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- gamasutra, on 11/01/2007, -27/+454It all started when he refused to show his ID. They then grabbed him as he was leaving. He said don't touch me - resulting in the first zap.
He fell, and then they asked him to get up. He could not get up, so they tased him again. This was repeated a total of 5 times. - iceperson, on 11/01/2007, -27/+412I'm shaking right now I'm so angry. I didn't give 8 years of my life serving in the Corps so things like this could happen...
- dboylon, on 11/01/2007, -45/+418When the cops abuse their powers there is only one thing to do...sue them.
- JasonDelta, on 10/27/2007, -9/+351More information on the incident at http://dailybruin.ucla.edu/news/articles.asp?id=38958
- itsthemechanic, on 11/01/2007, -23/+350@ Frankie:
"Almost all cases of police abuse are related to the person not being respectful. Police are people of authority. Didn't most people's parents teach to respect authority."
Respect is earned, not demanded at the barrel of a gun. This cops have proven that they don't deserve any. Period. - ClassicJBC, on 11/01/2007, -14/+339Don't be caught without your papers, or the Gestapo will take you away.
- SLP1111, on 11/01/2007, -30/+337That was absolutely revolting. Thats all you can say about this case. When someones body recieves that large of a jolt of electricity in rapid succesion it will paralyze the muscles- even if he wanted to stand up he couldnt.
- geuisteses, on 10/27/2007, -93/+353That entire crowd is a bunch of pussies. Next time something like this happens the entire crowd needs to grab the ***** cops and beat the ***** out of them. Shove their ***** nightsticks up their asses and put their tasers on HIGH.
- CiXeL, on 10/12/2007, -37/+293wow thats ***** horrible
i hope they fire their asses.
i left california for _specifically_ this reason.
the police situation in california is getting completely out of hand. - ClassicJBC, on 10/27/2007, -16/+243"Immediately after the incident, several students began to contact local news outlets, informing them of the incident, and Remesnitsky wrote an e-mail to Interim Chancellor Norman Abrams."
chancellor@conet.ucla.edu
Don't let stories like this die. Let's get some answers. - marmaduke, on 10/12/2007, -27/+245"gharding"
Are you kidding me???
That was the most disgusting thing I have ever seen.
They are allowed to respond with equal force, not like this.
I am just very glad that someone was there to see and video tape this,
and if those cops are not immediately fired and sued, then our justice system is broken. - iceperson, on 10/12/2007, -9/+220""...As the student was screaming, UCPD officers repeatedly told him to stand up and said "stop fighting us." The student did not stand up as the officers requested and they shot him with the Taser at least once more...""
First, the guy told the cops he had a medical condition. Secondly, I wonder how long it would take you to get up after being cuffed and shocked. Once you have someone under your control (cuffed and subdued) you DON'T use electrical shock. - lasombragh, on 10/12/2007, -7/+196Again, it's kind of impossible to stand up when you're being fried. There are plenty of clips that substantiate this on the internet, of perfectly healthy individuals (some in even exceptional physical condition) unable to control their bodies.
And no *****. I wonder why? When tens of thousands of volts are making every ***** muscle in someone's body contract, how in the hell can someone even get up?
So unless this student had a sawed-off hanging out of his shirt, I'm failing to see any defensible position to this gross over-reaction... - brbubba, on 10/12/2007, -21/+209Thank you for that link. That video made me shake to my core. I just wish those students had acted sooner to intervene. If I was there I would have called the cops and had them all arrested for assault with a deadly weapon. I don't even know if I could have contained myself from defending the individual by attacking the campus officers. Those bastards deserve to be in jail. At the very least I hope this student gets a nice settlement, with a video like that any jury would ream the university.
- MBarnwell, on 10/12/2007, -10/+188poor bastards name was, Mostafa Tabatabainejad. i'm sure that didn't help his cause.
source: http://www.nbc4.tv/news/10325914/detail.html - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -35/+212I would loved to see the throng of students beat the living ***** out of those power-abusing, crooked officers.
How many times do we find articles of how somebody dies from 2 tasers alone? ***** up. - wstrucke, on 10/12/2007, -11/+170Fired?!? THEY should be arrested.
