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- inactive, on 07/26/2008, -42/+969Kid - "OH GOD PLEASE HELP ME I FELL!, I....I think my back is broken..oh christ it hurts so much please I'm begging you!!"
Cop 1 - "What do we do what do we do!?"
Cop 2 - "Ok everyone calm down, just calm the ***** down! First off kid, are you ok?"
Kid - "Are you ***** kidding me you stupid ***** I just fell 30 feet off a ***** bridge..ah oh god my back!"
Cop 2 - "He's resisting arrest"
Cop 3 - "We'll have to taze him"
Cop 3 - "He's resisting"
Kid - "No please don't I'm in enough pain as it is please god don't please!!!"
Cop 3 - "Officer down, back up needed"
Cop 4 - "Don't worry we're here, we'll taze him for you"
*ZZzap*
Kid - "AHHHHHHH! GOD YOU SON OF A BITCH!"
Cop 4 - "Unprovoked violence against a police officer? I do believe that's grounds for.......TAZERING!"
*ZZZZaaaaap*
Kid - "Please, somebody just kill me, please for the love of god just kill me..."
Cop 4 - ".....Jesus christ....he's becoming suicidal.....taze him again"
*ZZZZZZZzzzzzzaaaaap* - dreamtiger, on 07/26/2008, -17/+939If your back is broken, you can't stand up when the cop tells you to. If you were tased 19 times under those conditions, you would be yelling incoherently about killing some cops, too. I would propose a new law requiring serious jail time for the misuse of a taser, and no possibility of ever being employed by the public again.
- siszam, on 07/26/2008, -27/+541This was attempted murder. How can you call it anything else? I hope this young man ends up rich and the officers who attacked him end up penniless and ruined.
- inactive, on 07/26/2008, -25/+450Once again, this proves that cops simply love power.
- sdocpublishing, on 07/26/2008, -62/+485Is there a group of people fighting to ban the use of Tasers within the U.S. of America?
I have heard of some and then never of them again. The misuse of Tasers is common and consistent throughout the country.
They are torture devices, plain and simple.
Are we so unaware of our place in the Universe that we allow daily torture and abuse to be commonplace?
Are we not better than that? Can't we be better that? - rothwegk, on 07/28/2008, -10/+3271st: It baffles me why we have seen the use of tasers to get someone to comply, It's a good thing they didn't have tasers when Gandhi was engaged in non-violent protests...they would have turned violent and history would now read differently.
2nd: The fact that this is a kid (16 years old) should make it a crime in and of itself. We pass law after law to protect our children, and we use "protect the children" as a battle cry in just about every argument these days, yet the very individuals who are tasked with protecting them are the ones who perpetrated this act of violence against a child. Where is CPS now? Where is the outcry for justice?
3rd: As a logical man, I try to put myself in the shoes of the police in this case. How in the world do you tase someone 19 times without it ever occurring to someone that maybe the kid is hurt, or maybe something else is wrong. It used to be that cops would come and assess the situation, then make a decision on what course of action to take. Now they come in, assume the kid is doped up on drugs, and pull out the taser for some justifiable fun. I see nothing fun or useful in inflicting that kind of pain on another human being. Then when caught they concoct an unprovable story of a non-compliant kid screaming anti-cop rhetoric at them...and do any of us wonder anymore why the cops are always telling video activists to turn off the camera?!?
These police officers should be fired and brought up on criminal charges...especially because this is a child, not an adult. - AikoMiko, on 07/28/2008, -2/+311... I had to taze him, he flopped at me. And he was bleeding all suspicious like.
- Erich100, on 07/26/2008, -15/+308Does this make anyone question the intelligence of our law enforcement officials?
- Ninh, on 07/27/2008, -7/+268Defense attorney: The young man was dead when the officers arrived on the scene, only by use of electric shocks were they able to revive and save him!
- inactive, on 07/28/2008, -4/+259Tazers aren't the problem. Poorly trained and poorly educated cops are.
These guys were such pussies that they decided to tazer a kid before even trying to see what was wrong with him.
That means they first assumed his condition, probably decided that he was on drugs. And as we all know, all drugs turn people into superhumans with superhuman strength.
Then, instead of just trying to get a hold of him, they decided to not risk it and went about tazering him 19 times.
That's like using a gun to drill a hole in the wall to hang a picture.
The tazer is the best self-defense tool there is. It's less dangerous than the stick, more effective than mace, doesn't leave permanent injuries in 99.9999% of cases.
