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- MalarkeyPN, on 11/04/2009, -6/+98Maybe we can drop the "human" and just start calling them "emotions" from now on. We're not as unique as we like to think.
- Disgod, on 11/04/2009, -3/+86We really need to get rid of this view that humans are fundamentally different than other animals. We're not. We won the evolutionary lottery and our evolutionary path lead us to being one of the smartest species on Earth, but we need to get over this arrogance that we are somehow special and above the rest of life.
- iamsmooth, on 11/04/2009, -7/+80Any dog owner would know that dogs definitely have human emotions.
- thegrantman, on 11/05/2009, -5/+51Dogs have dog emotions.
- twermager, on 11/04/2009, -2/+40And..... I'm depressed after that.
- vsujohn2, on 11/05/2009, -2/+37Thankfully "pissed off because you were gone all day" isn't one of them. Always the happiest to see you.
- eatasandwich, on 11/05/2009, -2/+28What a terrible article.
"This amazing photo, showing a group of seemingly grief-stricken chimps, has triggered new debate among scientists over whether animals feel human emotions."
No it hasn't. This is something that is constantly debated by "scientists".
"Until recently it was widely thought that primates could not feel as we do."
Um...*****. "Recently"...what does that mean exactly? Who thought this? Until recently it was also thought that primates COULD feel as we do...at least by some "scientists".
"But the revelation that chimps share 96 per cent of the same DNA as humans prompted a rethink."
That's a recent discovery is it?...and a revelation?...did this fact REALLY prompt a rethink? I guess "scientists" may have started to rethink things, whoever they may be.
This is how science is often presented in the media. It's a mess. - angrytortilla, on 11/05/2009, -2/+27"Bawl of the Wild"
Way to cheapen it with such a horrid headline, Sun. - yocouchdigga, on 11/04/2009, -4/+24For such a smart species, we sure are ***** stupid. We feel, they feel, everyone feels... the world would be a better place if we could keep that in mind and at the forefront in our quest for progress.
- ohhsnap, on 11/05/2009, -1/+20Remember the dog that was crying over his dead friend in the road?
- Tarkaan, on 11/05/2009, -1/+20Fry, I waited for you!
- badqat, on 11/04/2009, -1/+19If a Gorilla can learn and use ASL, you're darn tootin' the thing experiences not only grief, but a broad range of emotions.
- Tiitar, on 11/05/2009, -2/+19You're missing his point. Our being the smartest doesn't suddenly give us a "soul" or a unique monopoly on base and instinctual emotion. Other animals are not unthinking automatons just because they're dumber than we are.
- BaoUnit, on 11/05/2009, -0/+15And doggy style...oh wait...
- GorfTron, on 11/05/2009, -0/+14And dog breath.
- t3hzexion, on 11/05/2009, -0/+12This should have been obvious from the start. They feel physical pain, why wouldn't they feel mental pain?
- yocouchdigga, on 11/05/2009, -1/+13Right, our over-inflated sense of self-worth and importance. I concur...
- Hetman, on 11/04/2009, -2/+14I do not think it is because we are stupid. I think it is because we feel superior to them. You might say that this is stupid. However are species has had literally thousands of years of conditioning telling us we are superior than animals. It is almost a part of every religion. Obviously not all but a lot of them carry this central theme.
- mrdude4290, on 11/05/2009, -3/+14Well, humans are just primates. We are closely related to chimpanzees. Other animals having emotions should not be a surprise to anyone with a basic understanding of evolution. Unfortunately, many people still do not have a basic understanding of evolution.
- DonnyDiamonds, on 11/04/2009, -2/+13It certainly made me think , and that Gorilla with the dead baby was just too close to home........very sad !!!
- yosafbridge, on 11/05/2009, -0/+10Wow...thanks a lot Digg. I come to this site to laugh and occasionally get pissed off and you have to go and get depressing on me!
I'm going to go cry in a corner now... - BluZebra, on 11/05/2009, -0/+10http://i.imgur.com/qENp9.jpg
- dafragsta, on 11/05/2009, -1/+9He didn't say better, he said different. Sentience, I think exists at all levels of intelligence with varying levels of comprehension. I think dogs are self aware, but have a harder time than humans converting short term memories to long term memories. Otherwise, I think they have the same self-awareness and mental intelligence as a 3 year old human child. They can have a broad vocabulary at that point, they have definite likes and dislikes and certainly have feelings of loss or fulfillment. If you can't see this with dogs, I seriously doubt humanity will ever be able to connect with any other non primate based animal. Sentience has long been thought to be something that only humans possessed. I think that's his point.
- getpumped87, on 11/05/2009, -1/+9NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO, one of my all time fave diggs/pics has been deleted from tinypic
http://digg.com/odd_stuff/Loyal_to_the_End_PIC_2
*edit* i found a mirror, yay - http://griefchat.org/members/adolf/images/loyal.jp ... - DjOverEZ, on 11/05/2009, -2/+10Your gorilla baby died too?
