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- real2, on 10/12/2007, -7/+135Beautiful memorial. Chinese people will never see this due to censorship from both Google and the Chinese Government.
- masamunecyrus, on 10/12/2007, -1/+80The day China becomes a free country will be a great day for the world. Chinese are extremely hard-working and brave people -- most people oppressed for generations usually are -- and there is so much economic potential there for greatness, not to mention their spectacular history, as well as their medical sciences which have been developed completely isolated from western cultures, and sometimes they actually WORK!
It's hard to believe that the Chinese government successfully squelched 100,000 revolutionaries. - mindsnare, on 10/12/2007, -7/+71it's disgusting that a country with such shocking human rights atrocities can be allowed to host something like the Olympic games. Just goes to show how the Olympics are a complete crock of corporate bollocks.
- KissTheRing, on 10/12/2007, -1/+58I never fail to be impressed every time I see the footage of the guy who stood his ground in front of those tanks
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7951501782144625225&q=tiananmen+square+tank&hl=en - GiggleStick, on 10/12/2007, -5/+53>> Look at us Americans. We're fatter and lazier that most of the rest of the world,
>> and are very much looked down upon because of our arrogant, ignorant lifestyles.
People always say this. And yet it would appear that more people emigrate to the US than to other countries. How can these two "facts" be made to agree? - oddmanout, on 10/12/2007, -0/+45background:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tiananmen_Square_protests_of_1989
this is that tank guy. he's awesome.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tank_Man - Antialias, on 10/12/2007, -2/+32Raydr,
I agree with most of your point. I just had to point out the fact that americans work on average more than most of the world(days per year, hours per week). - nanobug, on 10/12/2007, -4/+34@masamunecyrus:
"It's hard to believe that the Chinese government successfully squelched 100,000 revolutionaries."
Lack of guns. That's why all freedom loving people should be strong supporters of the 2nd Amendment in the US. - beaurich, on 10/12/2007, -0/+27@ Raydr
The point is that Americans are FREE to be fat and lazy if they want to be.
Further more it is extremely stereo typical to call all Americans fat and lazy. I work two jobs and go to school full time. Just because some Americans are fat does not mean they are lazy, it means we live in a pretty great country. Scientists are now contributing things like increased air conditioning in the work environment to the obesity issue. It is a luxury Americans have afforded themselves by working hard and being free.
We have a choice too be fat and lazy. So does the rest of the world. Also, you might want to check Eu ropes obesity problems before you go pinning this strictly on the US. - bigfkncee, on 10/12/2007, -3/+27Heartbreaking. Dugg
- oblivinated, on 10/12/2007, -2/+25Can somebody please show me a non google video link for this video? I'm in China and Google Video isn't supported here T_T. "Currently, the playback feature of Google Video isn't available in your country."
- addrake, on 10/12/2007, -3/+25Obviously, this is not a compliment to the Chinese government, just an observation: It amazes me they were able to quell this uprising when so many other anti-communist uprisings (Russia, Ukraine, East Germany) couldn't. The Chinese were so close to freedom there, and they gave it up for a half-ass market economy.
- happyperson, on 10/12/2007, -0/+22Its also worth remembering that all the footage you've ever seen of the massacre was either smuggled out of china or was approved by the government, so imagine what didn't manage to get out.
- repran, on 10/12/2007, -0/+22I was there - 14 back then - one of the few foreign permanent residents still in Beijing at the time. We picked up my brother from a friend across town and went to see the bruning tanks on our way back. Did you know that the students managed to block the troops approaching from the west Chang An Street? Only the ones approaching from the east made it to the square - which was more than enough of cause. 'Tian An Men' is Chinese for Gate of Heavenly Peace. We got evacuated a few days later.
- SteelChicken, on 10/12/2007, -5/+26Thats a perfect example of damned if you do, damned if you dont.
Damned if you dont interefere in a regime (China) that has horrible human rights violations,
Damned if you DO interefere in a regime (Iraq) that has horrible human rights violations.
Id sure like to see other nations than the US step up and put pressure on totaliarian regimes. - slater, on 10/12/2007, -28/+48are you talking about China or the US? hurrr hurrr (sorry)
- thewaz, on 10/12/2007, -10/+29are you in china? answer: no
Location: Markham, Ontario - KissTheRing, on 10/12/2007, -0/+19Wikipedia says he either dissapared into the crowd after talking with the tank driver or was possibly executed.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tank_Man - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -6/+22god damn it where's my ***** wall.
- vermin, on 10/12/2007, -7/+20Putting political pressure on a country is very different from invading it.
- mecole21, on 10/12/2007, -2/+15"Why don't you ask the kids at Tiananmen square?
Was fashion the reason why they were there?"
-System of a Down - yukevster, on 10/12/2007, -0/+13A few years ago I was teaching English to a group of young Chinese. I decided to borrow a library book documenting the Tiananmen Massacre. Before I showed it to them I asked what they knew of the incident. They replied some crazy, radical students on drugs went mad and attacked people. When I told them it was described as a massacre in the West they laughed and said, "only a few people died".
Then I gave them the book complete with graphic pictures. They all gathered round, jaws dropped in astonishment. The class was strangely quite for the remainder of the lesson. - dalooo, on 10/12/2007, -0/+12Just of note, I know a student who was there at the time. He told me the protest wasn't for democracy, it was agaisnt corruption in the government.
Also the soliders that were initially there were playing cards and talking with the students at the time, and they got transferred out and a bunch of soliders from a different part of the country was brought in when they decided to start shooting the students.
