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- burrdugg, on 11/08/2009, -3/+128That is exactly how I'm training my cat to solve rubik cube.
- furburglar, on 11/08/2009, -3/+60Turning a dog on its back is very effective and can actually strengthen the bond between dog and trainer. That said, the violence this man employs is abusive and a little sickening. I'm sure he gets his results... but I have seen a German Shepherd trained in the Schutzhund method, and the trainer was far more humane than this. Even when hungry, that dog would drop a juicy piece of raw steak from its mouth, immediately on command. Amazing.
- Garay002, on 11/09/2009, -7/+45Most of you people are ***** morons.
- proliance, on 11/08/2009, -7/+35I don't think the dog want to be a cop.
- boredco, on 11/09/2009, -5/+31Dear policeman. Please stop trying to have sex with the dog, it's clearly not in the mood.
- joosebuck, on 11/09/2009, -7/+272:12. the trainer says "see, right now he thinks he's won...i don't like to do this, but you can see..." it's inaudible after that, but from what i gather it seems like the dog is being taught that he is beta to the officer. hard to watch, but apparently necessary to protect both the officer and the dog in the line of duty.
- Wuss, on 11/09/2009, -1/+21I'm a dog owner and lover. And my first reaction to this was "HOLY SH!T", but as I watched the video, I started noticing a few things that changed my opinion.
1. It's obviously a police dog being trained.
2. the continual slams against the ground, initially, was hard to stomach, but as I continued to watch, I realized that the slams were actually controlled by the trainer. Each successive slam showed me that the trainer was actually conscious of the down force on each one.
3. It looks like they purposely went to a grassy area, which further shows that this was a thought out process, rather then some macho-esque display of domination.
4. At no point does the trainer actually swing or hit the dog in some fashion that shows outright rage,anger, or physical abuse (beyond the throwing around).
5. Each time the dog is thrown, his body language (wiggling, even occasionally wagging his tail) shows that he's physically okay. If I can see that in a crappy video, I'm sure the trainer was well aware of the dog's condition at all times.
I own a mutt I adopted from the SPCA. He's less then half the size of that german shephard (30lbs), but I wrestle and exchange light blows with him all the time, and he freakin loves it. It's just his demeaner. Also, as his owner, I know exactly how to handle him and where to rough-house where it won't cause any damage or pain. It's akin to when 2 lions "play" with each other with hundreds of pounds of force and sharp teeth and claws, yet noone gets hurt.
Just because dog's are domesticated doesn't mean they're helpless furry animals, especially work dogs like this. I think sometimes people forget where dogs come from, and what incredible capabilities they still have beyond sleeping, retrieving dirty tennis balls, and taking dumps in the lawn. - xsteponmex, on 11/09/2009, -6/+25I think the "trainer" is still learning to train the dog. There is an effective method of turning the dog over to be submissive but it doesn't include body slamming the dog over and over and causing injury.
- bs0l, on 11/09/2009, -7/+22I'm not cool with this.
- and303, on 11/09/2009, -2/+17You have absolutely no idea what you're talking about.
- Rawtashk, on 11/09/2009, -3/+15I've trolled for years, but I registered just to post on this video.
I'd bet that 95% of you don't even know that this is a Belgian Malinois, or how to handle that type of dog. Police dogs need to be able to listen and follow commands in the heat of battle, not constantly be distracted and ignoring you. Malinois are EXTREMELY smart, and have to understand that YOU are in control, NOT them. This is the same way that an alpha dog would handle this in a wild pack, pinning the dog to the ground by the throat. No pain, just letting them know you're boss. I have 2 Belgian Malinois of my own, and I've taken them down almost exactly like this from time to time if they start to try and go all alpha on me or refuse to listen. Guess what? They listen. I have 2 acres of unfenced yard, and I don't even have to watch them when I let them outside. They know the boundaries and won't cross them, not even to chase a rabbit. Oh, and they will (and have) drop steak from their mouths mid-chew if I tell them to.
