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- kadio, on 10/12/2007, -76/+278I don't believe these are soldiers. I think they are contractors maybe being escorted by soldiers. that said:
these stupid bastards complain about being unable to shoot kids...well, maybe they should go ahead and shoot one of em...then we won't have to feel bad when we see reports of an IED or RPG taking out another "contractor" on the news tonight.
***** this war, and ***** those who profit off it.
we have no right to occupy these people. they have every right to resist. - Easty, on 10/12/2007, -18/+174@artiomh86
Err... Since when did the Iraqi people have anything to do with 9/11? - lacronicus, on 10/12/2007, -44/+125""we have no right to occupy these people. they have every right to resist."
neither did they had any right blowing the world trade, but hey you just miss that point out why don't you, you dumb ***** idiot."
You are quite possibly the most ill informed person ive ever met. they didnt blow the world trade center up. and their is perfectly logical proof for that, not some government plot that would be the first thing you would try to defend against. it was Al-Quaeda, and despite all other things heussien did in office, he did keep said organization out of his country. one of the few major benefits of a dictator is that they can act quickly and efficiently, and so they are able to defend themselves against such a threat much more easily. To say that he was a good leader would be a lie, but to say that he was not effective would be too.
get a clue, moron. - garg, on 10/12/2007, -21/+93artiomh86 > Moron. Iraqis and Iraqi children did not fly planes into the WTC. Some terrorist group run by Bin Laden flew planes in the WTC.
It's amazzzzing that that people still think that the Iraqi army flew planes into the WTC. Do these people live under a rock? On mars?
I need to learn this technique of wide spread deception. How in the world were they so easily able to brain wash so many people?
//frustrated. - fancypantscz, on 10/12/2007, -15/+84Having grown up in America I know how aggressive, violent and pig headed some people can be. I also know that many of these people join the military. This is all fine because I want a strong military to defend our country. The problem arises when we try to use this same force to win hearts and minds and create a democracy in a place like Iraq.
I really hope our nation as a whole learns you simply do more harm than good when you try to solve every problem with a gun. - IbnDigg, on 10/12/2007, -16/+85"we don't occupy them, currently we occupy their country"
what the ***** kinda drugs are you on? - Moocat, on 10/12/2007, -10/+62These people are soldiers, the guy talking refers to the fact that his "1st sgt" won't let him use deadly force early on. That's a supervisory position in the military, like a human resources manager and a babysitter all rolled into one.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -7/+37One (possibly dumb) question - where are these kids' parent's at and WHY THE HELL are they letting their kids hurl rocks at people with VERY LARGE GUNS!?!?!
- neoform, on 10/12/2007, -8/+35lacronicus:
These guys are clearly in Iraq, not Afghanistan. Iraq had NOTHING TO DO WITH 9/11. Thus, they shouldn't be there and should expect resistance. - renzien, on 10/12/2007, -28/+54I was definitely under the impression that they were soldiers. Either way, hopefully things will take a turn for the better and we can get out of there soon without much more harm done.
- niczar, on 10/12/2007, -9/+35Well the US military is certainly not in Iraq to create a democracy. Since 1945 I can't think of one instance where it has been so.
Recent polls in Iraq show that 87% of Iraqi (and that includes Kurds) want the US to get the ***** out of their country. How's that for a first step in establishing democracy there: GET THE ***** OUT as the people want. Until then, one cannot pretend to be in favor of democracy. - Linh, on 10/12/2007, -11/+36yeah, those were not military trucks, it was military escorting a convoy.
And I agree with the non-lethal force. - TheKillDoctor, on 10/12/2007, -1/+23How about throwing toys instead.
- johnhummel, on 10/12/2007, -8/+27Carguy: And yet, the poster did not say that the soldiers shot at the children - only lamented that these particular people wanted to solve the problem with a gun.
Perhaps you should check your school system instead, and find out why Johnny didn't learn how to read people's posts. - t4k3n, on 10/12/2007, -37/+53nice to see our big oil tankers getting our oil safely home.
Thanks america!
/sarcasm ... not that i needed to say it - socket, on 10/12/2007, -2/+19From the looks of it these are U.S. Army personal. At the very beginning the guy speaking refers to his "First Sergeant". That's a rank in the Marines, Army, and Air Force. At one point in the video you see the driver in the truck. His camo are very obviously Army standard issue desert pattern.
As for the reference of "that's our defense that's the United States Military right there". He was referring to himself and his convoy not being able to do anything but scream and yell the F word at the children.
Their First Sergeant was correct that engaging rock throwing children with deadly force is not okay. Thank god we have some level headed people in command of our military. - DisposableRob, on 10/12/2007, -0/+17"Were they not allowed to even fire into the air to get them to disperse?"
