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liveleak.com — Video footage of New York cops clubbing and arresting peaceful Tibetan protesters who were merely walking down the street has gone relatively ignored beyond Youtube. While stories emerge out of China every day of police beating and killing Tibetan protestors in the streets, the same sort of behavior by cops in America tells its own story.
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- reeder, on 03/26/2008, -74/+168If nothing is done about this disgrace to the constitution, then we are truly lost and in need of revolution.
- HoratioHellpop, on 03/26/2008, -30/+2If the glove doesn't fit, you must aquit!
- smacksaw, on 03/26/2008, -4/+2Aquit? Why inject insensitive Italian-American stereotypes into the debate?
- se1zure, on 03/28/2008, -0/+1The police handeled it great I think.
The best part is when he told the asshole with the camera it was fine to continue filming as long as he stepped back.
I guess he wasn't expected the ass to go home and edit the hell out of the video...
- NuclearDruid, on 03/26/2008, -40/+55There is not enough information in the video or here. They cut it in segments, and for all we know, this could have been a non permitted protest. I like how we have no information as to why that guy is on the ground, all we have is a guy standing there screaming at the cops.
- BobaFettTDG, on 03/26/2008, -6/+46I'm pretty sure it's called the first amendment.
- NuclearDruid, on 03/26/2008, -18/+5Obviously you have not been researching the government, or have taken a US Government class. You can protest, yes, by an easily acquired (EXTREMELY EASY) permit. The KKK do it, why couldn't these guys?
- stabbingkittens, on 03/26/2008, -4/+11Why couldn't these guys get a permit? 13 minutes ago you said:
"I'm saying the protest could have no permit"
note the operative word 'could'.
Did you make a quick phone call or something? How did you find out so quick? Impressive. - NuclearDruid, on 03/26/2008, -5/+6That's not what was in argument, he was saying the first amendment allows for an automatic protest, without permit. Which is what I was going against, because now you can not do that with the state of the government. If the primary issue was because they had no permit, then there's not reason why they shouldn't have.. sorry, I made it sound like there was none involved.
- triskele, on 03/26/2008, -0/+7The only reason permits exist is when streets need to be blocked off and things of that nature. Keeping to sidewalks and crossing at crosswalks (with the exception of running from the police who want to kill you) don't require a permit.
- stabbingkittens, on 03/26/2008, -3/+4Druid +1 for courtesy.
- CryRightardCry, on 03/27/2008, -1/+3That's funny.
Your support of a regime that beats protesters doesn't seem to be a popular thing.
Permit or no, to pretend that we don't have a right to complain is ridiculous.
You are EXACTLY what Bush and Cheney count on to get away with their crap. - Tiak, on 03/27/2008, -0/+1Permits are city/county requirements, not federal government requirements. In New York, the city law is such that if there are less than 50 people, no permit is needed.
I see no reason why a government class would cover city/county ordinances though...
- stabbingkittens, on 03/26/2008, -4/+11Why couldn't these guys get a permit? 13 minutes ago you said:
- cawpin, on 03/26/2008, -8/+9the guys keeps screaming that they are using "clubs". No *****, if I'm arresting somebody and another person comes at me with a 5 foot flag pole they're gonna get hit. The people, from the video, disobeyed a policeman. That is illegal. It looks to me that they were simply trying to keep them out of the road and they kept running out into traffic. That endangers them as well as the motorists. NuclearDruid is right on. Also, nobody got "beat up".
- Elliuotatar, on 03/26/2008, -5/+8Is it not illegal to disobey a policeman if the policeman is giving an unlawful order. Which they were.
- ohmysac, on 03/26/2008, -1/+4You are only required to obey lawful orders. Clarification is always good.
- twiztidsinz, on 03/26/2008, -6/+7@cawpin: Are you a complete idiot? Watch the vid.. they werent even waving the flag.
OH *****! HE'S GOT A FLAG! SHOOT HIM!
They -WERE- keeping to the sidewalks, they were not going out into the road except at cross walks.
When were they disobeying the police officers? When the officers were pushing them? When the officers where clubbing them? I saw NO resistance from any of the people except for the camera man who was questioning the polices illegal actions of assaulting people.
As for "nobody got 'beat up'" yeah.. I guess those cops were using Nerf brand clubs huh? - Diggalicious3, on 03/27/2008, -3/+2It is possible to use a nightstick without actually clubbing someone. I never saw a policeman strike anyone with a club in that extremely poor quality video. For all we know, the policemen might have been required to have the nightstick out while arresting people at a protest. The picture of a policeman with his club in the air? He could have been asking people to move further from an area so people could safely access the UN building.
- NuclearDruid, on 03/26/2008, -18/+5Obviously you have not been researching the government, or have taken a US Government class. You can protest, yes, by an easily acquired (EXTREMELY EASY) permit. The KKK do it, why couldn't these guys?
- scubaman5000, on 03/26/2008, -6/+47"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."
That's all the permit any protester should ever need in my opinion.- diggrific, on 03/26/2008, -12/+4Your opinion is over-ruled by the lawmakers and judges over our long history who disagree with you.
You have every right to protest and say what you want, but it must be done peacefully and must not break any laws.
- diggrific, on 03/26/2008, -12/+4Your opinion is over-ruled by the lawmakers and judges over our long history who disagree with you.
- ...---..., on 03/26/2008, -7/+28A permit to speak your mind on the street? WTF?
Maybe they weren't in a "free speech zone" (/sarcasm)- SpectreFire, on 03/26/2008, -8/+1They needed a permit in order to run out into the streets and overall just act like crazy lunatics. If anything, the cops were doing them a favour. I'd suspect some ***** off Cabbie would just hit the gas if these idiots ran in front of him.
- dralezero, on 03/26/2008, -1/+9They were using the crosswalks and didn't start running in the street until a few of them got kicked, hit, and threatened. The cops were trying to get them from even using the side walks (driving up onto them) and crosswalks (try to hold them back) when traffic was clear for them to go.
- PURPLEDRINK, on 03/26/2008, -2/+13So we need a permit to assemble but officers don't need a permit to beat others down? You know that baton isn't a weapon for self defense these days. It is a blunt object meant for quick blows to someone unarmed.
- theAlice, on 03/26/2008, -2/+7Even if they didn't have a permit, that still doesn't justify beating people.
- triskele, on 03/26/2008, -0/+6I'm pretty sure you only need a permit if you're going to need exclusive rights to the street and/or sidewalks for a period of time. If you're just walking/standing on the sidewalks you're not breaking any laws I know of.
- twiztidsinz, on 03/26/2008, -1/+4I think it's actually if your assembly/protest is going to interfere with / impede (like if you're along the sidewalk in front of a building and blocking the entrance) access to the area for others -- but they were moving and not blocking the flow of people traffic.
- PolishLogic, on 03/26/2008, -3/+3That's exactly what they were doing during the part of the protest that was filmed. Oddly the part prior to the cops showing up is not seen in that video.
Weird, huh?
- PolishLogic, on 03/26/2008, -3/+3That's exactly what they were doing during the part of the protest that was filmed. Oddly the part prior to the cops showing up is not seen in that video.
- twiztidsinz, on 03/26/2008, -1/+4I think it's actually if your assembly/protest is going to interfere with / impede (like if you're along the sidewalk in front of a building and blocking the entrance) access to the area for others -- but they were moving and not blocking the flow of people traffic.
- BobaFettTDG, on 03/26/2008, -6/+46I'm pretty sure it's called the first amendment.
- jabberwolf, on 03/26/2008, -24/+16One question? Did they have permits to block sidewalk and protest? If they didn't they are not allowed.
Permits are easily obtained and there are MANY protests are held at the UN building.
If they resist arrest for not dispersing, they can be TAZED BRO! - So not sure that's violence. If they dont know the law, they refuse to obey the law, they get arrested. At that point in time, once they are determined to be breaking the law and arrested, they do not have the right to resist, and if they do, they can be billy clubbed or tazed.
What part of the law don't people understand? Idiots I guess always testing things out, and learn painful lessons, and prison time.
As for "I'll kill you" and "put that camera down" aside from the posting of it, not really credible cause no one can hear anything aside from yelling.
buried for being retards who don't know law and testing their stupidity.- rubbers0ul, on 03/26/2008, -7/+22Why should we need permits? Are those not public places, and therefore why should the public need permission to gather in a public place? Free speech does not read that you need a permit, and so you should not, regardless of city law/policy. That and the actions of the officers were completely out of control.
- ...---..., on 03/26/2008, -5/+14We also have the right to peaceably assemble - that's what I saw going on.
- Stevanoski, on 03/26/2008, -7/+2Mike, in large cities, many times they have bumper to bumper traffic, so people get permits so that traffic can be routed. Glad to catch you up on that.
- ...---..., on 03/27/2008, -2/+6Thanks Dime for the condescending comment - you're always good for one or two of those occasionally.
I understand the whole permit concept - for a large group that will be disrupting traffic - understandable... but that's not what I saw in this video - maybe there was more that I didn't see - but I'm just commenting on the way it looked. I certainly don't need to get a permit if me and 100 friends are going to get together and hold up signs protesting peanut butter and jelly sandwiches - or whatever.
So, thanks for catching me up on that. : - Stevanoski, on 03/27/2008, -4/+2Glad to help in any way.
- diggrific, on 03/26/2008, -6/+3Permits are required so the authorities know when and where the event will happen. This is to ensure safety for all concerned. When the event happens, usually you will have a police liaison and observer. They talk to the "head" of the event to ensure they know what the law requires of them. You can't run in the street (which a few did in the video), block sidewalks, cause destruction, etc. Also, they observe to ensure safety. Ever hear of a counter-protest? Many times these groups clash and violence can erupt. Reserve officers can be brought in to maintain peace, or to ensure it. Anyway, having a permit is needed and important.
