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- ThatsNotPudding, on 07/16/2009, -2/+15It's all based on Big Corn in beef production. Corn will quickly bulk up cattle (in feed lots) right before slaughter, but it actually makes them sick. Cattle didn't EVOLVE eating corn and their digestive system can't handle it too long. It also causes more burping and farting than seen in grass-fed cattle. So not only does the LIBERAL use of anti-biotics in the beef industry threaten human populations with MRSA-like killer bugs, the corn they use also has a dramatic impact on the atmosphere (CO2) - not to mention the massive amount of water and fertilizer used to produce the corn in the first place.
- str1fe, on 07/17/2009, -0/+11Technically, it's the bacteria that become resistant to the antibiotics, not the humans. You're both right.
- inactive, on 07/17/2009, -0/+9Yes, lovemorgul, they do, in the sense that they develop infections of common bacteria with uncommon resistances.. When you have an infection, it is caused by a population of bacteria growing inside of you. By constantly exposing this population to similar antibiotics, often without completing an entire course of the drug, which will leave some of the bacteria to recover, you increase the chance that part of the bacterial population will develop a resistance through positive selection.
/medstudent - Arsenard, on 07/17/2009, -1/+9Yes they do!!
- EdLau, on 07/17/2009, -0/+6This abuse of antibiotics from the agriculture industry is contributing to the resistance of the antibiotics by the bacteria. It's scary because of all the super bugs that is creating. Our arsenal of antibiotics is rather limited now and no new antibiotics have been created for years now.
Hopefully, we will see a new class of drugs soon, maybe drugs that disrupt the Quorum sensing abilities of the bacteria? - inactive, on 07/17/2009, -0/+6Psion01, I'm sorry if basic concepts escape you, but I fail to see how that is my problem, let alone a problem with 'med students these days'.
When a patient presents with any sort of antibiotic resistant infection, the patient is typically referred to as "methicillin-resistant" (or the drug in question, but most often methicillin). It's just a convention of modern medicine which I had thought was fairly well understood by the population at large. No one, either in the article or in these comments, is suggesting human cells become resistant to drugs, as there is no reason for them to gain such a resistance.
Next time, please try to read the entire post (especially the first line of mine, which would have cleared your issue up quite succinctly) before responding. Better to keep your mouth shut and let people think you're an idiot, and all that. - inactive, on 07/17/2009, -0/+4I accidentally all your grammar.
- zeth006, on 07/17/2009, -0/+2What the hell did he just say?
- brainflakes, on 07/17/2009, -0/+1Fitter, happier, more productive...
- str1fe, on 07/17/2009, -0/+1Not in all cases. It could be that your brain becomes unable to interpret the vibrations sent by your ears and translate them to what we interpret as "sounds".
Either way, your analogy is flawed, as ears are just a part of a living human, but bacteria are separate life forms. - ghatid, on 07/17/2009, -0/+1This is an interesting problem similar to that of Penicillin. Penicillin is awesome for treating various bacterial infections, but the more we use it, the more Penicillin resistant bacteria evolve. So do we not use it and let people die? Or should we use it and create super bacteria resistant to anything we have in our medical arsenals. I know that this article is talking about the excessive use of antibiotics, but use is use.
- ghatid, on 07/17/2009, -0/+1I don't understand how using antibiotics makes animals grow faster and larger. Can someone explain? It's not like antibiotics are steroids...
- Myztry, on 07/17/2009, -0/+1I still feel strange about all the bovine tumours we eat on a regular basis. If you have friend who slaughters for a living, let the details remain a mystery. What you don't know...
Thankfully such things can't cross species due to the immune system... - ghatid, on 07/17/2009, -0/+1I'm guessing you used the same translator to read the article as you did to send us your amazing comment....I'm impressed you read the article.
- EdLau, on 07/17/2009, -0/+1If you haven't seen this, then I would recommend it http://www.ted.com/talks/lang/eng/bonnie_bassler_o ...
- psion01, on 07/17/2009, -1/+1bsl4doc, such heroic stupidity ... it's really awesome! lovemorgul's point was that it wasn't the humans who developed resistance, but you felt it necessary to step in and correct him. Which is it, med student, the bacteria or the human? Oh, but you fell back on the "typically referred" and "fairly well understood" caveats when I called you out on it.
My stupidity will annoy a Doctor Kildair wannabe, but yours will put someone in a morgue.
Take up carpentry instead. - tomato1324, on 07/17/2009, -1/+1i think the answer is in the title of the article.....
- Swivelstick, on 07/17/2009, -1/+1Technically if I go deaf it's my ears not me.
- IgorUnchained, on 07/17/2009, -2/+2More whackjobbery from Jenny Moo-carthy and the anti injection set.
/s - ghatid, on 07/17/2009, -2/+1Hmm, I think it's also based on the fact that we (Americans) love our beef and our corn. We especially love eating our cows once they're all bulked up from eating all that corn.
I'm not quite sure why people blame the "evil" companies so much. If we didn't eat so much beef (and we didn't force everyone to drive with corn in our tanks to "save the environment") we wouldn't have so many burping/farting cows, and we wouldn't have to grow so much corn and use so many anti-biotics, etc.
If you blame the companies for making you eat beef, then it's your fault for not being able to think for yourself.
I have a question though, what's the effect of corn on the amount of CO2 in the atmosphere? Cow farts? Plants absorb carbon dioxide and then when they rot, the carbon dioxide is released back in the atmosphere or some of it ends up in the animal that eats the plant. I'm not sure what the effect of corn on the amount of CO2 in the atmosphere has to do with anything. I don't really understand the outcry of CO2 in the atmosphere. I understand that fossil fuels have stored the CO2 in concentrated form, but other than that, you can kind of assume the CO2 levels on the surface of the earth stay constant. - lovemorgul, on 07/16/2009, -7/+4Humans do not 'become' resistant to antibiotics from overusing them.
- psion01, on 07/17/2009, -9/+1So med students these days can't distinguish between humans and bacteria? No wonder health care sucks in this country. Hint: Humans are the big things that make a lot of noise when they suffer. You need a m-i-c-r-o-s-c-o-p-e to see bacteria, although if you have enough you can certainly smell them, and they don't make much noise. When the bacteria become resistant to antibiotics, they don't confer the immunity to humans, they just make the humans make suffering noises longer.
- syntaxgs, on 07/17/2009, -9/+1uh last I hear The Anti Biotic are too for the health too keep a virus away so they not put virus on you
on the other hand!
this article make the oppose point and it a intresting thing too read but I don,t agree sorry =/
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