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- inactive, on 04/27/2008, -4/+62OMG. Healthy food and no stupid TV.
That's Unamerican! - WordsnCollision, on 04/27/2008, -5/+35Will they be taught the theory of evolution?
- r1y23, on 04/27/2008, -4/+32They have to learn about the color red first
- inactive, on 04/27/2008, -3/+25I agree no TV. I think a few hours of MTV/BET and they would be scarred for life.
- ApokalypseNow, on 04/27/2008, -1/+19"They were home schooled, not given massive brain trauma through screwdriver+hammer+nostril."
Dude, have you seen the parents? Have you listened to them? In this case, the brain trauma might be preferable. - blankhorizons, on 04/27/2008, -3/+21“We’re not going to throw them in the middle of the pond in an alien world,”
Yeah, but why not try and ease them out of the one they're already in? - Suricou, on 04/27/2008, -1/+19I have to assume that these children were being raised on the assumption that they would never leave that ranch, because clearly their parents had no intention of preparing them for the outside world. A self-contained, multigenerational community - ran with the intention that people could be born, raised, married, reproduce, grow old and die without leaving the property. That is the only explanation I can see for the deliberate isolation.
In any case, the associated court activity for this fiasco is going slowly. Very, very slowly. Hundreds of lawyers are involved - so many the courthouse has been extended by videoconferencing links to other buildings because it just couldn't hold them all in one place. It's going to be a good few years before the investigation and legal action can conclusively rule either way. - dansvan, on 04/27/2008, -1/+17No TV? That shouldn't be their first concern.
- inactive, on 04/27/2008, -0/+14You can separate from society, but not molest little girls!
- Snowy, on 04/27/2008, -0/+12umm when the girl is 12....TWELVE...and pregnant that most certainly is rape. Even if it wasn't "forced" rape a girl that young does not have the ability or maturity to make proper choices, that is why we have statutory RAPE laws. The do sometimes go wrong when two 17 year olds get charged as sex offenders...but these girls were 12 and 13. You make it sound like the government just when in and starting taking children, they had left this group alone until a scared 13 year old who already had a baby called the cops.
- Suricou, on 04/27/2008, -0/+12It depends on state. First, if the sex is forced (physically) or coerced (Threaten to punish them, or convince them God will punish them, if they refuse sex), then that makes it rape regardless of age. If the sex was willing, then it depends on the age of consent, which varies between states. In the state of Texas, where the ranch is, the age is 17. Having sex with someone below that age is always illegal, the charge being statutory rape, regardless of how willing they are. Even if they initiate the sex. There might be a close-in-age exception (Don't want to jail 18-year-olds with 17-year-old girlfriends), not sure on that. The children around which this case revolves are under 17, and the men well over 18, so if any sexual activity did take place as the accusations claim then this was certinly illegal.
- hauntedchippy, on 04/27/2008, -1/+12No, it's the act of forcing it that makes it rape, idiot.
- hauntedchippy, on 04/27/2008, -2/+13It was the rape and forced marriage that I found to be particularly wretched, also the miseducation. Do you really think that is acceptable conduct in the 21st century in the USA?
- methos75, on 04/27/2008, -2/+12The baptist don't set up little villages that are in reality nothing more than freak dens for pediphiles, the day the baptist start setting up their own little compounds where 50 year old men rape and impreganate 13 year, is the day we throw them all in jail also.
- inactive, on 04/27/2008, -2/+11if i prank call the police and they raid your home and find a bunch of dead hookers, should you not be charged?
- cubicrystal, on 04/27/2008, -9/+17This whole charade is outrageous - from the beginning to the end. RETURN THOSE CHILDREN TO THEIR MOTHERS!
- executorzz, on 04/27/2008, -8/+16It appears that the government raided this compound on bad information from a prank caller in Colorado because they have never found the abused individual who supposedly made the calls from the compound.
See how the government and main stream media is sweeping the real story under the rug. False accusations and prank calls can have your children taken from you...Jokes aside this shouldn't be happening in america. And I smell a big lawsuit against the state of Texas. - hauntedchippy, on 04/27/2008, -4/+12You can romanticise like that or you can look at exactly what was happening to those women and children. Forced rape and marriage has no place any society, especially not the United States of America. People are free to do their own thing sure, but when you start hurting others and especially children then you need to be stopped. Parents do not own their children, they are their stewards.
- justice7, on 04/27/2008, -0/+7I am reminded of "The Village".
- sheldonl, on 04/27/2008, -2/+9One thing that is very scary is that these kids are going to be put into baptist and evangelical homes . You can't do more psychological damage than that. These evangelicals are the same people that put out mormon hate literature on a regular basis, they hate mormon's with a passion. I know b/c I have many mormon friends (I'm a pastafarian) and I've seen it first hand. These people are just as scary and extreme as the FLDS group. Don't let those people anywhere near those kids.