- bonemachine, on 10/12/2007, -7/+160Which one was that? Protecting or serving?
- lickmygiggle, on 10/12/2007, -8/+161There's no reason to tase someone if they are being nonviolent, and not a threat to you. Something tells me these people would have tased Ghandi if they had the chance.
Also, as it is my understanding, being tased is quite painful. Now if I'm laying on the ground, being tased...I think I'm not going to want to do anything but lay on the ground some more, and maybe writhe in pain. It wouldn't matter if someone was yelling "stand up" at me.
If these officers were acting solely on their training, then their training was wrong.
It really is nothing but an abuse of power. - robertDouglass, on 11/10/2007, -10/+152This reaffirms my belief that every person should be armed with some sort of video/audio recording device. It is just too important that the world sees how incidents unfold.
- dead2sin, on 10/12/2007, -18/+146Yes, the police officers were totally out of line. In fact, I would hope they got fired for how they handled the situation. It is also true that the student reacted in a way that didn't exactly prompt the best response either.
Also....police brutality existed long before the patriot act =)~ - robertDouglass, on 11/10/2007, -18/+131Where are the riots?
- Genthree, on 10/12/2007, -5/+113This is the associated press report....media bias anyone?
"LOS ANGELES, California (AP) -- A UCLA police officer shocked a student with a stun gun at a campus library after he refused repeated requests to show student identification and wouldn't leave, police said.
The student, Mostafa Tabatabainejad, was shocked Tuesday at about 11 p.m. as police did a routine check of student IDs at the University of California, Los Angeles Powell Library computer lab.
"This is a long-standing library policy to ensure the safety of students during the late-night hours," said UCLA Police Department spokeswoman Nancy Greenstein.
She said police tried to escort Tabatabainejad, 23, out of the library after he refused to provide identification.
Tabatabainejad instead encouraged others at the library to join his resistance, and when a crowd began to gather, police used the stun gun on him, Greenstein said.
Tabatabainejad was arrested for resisting and obstructing a police officer and later released on his own recognizance.
He declined to comment Wednesday night." - lukas88, on 10/12/2007, -27/+131For the people saying stuff like, "so this is what America has gone to..."
Anywhere you go in this world, you are going to find corrupt people, especially cops. It is human nature. America is no different. It is impossible to avoid the occasional abuse of power. And perhaps our government is not doing enough to get rid of it.
But have a little pride in the fact that this happened at around midnight and by 8:30 the next morning, THE WHOLE COUNTRY knows about it and is outraged. America is not just its cops, not just its government, it is primarily us, the people. Have no uncertainty that we will make this right. Those cops will be punished. That guy will get justice. Is there really any doubt in your mind that this is the case?
The fact that you wouldn't doubt it for a second, shows that America is great. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -13/+105Remember, if you ever get tased, drop to the floor, shake like crazy and try to drool or foam at the mouth, make it look like your going to die give the guards the ***** shock. Whatever you do, dont struggle or act aggressively you want to make the officer look as bad as possible you want there to be absolutely no justification - get that ***** fired.
- gjd131, on 10/12/2007, -14/+106The worst part is, cops like this are really hurting other cops who are in real danger, because after enought police departments get sued for incidents like this, they will no long allow cops to carry tasers, and then when another cop actually needs one for an actual dangerous situation, they won't have it.
- ajb2015, on 10/12/2007, -4/+83Give the police a call. Let them know what you think.
http://www.ucpd.ucla.edu/ucpd/contact.html - themicah, on 10/12/2007, -25/+103Even the guy with the camera phone was too frightened to get anywhere near the "action". Cops are not men, they're like fascist skinheads - no balls unless they're with two or three friends and they're armed. Watching that was disgusting, true. Now imagine what the POTUS believes to be reasonable interrogation techniques. As scary as it is to hear some American kid screaming like that from a taser, imagine what it's like to hear hundreds of unknown people screaming like that for years, without ever being charged with a crime. I hope these rent-a-cops get shot by some random crackhead over a ham sandwich. Bitches.
