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- Witchboy, on 10/11/2007, -9/+47He gets maligned for his passion, his (admitted) bias and the occasional inaccuracy. But the real reason the right hates Moore is that he is so damned effective at pointing our huge problems in our current system. He cuts to the bone and it really pisses off the status quo.
Roger and Me was brilliant. It doesn't seem left/right to me. It just seems to be advocacy for the average family. I loved parts of Bowling for Columbine. F9/11 was the most polarizing, but made good points about the military-industrial complex. Sicko looks brilliant. Everyone knows our healthcare system is *****. Moore has the balls to rock the boat.
His films aren't documentaries in the objective sense; they're passionate and often acerbic arguments for a particular view. Even in cases where his films feature the occasional inaccuracy, the overall work is based on an important truth.
I think he's a hero. - NikoKun, on 10/11/2007, -4/+26Yeah I can't wait either! Far too many people blindly dislike Michael Moore even when he does have a good point...
Looks like this article and comments are being burried... -_-
I always see people saying crap like "Why should I pay your health care..." and it's people like that, that are holding America back on these topics. Universal healthcare doesn't make the country inch toward socialism or some other lame excuse like that... We pay taxes for law enforcement, thats not socialism, we pay taxes to fix the roads everyone has to use, we pay to fight that ***** war on drugs... We pay taxes to (usually) 'help' lots of people, so why shouldn't that help be geared toward those that really need healthcare? How does caring for all citizens make this country worse?
I understand lots of people here seem to blindly hate Moore, but I think this issue is far more important than the guy who is telling you about it... - mikeyeah, on 10/11/2007, -5/+20The US health care system is the ONLY heath care system in the world that was designed to turn a profit. Yea Capitalism. Here are some fun facts about our health care system.
http://www.nchc.org/facts/coverage.shtml
Can you really call Michael Moore a horrible person for trying to point these facts out? - johnn11238, on 10/11/2007, -3/+17Anybody that uses the word "fat" when criticizing Michael Moore is obviously scraping for material.
- mrrdlc, on 10/11/2007, -2/+14Do you live in Canada? If not, you have absolutely no opinion on this matter. I'm a Canadian and have never met a substandard doctor. My daughter was sick recently, admitted to hospital for three days. EVERY nurse and doctor that we met was outstanding. My kid is back on her feet and healthy - cost to me? $0. If I lived in the States the bills would have set me back years.
- inactive, on 10/11/2007, -13/+21Very Impressive interview...Can't wait for this movie!!!
- johnn11238, on 10/11/2007, -1/+8@theblooms
True, America is usually first at technological advances. Throw enough money at something at you're going to get results. Also, most of the advances are courtesy of the University system, not private health care. As to your point about people coming here from all over the world, you are only talking about the VERY wealthy who can afford to pay outrageous American medical costs out of pocket. Increasingly, many Americans are seeking more affordable health care abroad:
http://www.udel.edu/PR/UDaily/2005/mar/tourism072505.html
Many countries have stumbled when it comes to public health care. Call me an ignorant Patriot, but I believe if anybody can get it right, we can. Not trying because "it isn't working well in Canada" is a coward's excuse. - mattxb, on 10/11/2007, -2/+9@theblooms
Profit isn't evil, but the point of view that profit is the most effective incentive we have to heal and save peoples lives is a cynical and disgusting way to see the world. - widman, on 10/11/2007, -5/+11@theblooms
Only if you have very expensive insurance. - Eragmus, on 10/11/2007, -3/+8Just for you people out there who don't understand the problem... watch the entire 1-hour "Big Bucks Big Pharma" here:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6839989630008583884
It's a good preview for Moore's film and lays the foundation for what he's saying. - Genady, on 10/11/2007, -1/+5@theblooms
"Explain to me why you think turning a profit is 'evil'."
Profit derived from the suffering of others is evil.
Deal with it. - Aidanjalali, on 10/11/2007, -3/+7"People who point out problems are less important that people who work to fix problems."