Now, go back and play with your barking\chewing\running away from you and won't come back no matter how much you call it dog. - masisso, on 11/09/2009, -0/+12
This is normal training for a police dog. Some of you don't understand training a dog to work in the police force is different than training your dog to catch a frisbee. - jpenn, on 11/09/2009, -2/+13This type of treatment is not out of line, forcing the canine on it's back, against its will, demonstrates the owners dominance over the animal. The owner (officer) always has to have control over the canine and you can only do this if you are the 'pack leader'. The animal does not appear to be hurt but needs to learn to follow the instructions on the officer but it will only do that once the officer shows him dominance.
- dodger6, on 11/09/2009, -0/+8It's amazing how many people here have no clue how military / police animals are trained.
THIS IS NOT YOUR FRISBEE CATCHING BEACH DOG!
These animals are trailed to put their lives on the line obeying the command of their partner to stop and hold suspects for arrest. Most service K-9s live less than 10 years and when they retire they don't suddenly become someone's house pet they have to stay with their handlers who know what the background and training the animals have had or both owner and animal are in extreme danger.
People have to understand that these are not pets, they are trained animals who absolutely rely on the Alpha / Beta pack, if you take that away from them it will terrify these animals. Yes it's sad but it's the honest truth that every single K-9 I've been around (9 years law enforcement here) has saved the lives of both their handlers and suspects that would have been lost had it not been for the sacrifices these animals make for us. - linagee, on 11/09/2009, -0/+8No. Police training locations *are* in random locations. I've seen them in a field in my city once. It was weird they all of a sudden gathered in the middle of nowhere and did training.
- LuckyASN, on 11/09/2009, -4/+12My sides, they have split, from the lulz
- IsaacCubed, on 11/09/2009, -2/+10While what the officer is doing to the dog may not by any means be "ok," it looks like this video was made 10+ years ago....I'm guessing that by now somebody of authority has seen this video and has already done something about it.
- jotchie, on 11/09/2009, -2/+9Agreed. If you don't know anything about what is going on, don't offer your uninformed opinion.
If i need advice on how to lick some windows, I will come ask you retards. - saisumimen, on 11/09/2009, -0/+7Not to mention how often digg stories get duped... I wouldn't be surprised if they were to get "waves" of angry emails every time a submitter re-duped the story.
- DChapgier, on 11/09/2009, -3/+10THATS THE WESTERN DISTRICT WAY.
- Virgule, on 11/09/2009, -0/+7What would Cesar Millan do?
- Caeander, on 11/09/2009, -11/+17What an ***** that guy is. I sure hope he never "trains" another animal ever again.
- walgman, on 11/08/2009, -1/+6Wow.
- MacBookForMe, on 11/08/2009, -13/+18Poor dog!
- grantmoore3d, on 11/09/2009, -0/+5The dog is being allowed some of it's predatory instincts to come out as part of it's attack training and I'm sure it's quite difficult to get the animal to learn to let them out only on command. Not once did he ever hurt the animal, the only reason he even lifted the dog was because it's the easiest way to get it off-balance to pin it to the ground. If he had tried pushing, or sweeping the legs it wouldn't work as well and would possibly injure the animal. This isn't your typical fluffy doggy who just eats, ***** and gets pet... it's a police dog, and it damn well needs to understand he is the boss and only attack on command.
- Cwo655321, on 11/09/2009, -0/+5...you have to dominate him.
- grantmoore3d, on 11/09/2009, -0/+4I can see how training in random locations would be the best method. I take my dog for walks on the same route every day and he knows exactly when to turn and where we are going, as a result he often start leading. If I went a random way every single time, he would be forced to listen to me and follow... hence why those officers train in random locations. Also because that's how the dog will ultimately be deployed.
- legendxx, on 11/09/2009, -2/+6Citation Needed? I don't know the first thing about training dogs but I would like to see some studies that back up your statement either way.
- darkstar1st, on 11/08/2009, -6/+10The Dog Whisperer
- jpenn, on 11/09/2009, -1/+5In this case it does look like using the collar is the easiest way of placing the animal on it's back and in my opinion the safest for the officer. The canine does not look the worst for ware by being 'slammed' against the ground, it was grass and not pavement.
