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- Telionis, on 05/24/2009, -11/+1651Bystander effect / Genovese Syndrome - a social psychological phenomenon in which individuals are less likely to offer help in an emergency situation when other people are present. Your brain is wired to do the same... but you can overcome the effect if you are aware of it and specifically fight it. You must assume that nobody else can help, and you alone have to act. Usually, once one person acts, the rest follow.
If you are the victim rather than a bystander, single out a bystander. Instead of saying "someone help", say "hey, you there in the brown jacket... call 911". Specific person, specific order. In a group, responsibility is diffused, but once you single someone out, you put the responsibility on that one person, and they act as though they were alone. - diemunkiesdie, on 05/24/2009, -1/+429I remember that from CPR training. You are supposed to point out one person and tell them to call for help. Don't just shout it out there because then no one will think it's their job.
- groovystratman, on 05/24/2009, -23/+382Besides the horrific and sensational circumstances of this crime,
this article also points out how 'tweeters' make WORTHLESS journalists.
I honestly could not find any significant or profound information from the "BREAKING NEWS" tweets. It's like hearing clueless idiots spew about things they aren't capable of explaining , much less "REPORTING"!!! (but they do so for their desire of 'relevance' as they ride the coattails of a "breaking news story".) If I wanted to read a bunch of posts that are the equivalent of "watching paint dry while someone scratches their fingernails on a chalkboard", I'd go to almost any online comments section and count the LOL's, pwned's and FTW's for sport.
STOP WITH ALL THE TWITTER FAWNING.
Twitter is just glorified INSTANT MESSAGING. - EMFK, on 05/24/2009, -59/+389Disgusting for all those damn people that couldn't be bothered to help her or at least call 911.
- smotpoker, on 05/24/2009, -4/+251I once saw these 3 "punk" kids (one of whom was wielding an empty 40z bottle) trying to beat one of their [former] friends at golden gate park. Their victim was already bleeding from the head by the time we saw them chasing him and within a minute or so they managed to catch up and knock him down.
The funny thing is there were quite a few hippies who were immune to this bystander effect. As soon as he went down and they started trying to hit/kick him two hippies came in swinging and about 4 or 5 more started breaking it up. Where minutes before there was a drum circle and hackysack games there were now about two dozen people defending a wounded guy they didn't know. The punk kids kinda circled around for a minute but security showed up pretty quick and they ran off.
Anyway, that is part of the reason I like hippies. I don't give a ***** if they have bad hygiene if they are good people willing to act on their convictions. They get a really bad rap IMO. - TheAverageMike, on 05/24/2009, -10/+196I like it when logic is prevails over such comments as "Disgusting for all those damn people that couldn't be bothered to help her or at least call 911." Even though this comment has less diggs...
hm. - person425, on 05/24/2009, -1/+179This has nothing to do with the "bystander effect". The two were drinking in the park. He was eating her out in public, so people called the police. When the police got there, they saw that she was drunk, so they arrested him for second degree rape.
Also, I don't see anywhere in any of the stories that 100s of people were watching. The headline and the story is *****. - kanojo1969, on 05/24/2009, -8/+177What a load of ***** this 'article' is, and these comments. There's basically no information that suggests that '100s' of people stood by and watched a woman get raped, there are so any unknowns and confirmed reports that it's just ***** to leap to OMG PEOPLE ARE ***** conclusions. Grow the ***** up, people.
Besides everything else, for every one of these reports about people doing nothing, I can find you a hundred reports of people stepping in to prevent assault or worse. People are heroes every ***** day, all over the world.
If there's any example here of a retarded herd mentality, it's the bulk of these comments. - diemunkiesdie, on 05/24/2009, -0/+157Source: http://www.khq.com/Global/story.asp?S=10414714
SPOKANE, Wash. - Spokane Police are investigating an apparent rape that occurred in broad daylight at Riverfront Park around 1:46 Saturday afternoon.
Police say a man is in custody and charged with second degree rape after the assault was witnessed by hundreds of people many of whom were children.
Police say the suspect is a panhandler in initially thought to be in his 60s. He is said to be 53-year-old Terry L. Thomas, and is well known to police. The apparent victim, a female who is in her 20s, was taken to a local Spokane hospital. Police say Thomas was forcing the woman to receive oral sex. Witnesses reported seeing her struggle and attempt to get away from the male several times. Alcohol was involved in the incident.