It's sad even after the bravery and effort the students put in the government of China is still as corrupt as before. I'm not referring to the head of the country, but the people involved in the system, they still take bribes, and especially the ones that are benefitting from China selling of it's state assets, you'll notice how many of these national assets try to become public companies in the US. - weirdone, on 10/12/2007, -1/+13"Raydr,
I agree with most of your point. I just had to point out the fact that americans work on average more than most of the world(days per year, hours per week)."
Just wanted to reiterate this. We're the 2nd hardest working developed nation in the world behind only Japan and both our economies show it. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -2/+14They have learned... They've learned how to have a tighter grip on information... with the help of google, yahoo, cisco, etc.
- cantbearsed1, on 10/12/2007, -0/+12also, can someone translate what that guy says at the end?
- happyperson, on 10/12/2007, -0/+11Its only McCarthyism, when you start thinking that sombody who once knew sombody who caught a climps of a Communist leaflet is gonna destroy the fabric of exsistance.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+12A lot of it was broadcast by ABC, who then had their offices shut down. Today there's a government censor working at each of these offices, controlling what gets transmitted out of the country.
I wish we'd just shut down all our uselessplasticcrap factories down in China and stop supporting such a commufacist state. - darkstar949, on 10/12/2007, -1/+11First off there is a huge difference between people running around starting fires, destroying property, and looting goods - and a bunch of students sitting around with pro-democracy banners.
Second - we don't really know who made the video, and not all people that live in the West were even born in the West - for example, if someone was born in China and then migrates to the United States, does that make them a "imperialist westerner"?
Third - name a country that doesn't try to influence the inner workings of the world - even the small countries that nobody has heard of have some influence on the inner workings.
Fourth - people are starving and suffering pretty much everywhere in the world - however, most of the Hurricane Katrina recovery effort is well underway, but considering that most of the city was flooded it will take a long time before things are back to normal there. Also, most of those affected by the storm moved to other places in the country and are currently putting things back together in their life's. - lsatkins, on 10/12/2007, -0/+10i've never seen footage of how he got moved away from the tanks, or did he get run over?
- JamieBarrows, on 10/12/2007, -1/+10There is a big difference between a riot where people are looting stores and homes, and a demonstration where people are chanting slogans and carrying signs. Also, when we deal with rioters here in the US, we arrest them. We don't mow them down with tanks.
- chriskzoo, on 10/12/2007, -0/+9Anyone have the video (it was on PBS) where they interviewed 4 top students at China's premier high school and showed them a picture of the Tank Man - not one of them had ever seen the picture or had any idea what it was about.
- Hush, on 10/12/2007, -1/+9That's powerful footage, and I give respect to those people who stood up like that. Too bad it didn't make a change, if the whole country had stood up with them it would have been different.
- nlfreedom, on 10/12/2007, -1/+9A risk worth taking, I uploaded the original to the following which is likely not blocked.
http://www.newslookup.cn/mass.mp4
http://www.newslookup.com.cn/mass.mp4
http://www.newslookup.com/Asia/China/mass.mp4 - VaamYob, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8I hope youtube will work for you.
http://youtube.com/results?search_type=search_videos&search_sort=relevance&search_query=Tiananmen&search=Search - philz, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/tankman/view/
- codethief, on 10/12/2007, -3/+10Horrible :(
- takehiro12, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7Wow! What a powerful video. It brought a tear to my eye.
I walked through Tiananmen in 2001 and couldn't get over what an incredibly immense and impressive space it is. I also couldn't get the massacre out of my mind and how it's almost glossed over as a footnote in China's consciousness. An amazing people who deserve so much more. - hkbigfly, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7@ ivachen
I believe most of the bloody scenes were released by individuals or media other than cctv.
One point I wanna make it really clear is that most of young kids in china doesn't know anything about what happened in June 4, 1989 and never heard of "culture revolution", which imho is very sad. Chinese people should have the right to know what had happened since the communist party took over china. - Corrosionx, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7The Chinese government may not deserve it, but the Chinese people sure do!
They are not the same thing, In a few years the Chinese people will prevail and be the next great free nation, a new beacon of liberty. - _Caboose_, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6Here's the program on PBS that you can watch online for free:
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/tankman/view/ - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7this brought tears to my eyes
- timlee, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7Something to the effect of: "To the opposition, I have (?), each of you harm China"
It's hard to translate without context but it's definitely not what Jeebugorn said it was. - cyberswat, on 10/12/2007, -4/+10Coming soon to an American city near you.
- teethman, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5A traitor to his race? Are Chinese people genetically programmed to one specific way of government? And what the ***** does America have to do with anything? You could bash America all you like, but what relevence does that have when looking at China? People want to get free, and the Chinese government ***** them up.
- estee065, on 10/12/2007, -2/+7Chilling. Well put together and the music choice was spot on.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5There was a documentary on PBS, I missed the broadcasts when it aired, but they had it online, along with other information. I highly recommend everyone to watch this: http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/tankman/
- sundancekid503, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4The "tank man" has to be one of the bravest sons of a bitch I've ever seen. I get chills everytime I see that scene. One man, even if only temporarily, stopped an entire column of tanks.
That guy, whoever he is, gets my respect anyday. - ASoggyWaffle, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4its from requiem for a dream, clint mansell composed it, there was a compilation made for the second LOTR movie i think
- RodeoRobot, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5Political pressure isn't very effective unless the people you're negotiating with know you're willing to use force to defend your position.
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