About the video, did you notice that not all the protesters were confronted by the police? The cops targeted specific individuals, not the group. A better and complete video would show the real story. - diggrific, on 03/27/2008, -1/+1Here's an explanation and some case law for you to look over.
http://www.lectlaw.com/files/con10.htm
- ...---..., on 03/26/2008, -5/+14We also have the right to peaceably assemble - that's what I saw going on.
- theAlice, on 03/26/2008, -2/+7So not having a permit justifies getting beaten senseless?
- rubbers0ul, on 03/26/2008, -7/+22Why should we need permits? Are those not public places, and therefore why should the public need permission to gather in a public place? Free speech does not read that you need a permit, and so you should not, regardless of city law/policy. That and the actions of the officers were completely out of control.
- digf, on 03/26/2008, -19/+4http://www.tibettravel.info/tibet-history/ - A Brief History of Tibet
http://www.michaelparenti.org/Tibet.html - Friendly Feudalism: The Tibet Myth
http://journeyeast.tripod.com/western_scholars.htm ...
http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message52 ... - I WAS A TANTRIC SEX SLAVE FOR A SENIOR TIBETAN BUDDHIST MONK
http://www.newspiritualbible.com/index2 The Secret Truth about The Dalai Lama (Hitler and the Dalai Lama)
http://clipmarks.com/clipmark/E01B16E1-CACF-47F3-B ... - Dalai Lama: CIA Asset - ricoboy24, on 03/26/2008, -11/+3***** THE POLICE.... on protest days...
- nallelcm, on 03/26/2008, -8/+11I'll revolt... after you...
- SteeleJK, on 03/28/2008, -0/+1That's why there isn't one. It's kind of one of those things that has to get so out of hand that the common man revolts. I give it 10 - 15 years.
- ufia, on 03/26/2008, -16/+45Can't the cameraman just shut up for one second? You can tell he is part the group making trouble with the intended purpose of getting beat up by the cops and create outrage. They are not really Free Tibet protesters, they are professional activists looking for any opportunity to whore for attention.
- PURPLEDRINK, on 03/26/2008, -4/+6i believe you. i'd rather believe that then the off-chance that we live in a police state as that is something i cannot come to terms with.
- MrViklund, on 03/27/2008, -5/+1True. Attention whores.
- PURPLEDRINK, on 03/26/2008, -4/+6i believe you. i'd rather believe that then the off-chance that we live in a police state as that is something i cannot come to terms with.
- OrangeTide, on 03/26/2008, -11/+24we're doing all we can by beating whiny idiots down until they get the message: DO NOT RUN OUT INTO TRAFFIC AND CAUSE ACCIDENTS.
- iticu, on 03/26/2008, -10/+6"Whiny idiots"? God forbid they use free speach to speak their opinons and raise awareness!
What's that country coming to?! - vmass20, on 03/26/2008, -8/+5DO NOT RUN OUT INTO TRAFFIC AND CAUSE ACCIDENTS.
Ya thats the intent. How can you make something so stupid up? id rather be beat with a baton than hit with a car. And when did that even happen? Stop lying to yourself to justify BS. weak mind. prolly a piggy. and all you know how to do is TRY and control a situation. or write a report on a crime so it looks like you did something to prevent it. what a joke. il
- iticu, on 03/26/2008, -10/+6"Whiny idiots"? God forbid they use free speach to speak their opinons and raise awareness!
- PURPLEDRINK, on 03/26/2008, -11/+11Welcome to the police state, where the media refuses to cover any protests, and the police quell protesters AND sometimes those who even sympathize by honking their horns are given citations, in so far.
- PolishLogic, on 03/26/2008, -8/+6Cry to the people that lived under the Eastern Bloc or in Myanmar about how bad and repressive our "police state" is. See if they give a flying ***** about your tears.
- Walker2323, on 03/26/2008, -7/+7And this makes what happened right how?
Polishlogic, indeed.- PolishLogic, on 03/27/2008, -5/+3Do you honestly think we're living in a police state? Honestly? Because my comment had nothing to do with this video (although you seem to think it did).
As for what happened here: I know nothing more about what happened here than any diggers commenting on this video. I have no idea, nor do you, about what happened prior to the cops arrival, or what happened in the segments that were clearly edited out of the film.
The only difference is that I'm not acting like I have all the facts. I'm not acting like the protesters are completely innocent in this matter, even though I have no actual evidence, other than speculation, to support that claim.
And you want to talk about polish logic?
- PolishLogic, on 03/27/2008, -5/+3Do you honestly think we're living in a police state? Honestly? Because my comment had nothing to do with this video (although you seem to think it did).
- metric7, on 03/27/2008, -3/+3Our police state is just beginning sorry if that annoys you. I'm sure you're a "Great American"
- PolishLogic, on 03/27/2008, -3/+2I'm sure you're a "Miserable Asshole".
:)
- PolishLogic, on 03/27/2008, -3/+2I'm sure you're a "Miserable Asshole".
- Walker2323, on 03/26/2008, -7/+7And this makes what happened right how?
- PolishLogic, on 03/26/2008, -8/+6Cry to the people that lived under the Eastern Bloc or in Myanmar about how bad and repressive our "police state" is. See if they give a flying ***** about your tears.
- Ataxia2008, on 03/26/2008, -9/+9HAHA, yes. Beat those hippies over the head.
Good fun- dopey99, on 04/11/2008, -0/+0lol
- metric7, on 03/26/2008, -4/+8Theres a strange bury brigade here. We can still see the truth.
- MrViklund, on 03/27/2008, -6/+4Hey man. The constitution is from 1787... It's damn old and out of sync with reality in allot of points. Most of it should be rewritten. It's amazing how Americans always are referring to the "constitution" for everything. Like it's some kind of holy bible. Thank the constitution for making Americans gun fixated and for all the guns you have very where used for murders and crimes. It's amazing how Americans fail to see that the problem is all your ***** guns. Thank the constitution for all the school shootings you have all the time. Only in the USA. Still, Americans fail to see it. Essentially, it's your own fault for all the murders, scrims and shootings in your country. It's terrible with school shootings, but I don't feel any sorry for any of you BECAUSE it's your own fault. Fuc**** amazing. Support guns... blablabla. Everything to become president....
- omgwhereami, on 03/27/2008, -1/+0You don't know what the ***** you're talking about. This country started out as a constitutional republic. The constitution was written to protect us from a government like the one we are being controlled by now. It doesn't have a damn thing to do with the times. Its all about protecting our rights and keeping the government in check. It was written to protect all rights within, not excluding those left out. It is the greatest plan for a government ever written. We were given the second amendment right bear arms to defend ourselves from invaders and oppressive governments so we wouldn't need a large, standing army (which until WWI we always feared having) and police force. Which btw has caused nothing but more problems for our national security, global standing, and economy. I don't know what country you hail from but I guarantee you if they want to strip your rights away and leave you with nothing there isn't a hell of a lot you can do about it when the police and military have guns and you don't. Making guns illegal won't stop criminals from using them. To say otherwise would mean you've never picked up a history/psychology book in your life. It will stop families from defending themselves from criminals and citizens from protecting their rights. If the constitution wasn't continually ***** on and ignored we wouldn't have all the problems we have today, at the level we have them.
- Styrkur, on 04/05/2008, -0/+0Agreed... Checks and Balances and Federalism is not enough, that's why the Second Amendment exists... If the former Soviet Union had tried to invade us, they would have retired their campaign because everyone here is well armed and will not tolerate their crap.
- bosssmiley, on 03/27/2008, -0/+2*****!
Good ideas don't date. What is good and just now is *not* different from what it was in the time of the Founding Fathers.
I'm a Brit and I *approve* of the American Revolution and the Constitution + Bill of Rights (probably the greatest piece of applied political thinking in history) - Styrkur, on 04/05/2008, -0/+0Shut up, you Marxist. You talk very biased of guns; it's awesome to live where if someone attacks you, you can defend yourself instead of relying on the ineffectiveness of the authorities.
- omgwhereami, on 03/27/2008, -1/+0You don't know what the ***** you're talking about. This country started out as a constitutional republic. The constitution was written to protect us from a government like the one we are being controlled by now. It doesn't have a damn thing to do with the times. Its all about protecting our rights and keeping the government in check. It was written to protect all rights within, not excluding those left out. It is the greatest plan for a government ever written. We were given the second amendment right bear arms to defend ourselves from invaders and oppressive governments so we wouldn't need a large, standing army (which until WWI we always feared having) and police force. Which btw has caused nothing but more problems for our national security, global standing, and economy. I don't know what country you hail from but I guarantee you if they want to strip your rights away and leave you with nothing there isn't a hell of a lot you can do about it when the police and military have guns and you don't. Making guns illegal won't stop criminals from using them. To say otherwise would mean you've never picked up a history/psychology book in your life. It will stop families from defending themselves from criminals and citizens from protecting their rights. If the constitution wasn't continually ***** on and ignored we wouldn't have all the problems we have today, at the level we have them.
- thenamesbryce, on 03/27/2008, -1/+2Lost? Revolution? You say this while you comfortably sit in your home on your computer.
- catdawg555, on 03/27/2008, -2/+3I'm sure Mao,Stalin,and Hitler would agree with you
- HoratioHellpop, on 03/26/2008, -30/+2If the glove doesn't fit, you must aquit!
- caponumen, on 03/26/2008, -55/+27Adding NY to my boycott list......
- PaleGhost, on 03/26/2008, -19/+10who ***** cares what you do, moron
- DarkSamus, on 03/26/2008, -13/+17stay out bitch
- NuclearDruid, on 03/26/2008, -11/+16I'm sure you'll do awesome boycotting a city in the United States, too bad your money will probably flow there at one point. And I'm sure they'll be hurt by you doing that. Yeah, go ahead, boycott New York, I'm sure the business owners had absolutely everything to do with it.
- expatcatalyst, on 03/26/2008, -4/+7"It does not require a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority keen to set brush fires in people's minds." - Samuel Adams
- kinseyincanada, on 03/26/2008, -2/+4did you just quote a beer?
