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- stryker2you, on 10/12/2007, -8/+182That's just not right. This needs to make it to the front page....
- deesnutz, on 10/12/2007, -3/+135First, it's the kid getting arrested for holding a BUCK FUCH sign. Now it's this poor dude getting arrested for asking for a complaint form. I love the Internet. If it were not for the Internet all these abuses would have never seen the day of light.
And thanks to the Internet it's not only Big Brother watching the people. It's now the people watching Big Brother. Let the tables turn. No one is above the law, not even the police.
I don't hate cops, I just hate the *****. Unfortunately, law enforcement is filled with them. - JonisJon, on 10/12/2007, -5/+136The biggest problem is that the people who end up as police are those who know the least how to handle their power.
- gardnert1, on 10/12/2007, -24/+140People dont care enough about ***** that isnt happening to themselves. The problem with America is that its full of Americans. And by that I mean people are taught to care about number 1 and thats all. Thats why crime is high, thats why divorce rates are high, thats why materialism rules our culture.
- SmokedL, on 10/12/2007, -2/+116I cannot understand those defending the police involved.
There is no excuse. None. The second a person asks for a complaint form they get one no questions asked. Anything else and there is grave cause for alarm.
Of course they went there because they expected this to happen. They had gotten reports of behavior like this and went there to prove it. That means they are in the wrong? If a cop goes to investigate a suspected crime, are they also are guilty of causing it?
Don't look important things up in your gut. Think! - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+113Chief of Police Fred M. Mills: fmills@indepmo.org
Professional Standards/Internal Affairs Unit: gbrown@indepmo.org
http://www.ci.independence.mo.us/police/contact.stm - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+88By the way, the 'supervisor' shown in the video is Sgt. Clayton A. Swatzell.
- Spanktacular, on 10/12/2007, -2/+86datastorageguy, do you even understand the concept of investigative journalism? He didn't go there looking for a fight with the police, he went there to expose their brutality and corruption. THEY are at fault here, not the citizen arrested for refusing to discuss a complaint against another officer in the LOBBY. He was arrested for violating NO LAW.
Are you possessed of some absolute subservience to authority that inspires you to make such painfully stupid remarks? - chembro84, on 10/12/2007, -4/+88Most cops are pretty good guys/gals that have to deal with a lot of *****, but this guy was way over line. The guy trying to get the complaint form wasn't doing anything wrong at all, he had a slight attitude, but since when is that grounds for getting your head bashed into a window?
- dboylon, on 10/12/2007, -1/+79Even if they do dramatize the handcuffing incident...for god's sake the guy just asked for a complaint form! They have no business not giving him one. If you can't file a complaint against an officer...the officers consider themselves above the law.
- Araya213, on 10/12/2007, -2/+75He just didn't want to go back into some interrogation room where he would proceed to get the ***** kicked out of him.
- SmokedL, on 10/12/2007, -2/+68"Yes the police were wrong to make him wait that long"
That's misleading. He, repeatedly, got to speak to an officer about why he was there and they, repeatedly, refused to give him a complaint form. That's not keeping someone waiting. That's abusing ones power and refusing a citizen of the USA his lawful rights. - hackwrench, on 10/12/2007, -3/+66FCC:I'm sorry but your broadcasting license isn't going to be renewed.
- bitcloud, on 10/12/2007, -0/+59And those who are drafted due to their lack of IQ and high ability to follow instruction without question or use of initiative. Those who value these things so highly that they will do whatever they can to cover up that which might incriminate them.
It's a disgrace, and these sort of incidents are by no means isolated. - jeffiek, on 10/12/2007, -17/+75No one knows how to handle power.
- vhold, on 10/12/2007, -9/+63I'd like to digg this, but the cheesy music and constant editing with black and whitle titles flying at you to make it seem all evil are defiant to the spirit of truth.
Let reality speak for itself and lay off the dramatics when it comes to stuff like this.
The constant cutting also leads me to believe there is something simply missing from this video. He is all meekly asking for a complaint form and they suddenly detain him? Then the video asks for dontations? What aren't we seeing? - bitcloud, on 10/12/2007, -1/+45I deal with TV stations & advertisers, and most people don't follow laws, they follow intimidation.
Certain things don't get aired because it's not good business sense to attract lawsuits or turn away advertisers... It's much safer (and gets more viewers) to talk about 17 year old british kids playing with toothpaste bombs than it is to talk about *REAL* news and *REAL threats in our society... - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+43just wait untill they try to hit him with that nonexistant "cant film police officers" law
- SmokedL, on 10/12/2007, -5/+45"No one knows how to handle power."