- Cornelp, on 11/09/2009, -1/+5yes, you have to pick the dog by its collar. The dog's neck is VERY strong, and majority of the times nothing happens.
He slams to dog to teach him to respond to orders properly. He is teaching the dog to do ITS job.
its not ***** if you knew how to train dogs.
BTW the dog is in no way in any physical pain... - Grym11, on 11/09/2009, -0/+4Agreed. If you watch the video, the dog was trying to bite him at one point. An enraged German Shepard represents a lethal threat. All it would've taken is one random bite to the neck. The trainer did what he had to to regain control over the situation--good for him. As much as I love dogs, people come before animals. Sorry, but that's just how it is.
Dogs *need* to know that they are not the pack leader. It's very unhealthy (and dangerous) for a dog to think it has dominance over people. Sometimes establishing dominance requires using physical force to gain submission. Even the "Dog Whisperer" uses force at times... - llotzafun, on 11/09/2009, -0/+4The reason why you lift the dog up is that in order to get the dog to be submissive, he needs to be put into a prone position with it's neck exposed. It plays on their instincts and will help achieve a better bond with the animal. If you just try to force the dog to roll over you could end up breaking one of the dogs legs as they resist. Very tough to roll an excited dog over without exerting force that feels as though it will harm the animal, you likely will damage a joint, tendons, etc. Positive reinforcement does not always work with dogs and when they are large and powerful working dogs, something like this will obviously look more alarming than if they were doing the same to a pug (though of course will not be trained to be a police dog). I once needed to do this to my Rottweiller when she pee'd on the floor (out of spite). I couldn't push her nose down because she was just too strong. She needed to be flipped over so she could be given the appropriate negative reinforcement. Some dogs need it, some dogs don't.
- llotzafun, on 11/09/2009, -1/+5Nothing wrong with this. The reason why you lift the dog up is that in order to get the dog to be submissive, he needs to be put into a prone position with it's neck exposed. If you just try to force the dog to roll over you could end up breaking one of the dogs legs. Have you ever tried to roll an extremely strong puppy over? Very tough to do without exerting force that feels as though it will harm the animal. He's not slamming the dog down like a wrestler.
- josh4rim, on 11/09/2009, -0/+4Nearly the same thing.
- verynegative, on 11/09/2009, -1/+4The dog doesnt look distressed at all.
- Maxplosion, on 11/09/2009, -0/+3Yea, figured it was something like that, cause honestly people are crying abuse but that dog doesn't really look that unhappy. Just showing him repeat it over and over makes people question it more as time passes. Also his yelling doesn't help. *edit*
- lurrch1, on 11/09/2009, -1/+4You're an idiot.
- bugalou, on 11/10/2009, -0/+3I am an animal lover and donate to the ASPCA often but c'mon guys. This is a POLICE dog in training. Do you think think the criminals it will go after are going to give a damn about ethics and the poor puppy dog's feelings? Seriously, these dogs are trained to run into gun fire and not flinch. You can't do that kind of training with milk bones and wholesome positive reinforcement. This isn't Turner and Hooch. You have to do it through pack mentality with an Alpha/beta relationship of the dog and it's handler.
K-9 units have some of the tightest bonds on police forces and I seriously doubt the handler is torturing his dog because it gets his willies off. - llotzafun, on 11/09/2009, -1/+4The reason why you lift the dog up is that in order to get the dog to be submissive, he needs to be put into a prone position with it's neck exposed. It plays on their instincts and will help achieve a better bond with the animal. If you just try to force the dog to roll over you could end up breaking one of the dogs legs as they resist. Very tough to roll an excited dog over without exerting force that feels as though it will harm the animal, you likely will damage a joint, tendons, etc. Positive reinforcement does not always work with dogs and when they are large and powerful working dogs, something like this will obviously look more alarming than if they were doing the same to a pug (though of course will not be trained to be a police dog). I once needed to do this to my Rottweiller when she pee'd on the floor (out of spite). I couldn't push her nose down because she was just too strong. She needed to be flipped over so she could be given the appropriate negative reinforcement. Some dogs need it, some dogs don't.