Sometimes people who are pointing out the problems are in turn working to fix the problems. Do you not think MM is a prime example? Regardless of his biased and sometimes hypocritical views, he's trying to rock the boat so that things can be fixed. Face it america, you're not on the world's most admired list at the moment... - mrrdlc, on 10/11/2007, -3/+7Thank God I don't live in the US! I have relatives who live there, so yes, I do have an opinion on the matter. Oh, and "theBlooms", welcome to my blocked list, you asshat!
- widman, on 10/11/2007, -3/+7Sorry, forgo to make it explicit for the people new to the debate. USA, the most powerful and rich country in the world, doesn't have a free universal /public/ health care system. Even many third world countries have it, many very democratic and centre-right (before someone makes a redherring on Cuba and communism.)
- emot, on 10/11/2007, -10/+13Get your head out of your ass! This is exactly what's wrong with the US. If he was handsome and thin, would you agree with his humanitarian goals? The guy cares about derailing this slippery slide of ***** all Americans seem to be gleefully riding. Buried!
- JaDurbin, on 10/11/2007, -3/+6Did you see the video? Most of his subjects WERE people work and have insurance.
- xkhaozx, on 10/11/2007, -11/+14Darthjay:
Wow, if you hate Michael Moore so much, why are you still here making random retarded posts. Either use some real rational evidence and arguments, or get the ***** out of here. - bariswheel, on 10/11/2007, -1/+4I abhor this kind of comment....all statement and no backing to justify the statement. It adds zero substance to the discourse and does nothing but cause inflammation and sensationalism. I was very close to blocking this idiot, but I'm trying not to block people because of their opinions, but then again, this guy's comments are bordering on spam since he showed us nothing but told us everything. All you've got is that he's fat...? You're not scraping for material, sir, you have no material.
- NikoKun, on 10/11/2007, -4/+7@theblooms, we may have good researchers, but we still have one of the worlds crappiest health care systems... -_-
And even the researchers aren't allowed to cure things, cause the pharma companies wont market cures... - Pharos, on 10/11/2007, -0/+34 months for an MRI - speaking from personal experience.
- theblooms, on 10/11/2007, -1/+4It took me less than 1 week. I went to my Primary Care Physician on Tuesday, had an appointment with a Neurologist for the following Friday, and I had my MRI the next Monday.
Oh, and the total outlay of cash was under $100. $10 to my Primary Care, $30 to the Neurologist, and $50 for the MRI. Blue Cross and Blue Shield. - 15charmaxwtf, on 10/11/2007, -4/+7Everybody in the system is working for a profit. What is their profit? When someone one trades they profit, they wouldn't have traded otherwise! So, a doctor is working for her pay. She thinks the money and everything else she gets out of the job (its different for everyone) is worth more than the time given. The deference between what she gives away and what she receives is the profit she gets. Profit is not always money, it could be simply the satisfaction of helping someone else.
People voting with their wallets is usually a good day to find out if your doing a good job. The thing to remember is that there isn't a free market for health care its more like some fascist thing, for instance, the government sets how many people can go through medical school. As there is less supply of doctors they cost more. It is government intervention that caused the problem, so it is utterly foolish to try and use the same thing to do more to fix it, it should do less, and get out of peoples way (and it should do something to get the special interests out of politics altogether.) - NikoKun, on 10/11/2007, -6/+8So I see it's still quite popular on Digg to blindly dis Michael Moore, even when he has a good movie with a very good point.
sheesh... - swifty383, on 10/11/2007, -3/+5Michael Moore clearly doesn't understand economics. There's no such thing as "free" health care. The money has to come from somewhere. I'm not saying that big pharmaceutical companies are benevolent but our health care system was a lot better off before the federal government got involved.
- DyDx, on 10/11/2007, -0/+2so.. lopla... you're joking, right?