Warning shots are considered too agressive and can be construed as engaging the enemy. You only fire your weapon if you are being fired upon. - jackkerouac, on 10/12/2007, -39/+55"9-11 was bought and paid for by the Bush-Cheney crime syndicate!"
Ha ha ha! You sir, are a complete moonbat, tinfoil-hat wearing moron. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -2/+17The good news is that the troops didnt use deadly force, probably weren't serious about wanting to use deadly force, and wouldn't really have done so if given permission. That it was basically annoyed soldiers way of saying "***** kids should have smack".
The bad news is that those kids are mirroring the local opinion, and every last one of them dreams of growing up and becoming a mujahedin, perhaps even a suicide bomber. Quite probably many of them are already recruited and do unqualified work like spotting and running messages. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -11/+26Joline, you have a point, but you also have to remember that the guys armed with the task of shooting into the air would take that to mean shooting into the air directly between them and the rock-throwing children.
- knomevol, on 10/12/2007, -5/+19let's look at it from the point of view of these children for just a second...:
they have lost, to date, somewhere between 48,000 and 54,000 of their iraqi countrymen. these are grandparents, parents, uncles and aunts, brothers and sisters, cousins, friends and neighbors.
fifty thousand civilians... not dead because saddam gassed them, dead because they were "liberated".
if i was a child in a country where fifty thousand of my fellow citizens were killed as a result of being "liberated", i think i might throw rocks too. - kadio, on 10/12/2007, -4/+17What security?
- neave, on 10/12/2007, -6/+19Just another reason for US troops to get out of Iraq as soon as possible. This occupation is no longer helping either side.
- kooft, on 10/12/2007, -2/+13Well, if I drove through the same section of town every day and was subjected to rock throwing kids each time what would my choices be? Hmm, I could spray gasoline over them and light them on fire or...
I could go a different route!
Children shouldn't be involved in the conflict, but what is and what should never be are two completely different things. That being said, the US military, contractors included, should take unusual measures to avoid children (rock throwing or not). No matter which way you cut it, these children are victims and are lashing out in any way possible at the people they perceive (rightly or wrongly) as being responsible.
While certainly these rocks could have done some serious harm, they were unlikely to be deadly, especially considering the vehicles and attire the (assumed) soldiers were in. Let's face it, if you can't handle kids throwing rocks at you, you shouldn't be in a war zone.
If it becomes acceptable to fire on children throwing rocks, then any child is open game, because from all the Iraq video I've seen there are always rocks around, which makes every kid a potential rock thrower.
"I had to shoot her sir, she was throwing rocks at me. See all these rocks around me? She threw them. See all those rocks by her? That was her stockpile. I had no choice." - ICSU, on 10/12/2007, -4/+15@fernando26
You cannot add up those two figures. Learn basic physics then come back with essays. - raid517, on 10/12/2007, -3/+13So not shooting children is something that 'hippies' do? Man that is ***** up. There used to be a building plant near where Iived when I was growing up - and although it was wrong and naughty, when I was very small - about 5 to 8 years old, I an a lot of other kids used to sometimes 'have fun' by throwing stones at the many big trucks that would enter and leave the plant. In our innocence, we never even probably registered that there were people inside the trucks - they just looked like huge imaginary monsters, or something like that to us - and we just thought that somehow we were fighting them. I'm sure the drivers found it annoying. But really did we deserve to get shot for it? I hardly think so.
On another note, for the older kids, there does seem to be a lot of general resentment that they are probably picking up from their parents. The US is clearly unwanted in this region - no one really wants you there, the population is largely hostile and the only people who support the American presence are those who have managed to carve out a position of power and influence for themselves from it - or who have profited from the countless billions that have been spent and which have simply completely evaporated in this country. It is literally nothing short of a hostile occupation.
So much I guess for the idea of Americans behaving as liberators now... - kjm2664, on 10/12/2007, -3/+13@artiomh86
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neither did they had any right blowing the world trade, but hey you just miss that point out why don't you, you dumb ***** idiot.
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These children didn't have anything to do with the World Trade Centre - wrong ***** country first of all (have you, as well as the President, forgotten about that little place called Afghanistan, and that little guy named Osama?).
These are just children who knew that they could ride their bikes on the street before the "infidels" arrived and now they live in fear. Damn right they throw rocks - they're pissed off! - gaorn, on 10/12/2007, -5/+15yea i have said i wanted to kill some little ***** when they threw something at my car...its not like i was gonna stop my car and actually do it. Its called venting frustration verbally.