The problem is that we give them to complete idiots. It's always the small town cops too, only required training is to fill out a questionnaire and not have a criminal record. - hikaruzero, on 07/28/2008, -11/+205HOW the HELL can you possibly need to tase somebody NINETEEN TIMES when he's LYING ON THE GROUND WITH A BROKEN BACK! Obscenities or not, threats or not, the guy is HARMLESS. At this point, the cops are tasering the kid just for fun, they know he cannot stand or fight back and, no doubt, he's going to be pissed and cursing up a storm, HIS BACK IS BROKEN. What the hell is going on in my country!
- Torsteinator, on 07/26/2008, -13/+197what the hell?
- inactive, on 07/28/2008, -15/+185The police were probably jealous that a half-dead teen still has a brighter future then they do.
- dinobot, on 07/28/2008, -3/+171This is sick! I think anyone who is badly injured would undoubtedly flail because of pain.
One time I got severely sick and coming in and out of conscience, witnesses said I was yelling profanities left and right, calling people names and whatnot - so the whole of him yelling about killing cops might be a response to what was happening to him, or he was just hallucinating -- or the cops were just making that ***** up to cover their asses - StripeyMagee, on 07/26/2008, -10/+161Those cops need a taser enema
- mentallyinhell, on 07/28/2008, -7/+140And the police are justifying this how? He made comments like kill cops so he was considered a threat. How ***** ridiculous.
- MasterPain, on 07/28/2008, -5/+137We will teach to fall off an overpass !
- nick1971, on 07/28/2008, -12/+105Putting on my best American accent - He should sue
- dgaspard, on 07/28/2008, -2/+94If something doesn't work the first 2 times. Why would you try another 17?
- tripledjr, on 07/28/2008, -16/+108***** cops.
- units, on 07/28/2008, -1/+88Right, so...the kid who jumped/fell 30 feet and is staggering in pain is going to seriously be threatening cops. You'd rather believe the _only_ witness unsworn testimony from the police, the only party who has something to lose if it turns out he'd been tazered against protocol that he was not, in fact, tazered against protocol. Interesting..
- Mononuclear, on 07/28/2008, -1/+86"He refused to comply with the officers and so the officers had to deploy their Tasers in order to subdue him."
I will bet that they tased him because he refused to stand up. I have seen time and time again when cops will tase someone order them to stand up and when they don't (because they can't) they tase them again and the cycle repeats.
I am sure the cops ordered this kid to stand up (he couldn't because he had a broken back) and when he didn't stand up they tased him. Then they told him to stand up again and when he didn't comply they tased him again. Rinse and repeat. - sindex, on 07/28/2008, -7/+91There is nothing wrong with tasers. The problem is overzealous police who use them haphazardly, particularly in this case when this kid clearly posed no threat.
"He refused to comply with the officers and so the officers had to deploy their Tasers in order to subdue him. He is making incoherent statements; he's also making statements such as, 'Shoot cops, kill cops,' things like that. So there was cause for concern to the officers." - Ozark Police Capt. Thomas Rousset
Well, hey, ever think he was making incoherent statements because he had fallen 30 feet and broke his back? How much concern does a trained police officer really have over his safety from a 16 year-old kid with a broken back? The problem is our police force is increasingly populated with abusive meatheads instead of well-trained negotiators. Brute force isn't supposed to replace critical thought, but that's what we see happening.
Law enforcement needs an overhaul. - TxAggie08, on 07/28/2008, -4/+88My experience has been most cops are powertripping these days. There is almost nothing that they do that they are held accountable for outside of killing someone. There needs to be a check to the ridiculous amount of power that cops have these days. It also seems that many police forces seem more interested in gathering revenue than actually protecting the safety of citizens. The motto is no longer "To Protect and serve" but "To fleece and harass"
- Hellman109, on 07/28/2008, -11/+87The problems isnt the taser (Ive seen it used to take down mainly people drugged up, where physical force cant do that) its how they are used.
Like most things they can be used well or very bad. Rolling pin - great for making pizza bases, bad for bashing people with, etc.
Here in Australia if a cop shoots his gun there is always an investigation, generally small, to make sure he followed the rules. They should do the same with tasers, the cop needs to justify its use or face disciplinary action. - pckbeta, on 07/28/2008, -14/+89Southern Missouri? ***** he's lucky he's not black or hispanic cause then they would have just shot him.
- GreyICE, on 07/28/2008, -0/+75No, really, he should.