- bs0l, on 03/26/2008, -1/+1He'll just have to start stealing things. No problem.
- expatcatalyst, on 03/26/2008, -4/+7"It does not require a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority keen to set brush fires in people's minds." - Samuel Adams
- wtfunkymonkey, on 03/26/2008, -11/+4That's going to be really effective, why don't you try doing something with your displeasure instead of boycotting? Boycotting is exactly the same as doing nothing, literally.
- expatcatalyst, on 03/26/2008, -5/+4"It does not require a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority keen to set brush fires in people's minds." - Samuel Adams
- czeman, on 03/26/2008, -52/+336Watch this video from a neutral point of view and you'll see that this is a poorly produced, low-quality video. It starts with the police taking action against the protestors. It doesn't show us the events leading up to that point. The video isn't continuous either. There are meany breaks in the video where it picks up with police actions. Don't pass this video off as showing officers beating up peaceful protestors when we don't even have proof of a peaceful protest.
- goeatsmsht, on 03/26/2008, -23/+57Was a permit issued for this protest? A likely reason the cops came up on the sidewalk was to stop the illegal (allbeit peaceful looking) demonstration. You can see throughout most of the video, the cops are trying to keep the protesters out of the street and on the sidewalk. Now threatening to "kill (i heard kick) you" is wrong, and clubbing them for no reason is extremely wrong, but like czeman said, you don't know what led up to that moment.
- gravityboard, on 03/26/2008, -6/+14yeah, we should know more details before someone starts sending around their RateMyCop profiles...
- wtfunkymonkey, on 03/26/2008, -14/+31Am I the only one that thinks that it's a little ridiculous that you need a permit in the first place?
I don't remember the constitution saying that we needed to ask permission first.- PolishLogic, on 03/26/2008, -16/+13The Constitution also makes no mention of building permits, yet you must get those to build a house or do some remodeling.
Your point? - xB4R7x, on 03/26/2008, -6/+9In a place like NYC, In front of the UN? I think any kind of protest should be registered in a place like that... Not restricted, just put on the books so the authorities know what's going on. It's a huge city and I think having something like this on the books would allow the officers to take care of more important situations going on in the city, it would keep things from getting out of hand. Constitutional or not, it isn't realistic to allow people to run rampant in a huge city like that. They could potentially be putting themselves and others in danger by running out in the street like they did. And I'm sure that this kind of incident wouldn't happen unprovoked... and If it did, I would have heard about it on the news a long time ago.
- norman619, on 03/26/2008, -9/+18Freedom with limitations. Ever hear of it? Your freedom ends when it becomes a safety issue for others. You even try to find out why they require permits? I'm betting you didn't.
- wtfunkymonkey, on 03/26/2008, -11/+13The right to protest is guaranteed in the constitution, the right to build a house is not. Do you have any relevant points to bring up?
And just as an example of how requiring building permits can be used to further subjugate the masses, http://www.ifamericansknew.org/stats/settlements.h ... , "Houses built by Palestinians without building permits are demolished by the Civil Administration, even in cases when the construction took place on private land."- jmpeagle, on 03/26/2008, -5/+15if no permits would needed, protestors could literally block all streets indefinitely...people have the right to go to work also.
- PolishLogic, on 03/26/2008, -2/+4So regardless of the manner, place or type of protest, you feel that people have the right to do so?
Just curious..... - rhoffer21, on 03/27/2008, -2/+0Where does it say that in the constitutio jmpeagle
- czeman, on 03/27/2008, -0/+1It would be better to ask what the requirements are to obtain the permit. The permit could simply mean that the organizer(s) of the protest understand any and all restrictions as related to their protest. By restrictions, I mean rules meant to keep them and everyone else safe.
- notouch, on 03/26/2008, -5/+3If they don't need a permit to run protest, every block in NYC will be jammed by protesters.
- weeeezzll, on 03/26/2008, -4/+4You really have no idea just how big NYC is do you? Approximately 750,000 people pack into Time Square each new years. This area amounts to less than 10 square blocks, much less. The population of NYC is 8,274,527. That means that every person that lives in NYC can easily fit into less than 110 square blocks, which is approximately 1/16th of Manhattan.
While most cities exist within a county, or at most include all of the space within the county, NYC takes up an astounding 5 counties. You could probably pack the entire population of the US (300M) into NYC...lol
- weeeezzll, on 03/26/2008, -4/+4You really have no idea just how big NYC is do you? Approximately 750,000 people pack into Time Square each new years. This area amounts to less than 10 square blocks, much less. The population of NYC is 8,274,527. That means that every person that lives in NYC can easily fit into less than 110 square blocks, which is approximately 1/16th of Manhattan.
- Myonosken, on 03/26/2008, -3/+5They rarely withhold permits- only where it causes a safety issue or there are concerns (like, say, wanting to run through the streets with pistols as some sot of gun law protest).
- rhoffer21, on 03/27/2008, -0/+3You also dont have a right to build under the constitution, terrible analogy.
- moliver000, on 03/27/2008, -1/+19/11
- PolishLogic, on 03/26/2008, -16/+13The Constitution also makes no mention of building permits, yet you must get those to build a house or do some remodeling.
- FloMonster, on 03/26/2008, -14/+14"Was a permit issued for this protest?"
You know what I think about protest permits, and "free speech zones"?
***** THAT! I have every right to protest without any anyone's permission, in any public area in this country. I will not be intimidated by thugs in uniforms, or caged like in animal far away from where my grievances can be heard.- SpectreFire, on 03/26/2008, -4/+13You DO understand the entire purpose of permits right? You can't just walk into a middle of a streets and start yelling random crap. First off, it's a danger to the public, cause you're ***** up traffic, secondly, it's a bother to the public, cause you're being annoying, and finally, it's a danger to you, because some ***** off driver might just decided to "accidentily" hit accelerate and run your ass over.
The reason for permits is so that the city knows that you're going to protest, they know where are you and are able to cordon off areas and keep traffic flowing safely by.- FloMonster, on 03/27/2008, -2/+4The same arguments can be made for demonstrating on sidewalks, or in a public park, "protesters are endangering the public, and bothering the public". Even a "properly permitted" peaceful protest can be disrupted by overzealous law enforcement. See the Los Angeles May Day demonstrations in MacArthur Park in 2007. Public demonstrations by definition are supposed to cause a disruption, and bring attention to whatever issue is being protested, or supported.
Permits are used to restrict where a person or group can congregate, Try and apply for a permit to demonstrate when a public official visits your area; you'll no doubt be sent to a "free speech" zone far away from where anyone will hear your message.
The Tibetan protesters weren't impeding traffic, they were on the sidewalk, constantly moving. The NYPD were the ones causing the traffic problems by blocking traffic and harassing the protesters. - czeman, on 03/27/2008, -0/+1Again, we don't KNOW anything other than what the poster of the video wanted to show. The video shows only police action and nothing else. We don't know if it was a peaceful, safe protest.
- FloMonster, on 03/27/2008, -2/+4The same arguments can be made for demonstrating on sidewalks, or in a public park, "protesters are endangering the public, and bothering the public". Even a "properly permitted" peaceful protest can be disrupted by overzealous law enforcement. See the Los Angeles May Day demonstrations in MacArthur Park in 2007. Public demonstrations by definition are supposed to cause a disruption, and bring attention to whatever issue is being protested, or supported.
- Ribbed4U, on 03/26/2008, -2/+4You can be arrested for Disturbing the Peace. Entirely depends on how you go about doing your protest.
- mithrasinvictus, on 03/26/2008, -2/+1Does that mean you don't need a permit unless you decide to walk into traffic lanes?
- PatNolan, on 03/28/2008, -0/+1You don't have a right to block traffic and block the sidewalks so other people can't use them. That's what I saw.
- SpectreFire, on 03/26/2008, -4/+13You DO understand the entire purpose of permits right? You can't just walk into a middle of a streets and start yelling random crap. First off, it's a danger to the public, cause you're ***** up traffic, secondly, it's a bother to the public, cause you're being annoying, and finally, it's a danger to you, because some ***** off driver might just decided to "accidentily" hit accelerate and run your ass over.
- weeeezzll, on 03/26/2008, -8/+14You heard wrong. Listen again, and turn the volume up. He clearly says "I'll KILL you! I'll ***** KILL you! What did I tell you!? What did I tell you!?"
Why would a cop threaten to kick someone anyway? Maybe they might threaten to arrest you, or hit you with their baton, or even shoot you, but kick? I don't see any situation in which a cop would need to kick or threaten to kick anyone. Think about it...
Besides, "I'll KICK you! I'll ***** KICK you!!" sounds really ***** silly!
I understand that the cop didn't actually mean that he wanted to kill the guy. It was clearly just male posturing, but if you were to say that to a cop, no matter how non-literal you meant it, you would be arrested and likely charged with crime related to threatening an officers life. Police are not above the law, they are expected to follow rules just like the rest of us, and when they break them, they should pay the price just like the rest of us.- forgiste, on 03/26/2008, -3/+4He said "Yes, I'm Sorry" when he was asked by the camera man if he threatened to kill someone.
- andreegal, on 03/26/2008, -5/+5I completely agree with weeeezzll. Why is all people here taking side with the cops?...they clearly used extreme force to me...they should be held accountable just as the protesters or you would if you trespass or offend the cops......try to walk down NY city yelling to every cop I'll kill you! or threaten them with clubs and see what happens.....justice has to be reciprocal. period.
- czeman, on 03/27/2008, -0/+2There are no sides to take here. The video doesn't tell the whole story. In fact, it was produced in such a way that I tend to think it was intentional. I'm not siding with the protestors or the police on this one.
- minoss, on 03/26/2008, -21/+66This video is pretty horrible and it was obvious this guy's sole purpose was to try to find cops being dirty. They didn't take his camera despite seeing it. There is no continuity at all in the videos. He claims officers threatened to kill people which I never heard. The worst I saw is a few cops waving clubs and hitting people (we don't know for what reasons) and pushing people back. I was expecting a lot more than this.
