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- yocouchdigga, on 11/01/2009, -2/+17It's mentally scaring for both sexes... add that to the fact that we shouldn't be over there in the first place and the Iraqi civilian casualties (which have been substantial) and you've got a serious problem. Our country needs to be more supportive of its veterans.
- FHMKHN, on 11/01/2009, -3/+13war is called hell for a reason.
the people who start the war are not the same that fight it. wars is horrible but its an integral part of our civilization.
if age of empires/mythology has taught me anything is that pacifists never win. and that obelisks cost only 50 gold to make - inactive, on 11/01/2009, -0/+8Man these kinds of articles bring out the real ugly side of digg.
- ruarctb, on 11/01/2009, -0/+7FTA:
"Psychologically, it seems, they are emerging as equals. Officials with the Department of Defense said that initial studies of male and female veterans with similar time outside the relative security of bases in Iraq showed that mental health issues arose in roughly the same proportion for members of each sex, though research continues." - grovest4life, on 11/01/2009, -0/+6Are you hardwired and mentally prepared to kill and witness death I don't think anyone is unless they are a sociopath. I don't think anyone of either sex is fully prepared for the hell that is combat. Post traumatic stress does not discriminate between sexes.
- ishqboli, on 11/01/2009, -1/+6it´s amazing that we still associate war with glory. ask any veteran who has actually been in a battle and they´ll tell you that there is nothing glorious about it.
- newl, on 11/01/2009, -0/+4Hey, don't knock sitting around on a carrier playing spades because there isn't anything else to do while your A6s are on a sortie. :)
- AmnesiacJack, on 11/01/2009, -0/+4You're doing it wrong.
- PinkFractal, on 11/01/2009, -2/+5Wow, our society definitely needs to change their views on women. I know a female friend who's over in Iraq, she sees just as much violence and horror as a male.
- k3nnyd, on 11/01/2009, -0/+3Well it's too bad they don't prescribe MDMA for PTSD anymore..
- yocouchdigga, on 11/01/2009, -0/+2MARK IT ZERO, DUDE
- twinklyJesus, on 11/01/2009, -0/+2NO one is hard-wired to see their best friend splayed out like a lab experiment. Even though you get "used" to it, no one ever really forgets or doesn't notice. They deal with it for the rest of their lives, no matter what war you are talking about.
- inactive, on 11/01/2009, -2/+4Wow you're a real douche you know that...
- Ryan32, on 11/01/2009, -0/+2Combat would suggest the exchange (both ways) of fire.... Simply being in a mortar attack does not constitute combat.
Not to take away from the mental trauma of seeing your friends killed though... just a clarification. - zoomaKabu, on 11/01/2009, -0/+2You mean like George S. Patton or J.E.B Stuart, or a thousand others.
“Why Men Love War” (Broyles, William, Jr. 1984. Why Men Love War. Esquire pp 55-65.)
“. . .it is no mystery why men hate war. War is ugly, horrible, evil, and it is reasonable for men to hate all that. But I believe that most men who have been to war would have to admit, if they are honest, that somewhere inside of themselves they loved it too, loved it as much as anything that has happened to them before or since. And how do you explain that to your wife, your children, your parents, or your friends?". “Nothing in the way we are raised admits the possibility of loving war. It is at best a necessary evil, a patriotic duty to be discharged and then put behind us. To love war is to mock the very values we supposedly fight for. It is to be insensitive, reactionary, a brute. . . . But it may be more dangerous, both for men and nations, to suppress the reasons men love war than to admit them.” - trevor98, on 11/01/2009, -1/+3I never said anything derogatory about her experience nor will I. Taking fire with limited or no ability to return fire is a worse singular experience, however, surviving that and going out on patrol the next day and the day after that is something different. Combat is more than just shooting a gun or taking artillery fire- that's all I'm saying.
@mikelist: Infantrymen are not issued the CIB for defensive firefights, it's about time and bigger circumstances. It was designed to recognize the special hardships of the infantry- that's why your clerks and jerks can't get it and neither could I as a 19k.
@zeeohsix, they're not "real soldiers" they're airmen and sailors- just ask them. They are rightfully proud of what they do but only the army has soldiers.
The lack of familiarity with the military here is amazing. - android8675, on 11/02/2009, -0/+1Why is this article doing so badly? What am I missing here? I love the people that hang out at Digg, but then when articles like this show up and it gets less than 200 diggs, (as of now), it's just a bit confusing to me.
