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- elijahyossie, on 07/20/2009, -8/+293I don't think he should be denied a liver transplant for some moral reason.
If there were enough donor livers to go round, he should get one. But there aren't enough, and it's right that alcoholics are not prioritised, in my view. - scriptcoder, on 07/19/2009, -1/+253See it all depends. What other people are in the same position (require a liver transplant) who were not responsible for their condition? They should get the transplant first.
- WordsnCollision, on 07/20/2009, -9/+220Where was Mom while the kid was becoming an alcoholic? She should make up for her lack of responsibility by giving him HER liver.
- Suspected, on 07/20/2009, -8/+166I don't blame him for partying when he was 13. I blame him for drinking at 20, 21, and 22, when he was old enough to know better. Sorry, but there are actually needy people on the list whose medical complications were not self-induced.
- DavidNiven, on 07/20/2009, -17/+166You reap what you sow.
People who do stupid things to themselves should go to the bottom of the waiting list, whether it be alcoholism, smoking, drugs, or irresponsible sex. And doing stupid things includes spending all your money on wild living and then not being able to pay for insurance.
Can't tell you how many times I've seen uninsured people whining about not having insurance but smoking lots of cigarettes (at $4+ per pack), having a tricked out car, and a nice cell phone.
People who try to do the right thing and have accidents should get first priority. - inactive, on 07/20/2009, -3/+148chances are he'd keep right on drinking, he started so young he's been a heavy drinker for almost half his life.
- ThePhone, on 07/20/2009, -24/+150Stick to weed, kids.
- xonkonog, on 07/19/2009, -27/+148Sucks to be him.
- naner, on 07/20/2009, -1/+115"His predicament may serve as a wake-up call to a generation of young drinkers who are downing large volumes of cheap alcohol."
That's right, young drinkers. Go for the top shelf stuff. - dystra, on 07/20/2009, -3/+11522 year old "boy"?
- gizram84, on 07/20/2009, -5/+101wait, you mean there are consequences for poor decisions?
/s - XkenX87, on 07/20/2009, -5/+100Irony in that mothers face. She let him drink at a young age, to be kind. And now he's dying.
- raynar, on 07/20/2009, -1/+72Better luck with the next kid. Try being a parent this time.
- IKORKYI, on 07/20/2009, -4/+70Parenting FAIL.
- Phil13, on 07/20/2009, -1/+5622 years old is 'boy' when people want to sensationalize stories.
- leprix, on 07/20/2009, -1/+54Steve Jobs has your liver.
- BC200, on 07/20/2009, -1/+49Because letting your kid get ***** every night is the kindest thing a mother can do.
- mbtria, on 07/20/2009, -1/+49Liver transplants are difficult to come by. One of the major considerations is just how likely the patient is going to properly care for him/her self post-surgery. A great deal of meticulous care is required in order to stay alive. My own son, about the same age, and not a problem drinker, took too much tylenol over a period of a week in self treating a sprained ankle. He lost liver function (tylenol depletes glutathione) as a result, and was not likely to survive without a transplant. As a result of his lousy attitude, bravado in the face of dying and overall adolescent sarcasm, the transplant team decided that he was not a viable candidate for a transplant. This was so even though my ex and I were able to pay any costs above what our two insurances covered. Fortunately he pulled through.
I can well understand why an alcoholic, who has not stopped drinking for some reasonable amount of time prior to the surgery, would be denied. They, like my son, are not likely candidates to exercise the lifestyle needed to make a success of the transplant. This livestyle change is somewhat rigorous involving meds, medical care, exercise and diet. The transplant is better given to someone who will provide the proper care required. - dpbBryan, on 07/20/2009, -10/+57You made your bed, now sleep in it.
- bpoteat, on 07/20/2009, -1/+45"Livers aren't exactly hard to come by".
As someone who had a parent on the transplant list, I can tell you that you are wrong. They are very hard to come by and people quite often die waiting for a matching donor. - Totz83, on 07/20/2009, -0/+44Rule out Lupus for a start
- IHaveIssues, on 07/20/2009, -1/+45Just so he can kill the new liver and void the good work the surgeon did? No thanks.
- dhughes, on 07/20/2009, -15/+57Or neither.
- jfitz369, on 07/20/2009, -3/+41Yeah, when you drink at that level you're basically trying to kill yourself any way. So buy the ticket, take the ride. Cheers!
- atgmac, on 07/20/2009, -3/+40It would be a pretty ***** hospital if they made patients make their own beds. I'm sure the hospital staff do it for him.
- ayeroxor, on 07/20/2009, -1/+38Yup. And the fault lies with the absentee parent(s). Sounds like his mom's trying to shift the blame.
"Gary didn’t know what he was doing when he was 13."