- Sajentine, on 03/26/2008, -11/+9Well if the cops weren't "being dirty" he would have nothing to film. I'm also pretty sure that they are not allowed to take your camera even though some cops seem to think they can stop you filming.
Besides, why did they need to beaten at all, suddenly you aren't even allowed to walk down the street anymore without receiving a baton to the cranium.- minoss, on 03/26/2008, -7/+29Possibly it was entirely uncalled for. Or maybe the guy punched the cop. The point is you don't know because the video sucks. And no, you can't walk down the street in packs and ignore all traffic lights which it looks like many people were doing and what the cops were spending a large amount of time trying to stop.
- dasdef, on 03/26/2008, -4/+3yeah these guys were just being obnoxious. Yelling like psychopaths and saying 'hey we're just crossing officer'
- Myonosken, on 03/26/2008, -2/+2"I'm also pretty sure that they are not allowed to take your camera even though some cops seem to think they can stop you filming."
Yet you are arguing that they were beating the ***** out of them?
- phybere, on 03/26/2008, -4/+6Only one officer threatened to kill someone, it's near the beginning of the movie. The video does suck, but it seems clear that the police caused the situation to escalate unnecessarily.
- phybere, on 03/26/2008, -4/+4After a second listen, I don't hear it. The only clear thing is "get off the road, what did I tell you guys" it sounds like "kill you" was said right before that, but if that's what was said it was probably regarding being killed by traffic...
- twiztidsinz, on 03/26/2008, -5/+1One officer DID say it and even apologized for it at the end.
- Sajentine, on 03/26/2008, -11/+9Well if the cops weren't "being dirty" he would have nothing to film. I'm also pretty sure that they are not allowed to take your camera even though some cops seem to think they can stop you filming.
- LouTreize, on 03/26/2008, -3/+6I'm glad some of us like to look at situations in different directions. People tend to go side by side with whats obvious, it's a bad idea, just at look at all the comments.
With that being said...Let the narrow-mindedness begin! Must be too late anyway... - Tzvi, on 03/26/2008, -3/+16In the first still image in the video, you see the protester has a hand against the officer.
- lansuggs, on 03/26/2008, -6/+13Protesters are pussies these days eh - especially the ones with a camera. Not that I was there back in the day where people created some real anarchy, but guy holding the cam was obviously a jackass (not that I'm vindicating unjust police action).
- KungFooJesus, on 03/26/2008, -4/+8I generally find that when one goes out looking for a confrontation, one will find it.
- ordig, on 03/28/2008, -0/+1-yellowbook.com
- JurisAnonimus, on 03/26/2008, -2/+8Yea, i wanted to find evidence of poor conduct by the cops, but the video is lousy and doesn't say much
- shadeOfGrey, on 03/26/2008, -4/+23The videographer doesn't draw much sympathy from me. Far too annoying.
- Zlorp, on 03/26/2008, -7/+13cops have no right to tell someone to turn their camera off.
- adml_shake, on 03/26/2008, -3/+8Sure they do, but here you also have the right to refuse.
- doublebummer, on 03/26/2008, -4/+23The fact that the cops didn't club the annoying narrator just shows how much restraint they used.
- schlef, on 03/26/2008, -6/+12This was not peaceful. Picture two cops trying to control what looks to be 10 or more people outside of the UN. You can't just go doing whatever you want, and then get ***** off and think you were wronged when you are acting like an ass.
- rhoffer21, on 03/27/2008, -2/+3You cant just go doing what you want? In america? No wai!
- theL3G4CY, on 03/26/2008, -17/+5No proof of peaceful protesters? They had flags for ***** sake. It's not like they were armed or carrying torches.
Dumbass.- schlef, on 03/26/2008, -4/+8You don't need to carry a torch or guns to not be peaceful. A peaceful group can turn violent very quickly, which is likely what the cops are paranoid of. And don't think for a second that groups of people always act rationally. You have to listen to the cops unless they are infringing on your rights... which they were not doing here. You have to have a permit to protest.
- Myonosken, on 03/26/2008, -2/+6I could carry a flag whilst kicking someones head in. How does a flag make it peaceful? The crusades had flags.
- mathyouski86, on 03/27/2008, -8/+2yeh the crusades had flags,torches, and swords dumb ass
- shadeOfGrey, on 03/27/2008, -0/+3I'm pretty sure I saw Mel Gibson stab someone with a flag one time.
- czeman, on 03/27/2008, -0/+1That Simpsons episode was hilarious!
- an0nym0uz, on 03/27/2008, -6/+5so now that these so called "peaceful tibetan protesters" have been beaten and arrested in every single country they have protested in, i think it's clear who's to blame. peaceful protests? more like idiots running around in NYC traffic, which is really something you want to do if you want to die.
- jjoee, on 03/27/2008, -4/+1We can say the same about the so call "peaceful Tibetan protesters" in Tibet. Maybe they weren't so peaceful afterall and they deserved to get the beating they got. How can you guys be backing up the NYPD but not the Chinese Government? They are beating the same people for the same reason!
- WhatsUpWithJack, on 03/27/2008, -5/+4I don't understand why everybody is siding with the cops on this one just because of a grainy video. "I'll ***** kill you" is good enough for me. Shocking really, it's been about a week with no crooked cop story on the front page of digg.. I was getting worried there for a minute.
- mormo92, on 03/27/2008, -1/+5I see people running across streets filled with traffic, I see cops clubbing people and threatening them. I think the cops were out of line, but I'm willing to bet that some of these guys were asking for it.
- PodJumper, on 03/27/2008, -0/+1Dugg Down, Because peaceful, I'm not sure. But it would not matter. I believe in a basic concept: Time of Adrenaline divided by a factor of say ten always equals the actual force needed to put handcuffs on anybody walking at a brisk pace.
- surfmore, on 03/27/2008, -0/+4I am so glad to see that many people are able to view this video as a neutral party. When you are able to do that, you realize the article and video are produced with an obvious bias. I am not saying what was done here was right (not enough information to make that decision), but it is quite obvious that the camera man was trying to paint a picture.
- hotpuck6, on 03/27/2008, -0/+2there are simple rules to protest, this video didn't seem to follow any of them. Were they orderly? not so much. DId they stay on the sidewalk and not impede foot traffic? doesn't seem like it. Were they walking in the road and creating a potentially dangerous situation? seems like it.
The amount of people and foot traffic in NY on a daily basis is huge, and those people never get harassed by cops simply because they are being orderly and not running into the street like a jackasses. - pentupentropy, on 03/28/2008, -0/+3I can't even tell half of what's happening in the video. I am all about boycotting the Olympics, Not buying ***** from China, all that. China and Tibet have issues that pale in comparison to what China does to it's own 1.2 billion person population every day. If anyone wants to sign one of the petitions, there's one here:
http://www.nospintalk.com (click petition) But don't base your opinions on ***** videos like this. Any decent judge would let that cop walk before ever seeing the inside of a courtroom if that video was the only evidence.
- goeatsmsht, on 03/26/2008, -23/+57Was a permit issued for this protest? A likely reason the cops came up on the sidewalk was to stop the illegal (allbeit peaceful looking) demonstration. You can see throughout most of the video, the cops are trying to keep the protesters out of the street and on the sidewalk. Now threatening to "kill (i heard kick) you" is wrong, and clubbing them for no reason is extremely wrong, but like czeman said, you don't know what led up to that moment.
- suzywang3000, on 03/26/2008, -23/+8I've seen better...
- DrPaul2008, on 03/26/2008, -36/+20Our owners at work.
- slantedplanet, on 03/27/2008, -2/+4Pithy and so true! The majority, who apparently still believe that this is the land of liberty, have permanently pulled the wool over their own eyes. This hasn't been a free country in a long time.
- studdenfadden, on 03/26/2008, -31/+83I was expecting something a little bit worse than the detective telling the cameraman "you can film just back up a bit." Where were the supposed beatings?
- AQMessiah, on 03/26/2008, -29/+19Did you watch the ***** clip!?
- TonyLocNE, on 03/26/2008, -12/+11no clue why you are being dug down
- cubedcompanies, on 03/26/2008, -13/+25yeah cause it clearly showed who was at fault... moron.
no, instead it showed sketchy camera footage by an adolescent bitch who's mocking American democracy while he films cops who are, for the most part, giving him his right to film while they take care of a few minority protestors who feel they have natural born right to be violent and antagonize cops.
I didn't see pushing... I saw cops making sure the hordes of people aren't running onto the streets of NYC, which happens to have some of the worse traffic. It wouldn't surprise me one bit if some tree hugging pussy got offended the hand of a cop nudged his arm.
Get a real dude.- oderdigg, on 03/26/2008, -13/+7With a comment like yours, are you qualified to say someone is an adolescent bitch?
Um, no. - LemmingJesus, on 03/26/2008, -7/+5Um, yes.
- TonyLocNE, on 03/26/2008, -8/+7could you show me one single protester who was acting in a violent manner
- ADIDAS247, on 03/27/2008, -1/+2I can't be positive, but running pass the cops straight towards the UN Building after being told to stop, that could be a security threat
- antvolt, on 03/26/2008, -4/+10Maybe it was edited out of the video. It is obviously postured to show the police as being the offenders.
- TonyLocNE, on 03/26/2008, -6/+3or maybe there just wasn't any. who knows? Fact is that cubedcompany decided to make insane accusations without evidence thereof.
- oderdigg, on 03/26/2008, -13/+7With a comment like yours, are you qualified to say someone is an adolescent bitch?
- 2bees, on 03/26/2008, -8/+6Man, that almost made me cry. Thank(God) technology for camera phones.
- AQMessiah, on 03/26/2008, -29/+19Did you watch the ***** clip!?
- Zandarrr, on 03/26/2008, -26/+20The police were simply showing The UN Ambassadors how we do it here in The US. Beat the protesters, protect the criminals.