Loved the article, best monday morning read i've had in a long time. - Dundasbro, on 11/01/2009, -2/+3How is it not combat?
- zeeohsix, on 11/01/2009, -0/+1some veteran forums i've been to have a section for PTSD
they all help each other on how to cope with it.
i think that is the best therapy: discussing it with someone going through the same thing.
no one else would understand - Kitakaze, on 11/01/2009, -0/+1I, for one, as a ground pounder who took a spork to the forehead in the battle of Chow Line, when I was door gunner on the Space Shuttle, completely agree with you sir!
- mikelist, on 11/01/2009, -1/+2 i would agree that taking artillery isn't necessarily combat, but is commonly part of it.
a defensive firefight IS combat, as soon as the first round i touched off. those who intentionally or by job specialty seek out contact and engagement are equipped differently than those in cantonment areas and have trained intensively for it.
i think if enough defensive firefights are mounted, the cib is forthcoming. i know that a line infantryman
has to put in a certain number of days of combat potential time in the field, but when clerks and jerks successfully repel attacks, they are just as combat experienced as anyone else.
i hope you aren't a current soldier or recent vet. - yocouchdigga, on 11/02/2009, -0/+1I've known quite a few combat veterans. I'm not one but I did serve during wartime. My statement was neither self-indulgent or meant to come off as demeaning. It's the cold hard truth. bud.
Ever spend any time in a VA Hospital? - m6ack, on 11/01/2009, -3/+4Obligatory:
Should've stayed in the kitchen. - Ryan32, on 11/01/2009, -0/+1This is why the more elite units don't have these problems. They are conditioned at every corner to kill, or be killed.
The problem arises when you drop in a bunch of POG's (personel other than grunts) into a combat zone, and they don't know WTF they are doing, and haven't prepared themselves mentally. - AkuTaco, on 11/01/2009, -0/+1You must have read this article very thoroughly.
- PinkFractal, on 11/02/2009, -0/+1She's a guard. She sees it everyday. Luckily she's a very positive person. Also, you troll. Teehee!
- rocknog, on 11/01/2009, -2/+2If you had read the article, you would've seen that it's not that they experience the horrors of war differently, but rather, they're more likely to become isolated when they return from war, at least in part due to societal preconceptions.
And just to clarify, your proposed explanation is more of a psychological one than a sociological one. Psychology is more on the individual level, which is what you're talking about - suggesting that it's because the individual brain is hardwired a certain way. My response is more of a sociological one - looking at factors on the institutionalized, societal level like gender stereotypes. - twinklyJesus, on 11/01/2009, -1/+1You are welcome to leave at any time, in order to reduce the plague...
- Idiggapony, on 11/01/2009, -2/+1It _is_ mentally scarring, and our country _does_ need to be more supportive of its veterans. Your inability to express those thoughts without a self-indulgent political non-sequitur weakens those points, and demeans the suffering that combat veterans endure.
- zeeohsix, on 11/01/2009, -2/+1wow, what a pretty ***** stupid comment.
wtf next?
the air force and navy aren't "real soldiers" because they are not on the ground? - Ryan32, on 11/01/2009, -3/+1lies. Woman are in non-combat MOS's, and they don't see NEAR the combat of some of the grunt units.
Keep believing that garbage though. - trevor98, on 11/01/2009, -7/+3The combat from which she is excluded is the mission of closing with, and destroying the enemy with direct and indirect fires. Getting in a defensive firefight or getting shelled, while a traumatic experience, is not combat and it demeans all those who intentionally engage the enemy when that line is blurred.
- Myztry, on 11/01/2009, -8/+2Disorder? Being emotionally effected by experiences is part of the human condition.
Those who aren't proportionately effected by their experiences have the disorder.
War, above all else is what makes humanity unfit and a plague upon this planet. - sabach, on 11/01/2009, -8/+1I'm not a sociologist, so just throwing this out there. But maybe this is indicative of why women haven't been professional soldiers over the centuries. They are neither hardwired for it or sociologically readied.
- KevinRowz, on 11/01/2009, -25/+2People lose their lives in wars, become crippled for the rest of their lives, and this b*tch is "stressed"? Stay in the f*cking kitchen next time.
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