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- TomK88, on 03/10/2009, -26/+321Religion is not a reason to disobey the laws of society.
- Floodle, on 03/10/2009, -16/+277It's a tricky one, if you allow people to wear full head scarves then you know some criminals are going to start doing it as a way to make it easier to rob banks (the reason behind the banks ban) - some people are just bad like that. It's a no win situation.
I'm going to do some online banking in a hat and sunglasses right now just for the sake of being a rebel - inactive, on 03/10/2009, -12/+264FTFA: "On Saturday, Shelley said, employees again asked her to come to the back room if she would not remove her head scarf. "No," she recalled telling them, "I want to be served like everybody else." "
To me, it sounds like the bank WAS serving her like everyone else...by asking her to follow the same rules as everyone else. - Volath, on 03/10/2009, -11/+134I don't mind people having hats on or part of their faces covered. But if there is ONE place where you shouldn't be able to, its either a bank or federal building. This is just ***** common sense. Religious or cultural customs do not supersede everyone's safety.
- LacY, on 03/10/2009, -7/+110Agreed--normally I'm all for private rights, but there's a very legit reason for this rule. It seems to me that as long as bank workers are respectful and there's a private area where a person can be identified, I see nothing wrong with that.
- Hardrada, on 03/10/2009, -6/+100"No," she recalled telling them, "I want to be served like everybody else."
Considering everyone else has to abide by their no hats, hoods or sunglasses policy I find this hard to believe. I don't see why the rules should be changed to suit her beliefs, and if she doesn't like it there's plenty of places she can move to where it won't be a problem. - kd420, on 03/10/2009, -7/+98In Canada they recently made it alright to vote even with a full head covering (face too). Another incident was a man who tried to fight a motorcycle ticket because he claimed his turban prevented him from wearing a helmet. For the most part these situations can be handled on a case by case basis, but what about when the different cultures clash? In 1990 a Sikh was allowed to wear a turban in the RCMP instead of the iconic hat. There is nothing dangerous or wrong with this but it certainly angered people in what they saw as a loss of Canadian culture. Our national anthem has clear Christian overtones (mentions God and "Thy Son's Command"), must that be changed as well? Recently a principal stopped playing it in the morning due to some children's religious views and received tons of flack for it. He got death threats and was forced to put it back.
The problem is that even as an individual, I find it hard making up my mind on issues like this. I am an atheist (though I come from a Christian family) and I can see why someone would not like it, but I still have a tremendous amount of sentimentality towards the anthem; how could this not be expected? So when you move to a society, are you expected to conform to social norms or does the society have to change to accommodate you? (Not a rhetorical question, I am genuinely unsure) - bladzalot, on 03/10/2009, -38/+120Totally agree with kicking her out of line...this is not the middle east, if you do not want to fit in, fine...but do not expect us to take security risks so that you can have your ***** berka...
- Threlly1, on 03/10/2009, -5/+71No problem with that, Bank Policy is Bank policy.
It's there for a good reason.
Her head wear is optional, the safety of the Bank is not.
If I believe in the Jedi religion, why can't I wear a hood everywhere ?
I'm sick to death of people who believe in Faeries, Pixies, Gods and Spaghetti Monsters
bending the rules to please their 'beliefs' - MacEnvy, on 03/10/2009, -0/+63No, because a nun would take off her habit. They aren't precluded from doing so if necessary.
- mickstephenson, on 03/10/2009, -3/+63Well in England alot of chavvy people where hoodies, and so hoodies are often banned in shopping centres and the like. So in a way making an exception because of religion is in itself a form of discrimination.
- kd420, on 03/10/2009, -4/+63What a self-fulfilling comment.
- rheaume, on 03/10/2009, -39/+98They have to see your face for ***** sakes!
Ill dress up as a Muslim woman tomorrow and rob banks then, sounds like its foolproof - franklymister, on 03/10/2009, -3/+50If she doesn't want to follow the credit union's rules, she's free to take her business elsewhere.
If we make every private company's rules subject to revision by the rules of religion, where do we draw the line? Can she come in with a face-obscuring burka?
I think the Pastafarians should declare that the Flying Spaghetti Monster has decreed all devout followers must carry large comedy sticks of dynamite while wearing ski masks whenever they go out in public. Let's see how far "religious freedom" can go. - diggdiggerid, on 03/10/2009, -2/+48No that's a misunderstanding of the constitution. The constitution limits what the government can do to you. A private bank is another matter.