- TonyLocNE, on 03/26/2008, -10/+9no clue why you are being dug down
- KaiSe7eN, on 03/26/2008, -32/+8***** atrocious.
- plummerbob, on 03/26/2008, -4/+10how?
- thcobbs, on 03/26/2008, -4/+14I agree.... they really need to work on their camera skills.
- TonyLocNE, on 03/26/2008, -13/+5***** atrocious indeed. and I don't understand why everyone is agreeing with the obvious police state brutality that is occurring in this video. So ***** disgusting.
- Pinkertinkle, on 03/26/2008, -61/+117Maybe if the protesters weren't such assholes and weren't causing disruption to public roads they wouldn't get beat.
- jonnyboy1544, on 03/26/2008, -17/+11Estaaaablishment, estaaaablishment you always know what's best.
- TonyLocNE, on 03/26/2008, -19/+35really? ***** really? you find it admissible to beat the ***** out of someone for jaywalking? sick god damned world you're living in..
- ElderBieler, on 03/26/2008, -17/+7You're an idiot Tony. Police under law (and rightfully so) are tasked to maintain peace and the escalation of violence/ law breaking. These protesters were walking in streets, running into the middle of traffic, pushing people walking down the sidewalk, etc. Don't take a video of them beating somebody with a club to regain control of the situation after they (protesters) escalated the incident and then call it police bruatility. Freakin' ignorant hippy.
- TonyLocNE, on 03/26/2008, -8/+5ha.. to begin.... I'm an ignorant hippy? Not even ***** close. I don't smoke weed, I don't sit in drum circles, I don't say "come grove on some delicious tunes dude," and I sure as ***** don't like seeing people getting beat the ***** up by power thirsty ***** cops. I tell you what.. You give me your address and I'll introduce you to what's inside my hippy-sized gun safe.
- ElderBieler, on 03/30/2008, -0/+0Are you serious? That's the coolest thing I've ever seen in my life! Somebody calls you out for you ass-logic and instead of having a structured and semi-thought through response you say you're going to shoot them? Awesome!
And don't preach to me about rights and the such. I have 2 younger brothers in Iraq right now and have done more for rights than you could ever imagine. This video has nothing to do with bruatility or a violation of inalienable rights. It has to do with protesters (who were most likely hired) to cause anarchy. Get off the police bashing bandwagon as it's been exhausted and is nauseating.
"A gun safe, give me your address." Brilliant...
- ElderBieler, on 03/30/2008, -0/+0Are you serious? That's the coolest thing I've ever seen in my life! Somebody calls you out for you ass-logic and instead of having a structured and semi-thought through response you say you're going to shoot them? Awesome!
- igoratwork, on 03/26/2008, -4/+4Tony, the Internet Tough Guy! http://i119.photobucket.com/albums/o144/League_of_ ...
- TonyLocNE, on 03/26/2008, -4/+3hmm. so all the sudden I'm an overweight computer geek because I'm on the internet? that makes a lot of sense to me. Just remember though, when they come to take away your 1st amendment rights, those of us practicing the 2nd amendment are going to be the ones you come crawling to.
- Ribbed4U, on 03/26/2008, -2/+3Gotta love E-Thugs.
- glasnostic, on 03/26/2008, -2/+4its pretty obvious from the video that the actions of the police officers are what caused the escalation. not the other way around.
- TonyLocNE, on 03/26/2008, -8/+5ha.. to begin.... I'm an ignorant hippy? Not even ***** close. I don't smoke weed, I don't sit in drum circles, I don't say "come grove on some delicious tunes dude," and I sure as ***** don't like seeing people getting beat the ***** up by power thirsty ***** cops. I tell you what.. You give me your address and I'll introduce you to what's inside my hippy-sized gun safe.
- Pinkertinkle, on 03/26/2008, -9/+8Oh yes, that's what they were doing, jay walking. Peacefully. Because all Tibetans are peaceful angelic Buddhists who have no ounce of harmful potential inside them.
- dafragsta, on 03/26/2008, -4/+3It definitely looks like some of the protesters were confronting the cops. While I definitely think there is some typical cop power tripping here, there is also some blatant taunting and getting in people's faces. If you are a cop and someone gets in your face, they deserve what they knew they had coming when they did it. I am no fan of the police, but I'm aware of the risks of their job and the fact that they never know who they are dealing with when someone invades their personal space.
- ElderBieler, on 03/26/2008, -17/+7You're an idiot Tony. Police under law (and rightfully so) are tasked to maintain peace and the escalation of violence/ law breaking. These protesters were walking in streets, running into the middle of traffic, pushing people walking down the sidewalk, etc. Don't take a video of them beating somebody with a club to regain control of the situation after they (protesters) escalated the incident and then call it police bruatility. Freakin' ignorant hippy.
- KungFooJesus, on 03/26/2008, -16/+8I generally find that when one goes out looking for a confrontation, one will find it. Peaceful my ass. Looked disruptive and antagonistic and confrontational to me. I don't know the laws in NYC but sometimes you do need a permit to march/protest.
- diggydougie, on 03/26/2008, -3/+9No, you don't. It's your constitutional right to protest and you don't need "permission" to exercise your rights.
- BreatheRhetoric, on 03/26/2008, -6/+5It isn't your right to disrupt others around you.
- HonestAbe, on 03/27/2008, -5/+1You do if you're interfering with other people's rights.
- KungFooJesus, on 03/27/2008, -3/+2You do actually in certain public areas. Especially if your rally is likely to disturb traffic or cause a commotion. In particular, parks and public areas might need to be reserved. I know that some white power group held rallies in Ohio a year or two ago and they had to get permits and couldn't go into certain areas after riots broke out. It is certainly your right to protest, but maintaining the peace for everyone else is just as important. They have a right not to be harassed or held up on their way to work. I can't speak on this case because I'm not familiar with NYC law, and while I doubt they need a permit to march in such small numbers their aggressive attitude and disruption of the peace is pretty evident. But the video is too ***** to assertain whether or not the police response was appropriate.
- diggrific, on 03/27/2008, -1/+1You are wrong Diggydougie. You can read the explanation and some case study at the link.
http://www.lectlaw.com/files/con10.htm
- diggydougie, on 03/26/2008, -3/+9No, you don't. It's your constitutional right to protest and you don't need "permission" to exercise your rights.
- loggia, on 03/26/2008, -5/+7You're one of those people who "love" America and say protesters "hate" America, am I right?
What exactly is America to you? I always thought freedom of speech and the right to assemble were as American as apple pie.- Pinkertinkle, on 03/27/2008, -5/+3These protesters hate China not America.
- HonestAbe, on 03/27/2008, -6/+6We have a right to peaceably assemble, not to pick fights with cops. I'm sick of these "protesters" and their antagonistic *****.
- metric7, on 03/27/2008, -4/+2Figures you like obama
- poxonyou, on 03/27/2008, -3/+1= the mentality of American cops, thugs, and Republican tough guys. These are the same idiots who will say racist ***** about China (it happens in those countries because the people/culture is uncivilized/subhuman or whatever), or any other country, for abusing protesters there. But when it happens in the good ol' USA, the protesters had it coming and deserved to be beaten.
- Tank4all, on 03/26/2008, -27/+11There is protesting outside the UN every single day for every reason on earth. I've had enough of it.
- jeexbit, on 03/26/2008, -3/+5Perhaps you should avoid the UN?
- dan222555, on 03/26/2008, -1/+2If we just told the UN to stop stealing our money and ship out of our country, maybe the protesters would go with them.
- norman619, on 03/26/2008, -0/+8As long as they are following the law I don't mind. You may not find their reasons for protesting valid but it is their right.
- killahron, on 03/26/2008, -28/+51i've noticed lots of bs making it to the frontpage of digg recently... what's the problem?
- OrangeTide, on 03/26/2008, -10/+29the internet is full of people who need to be beaten by the cops.
- derek20cali, on 03/26/2008, -5/+4Truer words have never been typed. Bravo.
- wynja, on 03/27/2008, -2/+1I'll remember that when I'm watching the cops beat the ***** out of you.
- dan222555, on 03/26/2008, -4/+5Just recently? I've been charting the positive correlation between bias/inaccuracy and popularity on Digg for years. It gets stronger by the day.
- swordmaster29, on 03/26/2008, -0/+5Honestly, can you graph that. I would seriously like to see it - as I have always felt it very cyclical, and not linear.
- downneck, on 03/26/2008, -3/+5you new here or something?
- Myonosken, on 03/26/2008, -5/+1New algorithm. Faggots with similar agendas only need comment and Digg for it to quickly hit the frontpage.
- nycmac247, on 03/27/2008, -2/+4don't hate yourself for being gay
- Myonosken, on 03/27/2008, -1/+2Oh wow, real ***** mature.
- wynja, on 03/27/2008, -0/+3Pot meet kettle.
- xero9, on 03/27/2008, -0/+2While I don't condone what Myonosken says, I'm digging you down for acting 12
- nycmac247, on 03/27/2008, -2/+4don't hate yourself for being gay
- OrangeTide, on 03/26/2008, -10/+29the internet is full of people who need to be beaten by the cops.
- eltolete, on 03/26/2008, -30/+9Well, well, it looks like we may have lost our moral authority to criticize China.
- norman619, on 03/26/2008, -3/+7Moral authority? Are you ***** us?
- gamerzworld, on 03/26/2008, -9/+37http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YdkEwObpriQ
- oderdigg, on 03/26/2008, -4/+10wtf would anyone digg you down for this? It's funny and true!
- belowir, on 03/26/2008, -3/+10most people probably think it's a rick roll
- iticu, on 03/26/2008, -4/+1That video was hysterical..
Untill you read the comments; "this mocks the police...COOL ! :)) "
Seriously, what is it with retards and Youtube? And why are they coming to Digg?