- fancypantscz, on 10/12/2007, -4/+14I suppose they may be joking and that is why I made the comment about pig headed people. Their humor was in bad taste. But what should I expect from guys trained for battle.
Those kids may throw rocks today and its kinda funny. But what about after they grow up thinking that America ruined their lives and there is nothing they can do about it. Regardless of how better off Bush says Iraq is without Saddam I don't think those kids will ever hear that message. And further more I don't think it is true.
The point about using force to solve problems addresses two issues. First, the idea that shooting back at those kids with a machine gun is somehow going to help our mission in Iraq is not so bright. Second, it was really surprising to me that people actually thought that something good was going to come out of an Iraq invasion. I guess the idea was the if our bombs and guns are good enough the bad guys would loose. We never stopped to consider how on earth we were going to tell the difference between the good guys and the bad guys. This video shows what an impossible position we have gotten ourselves into and the attitude of the soldiers (joking or not) only compounds that problem.
All I could think about while watching the clip was why are these American guys even there. We still haven't gotten a strait answer. We as Americans need to think long and hard before we continue with this so called war on terrorism.
We as Americans have so much to lose by provoking war - Ulisses, on 10/12/2007, -8/+18Defending Saddam and the US Military in the same comment, brilliant.
Only problem is:
1. That US soldiers may or not be dying in Iraq is completely off the point.
2. Most Iraqis don't hate US, they do hate an ocupation that has cost them dearly. People are always too quick when extrapolating the hate foreigners may feel towards a specific conflict or the administration that wages said conflict to a hate for all things American.
3. Yes, Saddam Hussein was bad, pretty bad I'd say considering he's guilty of genocide, unless in your book that's, huh, not so bad.
4. "His" people are being instigated to violent behaviour towards different muslim sects and the US Troops, most of this is only a plot to install chaos and drive the US Army away. In the absence of a global consciousness, the likes of which would be provided by free speech it is only to easy to turn people onto eachother and that's not a feature of Iraqis in particular.
5. Saddam didn't rule to keep people in control, he ruled to subjugate both shiites and curds.
6. Should the soldiers taser the kids? Maybe shoot just one or two to scarw the others away... I guess kids with stones are a real problem to the most advanced military in the world.
7. You don't see your law enforcement ocupying your house, do you? What a ridiculous analogy.
8. Funny how you'd say they are barbarians when the whole world seems to think America better fits that role. I guess it's all about perception. Exploring foreign nations at whim, by ocupation if necessary = civilized, kids throwing rocks at military trucks = barbarians. Nice. - carapitcho, on 10/12/2007, -9/+18 >Our soldiers are trying to establish a civilized country/government, and that's not easy.
Nobody asked you to "try to". Your soldiers are just colonizing this country.
>I am starting to wonder if Husein was so bad after all.
That's what is sad with you, rednecks: you start by destroying, and then think on how to rebuild.
> You don't see our children throwing rocks at our law enforcement over here do you?
Fact is: your invasion force is not THEIR law enforcement. The US has NO legitimity to be in that country. Iraqis have the right to resist.
> Their country is not civilized, most seem like barbarians and they need to be brought down by force, since that is the only thing they understand.
Hopefully, USA are not the template of civilization, since your country brought so few to mankind except harming other people and make their own become fat and dumb.
As a bonus, I wonder what YOU do understand. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+9Should US cops shoot US kids if they throw rocks at US cop cars?
- Asianwaste, on 10/12/2007, -3/+12Oh please it's insincerity. Like you've never said "I want to smack this damn brat!" but knew you'd never in your life would do it. Just the other day I went to a sit down restaurant and these 2 damn kids were sprinting up and down the aisles and their parents just let them. I wanted to trip those kids just to show their parents why they should put a damn leash on their kids. I knew I would never do it, but told my friends I definitely want to. Pull that rod off your ass.
- darkstar949, on 10/12/2007, -0/+9"Contractors don't wear camo and don't bitch about not being able to fire their weapons."
Blackwater USA is one of the security companies over in Iraq right now - they wear camo and are armed quite well.
http://www.blackwaterusa.com/ - ponzudigital, on 10/12/2007, -11/+19It's happened to me before in the US and I never talked about killing the perpetrators.
- WaterDragon, on 10/12/2007, -14/+23@ abuser... (what an appropriate name for such a f**king idiot!)
1: soldiers have Helmets, which surely can protect their heads from rocks thrown by children
2. Many of those kids have no families, but have seen their moms and dads killed by soldiers wearing those same uniforms, and have seen their sisters raped and then killed...and their friends' families too....