- IbnDigg, on 10/12/2007, -14/+91I can't believe this stuff still happens in our "civilised" society.
- christianw, on 10/12/2007, -8/+80im emailing senator boxer about this incident as we speak. I suggest you all do the same. Barbara Boxer will not stand for something like this in her district and will not let up until those officers are in jail where they belong. All we have to do is let her know how we feel.
http://boxer.senate.gov/ - Zantozz, on 11/10/2007, -5/+76Ok, yeah, he was being a dick. But damn, you could hear the *agony* in that kids screams. I would want to lie on the ground and collect myself as well before getting up.
But in that, I would probably be one of the first people in that group to start getting some badge numbers, names, etc. The UCLA police are lucky that they didn't have a mob or a riot on their hands after that incident.
Bravo for whoever recorded this. - Suzilla, on 10/12/2007, -4/+73Cops used to be trained in simple, but highly effective jujitsu techniques for managing the unruly or the uncooperative. I saw one cop "escort" a guy who had at least 100 lbs on him, with a quick grip and twist of the wrist. No gun, no tasers (didn't have them back when this happened), just the right move. Technology makes it too damned easy to hurt, mame, and kill. Enough already.
- ahhell, on 11/10/2007, -28/+95The US sounds like such a fantastic place to live.
/scared - ClassicJBC, on 10/12/2007, -3/+62The more I think about this, the more it bothers me. I mean, what do you do in a situation like this, even when it's so drawn out? I honestly don't blame people for not intervening more, because what are you going to do, really? You can try to pull the cops off, but that would take at least five or six other people helping. And then what? You let them go and they beat and arrest you.
And it's not like you can call the police, because... well, duh.
Does the ACLU have some kind of video or tips for this kind of thing? Imagine if it were more severe. What if the three cops were beating him instead of tasing him? Do you risk being beaten or shot to stand up for the kid? Do you go in alone, knowing others might not follow you? - Kniggit, on 10/12/2007, -10/+66I've been through something similar, though wasn't arrested. I was charged under the student code of conduct for causing a disturbance even though the other party assaulted me by grabbing my arm. Oh, and the party that grabbed my arm employed the daughter of the person who "disciplined" me by fining me and giving me conduct probation for acts of violence (even though I haven't been in a fight since I was in grade school and have a clean criminal record).
The epilogue to this is that I now keep the canvassers for donations to my university on the phone for an hour every year they call me, and every year I tell them to overturn the judgment against me and return my fine money. Nothing ever changes, but I sure get a kick out of wasting an hour of their time.
The lesson here is clear, folks: ALL college/university administrations impose arbitrary rules against their students, believe that normal civil and criminal rights do not exist on their campuses, and will destroy your academic career and more if given half the chance. Even if you try staying out of their way, getting in front of the wrong people involved with said administrations can damage your life. - dvddesign, on 10/12/2007, -8/+61Wrong, you use tasers to disarm those who COULD potentially be a threat.
Tell me how someone who's complying, however beligerently you percieve it, is a threat to anyone? If he says "DON'T TOUCH ME!" you arrest his ass. You don't taze him. Tazers have become the new pepper spray. It's being overused to avoid any potential injury on the officer's part, which could be understandable, but there's no rationale given in this case for why he's enough of a threat to be tased. Follow the jerk out of the library. Keep 10 feet, if he doesn't comply, arrest his ass. Campus cops don't have to act like hired goons.
If a cop asks you to get on your knees in public and you protest your arrest in person, they could tase you on the same grounds they did this guy. At no point did this guy seem enough of a threat or a problem to consider tasering a useful end to this. I'd hate to have to be the University dealing with this. Heads will roll. - AZTriGuy, on 11/10/2007, -25/+78I'll bet he'll return those library books on time now...
- CiXeL, on 11/10/2007, -4/+57yeah think about the oxymoron here. theyre tazing the ***** out of him and telling him to get up despite the fact the shocks are paralyzing him.