- inactive, on 11/05/2009, -1/+8emotions are not just for humans... because we humans are just animals...
- smemily, on 11/05/2009, -0/+7It is weird that they say the mother gorilla cuddling her dead baby is doing do because she can't comprehend death. Not necessarily. Many humans who lose babies or children cuddle and hold them after death.
- acrodev, on 11/05/2009, -1/+7My heart hurts.
- carolily, on 11/05/2009, -0/+6This reminds me of a documentary I saw where a mourning dolphin held her dead calf at the water surface with her snout for hours on end. It was really moving footage..
As was already said, anyone who was ever owned a cat or a dog knows what this means.
When I moved away from home, my parents told me how often my cat would sit on my bed and await my return.. That too was her mourning my disappearance.
It's surprising how underestimated the grief of animals still is, even though we find it in our own homes. - BasalCellBossk, on 11/05/2009, -2/+7Anyone who has anything to do with animals knows they have complex emotions and have deep cognitive experiences. If we have souls, so do they.
- DulcetTone, on 11/05/2009, -0/+5No kidding. And did they have a web design consultant come in to establish just which colors and proportions would undermine the credibility of everything they post?
- Hetman, on 11/04/2009, -2/+7Yea. I think it would be hard for anyone to argue that at least some species mourn. Gorrillas have to be mourning when they lose a baby. I guess it matters where you want to draw the line.
- OverDriven, on 11/05/2009, -0/+4Of course they mourn. Even animals which are far less intelligent than chimps can mourn. I remember when I was a kid and there was a bird with a nest outside my window. She cared for her babies in that nest day in and day out. One day one of the babies somehow fell out of the nest and we found it dead on the ground. The mother bird literally started singing in a way that I can only describe as "sad" and did so for days afterward. I know it sounds crazy, but I am absolutely certain that she was upset about the loss of one of her babies. Other people who saw/heard her said the exact same thing.
- RatatRatR, on 11/05/2009, -1/+5Good point.
- Gzalzi, on 11/05/2009, -0/+4When did people doubt that animals had emotions?
- ileftfark, on 11/05/2009, -2/+6>but honestly humans have the right to think like elitist.
>>humans have the right to think like elitist.
>>>think like elitist.
You have proven your case, sir. - frisk415, on 11/05/2009, -1/+4WTF? Is that even a question?
- Sabin8, on 11/05/2009, -2/+5aaaaand... tards like you have no emotions.
- jfelcans, on 11/05/2009, -0/+3Of course they do :D they lack the expression of speech like you and I but animals are very emotional creatures
- dvsbastard, on 11/05/2009, -1/+4TL;DR
(There is your constructive criticism...) - AngryDeuce, on 11/05/2009, -0/+3The "pissed off because you were gone all day" is purely a cat thing....
/cat and dog owner my whole life - fegul, on 11/05/2009, -0/+3The shot with the Chimps is pretty surreal. They are very much aware of what happened and they seem to have acted very similar to many humans during the burial. Amazing.
- swantamer, on 11/05/2009, -0/+2Anyone who doubts the emotional capacity of non-human animals is a total idiot.
- onimusha115, on 11/05/2009, -0/+2I think any pet owner can vouch that animals indeed do have human emotions. When I was growing up we had an older female dog and a young male dog. They were always together and you could tell that the older female was taking the motherly role over the younger dog. One day while we were all away at work and school she died of old age and for quite a while after that he just wasn't the same. He acted like he was moping around, didn't show much interest in eating and just generally seemed unhappy. But, over time, as with humans, he returned back to normal. So I definitely thing that animals go through a grief period, it would be hard to believe that they dont form bonds and notice when that is broken.
- Cloned, on 11/05/2009, -0/+2I would recommend reading "If a Lion Could Talk". It's an excellent book on animal emotions and actually takes a very scientific approach to it, citing journals and other studies.
- MxM111, on 11/05/2009, -1/+3"dogs definitely have human emotions"
How do you know that it is not the other way around? - Sunscreen, on 11/05/2009, -0/+2That episode still makes me sad.
- Jordan117, on 11/05/2009, -0/+2"I think of the chimp, the one with the talking hands.
In the course of the experiment, that chimp had a baby. Imagine how her trainers must have thrilled when the mother, without prompting, began to sign to her newborn.
Baby, drink milk.
Baby, play ball.
And when the baby died, the mother stood over the body, her wrinkled hands moving with animal grace, forming again and again the words: Baby, come hug, Baby, come hug, fluent now in the language of grief."
--Amy Hempel, The Collected Stories of Amy Hempel - cheapcheat, on 11/05/2009, -0/+2I couldn't agree more. They do the same thing for the "gay gene". It seems like the political correctness and societies standards are more important than the scientific findings.
http://www.onenewsnow.com/Culture/Default.aspx?id= ... - replaysMike, on 11/05/2009, -0/+2Why is this such a surprise? Of course animals feel emotion, probably most mammals do and I'm sure other species as well, it's a biological process. I think many of us forget that, maybe that explains the lack of empathy from so many people.
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