- inactive, on 03/10/2009, -2/+45"So when you move to a society, are you expected to conform to social norms or does the society have to change to accommodate you? (Not a rhetorical question, I am genuinely unsure)"
I tend to follow the "When in Rome, do as the Romans do" tenet. - kylejn, on 03/10/2009, -1/+43It's not like they kicked her out. They offered to serve her in a back room, more than they probably would have done for someone refusing to remove a hat or sunglasses. She refused.
I don't see the problem here. - entropysteak, on 03/10/2009, -3/+44they just want to make sure they can get a clear view of your face from the cameras. if i have to take off my sunglasses and hat when i go in a bank other people should have to take off their head wear - regardless of whether it is religious or cultural.
- GoKings, on 03/11/2009, -3/+43"I just want to be served like everyone else."
Well... For everyone else the policy is NO HATS, HOODS, OR SUNGLASSES. Don't ask for equality when and then complain about it when it inconveniences you. - morgino, on 03/10/2009, -11/+48Good...***** her. I'm sick of bending our laws for religious reasons to the point that they are going to break. Tell her to go to Britain where they have bent so far they are a few years from Shariah law
- ajcates, on 03/11/2009, -2/+38It isn't your bank so you don't get to make the rules, if you don't like it go bank somewhere else. I just switched banks because they had installed a prison like glass door thingy.
- wickedpixel, on 03/11/2009, -1/+34completely agree. in fact, her refusal to remove her scarf garnered special treatment - she got to skip to the front of the line!
- MUFDVR3669, on 03/10/2009, -4/+37They are not telling her she can't be Muslim. She has to follow the same rules as everyone else. Just because you cover your damn head doesn't mean everyone should accommodate you, it's like the people who want to get their driver's license with their faces covered in a scarf. Sorry you have to follow the rules that everyone has too. I'm going to start up a religion tomorrow where it's in my faith to rob banks and cry about it when they deny me my right to my religion.
- Lonandubh, on 03/11/2009, -2/+34"Excuse me, Ma'am. Out of respect for your religion, i will not ask you to remove your head covering, but due to company policy, we cannot serve customers with covered heads at our regular teller stands. If you would please come with me we can take care of you in compliance with company safety policies, and cut down on your waiting time"
If she wants to be offended at a rule that applies to Everybody, that's her business, but I'm kind of confused about her wanting to be treated just like everybody else at the same time she wants an exception to a policy which applies to everybody else.
If I walked in with my hat, I doubt _I'd_ get the "private room" option (nor do I believe I should). - waspinator, on 03/10/2009, -0/+30The individual should conform or at least be respectful of the society they move to. So if a society has a tradition of covering their head (with a scarf or police hat), anyone visiting or moving there should be prepared to do the same.
- nepidae, on 03/10/2009, -2/+33How is this a problem? They have a policy and part of that policy is an alternative if you don't/can't remove your headware for religious purposes. I do not want my life put in danger because someone expects everyone to bend over backwards for them.
- ryker, on 03/10/2009, -5/+35It sucks that they need to have a policy like that, but it's the banks (and any other business) perogative to make these rules for their place of business. If it's their policy, then everyone should follow it, regardless of his/her excuse for needing to wear something on their head. If it bothers their customers that much, they can always take their business elsewhere.
- froggger, on 03/11/2009, -0/+27hope you have a couple hours to kill...
- ygeoff419, on 03/11/2009, -4/+30lmfao, yes sir it has been taken over by idiots, I salute you as the leader of the 'United Retards Demonstrating Use of Minimal Brainwaves' or URDUMB, you are my hero for the day!
- 35y365h, on 03/10/2009, -9/+34No. This country does not need to turn into another Britain/Holland. It is unfortunate that this complicates matters for her but I will not have my safety and my rights hindered so society can be politically correct an appease her. Before somebody comes in and calls me an ignorant racist -- Please head to the UK. I've been there, I have many friends there and in the Middle East. Everybody abuses our broken moral compass and uses it to further their own agenda. While her actions are innocuous they are just one of many pieces that ultimately creates an imbalance towards our safety and our rights lest they be offended that we 'discriminate' against them.
Stand up and don't let them push this. Most people will cave by default because they fear being demonized and scrutinized by the public. This allows too many negative things to go on. - Hudon689, on 06/13/2009, -1/+25He took an ignorant tone just like this woman did by saying "no" to the teller and calling.
The no-headgear rule is there to improve security. If I believe in wearing a hat all the time because I think it brings me closer to my god (or any other religious reasons), I'll take it off when I enter a bank. Why? Because yes, I'm free to express my religious views, but EVERYONE in that bank is free to process their transactions in a secure way by agreeing to abide by the hat-ban. Their freedom should not be put aside just for the sake of mine. That's being selfish.