Yeah, and apparently you didn't either (or more likely knew but were more interested in being your child's buddy than his parent) so your Darwin card is being revoked. - bobburn1, on 07/20/2009, -1/+38Maybe better parenting might of prevented this...hmmm
- doublefelix, on 07/19/2009, -22/+58Sad story. Speaks to the effects genetics also has on developing liver disease. Sure, you can blame him for partying his ass off since he was 13; but what have you gotten away with?
- outofmir, on 07/20/2009, -18/+53See, now we would never have had this problem in the US. His mom is a kitchen assistant. Kitchen asstants cannot afford health care, so the kid would have been dead by now.
dead kid
= no need for liver transplant
= no need for political/moral discussion
= rich people (who deserve health-care because they have money) get the care they need
= EVERYBODY WINS!!!! - inactive, on 07/20/2009, -1/+36Hmm, might actually work since it's more expensive and you're not going to be able to buy as much.
- inactive, on 07/20/2009, -16/+51I got away with having a ***** brain and not drinking myself to death before I was even of legal age. I don't feel the slightest bit sympathy for alcoholics. It's not a disease if the treatment is the victim refraining from doing a superfluous activity.
- WafflesID, on 07/20/2009, -16/+50Drinking legally since I was 21.
- Torqued, on 07/20/2009, -0/+34Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.
- acknotSW, on 07/20/2009, -3/+35"yes, I'm sorry miss, but we only do liver transplants on famous alcoholics."
- sardiskan, on 07/20/2009, -0/+31The principle that alcoholics aren't allowed a liver isn't a moral issue at all. It just makes good sense to not give a good liver to someone that habitually does things to make them not work anymore. Just like you wouldn't loan your camera to your friend that broke his last two cameras. It's a waste of resources. If someone isn't responsible with what they have been given, I'll be damned if they need to get another one. Especially something like a body part that could be used to save the life of someone that isn't going to jack it up on purpose. And don't go on about how "he'll change". I've known too many alcoholics, they don't change. This kid might be the 1 in a million that do, but that's too much of a risk.
- MacParrot, on 07/20/2009, -8/+39OR you could NOT abuse intoxicants of any form and not have to weigh the potential health issues?
- MikeOxbigg, on 07/20/2009, -0/+31He's a 22-year old grown MAN. It's on him if he drank himself out of a liver.
- t0x2c, on 07/20/2009, -4/+34Yea, sad story but there's really not enough livers to go around.
- CrazedLeper, on 07/20/2009, -1/+31...or at least a part of it. Also, since when is a 22-yr old a 'boy'? Life is choices. Unfortunately, death is one of them.
- Kapowpapow, on 07/20/2009, -1/+31He's dead http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/8159813. ...
- Lateralis1, on 07/20/2009, -0/+30Tell him he's an idiot.
- inactive, on 07/20/2009, -3/+32Oh please, don't give me that ***** that teens think they're invincible and don't understand consequences. Unless they're mentally retarded, every teen is aware of their actions' consequences. When I was a teen I knew that I'd probably get hurt from jumping off a building, so I didn't do it. Anyone stupid enough to think they can drink that much for that long and get away with it deserves what they get. We can't fully defeat natural selection (nor should we).
When you factor in all the anti-drug and health classes EVERY kid goes through, to say that it's not the teens fault because they thought they were invincible is simply removing the responsibility from the person who is indeed, ultimately responsible. Stop babying them! - inactive, on 07/20/2009, -3/+32"Legality is completely relevant, the drinking age is 21 because that's how old you are before you liver is fully developed."
That's either an incredibly stupid person, or some fine trolling :D
Reminds me of all that BS when I was a kid about coffee stunting your growth. - jtens, on 07/20/2009, -0/+29Cirrhosis at 22? I'm 23 and have drank quite a bit in my time but god damn. This kid must've been drinking a prodigious amount of liquor.
- Shawn4168, on 07/20/2009, -0/+28Well he sure doesn't act like an adult, so I'd say calling him a boy is more appropriate.
- BC200, on 07/20/2009, -3/+31Oh, sure, play the race card.
- allyant, on 07/20/2009, -1/+29It's 18 in the UK.
And its not just got to do with what he did when he was 13, what about when he was 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22? - Jektal, on 07/20/2009, -0/+26Exactly, FTFA: "Gary didn’t know what he was doing when he was 13. He didn’t know it would come to this when he was 22."
Which is why you can't drink legally at 13, or drive a car, or vote in an election, etc. The whole concept of being a minor is that you don't know enough yet to manage your life entirely, and are dependent on guidance and supervision from your parent/guardian to guide you.
It's a shame this kid didn't have one. - inactive, on 07/20/2009, -3/+29Alcoholics don't usually get new livers here either. It's not an issue about socialized medicine.
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