The initial call to police came in as two people having sex behind some bushes near the Howard St. Bridge. When Riverfront Park Security responded the male suspect was uncooperative and combative. Spokane Police were called in and the suspect began to fight with responding officers before being taken into custody.
Police say that after talking to witnesses and the female victim they do not believe the act was consensual. - veskris, on 05/24/2009, -1/+149Here's the actual news stories and not this twitter nonsense.
http://www.khq.com/Global/story.asp?S=10414714
http://www.kxly.com/Global/story.asp?S=10415124
http://www.spokesman.com/stories/2009/may/23/river ... - hookedupphat, on 05/24/2009, -6/+153I smell a law and order: SVU episode...
- Browzer, on 05/24/2009, -3/+129I am NOT blaming the victim here, but the article does not make it clear whether the woman made it known she was being raped. If you live in a city (or anywhere for that matter), you often see stupid couples scuffling in the street on a Saturday night outside the bars or at the train station. I am not going to risk getting stabbed because two people are in a silly argument. If you need help, you need to shout "RAPE!" and "HELP ME!" as loud as you can.
- coinman987, on 05/24/2009, -7/+131There have been other cases of this happening. The most famous is of Kitty Genovese, she was stabbed and killed witness by dozens of neighbors of which none called the police or tried to stop and help. It's called diffusion of responsibility. Everybody thinks everybody else is going to do something which results in no body doing anything. So, I am not surprised this happened. I would venture to say that if everyone here who bitches about our society and how horrible these people are wouldn't have done a damn thing either. That is to say if this really happened at all or if something similar happened.
- Velnich, on 05/24/2009, -1/+121This article is much better.
- Velnich, on 05/24/2009, -3/+122RTFA: It doesn't sound like anyone could even tell it was rape. When security responded it sounds like they only figured it out after talking to the female. If they couldn't tell while approaching the "couple" how could bystanders be expected to on the other side of the bushes from a distance?
- Telionis, on 05/24/2009, -15/+128It is disgusting, but it should be noted that this is *not* a case of apathy or fear, but rather a common psychological phenomenon called Bystander effect. Look up the case of "Kitty Genovese", or see my other comment below. While there may be many examples of people being too self-centered to even lift a finger for their fellow man, this is probably not one of them.
- dreamer98, on 05/24/2009, -5/+104but someone did call the police and they did show up.
it doesn't appear that the people who were watching was an audience; just people who either didn't notice, didn't think it was serious, or didn't want to confront the man.
maybe i should go knock on the door of loud-sex-neighbours and ask if anyone is dying over there? (what? too soon?) - vofuse, on 05/24/2009, -3/+96Being less conformist to societal norms probably helps them avoid being weak-minded in situations like that.
- TheLastSmile, on 05/24/2009, -2/+89There has to be more to this story than what's written.
- untzboy, on 05/24/2009, -0/+72Its not really instant messaging, its like a retarded blog.
- inactive, on 05/24/2009, -10/+76stop with your holier-than-thou attitude, you wouldn't have done anything either because as the link says people couldn't tell it was a rape.
- inactive, on 05/24/2009, -4/+66No, that is all there is to it, so we have every rights to be OUTRAGED! THINK OF THE CHILDREN! MAKE THEM ALL WALK THE PLANK! RAR RAR RAR
LET'S OVERREACT WITHOUT ALL THE FACTS! GO DIGG! - Vindexus, on 05/24/2009, -0/+61I wish the original article was written out in paragraphs instead of just cved from Twitter.
- nemof, on 05/24/2009, -6/+67Even though something is a known phenomenon (which I thought of aswell when I read this) it does not excuse peoples inaction.
I hope any one of us digg readers would step in, or do something to help. - samard2002, on 05/24/2009, -1/+60"This article is much better."
Because it's written by a real journalist. The initial blogger doesn't even realize that most people aren't going to know what city Washington Park is in. - Chooxo, on 05/24/2009, -6/+62Yeah, wish we could cut all the obvious "rape is bad" crap and get to the interesting stuff, like this.