- sentinel106, on 03/26/2008, -7/+30That nice LA cop should come here and teach these cops a lesson =(
- provost, on 03/26/2008, -2/+8I love that LA cop, but I will say that the protesters were also being very respectful to him. These protesters were not. They weren't listening, weren't acting in the public good, they were just running everywhere, disrupting everything and not being organized and respectful in general.
I saw cops screaming at people to stop running in the streets and to just stop and listen for a second. When they act aggressive to a cop, the cop pulls out a baton.. I never saw a cop hit or swing a baton at anyone. This is way overblown.
- provost, on 03/26/2008, -2/+8I love that LA cop, but I will say that the protesters were also being very respectful to him. These protesters were not. They weren't listening, weren't acting in the public good, they were just running everywhere, disrupting everything and not being organized and respectful in general.
- DarkSamus, on 03/26/2008, -17/+118this is one of the new multiplayer modes in gta4
- soot, on 03/26/2008, -3/+15You get to walk around with a camera and yell at police.
- dasdef, on 03/26/2008, -0/+8i can see myself playing that for at least an hour
- weeeezzll, on 03/26/2008, -1/+4Only one hour? O.o
- dasdef, on 03/26/2008, -0/+2thats why i said at least
- weeeezzll, on 03/26/2008, -1/+4Only one hour? O.o
- dasdef, on 03/26/2008, -0/+8i can see myself playing that for at least an hour
- HubrisDeadPan, on 03/26/2008, -3/+8Dugg for showing humor on the very serious business internets.
- PaddyD, on 03/26/2008, -3/+2Give this man an internet.
- ThaDRD, on 03/26/2008, -2/+7GTA4 has better graphics than this pixilated nightmare of a video.
- soot, on 03/26/2008, -3/+15You get to walk around with a camera and yell at police.
- jac100, on 03/26/2008, -23/+53weak video - whiney little punk doing the camera work and talking through it. Honestly - this sucked.
- expatcatalyst, on 03/26/2008, -9/+7When the Nazis came for the communists,
I remained silent;
I was not a communist.
When they locked up the social democrats,
I remained silent;
I was not a social democrat.
When they came for the trade unionists,
I did not speak out;
I was not a trade unionist.
When they came for the Jews,
I remained silent;
I wasn't a Jew.
When they came for me,
there was no one left to speak out.
Martin Niemöller (1892–1984)
"It does not require a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority keen to set brush fires in people's minds." - Samuel Adams- se1zure, on 03/28/2008, -0/+1the beer guy?
- xero9, on 03/27/2008, -0/+1Agreed. Buried for using a camera phone
- expatcatalyst, on 03/26/2008, -9/+7When the Nazis came for the communists,
- HoratioHellpop, on 03/26/2008, -18/+54Since this video is on the Internet, it must be true and not edited in any way.
- Mystreaux, on 03/26/2008, -25/+19serano + delgado = lose
- diggcensored, on 03/26/2008, -24/+9sickening
- Nekkris, on 03/26/2008, -34/+28Honestly, that was some angry ass screaming, and they were disturbing peace. I think the officers shoulda laid some more smack down if you ask me.
- demonsnake69, on 03/26/2008, -3/+8Good to know you'll have no problem if someone laid some smackdown on you for screaming and disturbing the peace.
- BreatheRhetoric, on 03/26/2008, -5/+2So you think its perfectly fine for a bunch of people to go running around in traffic screaming in front of the UN? Would you feel the same if one of the protesters caused a fatal accident?
- demonsnake69, on 03/26/2008, -2/+3I'd laugh if a fatal accident was caused by a person rather than a car.
- BreatheRhetoric, on 03/26/2008, -5/+2So you think its perfectly fine for a bunch of people to go running around in traffic screaming in front of the UN? Would you feel the same if one of the protesters caused a fatal accident?
- demonsnake69, on 03/26/2008, -3/+8Good to know you'll have no problem if someone laid some smackdown on you for screaming and disturbing the peace.
- Ell3, on 03/26/2008, -35/+37"who were merely walking down the street"
If you believe that you're a fool. Cops don't beat up protesters for walking down the street. I'll guarantee you they were belligerent and/or were refusing to follow the cops orders. But naturally the "Hate America First" crowd on digg will use it to disparage the police.- Dundasbro, on 03/26/2008, -7/+12Yes because a criticism of authority means you hate America, nice train of thought there.
- adml_shake, on 03/26/2008, -3/+5The point he was trying to make was that here on digg most of the users just assume that the cops were in the wrong with out actually trying to figure out what was going on at the time. Stop trolling.
- Dundasbro, on 03/27/2008, -1/+1Well I wasn't trolling, if I was then that was a ***** weak troll.
- adml_shake, on 03/26/2008, -3/+5The point he was trying to make was that here on digg most of the users just assume that the cops were in the wrong with out actually trying to figure out what was going on at the time. Stop trolling.
- oderdigg, on 03/26/2008, -8/+8"I'll guarantee you they were belligerent and/or were refusing to follow the cops order"
What a tool... - pinguwin, on 03/26/2008, -6/+7Cops don't beat up protester for walking down the street? Hmmmm..... I personally know a few people who would like to have a word with you.
- adml_shake, on 03/26/2008, -2/+1Are they cops?
- borneo66, on 03/27/2008, -3/+3Have you ever been to a protest of any kind?
Can I buy weed off of you? - CyborgWarrior, on 03/27/2008, -2/+5I'd be curious to see which instances of not following an order are legitimate reasons for a night stick attack.....
- Dundasbro, on 03/26/2008, -7/+12Yes because a criticism of authority means you hate America, nice train of thought there.
- IpwnZnoobs, on 03/26/2008, -5/+31Wow... how was he just standing there yelling for so long without getting attacked himself...?
- Brian48216, on 03/26/2008, -6/+25Maybe because the cops were actually more professional then the video made them out to be.
- mc_hambone, on 03/26/2008, -4/+7Yeah, it completely debunks his very own commentary. If the cops were SO out-of-line, this video would have never made it to youtube, since one of the cops he was egging on would have first beat him down, then taken/destroyed the camera.
- Brian48216, on 03/26/2008, -6/+25Maybe because the cops were actually more professional then the video made them out to be.
- ijacker, on 03/26/2008, -10/+20video is edited around 3:15 before the clubbage
- JK1150, on 03/26/2008, -11/+32A protest that is peaceful can still violate laws to a large extent. If you don't have a permit to protest, or if you block traffic, that is still "peaceful" protesting that can end you up in jail. If you resist arrest, you can be forcibly removed. Like many have said, we don't know why the officers did this, but that is not to mean we should assume they did it for no reason. Ignoring the demands of an officer and resisting arrest can end anyone, peaceful protester or not, in the same position.
- razorsharpwit, on 03/26/2008, -10/+7The police in the major cities are out of control. You'll be next, they don't care they think they're better than you. I know what side I am on.
"Democracy never lasts long. It soon wastes, exhausts and murders
itself. There was never a democracy that did not commit suicide."
-John Adams- andreegal, on 03/26/2008, -3/+2I believe you....Marx said it too....he said that democracy is the road to socialism....and since the time of the constitution and the founding fathers and all that republics have been eroding...
- wootup, on 03/26/2008, -5/+7I love the "permit to protest" crowd, like you need to ask the government first in order to exercise your constitutional rights. Absolutely pathetic, the American revolution would've never happened if it took place in the year 2008, with so many gutless cowards bending over backwards to authority.
- slantedplanet, on 03/27/2008, -2/+5You're right on. I can't believe the number of comments about the protestors not "obeying the orders of the police"! Why the hell should I? Unless, of course, this is a police state.
- donnie_dark0, on 03/26/2008, -4/+8A "permit to protest" is such a bizarre notion. To have to get government permission to peaceably assemble in protest, especially in cases opposing governmental policies, just goes beyond my comprehension.
- JK1150, on 03/27/2008, -0/+1guess i'll start a protest in front of your house at 3AM since you're so open to the idea.
- donnie_dark0, on 04/03/2008, -0/+1Sure... If you're up to protesting at my house at 3am, I must've done something to ***** you off (if not you'd have a bunch of angry neighbors on your hands). Nothing would really stop you from doing that now on an civilian level. Would you get a permit from the government to stand out front someone's home to protest anyway?
- JK1150, on 03/27/2008, -0/+1guess i'll start a protest in front of your house at 3AM since you're so open to the idea.
- pinguwin, on 03/26/2008, -3/+5Ignoring the demands of an officer? You're assuming that all demands are lawful.
- weeeezzll, on 03/26/2008, -1/+5Just because an officer demand something of you, does not always mean that you have to comply. But that seems to be the case with police. Kind of like how they are always telling you to turn off the camera. As if you are not allowed to film them.
Oddly enough you can walk around and film them all you want, but as soon as you try to film them at a protest of when they are arresting someone, all bets are off.- diggrific, on 03/27/2008, -3/+1Both of your points make no sense at all. 1st point: You must comply with police demands. If after, you feel it was wrong, then you can grieve it with the police higher ups. Check your local police and lawmakers, it's the truth. 2nd point: He WAS filming at a protest, yet he wasn't stuck or stopped. This goes against your argument.
- thesonofdarwin, on 03/26/2008, -1/+3At least the officer gave the protesters a warning of his intent to kill them for walking. I find it pretty acceptable as long as there is a warning. Right? Right...? CNN Poll of America: 96% Yes : 1% Abstain : 3% No, no warning was necessary - Just shoot the ***** next time
That's how America works these days, it seems. Or at least there are quite a large number of supporters for such a system.
- razorsharpwit, on 03/26/2008, -10/+7The police in the major cities are out of control. You'll be next, they don't care they think they're better than you. I know what side I am on.
- gordonf238, on 03/26/2008, -12/+18Well, the protesters were kind of being dicks too, running across busy intersections and obviously confronting the cops, trying to provoke them. However, for what it's worth, NYPD are pigs. I used to participate in the Critical Mass bicycle ride every last Friday of the month, and they'd setup random traps throughout the city to try to "catch" bikers in small groups because, you know, riding a bicycle is illegal. They're such *****.