I'm sorry, but the legal system created lawsuits for exactly these sorts of solutions.
We all know the cops are just going to get a 2-month paid suspension or some BS, so hit them where it hurts. 2-3 million, and I bet they'll at least have to answer some awkward questions about how their stupid actions cost the government 3 million dollars. - ProjectGSX, on 07/28/2008, -4/+72So the assumption is that, if the cops didnt have tasers, they would have just shot this kid? Unlikely. The fact that you have "non-lethal weapons" means you can use them more freely, and this case is an obvious one in that regard. As the police official stated, they arent even looking into whether or not the use of a taser was warranted in this case. If they had shot the kid, obviously that would be under review.
In my opinion, the problem is not the taser but the people wielding them. And that is no different than the problem with guns. - chrysrobyn, on 07/28/2008, -4/+71Okay, so the kid falls 30 feet, breaks his back and heel. By the time the cops find him, he's delirious too -- maybe a concussion?
What part of a 16 year old kid who can barely move is a threat? Even if he's saying stuff like "kill cops" and "shoot cops" (I read the article), I can't imagine what cop would actually be threatened by that.
It seems to me that "refusing to follow orders by an officer" has become a crime that is punishable by taser without due process. Just because there are no lasting physical effects (aside from delaying surgery for a broken back by 2 days), everyone just assumes it's okay to induce pain. - skyshock1, on 07/28/2008, -4/+68I would encourage people to go over the head of the Chief of Police (he'll just protect his boys anyway) and email the City Administrator of Ozark, Steve Childers.
http://www.ozarkmissouri.com/CityAdmin.cfm
schilders@ozarkmissouri.org
Contact their City Council - http://www.ozarkmissouri.com/councilmembers.cfm - alex7575, on 07/28/2008, -1/+62Mono,
Your comment boils my blood, not because I think it's wrong, but because I'm afraid is correct... - dncarlson, on 07/28/2008, -1/+61No, my mind has long since been made up.
- Spytap, on 07/28/2008, -0/+56I disagree, that sounds worse. The kid's got a broken back and they're claiming he was going to dart out into traffic? DART?
- dinobot, on 07/28/2008, -1/+57The problem lies on the attitude of cops, here's an excerpt from the officers.com forums regarding the case of the guy that died after being tased 9 times WHILE handcuffed.
"You are responsible for your own actions. Get drunk and act dumb: reap what you sow. Snort, shoot or smoke stuff and act dumb: reap what you sow. Decide you're above the law? I'll show you where the line is, champ. It's pretty simple. Tasers dont randomly shock somebody. So it isn't the Tasers fault. I am not randomly picking people out of the crowds to zap... so it isn't MY fault. Gee, that kind of leaves one person left to be responsible: the idiot. Stop acting like an idiot, take responsibility and submit to police authority and things will be better in the morning.
Stop resisting. It's pretty simple. When people submit, they don't get hurt. Court is the place for fighting. Not the street. Don't want our tools used against you? Then don't resist.
Here is the question... if we take Tasers away, what do we replace it with?
My answer is simple. If you take this device away from me, I am going back to the old hickory method. Period. You dont want a 5 second or 10 second compliance-inducing shock... fine... Then I will give you 30 seconds or a minute... or more... of the WORST beating in the history of your life with a 3 foot stick. You will have bruises and tissue damage for weeks because of this pain-compliance inducing technique. Think your heart beats fast from AA impulses? Try adrenaline and millions of other electrical receptors in your body as you receive blow after blow to the peroneal nerve or major muscle groups.
I will have order in my city. And there will be no resistance tolerated. My fellow officers and I are going home, uninjured.
Thank you, that is all."
So, he's saying that if we don't let him use his taser to shock us as many times he deems necessary for us to become docile, he will just beat the crap out of us with his billy club.
Quis custodiet upsos custodes? - alex7575, on 07/28/2008, -1/+55"they didn't know his back was broken. Unless cops have xray vision; which I think they don't."
the kid fell 30 feet down, if you need xray vision to figure out that the kid could be really hurt, you have no business being a cop... - ChayD, on 07/28/2008, -3/+56"He failed to comply"?!?! How the ***** can you ***** comply if you've just fallen 30 ft off a ***** bridge?? What a bunch of trigger-happy *****!!! Are they gonna start tasing traffic accident victims next? "He wuz slurmped over the steering wheel, unconscious, I reckin he'd been drinkin', so I tayzerd 'im" "Didn't y'all notice the fact that the front of the car was smashed up" "No, I cain't say I deeyud, sir" (supposedly done in hillbilly accent).