Take your ***** hat(berka,barkie,bukakke,banana, the name doesn't matter) off. - TomK88, on 03/10/2009, -7/+31Show me which constitutional right gives you the freedom to break laws. Tolerance is great, but what makes Christianity or Islam so worthy of an exemption to laws? Say I have my own spirituality that dictates I walk around with an AK-47, is that OK with you?
- Ajajadude, on 03/11/2009, -1/+25Did they also install those dammed steel doors for the vault?
- grenz, on 03/10/2009, -0/+21I think generally immigrating to a country implies the desire to take on the shared values. A certain amount of accommodation is fine, but not every law or rule can change. Doing so simply implies that that group comes to exploit the country for economic gain and nothing more.
- BabaRamDass, on 03/10/2009, -3/+25The bank has rights too. It's a private institution and therefore can make its own rules. Like how you can forbid people coming into your house because they wear the wrong T-shirt. Sure, you're a dick but it's your right to be a dick. Same with the bank.
- inactive, on 03/10/2009, -2/+24Busssiness includeing banks can refuse service to anyone. I am sure there a night clubs people can not get into because they are not good looking enough and thats not on the news
- solistus, on 03/11/2009, -1/+22It's almost like there are a diversity of opinions expressed on Digg. Can't have that.
- jimbod, on 03/10/2009, -3/+22If someone chooses to wear a scarf around their head then then can also choose to use the ATM. Like its suppose to be OK for Muslims to not identify themselves but Ninjas are required to remove their hood. That's just racist!
- KiraDnote, on 03/11/2009, -4/+23Right. If somebody wants to be covered up for religious reasons then they shouldn't go out in public. If they want to participate in the world then they have to give up their religious pretenses and reveal themselves to the public eye.
- misterjangles, on 03/11/2009, -1/+20I'm going to try this the next time airport security asks me to take off my shoes - I'll tell them it's against my religion to allow people to see my feet.
- JohnGalt750, on 03/11/2009, -0/+19RTA they didn't ask her to take it off, only to handle her transaction in another area.
What do you want to happen? Banks to say "It's ok to wear the hijab" next every other belief will want their special garb given exceptions as well. Do you really want to be standing next to a fully robed KKK member when you go to the bank? - beachsouthpaw, on 03/10/2009, -0/+19As the son of immigrants, no.
When my parents made the choice to come to the country, the made a choice to accept the country as their own. Noone forced them to do it, and if they didn't want to, they shouldn't have come.
I have a much bigger problem with having to pledge allegiance to the Queen (over country) than to pledge solidarity with the country and her values. Not to mention, since Thy Son is vague, you could really insert whatever religious belief you have to conform to the "son" in question. - BotchaMcCoola, on 03/10/2009, -2/+20First that garb is often more related to dress customs than religion per se. Second if she is that strong a Muslim what is she doing in a place that receives and pays interest? She should observe Islamic banking only.
- oriondr, on 03/10/2009, -7/+25Rules are rules. If your religion tells you to put something on your head then... you have a stupid ***** religion.
Quit it. - rheaume, on 03/10/2009, -9/+27So why not hats in a bank? They need to see my hairline? These are just blanket laws, just obey them
If I went to Iran and broke their laws, they sure as ***** wouldn't care about my beliefs in fairy tales either. - mxpx5678, on 03/11/2009, -0/+16I used to work at a bank and we had to check ID when someone wanted to cash a check or whatever, I had a lady who refused to show me ID, because I was not supposed to see what her face looks like.. Eventually she showed it to a female employee but not to me.
- Vbp6us, on 03/10/2009, -8/+23She doesn't cover her face. Did you read the article?
- BabaRamDass, on 03/10/2009, -0/+15Freedom of religion in regards to the government. Not in regards to private institutions.
- mogdor, on 03/10/2009, -3/+18She has to follow the rules just like everyone else. The security precautions won't work if anybody can just be excused from following rules for their religious reasons. Sounds like the bank was being fair to me, it's not like they refused service to her.
- pyromaster114, on 03/11/2009, -3/+18Well if she wants to be treated like everyone else she can take off her hat... cause no one else is allowed to wear hats in there, so neither is she.
Muslims and other religious fanatics like to demand we make exceptions to rules for them. No one else gets to make demands like that, so I don't understand why they think they should be able to.
"Oh well it's against my religion not bring a gun on an airplane" or "It's against my religion for me to pay a speeding ticket". See how well any of those go over. It's the same concept. -
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