- mbraynard, on 03/26/2008, -2/+3Nothing to do with you guys breaking all kinds of rules when you are riding on the streets? Sort of like on the SanFran Critical Mass bike rides?
What did they do when they hauled you into court? Accused you of impersonating a jester? - wizzroom, on 03/27/2008, -0/+1Ha i rode in CM NYC a few times too. CM is an exception. They are indeed 'pigs' when it comes to CM. I don't like to generalize you know because I've definitely seen some 'decent cops' in NYC.
- mbraynard, on 03/26/2008, -2/+3Nothing to do with you guys breaking all kinds of rules when you are riding on the streets? Sort of like on the SanFran Critical Mass bike rides?
- kidcodea, on 03/26/2008, -8/+12they were not even skating! dudes!
- misfit410, on 03/26/2008, -15/+52They edited it all to hell, and the only thing I can think watching it is how badly I want them to club the cameraman.
- dasdef, on 03/26/2008, -2/+5yeah what an annoying guy
'THIS IS OUTRAGEOUS OMG CALL THE POLICE' - mormo92, on 03/27/2008, -1/+3Clearly edited for the purpose making Police look bad. If I was Serano or Delgado, I would have nailed this guy.
- dasdef, on 03/26/2008, -2/+5yeah what an annoying guy
- KillaJazzBass, on 03/26/2008, -11/+8The MSM knows that the government they serve owes the Chinese government several zillion dollars. Hence it will go underreported before evaporating into another cycle of spin and *****.
- papipablo, on 03/26/2008, -22/+11***** the police
- NuclearDruid, on 03/26/2008, -7/+8You'd be just fine without them... right?
- radison2, on 03/26/2008, -8/+6perhaps even better off
- SpectreFire, on 03/26/2008, -4/+7Yeah... cause the streets of New York are so safe and crime free. No murderers or crackheads there at all.
- radison2, on 03/26/2008, -8/+6perhaps even better off
- WeirdEdsel, on 03/26/2008, -3/+3tha*
- TonyLocNE, on 03/26/2008, -7/+5really? you're going to get dugg down for saying "***** the Police"
- slantedplanet, on 03/27/2008, -1/+5Absolutely! These days they are the enemy of the people.
- ExiL3, on 03/27/2008, -0/+1...coming straight outta Compton
- NuclearDruid, on 03/26/2008, -7/+8You'd be just fine without them... right?
- scififan9009, on 03/26/2008, -3/+9Serious violence doesn't occur until 1:43 in. Someone needs to encode this better, quality made it hard to watch.
- gyronic, on 03/26/2008, -14/+20These protesters were not in a FREE SPEECH ZONE, its their fault.
Have you people been asleep for the last 7 years?- BobaFettTDG, on 03/26/2008, -1/+15I really hope you're being sarcastic.
- gyronic, on 03/26/2008, -4/+5Kind of, but its true. They need to have a permit, and that permit usually requires them to be in a designated area, aka free Speech Zone.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_speech_zone- klax89, on 03/26/2008, -2/+4But does being outside that zone permit the violence seen in this video?
- gyronic, on 03/26/2008, -2/+3Current laws certainly do. I saw people running from the police, pushing and shoving, etc. Its hard to really tell what has taken place, so i cant really say.
If these had been shoplifters running though the streets of NY, people would have less sympathy. Sure the protests are for a good reason, imho.. but it still doesn't justify breaking the law.
Overall if these people were following the established laws, id be outraged. If you dont like the laws, vote in somebody that will change them. its a different country since 9//11 there is no doubt. What is up for debate if these changes were necessary or for the good of the country.
Get a permit, stay in the FREE SPEECH ZONE. If they people followed the laws and still got beat, then it would be brutality. - JBURNES, on 03/26/2008, -1/+4My constitution tells me that my whole country is a free speech zone you idiot
- gyronic, on 03/26/2008, -0/+4whoa hold on the names! Calm your keyboard rage!
Courts interpret the constitution, what you think doesn't matter. - andreegal, on 03/26/2008, -0/+2I understand what your saying Gyronic but "Get a permit, stay in the FREE SPEECH ZONE" why because they say so? shouldn't this be cause for civil disobedience? I'm tired of people now days giving in to any government policy without thinking it through, most of the times people don't even know what laws are being implemented.....anyhow "Courts interpret the constitution, what you think doesn't matter" sadly is right...I guess we just have to wait and see where this train takes us, hopefully somewhere where "we the people" grow balls back.
- gyronic, on 03/27/2008, -0/+1You are right! It IS "We the People!" And WE are the only ones that can change the current course. Civil disobedience has its place, but we all must realize the same laws that give WE THE PEOPLE to elect our government are the same laws the current administration uses to repress our activism. Fight fire with fire! Use the Constitution, follow the correct course and Vote in people that will throw out these silly FREE SPEECH ZONES!
- gyronic, on 03/26/2008, -4/+5Kind of, but its true. They need to have a permit, and that permit usually requires them to be in a designated area, aka free Speech Zone.
- diggydougie, on 03/26/2008, -1/+8The entire U.S. is a FREE SPEECH ZONE. Read the constitution.
- gyronic, on 03/26/2008, -3/+2Ive read it. Of course, as you know courts interpret it.
Thats the way it works.- jellygraph, on 03/26/2008, -1/+2I dugg you down, not because what you said isn't true... but that its the sad truth and I resent it
- gyronic, on 03/26/2008, -1/+2It IS sad :(
- metric7, on 03/27/2008, -1/+2Where have you been lately?They had those outside the conventions last time. Watch for them this year.
- diggrific, on 03/27/2008, -0/+2Diggydougie, you need to read the case law and explanation. The constitution guarantees the right, but other laws define acceptable actions. (I.E. you can't yell fire in a crowded theater and claim freedom of speech)
http://www.lectlaw.com/files/con10.htm
- gyronic, on 03/26/2008, -3/+2Ive read it. Of course, as you know courts interpret it.
- thesonofdarwin, on 03/26/2008, -1/+8Is that right next to the drinking fountain labeled "Blacks?"
- slantedplanet, on 03/27/2008, -2/+2You guys haven't been keeping up if you don't know what gyronic is referring to.
- gogoyubari, on 03/27/2008, -2/+2i really hate vague comments like this. oh, something that happened in the last 7 years? yeah i totally know what he's talking about. im sure you do too, jackass.
- slantedplanet, on 03/27/2008, -0/+5Sorry, I'm afraid you weren't standing in the designated free speech area when you made that remark. Furthermore, you do not possess the required permit.
- gyronic, on 03/27/2008, -0/+1Thankfully, the courts haven't ruled (yet) Digg is not a Free Speech Zone!
- gogoyubari, on 03/27/2008, -2/+2i really hate vague comments like this. oh, something that happened in the last 7 years? yeah i totally know what he's talking about. im sure you do too, jackass.
- BobaFettTDG, on 03/26/2008, -1/+15I really hope you're being sarcastic.
- JointVenture, on 03/26/2008, -11/+28Buried, bogus video.
Its videos like this that make people skeptical when there is a legitimate grievance. - turbovince, on 03/26/2008, -6/+38Worst video quality ever.
- Persian5Life, on 03/26/2008, -19/+13wow. in Canada we have this thing called the freedom of speech in which we can say what we want and don't fear prosecution.
- thedogfatherx, on 03/26/2008, -4/+5So do we.
- ariez84, on 03/26/2008, -3/+4You also have French Canadian. You Lose.
- downneck, on 03/26/2008, -3/+2"wow. in Canada we have this thing called the freedom of speech in which we can say what we want and don't fear prosecution as long as we say it in french"
fixed it for ya - alais, on 03/26/2008, -3/+1"wow. in Canada we have this thing called the freedom of speech in which we can say what we want and don't fear prosecution."
It would appear as if canada also has something called dumb asses. - DutchGuilder, on 03/26/2008, -4/+1Riiiight. Expect free speech doesn't apply in Canada when the Chinese Premier is visiting, or at an APEC conference, or during a CFR meeting. Twit.
- alam555, on 03/26/2008, -3/+1oh whatever..... canadian free speech, tell that to the poor bloke who was tazered to death at yvr while expressing free speech. Even harper can't speak freely until cheney says so, ask omar khaddar, or better yet wait, how about you ask ottawa what happened when they classified US as a torture supporting state only to have their beehinds bitch slapped by the white house. the cold must be getting to you man.
- mlindle, on 03/26/2008, -8/+5Bad video, reminded me of Blair Witch....
- lostarchitect, on 03/26/2008, -4/+8i can't see anything in this video. it's very poor quality and has a ton of cuts. if they post a better quality, uncut tape i'd like to see it. if not, there's not much to say.
- rjprux, on 03/26/2008, -6/+10KICK HIS ASS SEABASS
- PolishLogic, on 03/26/2008, -12/+40***** camera work, ***** quality, early on you can see one of the guys shoving a cop when he's walking by him. Sorry, but I'm not impressed nor am I outraged. Especially when the protesters are failing to comply.
I won't even mention the post-filming editing that goes on leading me to question whether or not the guy dubbed in his comments after the fact.- bobburn, on 03/26/2008, -1/+9agreed, from the get-go there seemed to be an 'angry' tone to the protesters. I'd like to see the unedited version.
- SpectreFire, on 03/26/2008, -2/+5It's when he flips the video on its side that finished it for me. It's not a digital camera, filming it like that doesn't make it look better, it just confuses the ***** out of people.
But that aside, it really is crap. The guy sounded like a complete douche, they way he said "officeerr Delgadooo, badge number something something something..." goddamn. Screw the cops, if it was me, and I was just a bystander, I'd beat the ***** out of him.
You're in New York, if you're walking around blocking traffic and acting like a dick, people will beat the ***** out of you. Cops or otherwise.
- kida001, on 03/26/2008, -15/+5I dont get this, how are the police aloud to do this. ***** seriously, how is this aloud?? Is this being taken to court. This ***** makes my stomach churn...