- cowtown, on 04/27/2008, -1/+8Exactly. Prank calls may get your children taken from you... IF the accusations are true. There is no way a 13 year old can give informed consent to an arranged marriage, and especially to the consummation of it. Something tells me the caller is going to find that any time she does for this crime will go very smoothly, with lots of TV, outside food, and a nice one-person cell. Think Andy Dufresne without the chronic rape, which, come to think of it, is more than some of those little girls could have hoped for.
- inactive, on 04/27/2008, -1/+8Middle aged men molesting 12 year old girls is wretched!
- ee456544, on 04/27/2008, -4/+10yeah but it seems they were abused anyway.
- Snowy, on 04/27/2008, -2/+8"OTHER THAN MAYBE SEX WITH TEENAGERS"...that IS a crime...and not the environment to raise children in
- AlexGrant, on 04/27/2008, -2/+8You are really starting to piss me off. Yeah we get it, you've probably read some Nietzsche and realize that there is no objective morality. If you want to go live in some country where everyone does whatever they hell they want, go for it. Unfortunately for you, most countries are built upon stable institutions and laws in an effort to maintain a stable society.
If you think you've got it all figured out and want to defend pedophilia, go write a book about it, I'm sure you have amazing philosophical ideas that have never been touched upon in the past. - inactive, on 04/27/2008, -2/+7When keeping women as sex slaves and brood mares is a tenant of your faith, I think it's time for the government to step in. Or do you agree with the forced marriage of minor children to middle aged men? If FLDS was just some wacky but innocuous religion with weird customs or ways of life, I'd say more power to them, but that's hardly the case. The male members of the church were allowed access to the outside world while their wives were kept as ignorant prisoners.
- methos75, on 04/27/2008, -1/+6They were forced against their will to have sex with these peds, thats rape no matter how you slice it.
- inactive, on 04/27/2008, -0/+5According to foster care statistics I've seen:
Only 1% of these kids will get to go to college.
50% of them won't graduate high-school.
33% will be homeless in their lifetime.
50% of the girls will be pregnant by 19.
25% of the boys will be fathers by 19.
Each and everyone of them is 30 times more likely to end up in prison.
http://www.azhope.com/Foster_Care_Statistics.html - inactive, on 04/27/2008, -2/+6Is this the 21st century and USA.
- gandhi2, on 04/27/2008, -0/+4I'll stick up for them. It doesn't matter if 99% of the community is guilty of abuse...the fact that 1/100th is bereft of their children for who knows how long while they get the trial in order(it could be years) is a disgrace to justice.
The reasons I will support them even if the majority are guilty(which I don't believe for an instant) is that it is VITAL to maintain our rights of fair and speedy trial, and to be convicted before being condemned. CPS in this case, and in fact most of the time, acts as a band of goons, without regard for concerns or well-being of either the child or parents. The evidence leading to this trial is sparse and unverified. We cannot support conviction or even justify a warrant for arrest on such little evidence.
Another reason I'll stick up for this crowd is that there seems to be no way to fix the *****-up that the Texas law enforcement has made, IF the majority of parents are found to be innocent. When parents are wrongfully accused, there is absolutely no recourse. Parents are considered guilty from the slightest accusation, and while a trial is going on, will not have any opportunity to be with their children. How can this be reversed if the parent is acquitted? This is not a concern of the court system or the CPS, and that must be changed. Good parents should not have to live with the horror of being separated from their children for months or even years and then simply told "Oops. Sorry. We screwed up, get over it."
Finally, I support the group partly because they have been vilified so much...and although most people will claim they are against the marrying of older men to younger woman, or that underage sex occurred, or arranged marriages, I believe motivations lie in different areas. The evidence for these things is not sufficient in the least, but people will latch on to them in an eyeblink because they would REALLY like to condemn the practice of polygamy and of living closed off from the modern world. Frankly I don't see a single thing wrong with consenting individuals having sex or forming marriage contracts with whomever they please. I am primarily talking about consenting "adults" as we have defined "adult," but I could still perhaps defend somebody as young as 16 giving consent. I don't see how we can have an age of consent of 16 when it's another 16 yr old, yet somebody who is married prior to 16 cannot give consent? There is not consistency...if the person is old enough to make decisions for him/herself, then what's different about having children vs. simply boinking each other? I wouldn't prefer my children getting married or having sex at that age, but it certainly happens in some corners of the world. Marriage at 16 yrs would be considered pretty conservative just 100 yrs ago. - hauntedchippy, on 04/27/2008, -1/+5I think thats the idea
- Adahn, on 04/27/2008, -2/+6"god is not great"
- sheldonl, on 04/27/2008, -2/+6There are only allegations of abuse, no proof that anyone was actually abused. Are people not innocent before being proven guilty or are we just going to resort to mob justice? Oh yeah, this is digg, socialist conspiracy-theory motivated mob justice it is.