- Meresin, on 05/24/2009, -1/+53Twitter's cool, but don't pretend it's a useful source of information. The situation described is horrifying, but this "article" is someone literally quoting people that were spitting out hearsay when they didn't really know what the hell was going on. That's not even close to reliable. Or, for that matter...Informative. :P
- VargVikernes, on 05/24/2009, -7/+58I don't know, I call this *****. I'd kind of believe that no one would help, but I'm having trouble believing that there were 100s of witnesses and not ONE snapped a photo or recorded it on his phone? Isn't it amazing that 100 or more people didn't take 1 photo of 2 people in intercourse in plain view in a public park? Come on. Don't bend the truth. Maybe 3 people saw it and that's it.
- pb200805, on 05/24/2009, -8/+58The people watching were probably busy relaying that information on twitter.
- inactive, on 05/24/2009, -2/+51Education is the key - if you know about the bystander effect, it's much easier to overcome.
- modifiedbears, on 05/24/2009, -0/+49FTA: "Police say Thomas was forcing the woman to receive oral sex."
That's pretty weird. - missymissy, on 05/24/2009, -1/+49Two friends of mine were raped on holiday in Rome,ten youths attacked them in broad daylight in the middle of a shopping arcade,nobody helped them.They managed to get back to the Hotel crying all the way and hurt,without underwear,only then did the police become involved.
Nobody was caught. - diggforworld, on 05/24/2009, -22/+66WTF, damn ***** up people.
- NJSlacker, on 05/24/2009, -0/+44"Any similarity to actual people or events is purely coincidental"
- Grazzit, on 05/24/2009, -0/+42so much more informative then random twitter comments about how I would never do that.....
- LondonBridge, on 05/24/2009, -0/+41Thank you for the details on combating the "Bystanding effect/Genovese Syndrome".
- MokaPot, on 05/24/2009, -0/+38wtf dude
- Professr, on 05/24/2009, -13/+51In America, it would only take ten bullets.
- Chooxo, on 05/24/2009, -2/+40That's what I'm thinking: if there's something weird going on, but nobody's reacting, I'm going to assume that the crowd knows better than I do, and so I don't need to act, either.
I wish I'd be the hero in that situation, but I don't know that I would be, and so I can't criticise these bystanders, either. - beachbum19, on 05/24/2009, -0/+37the story of Kitty Genovese:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kitty_Genovese - lennybird, on 05/24/2009, -2/+38+1. I love hippies. I don't care what people say.
- absurdist, on 05/24/2009, -11/+47Urban legend? You mean the Kitty Genovese case, you stupid *****?
Please don't breed. Assuming you ever get the opportunity to begin with. - Soniti, on 05/24/2009, -6/+39With a large caliber bullet, and getting them one in front of the other, I'm sure you could cut down on the amount of ammunition that would be necessary..
- nullcodes, on 05/24/2009, -9/+40While I agree with what you're saying in that there might be a scientific explanation, I don't think it should be an excuse. At least ***** call 911.
Anyway .. the effect of what you're saying can be counteracted with increased awareness ... ALWAYS call 911 if you see any sort of behavior that may show a crime on a person taking place. - RLCrisp, on 05/24/2009, -0/+30It isn't just now popular to hate Twitter, I thought it was worthless the second I heard about it. I'm sure plenty of other people fall in the same boat.
- nyxerebos, on 05/24/2009, -1/+30I live in a town centre, across from a sports bar, I've stopped paying attention when I hear women screaming because they scream blue murder every damn night, usually some drunk couple having a domestic in the street, or drunk excited girls falling off each others shoulders, etc. If women didn't scream so much for no good reason, people might aid them in an actual emergency.
- reelskamachine, on 05/24/2009, -3/+32The bystander effect isn't because of being self centered, its the thought that, "oh, there are other people around, someone else will call the police, i don't have to"
And yea, bystander effect or not, the people who didn't do anything to help her are pieces of *****. - nicksource, on 05/24/2009, -0/+28"ten youths", I think anyone would walk away right there, you need more than a couple of brave shoppers to stop a mob.
- cyberoidx, on 05/24/2009, -6/+34I'm from Mumbai, India, and I'm digging you down for being a pussy.
- CardHockman, on 05/24/2009, -0/+27Note how it says "alcohol was involved in the incident" - given how it's worded, odd as it may seem, it doesn't sound like he was the one who was drinking
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