- Echoes, on 03/26/2008, -2/+3Do you mean "allowed?"
- dan222555, on 03/26/2008, -2/+3My stomach churns when people make egregious spelling mistakes.
- Apophis574, on 03/26/2008, -8/+8"Civil disobedience is still disobedience."
-Maddox - MrBone, on 03/26/2008, -11/+22That was not a peacfull protest. End of story.
- ComstockGordon, on 03/26/2008, -3/+6Exactly. A few cops may have overreacted but this protest was getting out of hand. Just because your protesting doesn't mean you have to be chaotic and march around the city screaming and interfering with traffic. I've seen far better protests than that.
- shig, on 03/27/2008, -1/+1How so? Did they have weapons? Did they assault an officer or citizen? What exactly did they do to cause them to be labeled a mob or an unlawful assembly?
- an0nym0uz, on 03/27/2008, -0/+1you better believe it was even worse in other countries especially in tibet and China, scumbags want to rage out of control and kill innocent people, then call it peaceful protesting and blame it on the government, but at the same time they want whole world to pity them as if they are totally innocent and didn't deserve any of it. you all saw one of those douche bags running into traffic, thats probably how a good amount of those idiots died everywhere else in the world.
- bigmrjohn, on 03/26/2008, -11/+7Despicable, absolutely despicable... God Bless America and our "freedom" to protest and or "freedom" of speech
- NuclearDruid, on 03/26/2008, -3/+5Or... you could see this was not a proper protest.
- K31TH3R, on 03/26/2008, -1/+3A "proper" protest? Kind of an oxymoron isn't it? A protest is always going to be improper to SOMEONE... that's the whole reason it's a protest, mr. cop dude. :)
- DBLaise, on 03/26/2008, -2/+6I dislike cops behavior on most occasions but these "protesters" where running in front of cars. These cops are clearly trying to keep these "protesters" from messing up anyone else's day. And you know what don't push a cop and you won't get hit in the head with a billy club. Simple.
/rant over
- NuclearDruid, on 03/26/2008, -3/+5Or... you could see this was not a proper protest.
- mrgeekguy, on 03/26/2008, -12/+28Was I the only one that wished the narrator/cameraman got a good clubbing?
- expatcatalyst, on 03/26/2008, -6/+3Yes. You think the cops were right?
- mrgeekguy, on 03/26/2008, -2/+3Were the cops right? NOBODY can tell from this craptastic video. I'll wait for a more unbiased video or report to make my decision.
- czeman, on 03/27/2008, -0/+1The cameraman deserves a good clubbing, but not from the police. It's hard to tell, but I think he stayed out of the way. That leads me to believe the protestors weren't staying out of the way.
- expatcatalyst, on 03/26/2008, -6/+3Yes. You think the cops were right?
- Beatmiser, on 03/26/2008, -9/+15Pfft. Police are overkill.
This situation called for a Hippie Drill.
http://www.robbooth.net/images/Hippie_Drill.jpg- dasdef, on 03/26/2008, -2/+1id prefer a cow catcher
- demonsnake69, on 03/26/2008, -8/+3Wow, you are so cool that I hope you die...in a cool way of course.
- chadillak, on 03/26/2008, -3/+11If I were getting clubbed by police, there would be something disturbing about having live commentary shouted by some a-hole running in circles. "UNBELIEVEABLE! HE'S GETTING CLUBBED!"
- expatcatalyst, on 03/26/2008, -5/+3So he was supposed to also get clubbed and have no proof of what happened when the Nazi's took away his camera? If you really care at this point, go tell the NYPD what you think http://www.nyc.gov/html/ccrb/html/contact.html
- BreatheRhetoric, on 03/26/2008, -3/+1Why do you think they didn't club him?
- shakbhaji, on 03/27/2008, -0/+2"YOU ARE GROSS!!"
- expatcatalyst, on 03/26/2008, -5/+3So he was supposed to also get clubbed and have no proof of what happened when the Nazi's took away his camera? If you really care at this point, go tell the NYPD what you think http://www.nyc.gov/html/ccrb/html/contact.html
- elTito, on 03/26/2008, -8/+24I love you knee-jerk mouth breathers. Really, I do. You are aware that you need a permit to protest, and this was FAR from a "peacable assembly" are you not?
The guy with the camera is lucky he wasn't arrested for inciting a riot. If I'd been there he would have been the first one in hand cuffs.- zomgwaffles, on 03/26/2008, -11/+4shut up pig
- Aleks, on 03/26/2008, -2/+4I'm with you... the start of the video has the cops asking nicely, you cannot push people out the way with your protest.
If I was walking down the street and those maniacs pushed me and other people going to work, I'd want the cops to break up the non-permitted protest. - tcpip4lyfe, on 03/27/2008, -4/+4The fact that you need a permit is kind of *****. What if they dont want to give it to you?
- elTito, on 03/27/2008, -1/+3Far as I know they can't deny it to you unless they have specific reason to believe that your assembly will not be peaceable or if there is some legitimate safety or security concern. While the angsty and/or lesser educated among us may see the permit requirement as being a way for the government to deny you your right to peaceably assemble, in reality its purpose is to ensure that the local jurisdiction has time to provide you with an environment in which you are unimpeded and safe in the exercise of that right.
- tcpip4lyfe, on 03/27/2008, -0/+2Good to know.
- elTito, on 03/27/2008, -1/+3Far as I know they can't deny it to you unless they have specific reason to believe that your assembly will not be peaceable or if there is some legitimate safety or security concern. While the angsty and/or lesser educated among us may see the permit requirement as being a way for the government to deny you your right to peaceably assemble, in reality its purpose is to ensure that the local jurisdiction has time to provide you with an environment in which you are unimpeded and safe in the exercise of that right.
- an0nym0uz, on 03/27/2008, -0/+2you think this protest was bad? think about how bad it was in tibet and China where these scumbags killed innocent people because they were Chinese living in tibet...
- artisresistance, on 03/27/2008, -2/+4And I love you obedient pussies who don't know what the meaning of a protest is, and defend "permits to protest" and "free speech zones".
- elTito, on 03/27/2008, -1/+1Ahh teenage angst. How I look back now and loathe my high school days.
- an0nym0uz, on 03/27/2008, -0/+2wtf are you talking about?
- ToMZiLLA, on 03/26/2008, -7/+6Disturbing the peace ftw!
- ncc74656m, on 03/26/2008, -11/+6Obviously those cops were out of line, but any first grader knows that when the camera cuts out, then claims proof of something you can't see, it should be suspect.
Point: The cops who were inciting things by shouting "I'm going to kill you" and similar, shoving people, and clubbing them, need to be disciplined. The cameraman is an idiot, though. Tom Petty might say "A Rebel Without A Clue."- dan222555, on 03/26/2008, -2/+5"Obviously those cops were out of line"
That's obvious to you based on this stupid ***** video? Wow...- ncc74656m, on 03/27/2008, -1/+1Uhh, I don't see the protestors throwing punches here, nor using their batons. Well, if they were even armed with them in the first place.
- dan222555, on 03/27/2008, -0/+1Uhh what you see is in all likelihood not an an accurate representation of what actually happened. You don't realize that? You think you're getting enough of the whole story from this terrible quality, edited home video to conclude the cops were in the wrong?
- Jeepy, on 03/26/2008, -1/+2Those are some smart first graders.
- ncc74656m, on 03/27/2008, -1/+1Clearly they got the jump on you, then.
- jmg703, on 03/27/2008, -1/+2We don't know if he said "I'm going to kill you". Just because it's subtitled doesn't mean he said it.
- ncc74656m, on 03/27/2008, -1/+1You can hear him shout it, fool.
- dan222555, on 03/27/2008, -0/+1You can hear him shout "I'm going to kill you" and I can hear him a shout a million other things that you wouldn't be able to decipher from one another based on the terrible quality audio. The point is the only people that know what that guy was saying are the people that were there.
- ncc74656m, on 03/27/2008, -1/+1You can hear him shout it, fool.
- dan222555, on 03/26/2008, -2/+5"Obviously those cops were out of line"
- mrinternet, on 03/26/2008, -5/+21Not so sure here folks, the UN is a high risk target, with a legal 'managed zone' . It was pretty chaotic there, the video maker seemed to be inciting things himself (his voice wanted me to smack him myself). Ooh officer you are in trouble..SMACK you're in trouble . Would be nice to see some better quality, independent substantiated views there before folks are hung out to dry. I was in NYC last year and found the cops there some of the best trained I have seen (I have worked with more than a few). Note the number of protestors in the same groups NOT being restrained, or cops not being aggressive to others in the same groups.
- weeeezzll, on 03/26/2008, -3/+4Divide and conquer is the tactic that police use when they are outnumbered. They choose the individuals a few at a time, and rough them up good to make an example for the rest of the protesters. The more docile in the group either leave or become subservient out of fear...
- an0nym0uz, on 03/27/2008, -1/+1this is the nypd, i highly highly doubt they are that organized.
- weeeezzll, on 03/26/2008, -3/+4Divide and conquer is the tactic that police use when they are outnumbered. They choose the individuals a few at a time, and rough them up good to make an example for the rest of the protesters. The more docile in the group either leave or become subservient out of fear...
- OrangeTide, on 03/26/2008, -0/+2"Police van drives onto sidewalk? Why?" ... duh because the protesters are running amok. .. why did the first dude get hit? if you pause the frame you see him come up shove the cop. Yea I'd ***** hit him too.
"shame shame. what a shame. you guys are gross!" .. wow the camera guy is pretty naive. You think the right to protest includes running into traffic, creating a dangerous situation for you, innocent bystanders and the police?
I'm Libertarian, I am very much against government interference in our lives. But when a small number of protesters decide to escalate things and endanger the community they are corralled and then act like they did nothing wrong and further escalate the situation forcing the cops to either give up or force them (force is always the same as violence) to cease their actions. -
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