.
    • fatdog789, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4Digging him down doesn't make it any less true.

      Emulators are legal.
      Backup ROMS are legal.
      Sharing *your* physical copy of the game is legal.
      Distributing copies of the game are not.

      Just recognize that there is a cost-benefit analysis here: companies won't just sue Joe Schmoe for sharing a few ROMS; the game industry was built on shareware. The companies only pursue serious offenders, like some of the bigger ROM sites a few years back (which EA and Square Enix successfully shut down as they cropped up).
  • Mc_Carter, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Double Dragon yes
  • Datyedyeguy, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2I agree with the people here in saying that VNES ( virtualnes ) is better. Another place to play old school games though is never a bad thing.
  • chubbstar, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1great. it just went down. stupid digg effect. oh well. i guess i have to start working on my essay again.... sigh..
  • hellboyz, on 10/12/2007, -2/+0The site is crashed thanks to all you fellas'!!!!!!!!!!!!
  • Snoochy, on 10/12/2007, -2/+1if both of those are down http://www.everyvideogame.com has all nes titles too. really bad sound usually though
  • DiggTheWii, on 10/12/2007, -8/+1Who ******* cares about legality? People should always concern themselves with their own morality.

    So you play 15 year old games for free? Who cares? No one stands to profit off of them anymore.

    Let's get sensible about copyright laws.
  • DiggTheWii, on 10/12/2007, -5/+2By no one, I meant the people who deserve the money- the developers.

    Not those blood suckers at Nintendo who just wrote a slapdash emulator for those games to turn a quick profit for themselves.
  • nubnub, on 10/12/2007, -3/+1http://www.virtualnes.com/ *cough this site copied of of http://www.virtualnes.com/*

    I mean it says vNES is loading game. This site deserves to die and whoever made it is retarded.
  • ggiDigg, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Buried
  • Shenaniganz08, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1why the hell do people insist on playing nes games in less then superior methods. If your gonna do it illegally ( which it pretty much is ) why use a sluggish java engine.

    I play all my nes games on nestopia running at 60fps at 1280x1024 with AA

    Excessive probably, but something about playing these games at full resolution with an NES to USB adapter that makes it all feel right :D

    http://epyon.bol.ucla.edu/ninja.jpg
    http://epyon.bol.ucla.edu/mario.jpg
    • arcooke, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1That's not anti-aliasing.. it's most likely the Super Eagle video filter.
    • sid0, on 10/12/2007, -2/+1Is it just me or has that filter always looked ugly? I can't bear the look of Mario 3. If you want a better looking Mario 3 try the SNES version.

      I've found a 25% or 50% scanlines setting (in ZSNES) to be much better.
    • pkonink, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Agreed, the x button is totally unresponsive, I can barely get past level 1. Way too sluggish.

      Plus its illegal. You can get alot of these on the Wii and they play sweet!
  • Shenaniganz08, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1no along with using filters ( 2xsai, super eagle etc) nestopia allows for multisampling ( AA ). It has a new filter ive never seen called HQx which gives results much better than super eagle
  • Shenaniganz08, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1oops correction you're right its not AA its called scaling. Im not sure what it does but going from 2-4x gives it a shaper look

    here is the same game using nestopia, same settings except now its using the super eagle filter

    http://epyon.bol.ucla.edu/eagle.jpg

    versus the hqx engine

    http://epyon.bol.ucla.edu/hqx.jpg

  • monaleilani, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I'm having alot of problems with nintendo8.com. Really garbled sound and the game isn't picking up that I'm pushing the enter button, in both IE and Firefox. It makes me sad because I want to play SMB3. Flying with a raccoon tail always did it for me.
  • tubbsthezombie, on 10/12/2007, -1/+0Or just do what I do, and download them on the computer so you can play them without needing internet connection.
  • kayler, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2this is seriously better than sex.
  • sol1964, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Wow, I really suck at Dr. Mario.
  • EvilFerret, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1Yawn..... Very cool, but they need to add some *spice* to these sites. Wake me up when they find a way to enable multiplayer browsers and ranking systems... I'd imagine it would be a lot like GameTap, except done completely in the browser with NES games and completely free (er well, ad based anyways)
  • dumpling, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1BATTLETOADS.
  • AceTracer, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Not much fun without a controller. I'll stick with my emulator.
  • soxrcol, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Dugg for Bubble Bobble!! ^_^
  • moresugarplease, on 10/12/2007, -1/+0@kayler
    "this is seriously better than sex"

    no.
    its not.
    ask anyone whos had sex before.

    and on a semi related note, heres g-pa simpson
    http://www.angelfire.com/film/tsss/ss/ihs.wav
  • GFX1003, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1All the games are slow for me, the music is slow and mario moves slow... same thing happened with TMNT. Anyone else have this problem?
  • Epik, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1SWWWWWWEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEET!!
  • ITsaNetwork, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0RawNES in my jawNES!
  • jasonliman, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0what will happen 20 years from now...
    I am able to download half-life3, halo 4 or GTA 5 online in a matter of second, and my next generation will find those games are boring because flying to Mar is more fun.
  • C0LIN, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2All I have to say for TMNT 2 on the title screen:
    B, A, B, A, UP, DOWN, B, A, LEFT, RIGHT, B, A, START!
  • chewbaccapits, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Title should read "Play 100 old school games", not HUNDREDS...
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