- infiniphunk, on 07/28/2008, -3/+55It doesn't matter, anyone who disrespects authority and the police should be killed on the spot. Otherwise you're just condoning terrorism and marijuana use.
- inactive, on 07/28/2008, -8/+56Prime example of our law enforcement picking from the bottom of the barrel and having no further psycho evaluations from then on.
Dear Parents, in the most innocent of situations, the cops can very well be a danger to your children. Look up the numbers, they kill people's children all the time. If you think the ***** in this case are unique, your kidding yourself. This happens rountinely. How do I know, I used to live with cops. These bastards are right on the other side of the line for the asswipes the are supposedly supposed to be "protecting" us from.
Dear Parents,
Please consult your lawyer on what to tell your kid's when/if they may ever be harassed by a pig cop. Keep your children at home on days when "Policeman Friendly" comes to school. Its no more than subservient brainwashing ***** and your kids will be better not subjected to it.
Dear Kids,
If a Cop ever asks you a question. Give them your name ONLY and DO NOT ANSWER ANYTHING ELSE. Which is also the same thing as NOT giving them permission to physically search you. Only ask questions like "Are you detaining me and if not am I free to go?" "And if so why." Any other correspondence with a cop after detainment should be, "I have the to remain silent until I talk to an attorney".
Its that fvking simple with these Crispy Creme eating douchbags
http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=police ... - Metalcard, on 07/28/2008, -1/+47The tox screen came back negative.
- hankidic, on 07/28/2008, -17/+62***** the police.
- inactive, on 07/28/2008, -2/+441. No one is going to believe a 16 year old over police officers.
2. The police know this.
3. Unless there is video, they can get away with just about anything. - gllopc, on 07/28/2008, -5/+47I think there's more to the story than is being reported.
- HerculePoirot, on 07/28/2008, -3/+43I smell BS. How is anybody with a broken back going to comply with anything.
- inactive, on 07/28/2008, -1/+41"Is there a group of people fighting to ban the use of Tasers within the U.S. of America? I have heard of some and then never of them again."
They stopped resisting after they got Tasered. - ncc74656m, on 07/28/2008, -4/+43FTA:
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Ozark Police Capt. Thomas Rousset attempted to explain why the taser was used:
"He refused to comply with the officers and so the officers had to deploy their Tasers in order to subdue him. He is making incoherent statements; he's also making statements such as, 'Shoot cops, kill cops,' things like that. So there was cause for concern to the officers."
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Umm, I'm still at a loss to explain how some kid who is undoubtedly LYING ON THE SIDE OF THE ROAD is in any way potentially harmful to others. I'd be inclined to believe that he was more likely delirious from whatever fall he took and said whatever drivel came to mind, ASSUMING HE SAID ANYTHING. I'm sure this backwards retarded inbred hick of a cop is pulling ***** out of his ass laughing all the way to the bank with this one.
These lousy bastards should be suspended without pay pending their review (including their ***** Captain), and then led out on their hands and knees into the back yard like dogs on leashes, tazered 19 times, and then thrown into prison with the GP. - ButtSmudge, on 07/28/2008, -8/+47If the kid is injured, cant get up, and is on the ground, why would you taser him? Do they think the taser is the Ghostbuster gun that can lift people off the ground?
- gbarger, on 07/28/2008, -0/+39more information...not from rawstory.
http://www.news-leader.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?A ... - DooM, on 07/28/2008, -3/+41Some idiot always runs into these stories commenting about guns - a taser is NOT a replacement for a GUN. If an officer is in a situation that would usually require lethal force that officer SHOULD use lethal force. The taser replaces fists and billy clubs.
The problem in my mind is that getting into a physical altercation provides some incentive for the officer to find an alternative solution to a difficult situation while the presence of a taser enables that officer to say "***** it, I'll just zap the bitch." - jstone, on 07/28/2008, -4/+40The problem is that, while Tasers were designed to replace guns in certain situations, they really haven't. Instead, many police officers are using Tasers in completely inappropriate ways because of their non-lethal nature. Instead of a 'last resort', as was intended, the Taser has become a 'compliance' weapon.
- zoodoo12, on 07/28/2008, -3/+39why the ***** isn't anyone outraged, especially the family of the kid
don't you think that 19 times is 17 or 18 times too many, and 19 too many with a broken back -
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