This needs to be dugg way up, not down.
Power corrupts. Absolute power corrupts absolutely. This is why there are checks and balances written into the constitution of the USA. This is why it is every citizens duty to cry foul if authorities abuse their power. - archiesteel, on 10/12/2007, -0/+39CriX: you're missing the point. He didn't *have* to explain his complaint. All he wanted was a form, and the fact that, not only did they not give it to him, but *handcuffed* him clearly shows that the police officers present just ignored the rules.
- geronimo, on 10/12/2007, -0/+38... at the taxpayer's expense.
The guy had an attitude and didn't show much respect but being disrespectful isn't against the law. Taxpayers will end up footing the bill for this lawsuit, as they usually do in the countless police misconduct cases. I personally have little respect for cops as they haven't been there when I needed them but they were there when they weren't needed, making sure to restrict my freedom and rights.
You have to pick your battles in life, I have turned the other cheek when it comes to police abuse, but inside I have 0 respect for cops. They talk about the stress, I don't care about excuses for bad behavior. I have stress and I play by the rules.
It boils down to cops wanting to be jerks and enjoying the adrenaline rush of power. - Forgery, on 10/12/2007, -3/+36Link to the site: http://www.policeabuse.org/
(though it's under heavy load right now) - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -3/+34i get the feeling most policemen are just insecure little pricks who can only relieve their stress by taking it out on other defenseless people. but then, nearly everyone employed by the government is like that (dmv, school admins, white house staff, etc).
- Araya213, on 10/12/2007, -5/+33No *****, they would never show this on TV.
- spartanking, on 10/12/2007, -3/+30It's 99% of police that make the other 1% look bad.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -2/+26@chembro, I keep hearing this "most are good cops" story, but everything I've seen including all my personal encounters leads me to believe the "***** cop" is the norm. I'm a polite guy and never broke any laws leading up to the encounters, so there was no reason to be an *****, they just were/are.
- yoda715, on 10/12/2007, -14/+37I agree
- archiesteel, on 10/12/2007, -0/+22Disciplinary actions against cops need to be a lot more severe. You break the law? You get *twice* the normal penalty. You're supposed to uphold the law! If you break it, you damage society in two ways: with the actual crime, and by undermining the public's confidence in the institution of law enforcement.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+22The guy is an investigator investigating police abuse so why would he be causing trouble?
Why didnt the police just give him the form? That right there is wrong, not giving the form. Then they proceed to be confrontational to a person asking for a form. Maybe I missed it but which part is the investigator doing wrong? - bitcloud, on 10/12/2007, -1/+20Yeah this sort of ***** has happened to me first hand.
The saying "power corrupts" wasn't coined for fun... These guy's often have let it go to their heads, and there's little recourse when it does..
The only thing that can be done is we recognise the problems when they arise. - misinformation, on 10/12/2007, -0/+18Well I've reached my quota of reading stupidity quite bright and early this morning. I thank you sir.
- dboylon, on 10/12/2007, -1/+18You guys are pathetic. The guy was not allowed to get a complaint form. That is the tragic thing here. The editing and the arrest may have been played up for effect but the police invetigator was correct. The police department was indeed corrupt. They wouldn't let him file a complaint. Why is this so hard to understand? Are you all braindead?
- vhold, on 10/12/2007, -11/+28"But whatever, the existing footage speaks for itself, don't kid yourself into believing that it went down any other way, you're just blindfolding yourself."
I'm just questioning why it seems so doctored. What's more blindfolded? Blindly accepting this video as truth, or questioning it?
You can't even really tell what way it actually went down. They show him being carted off camera, but then what? Not only does it cut all over the place, but there is no clear aftermath.
Also, watch the part where he hits his face on the plexiglass carefully. Does it actually look to you like the cop is pushing him aggressively? I'm sorry, but to me it doesn't. To me it looks like he threw himself into it. Watch it a few times.
They show a hospital, then they show him lying somewhere with his eyes closed and what looks like a cut on his face. Did he require stitches, or were they creating a false notion of what happened by just showing stuff?
Then after all that, he asks for money. I'm sorry, but BS senses definitely tingling. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -3/+19For Skype users you can reach Chief Fred M. Mills @ 816-325-7271 FAX 816-325-7316
You can reach internal affairs @ gbrown@indepmo.org or 816-325-7820 - misinformation, on 10/12/2007, -1/+16Do you want to watch 25 or so minutes of tape split up over several clips on YouTube?