- inactive, on 04/27/2008, -1/+5They lost that case. Nobody was convicted of anything because there was absolutely no evidence of any kind of abuse whatsoever.
Now they are trying to make the case that young girls were forced to marry. That's also bullcrap.
They are fundamentalist mormons, they follow the original mormon religion to the letter. Just like Joseph Smith and his 34 wives (aged 14 to 55).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Smith,_Jr.#Pol ...
The mormons pretend the story isn't true, despite all the legal records:
http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Search/AF/individu ... - quakken, on 04/27/2008, -0/+4They're bound to talk differently when they have none of the influences that you have. They don't watch TV and don't use the internet, they don't have the same culture. They're bound to talk differently.
- HayString, on 04/27/2008, -1/+5Interesting how the color red seems to have some kind of stigma with it but yet Warren Jeffs was driving a red escalade when he was arrested. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warren_Jeffs#Arrest.2 ...
- blackturtleus, on 04/27/2008, -2/+6The bottom line is that there was insufficient evidence to justify the kidnapping of over 400 children. Law enforcement should not have this kind of latitude! Sure, in this case, the FLDS church has been so vilified that few will stand up for their rights, but if law enforcement gets away with this atrocity, then what's to stop them from doing something just a little bit more outrageous in the future. I do not support the alleged practices of the FLDS church, but when their Constitutional rights are compromised, that makes all the rest of us less safe from the excesses of overly zealous law enforcement officials. So, for that reason, I hope that the FLDS church gets some good lawyers and I hope they sue Texas of the face of the earth, so to speak.
- mrwizard14, on 04/27/2008, -0/+4Flying Spaghetti Monster FTW!
But yeah, that makes sense. - codered1322, on 04/27/2008, -2/+6They are pedophiles who were marrying 13 year old girls. There is zero place for that in a modern society.
- Suricou, on 04/27/2008, -0/+4I think it will be on and off - expect to hear some new development rise to the headlines about once a month, as a new legal manouver is thrown in or a new witness offers potentially interesting testimony. Then it will go quiet again for a few weeks, and repeat. Base any predictions on the Madeline coverage: Huge swarm of attention, then a long period of lost interest with frequent but brief returns to the center of attention.
- methos75, on 04/27/2008, -1/+5Tell you what, you come snooping around my daughter, and you will find out quickly that everything our ancestors did wasn't all good, as I reintroduce you to inqustion style torture.
- Snowy, on 04/27/2008, -1/+5No one made him arbiter of morality, those are the laws in the United States of America, where everyone has a chance to elect officials to vote on those laws, so those laws are decided by the society as a whole. Those same ancestors you speak of were the ones that decided that early motherhood was a bad idea and made it illegal.
- Disregard, on 04/27/2008, -0/+4"Now children, for your first film, Soul Plane. Wait, come back!"
- JSStewart, on 04/27/2008, -1/+5First, get these kids the hell out of Texas.
Then quit worrying about isolating them. End the isolation now. The world is not going to change anytime soon, and the sooner they are equipped to deal with it the better.
What is going on now is just an evangelical science fair experiment. - inactive, on 04/27/2008, -2/+5@ hauntedchippy.... I can't believe you basically just said that the government owns your kids. You're retarded. Go Away with that nonsense before you infect the rest of society with your thinking!
- Leomarth, on 04/27/2008, -0/+3Especially if you do as mainstream society does and hobble your kids so they never grow into adults. For the majority of human history 13 was the age at which people got married. Our psychology hasn't changed.
And before anyone says "But we only lived to 25 then." that's *****. We've lived to be 70 since before the BCE. The idea that we only had a lifespan of 35 comes from including deaths under 10 into the statistic. Historically, if we lived past 10, we lived to be 60 to 70 even in ancient times. - dwninjungleland, on 04/27/2008, -0/+3Since the world you know is the only *real* one, right?
- matthewmartin, on 04/27/2008, -9/+12Isn't it great how we have freedom of religion as long as it is just like the Baptists? Get too weird and we'll bust you up. After all ritualized cannibalisms and zombies (communion and resurrection) is the definition of ordinary.
- hauntedchippy, on 04/27/2008, -2/+5Forced marriage, forced sex, consistenly fed warped lies, taught racism etc?
- sheldonl, on 04/27/2008, -1/+4Maybe because you have limited contact with foreign cultures...? May I suggest a course or two on cultural and religious anthropology at your nearest university..
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