- ShuttleXpC, on 11/09/2009, -5/+8Well, not all police dog trainers are like this, if you even want to call him this. I've personally seen a trainer cry real tears when he found out one of his trained dogs had died protecting an officer that he was assigned to. So really, this guy seems like an exception to that, and is simply being an overbearing ass.
- iziizi, on 11/09/2009, -5/+8Perfectly normal dog training if you ask me.
- and303, on 11/09/2009, -2/+5One of you guys should lock yourself in a cage with a starving German Shepherd and see how much it cares about your well being.
- pault107, on 11/09/2009, -0/+3On first viewing I struggled to watch this video. I'm a real dog lover and to see this dog being treated like that repulsed me.
After reading all of the above comments though, I changed my mind. Then I watched the video again and understood what was happening.
As normal dog owners we don't need to train our dogs in such a way, but as this is a police dog I now understand that this kind of training is necessary. It looks harsh, true, but can you imagine how our house dogs would react in a situation like this:
http://tkcollier.files.wordpress.com/2009/04/cat_p ...
It would be total carnage. But, due to the fact these dogs have been trained so well, they stay calm and under control of their handlers.
I wouldn't be able to do that to a dog personally, but then again I'd never be a police officer. - Cornelp, on 11/09/2009, -1/+3If you knew how to train a dog, you would know these not to be excuses...
Training a dog sometimes requires what this trainer is doing.
The trainer is not inflicting any pain to the dog. This is how you traing dogs that one day may save YOUR life...
Reseach before you make dumb statements... - llotzafun, on 11/09/2009, -0/+2The reason why you lift the dog up is that in order to get the dog to be submissive, he needs to be put into a prone position with it's neck exposed. It plays on their instincts and will help achieve a better bond with the animal. If you just try to force the dog to roll over you could end up breaking one of the dogs legs. Have you ever tried to roll an extremely strong puppy over? Very tough to do without exerting force that feels as though it will harm the animal. He's not slamming the dog down like a wrestler. If he's doing it too rough, it could be due to the dog just being too heavy and him getting tired of lifting but unfortunately you can't keep starting and stopping because the dog will get mixed signals. Positive reinforcement does not always work with dogs and then they are large and powerful working dogs, something like this will obviously look more alarming than if they were doing the same to a pug (though of course will not be trained to be a police dog). I swear to you that I love dogs and treat them very well. I once needed to do this to my Rottweiller when she pee's on the floor. I couldn't push her nose down because she was just too strong. She needed to be flipped over so she could be given the appropriate negative reinforcement. Some dogs need it, some dogs don't.
- tradeplumbing, on 11/09/2009, -1/+3This is pretty much how the alpha male in a wild dog pack assets dominance over his subordinates and keeps them from stepping out of line. There's a brief scuffle and the losing animal is forced onto their back exposing their belly and throat in a submissive gesture. This dog is just being taught that the officer is his superior and his orders are to be obeyed without question. No officer would ever do anything to deliberately injure the animal they are training. It just looks far worse than it actually is.
- neognostic, on 11/08/2009, -20/+22Report the officer, his actions are a fully discredited alpha role, and he needs to have this dog removed from his care.
http://www.baltimorepolice.org/contact-us/send-us- ... - llotzafun, on 11/09/2009, -1/+3Nothing wrong with this. The reason why you lift the dog up is that in order to get the dog to be submissive, he needs to be put into a prone position with it's neck exposed. If you just try to force the dog to roll over you could end up breaking one of the dogs legs. Have you ever tried to roll an extremely strong puppy over? Very tough to do without exerting force that feels as though it will harm the animal. He's not slamming the dog down like a wrestler.
- Firestorm404, on 11/09/2009, -0/+2He is dominating the dog. Telling he is the dogs master. Even domesticated, dogs are pack creatures and the guy is trying to establish himself as the leader. This can be seen by how the guy straddles the dog, the very same way dogs do in order to dominate over one another. This man takes it to far though. There is obviously no need to be that rough with the dog and it is obvious the dog is in pain. It's one thing to roughly train the dog, it's another abuse it. This man should be fined/jailed and not allowed to own or work with dogs ever again.
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