- misinformation, on 10/12/2007, -2/+17He still was turned down the form from the beginning. Anything he does after that is null and void if the point of the video is to show police misconduct (refusing or making a complaint difficult is misconduct). If he was swearing from the start he would have most likely been arrested and there'd be no cut up video as there wouldn't be enough to cut. The officer he first speaks to doesn't seem to be treating him like someone who was shouting profusely before any editing either.
I'm would like to see the whole thing before jumping to the conclusion that the arrest was warranted as I have posted a bit earlier. Though I can say with a good deal of certainty that he was denied a complaint form and policies were disregarded. If he was swearing or acting a fool, they would most likely have treated him much more forcefully than the questionable slam against the wall. Aggressive people are arrested forcefully to minimize threats to the arresting officer (rightfully so). While edited, the actions that are shown do give clues as to what happened in between cuts. The actions shown do not depict a screaming loon. - ziggy110, on 10/12/2007, -0/+14People should be educated about these types of things and there rights at the same time,
http://www.aclu.org/
http://www.flexyourrights.org/
http://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/constitution.overview.html - allenu, on 10/12/2007, -0/+13They should add a feature where you can post a related story. Then, beneath the blurb for each story, it'll say, "If you liked this story, you might also like ..." and list other stories that are related if they get enough diggs. It would be a good way to take advantage of people's need to post related stuff.
- mrmatchgame, on 10/12/2007, -1/+14I saw this air on CNBC, He wasn't investigating Police Abuse, he was investigating on how easy (or hard in this case) it was to get a complaint form to report a cop.
- bitcloud, on 10/12/2007, -5/+18Not only that, but most of them think they are "doing the right thing"
After all, these people are probably "fags/communists/terrorists/*****/witches" or whatever the 'demon' of the day is...
"why these people gotta act diffrent anyways?" - pufuwozu, on 10/12/2007, -0/+13There was no telling how long this could have been in the queue so submitting it at any time couldn't guarantee it be on the front page at another time.
Also, (you may not know this) but the world has infact, more than one timezone (shocking, I know); whoever submitted this may have submitted it in the afternoon. - DanielNTX, on 10/12/2007, -0/+12They are probably going to charge him with "Disorderly Conduct" with a large fine. It's the catch all if they can't really pin something on him.
- Zigerot, on 10/12/2007, -0/+12I am an APA Officer in Raleigh North Carolina, the only reason that someone walking in off the street would not get a COM form is because the officers involved know what its all about. I'll bet money that an Officer came in that day saying that they might get a complaint. Now does that excuse what happened here, ***** No!
The officers here thought that they could intimidate the subject in to not making his complaint and then arrested him for trespassing when he refused to leave, and that case will get thrown out of court when its up on the docket.
I am as outraged about this as any of you, but you have to submit that the head wound was a little staged, the officer didn't direct the guys head to the window, and when it hits the guy makes a hell of a production out of the injury. Also the whole ER shot and him in pain with his three whole stitches seemed a little over the top. I think that this video should be spread around as much as possible but I wouldn't open my wallet if I was you. - Araya213, on 10/12/2007, -6/+18Well, it's obvously from the station's own video cameras (unless they let the guy film from on top of a ladder), probably took years to get the police to unass this footage. But whatever, the existing footage speaks for itself, don't kid yourself into believing that it went down any other way, you're just blindfolding yourself. It could easily happen to you.
- Sukino, on 10/12/2007, -0/+11If it happened the way the clip shows it, he is gonna make a few bucks out of it.
- pdworkin, on 10/12/2007, -3/+14Homophobic, are we?
- Arkz, on 10/12/2007, -13/+24Lex Luthor does... But he always gets stopped by... err... i forget, is it a Bird or a Plane?
- Spanktacular, on 10/12/2007, -0/+10Exactly right about blindly consuming media. I mean, if we did that, we'd end up in a war over weapons that didn't exist simply because the President told us they did. We certainly wouldn't want that to happen, now would we?
- StephenChow, on 10/12/2007, -0/+10"Police abuse man investigating police abuse"
Now THAT, IS, irony...
isn't it? Someone link me to that George Carlin rant about irony, I forgot it. - speedstream, on 10/12/2007, -1/+11First of all, I'm pretty sure all cops lie about the complaint forms. They've got each other covered. And even if they did give out the forms, they would just end up in the trash the moment you left. And if you came back to complain, the would say they misfiled your last form and make you fill out a new one.
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