- Ghstfce, on 10/12/2007, -5/+55Deal with low lives everyday? They're CAMPUS cops, not LAPD. The closest thing to a lowlife they've had to deal with is a wasted fratboy dressed as a hooker during rush week. Please. Your trying to mesh a glorified security guard with and actual police officer.
- christianw, on 10/12/2007, -5/+56@ ajb2015
thanks for the link, lets do one better though =)
Chief of Police,
Karl T. Ross
825-1633 kross@
ucpd.ucla.edu
THATS who you email or call to let them know how you feel my friend. - mstar, on 10/12/2007, -17/+66If they're in a union they won't be fired. Nothing meaningful will happen to them...
- Lumiras, on 11/10/2007, -6/+55I hope every one of those ***** cops gets fired from the force.
They should not have tasered the guy that many times. It is true that he did not have his ID in the library, which is required, but tasering him went too far. If anything, they should have just arrested him for trespassing instead of abusing him like they did. - david76, on 10/12/2007, -4/+52I'll never understand why police officers demand compliance when the individual is unable to comply. And then punish you for non-compliance.
If you get tazed you really can't move because all of your muscles are in spasm. So, it's kind of hard to stand up.
If you're on the ground and the officer is applying pressure and you're resisting that pressure for fear of, say, breaking your arm they yell "Stop resisting". But, if you immediately let your arm go limp, and they're applying so much pressure resisting your natural resistance, they're going to break your arm.
It was interesting that they threatened to taze the guy at the very end who was trying to speak his mind to the officer. - eidolons, on 10/12/2007, -4/+51Inexcusable use of force. A student who didn't even commit any kind of crime, is tasered and then re-tasered like that, you have a serious abuse of power on your hands. This is very upsetting. I work at a university and can just imagine a ridiculous situation like this occurring. Police, you can't treat students who don't flash their LIBRARY CARD as criminals!
- Ghstfce, on 10/12/2007, -4/+51I agree, rasing one's voice is not a combative act. Even though he was yelling, he had already agreed to leave. The campus cops just got angry over his words and decided that they were going to teach him a lesson. Unfortunately for them, it was all being recorded. I really do hope they lose their jobs and end up having to serve that guy fries at the local McDonald's. But let's be honest... They'll only get a slap on the wrist. /sigh
- ByteGuerilla, on 10/12/2007, -5/+51This makes me sick. They taser the guy, and then while he is incapacitated, tell him to stand up? That's like torturing for someone for information by removing their tongue, and then telling them if they don't tell you what you want to know, you'll start breaking bones. These cops are either criminally stupid for not knowing the effects of their own weapons, or criminally insane for wilfully torturing the guy.
r00tus3r, you clearly haven't seen what the police do when you try to video what they're doing. If they're not too busy jacking off on their own capacity to induce pain in a human being, they're confiscating evidence of their crimes. [Clarification: not ALL police, just these types of jerkwad police in this case.] - sonicdevo, on 10/12/2007, -4/+49The thing is, tazing someone isn't completely harmless... they should only taze someone who is an actual threat to them, not to punish for lack of cooperation. (I mean, the kid was laying on the floor for pete's sake).
If this kid had happened to have a heart condition, he might've died there on the library floor... all because (presumably) he's a smartass and the cops were pissed that he wouldn't ID himself or come with them. - Guye, on 10/12/2007, -6/+50I don't care if he was being disrespectful.
I don't care if he was instigating a confrontation.
And I don't care if he refused to leave (which he didn't, because you clearly hear him tell the cops he's leaving right before he gets tasered).
The point is, he was CLEARLY incapacitated after he was tasered, if not the first time, then the second time (or the third, or the fourth, or the fifth...) and at that point any further use of force by the police was unnecessary. What continued to unfold from that point on amounts to torture, and abuse. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -7/+51@jon3k:
he was leaving and you should be able to leave anywhere WITHOUT your papers
no he shouldnt have been allowed to stay but he should have been allowed to leave.
It isnt 1984 but it is abuse of power.. if anything it is reversed 1984 because wwe all have cams now
It is pure 100% abuse of power - falstaff, on 10/12/2007, -5/+47You can always trust a Los Angeleno to have a video camera around when the cops gets rowdy.
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