And now, violent, uneducated bastards want to shoot the kids as well. You sure are a sick , barely human person. - basje, on 10/12/2007, -7/+15It's the same tactics the Palestinians used against the Israeli army. Put children in the frontline, killing(!) soldiers with rocks, and wait for the press to show the killed children that die as a result.
It's never ok to kill a kid, and I will never condone it. But then again, the people using those kids as an expendable weapon are as much to blame. Press coverage never sheds light on that aspect. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6@mikefitz
Until you go there, put yourself in those mens shows, survive it, catalogue your thoughts and actions, come back and talk about it etc.. you really have no good room to base an opinion on, and if you think our boys and girls are collecting a nice sum of money, then you must know nothing about the military. That being said, if anyone takes my post as supporting those comments made in the vidoe, you are mistaken. I merely pointed out that our troops were put into this mess by our politicians, and they handle it the best they can under that duress. Fight in a war mikefitz then come talk to some of us who already have.
@banderbe.
WTF does our dropping the bomb have to do with anything? We were stretched out on the Eastern front helping Britain, France, and Russia, and stretched in the Pacific with Japan, who by the way attacked us "EN MASSE" at Pearl Harbor in case you forgot. We dropped the bomb and it had it's effect. It ended the war with Japan.
I know my history, maybe you should revisit yours? - korea, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6On one side, I see frustrated people that can't really do anything constructive to stop these kids from throwing rocks at them. On the other side, I see mischievous kids that are, by circumstance, are allowed (and possibly encouraged at home) to throw rocks at these vehicles. I'm won't for one second pretend like I wouldn't have had a good time throwing rocks at cars when I was a little kid, especially since mortality seemed remote and the associated dangers and consequences were unknown or easily disregarded.
- celopes, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7Wow... Toys, food... Anything to win them instead of confront them even more.
You, sir, should be modded way way up... - raid517, on 10/12/2007, -2/+8"Traitor."
I think he means that the patriotic thing to do would be to take a mini gun and shoot all of those children.
Then America really can be proud. - DisposableRob, on 10/12/2007, -2/+8"Contractors don't wear camo and don't bitch about not being able to fire their weapons."
Contractors do wear camo and in many cases are better armed than our military. The Army doen't have the manpower to escort every companies' contractors, so these companies will go out and recruit escorts. - spxiii, on 10/12/2007, -5/+10Instilling democracy in Iraq...what a joke. Until our country reaches some higher plane of leadership, we have no place even suggesting our government to other nations.
If you want something to ponder regarding this, Aaron Russo's movie "America: Freedom to Fascism" is available in full on Google Video for free. - Trister0, on 10/12/2007, -3/+8@carapitcho
Way to generalize a whole nation.
“Hopefully, USA are not the template of civilization, since your country brought so few to mankind except harming other people and make their own become fat and dumb.”
We have brought so few,
The Telephone, artificial heart, computer, telegraph, the car, the widespread use of the internet and a lot more.
Damn we are all just a bunch of dumb rednecks… - mjohnson2112, on 10/12/2007, -2/+7It would be nice to think that these weren't soldiers saying this, but nothing in the video supports that. Both soldiers and civilians drive those tankers, and even in an entire military convoy, you have security vehicles roving around occasionally interdicting like what you saw.
"According to our First Seargeant, we're not authorized to engage these little bastards." Sorry, those are soldiers. Maybe their reservists, but they're soldiers none the less.
And to anyone who thinks using deadly force against kids with rocks is justified, that's just what our country needs. You want to create a real terrorist? Kill someone's little brother, or only son. See how long it takes that person to find an RPG and get some payback.
Because god wouldn't be able to save you if you shot my little brother. You'd be dead within a week. - lacronicus, on 10/12/2007, -3/+8anyone, ANYONE, who uses the word traitor in a discussion forum has lost it. especially if they're American. there is a reason people say we have the freedom of speech. you apparently have not yet grasped the concept.
- darkstar949, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5Concur, and kids with rocks is something that they still don't know how to address in the military. It is something that they have tried to address because a kid with a rock can kill a solider just as well an adult with a bullet can (put a rock in a sling and see how hard you can throw it - you will be surprised, and you can get a good deal of accuracy if you practice), and there really is no way to handle the situation. You can't shoot at them under the Geneva Conventions because you cannot become a legal combatant until you are at least 16 (although most Western countries consider 16 year old to still be a child), and if you hit one of them you have the whole world outcrying the incident. About the only thing you really can do is bunker down and hope that none of the kids get lucky with the rocks.
- ICSU, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6Then don't ***** occupy other countries. It's that simple.
- Vladamir, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4at fernando:
take a physics class. youve obviously never heard of conservation of momentum. - knomevol, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6very thoughtful...
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