- Nupeper, on 10/11/2007, -7/+9I can't understand why anyone would have a problem with free heath care... I guess maybe when you or someone you care about gets sick and you either get your head out of your ass and realize you're working your ass off but still don't have insurance, or the insurance you have to scrimp and save for denies your claim, will you still be thinking "I'm glad I can't afford my medical bills, I'd rather suffer and or die than be a commie"? and sense when does free heath care = communist we're the exception when it comes to western countries, we're THE ONLY ones spending more on military, than health care and education, and our troops still don't have what they need...
OK digg me down now - DyDx, on 10/11/2007, -2/+4Uh, how about the doctors compete through _quality of care_?
- jimmiss, on 10/11/2007, -0/+2I complained about severe stomach problems, turns out it was an ulcer. I had and MRI in a little less than a week.
- jimmiss, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1Fake comment. Nobody is that dumb.
- DyDx, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1to answer your last comment... because Americans are selfish *****. I'm an American, so I should know!
- MGKtz036, on 10/11/2007, -1/+2Health care reform is all about the "holy trinity": quality, cost, and access. You can always fix 2 of them... but you'll never have the third.
So many comments mention Canada... as an American, I'd be curious to know how long it takes to get an MRI in Canada for a non-emergent condition.
Sure... there are lots of things wrong with the American health care system, but if you want to see what we really want from our hospitals and physicians, just turn on House M.D. High cost, high tech, on-demand health care. - DyDx, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1@pharos: What was the condition or symptoms, if you don't mind me asking? I'm curious as to how much they can rush those sorts of things depending on severity. If I lived in Canada, I would have no problem waiting for non-emergency stuff like that since its FREE -- unless it was something that was truly a pain in the ass (for example, a painful but not life-threatening condition that doesn't have to be treated immediately).
- jimmiss, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1Our health care is better than yours though.
- Pharos, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1@DyDx
Nothing life-threatening. I've been having severe headaches off-and-on for the last 6 months or so, and after going through the traditional tests they opted to perform the MRI as a last resort. Ideally, it would have been nice to get in quicker, but honestly it's not that big of a deal. - jimmiss, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1Canadians health care isn't THAT good, you have to wait a long time, even Canadians say that.
First of all, that's just a funding issue. We need more doctors because of the aging population.
That said, if you had Cancer would you rather...
1.) Pay nothing, receive equal medical treatment, and wait an hour to get in.
2.) Pay tens of thousands of dollars, get the same medical treatment, and wait _half_an_hour_ to get in.
Often, you get in instantly. But if you come in with a headache, and there has just been a huge accident with dead and wounded coming in. You may have to wait much longer. I PERSONALLY don' t have a problem with that. However there are lots of morons out there who don't understand that they are not the most important people in the world. You would have to wait just as long down in that States as you would here if the same situation arose. - DrFriendly, on 10/11/2007, -2/+3"It doesn't seem left/right to me. It just seems to be advocacy for the average family."
I hate to be nitpicking but isn't standing up for average Joe what socialism is all about? I like most of the things Moore does, but it seems hard to deny that he's biased towards the left.
I don't really mind the bias in his films though, he's completely transparent and unapologetic about it, unlike Fox News. It seems that if you want to initiate change in America you have to be a little loud and obnoxious. I guess if everybody loves you, it's probably because you're not changing anything. - mrrdlc, on 10/11/2007, -2/+3Double post, dig down...
- kinseyincanada, on 10/11/2007, -1/+2i dont think everybody should use canada to talk about free health care, the free healther care in canada is not outstanding, but for the most part its free, people should not get better health care and treatment just because they are rich, every human is equal. the best form of health care is a mix of free health care and privitization, canada, cuba, and north korea are the only nations with free health care that do not have this, thou it is changing, with certain laws being passed. if you want to see a great health care system go to france or sweden they have great health care.
also why do americans hate socialism so much? - jimmiss, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1I'm from Canada and you don't know what the hell you're talking about. Our Doctors and other Medical Professionals are top notch. The _only_ problem is we need more funding for Medicare due to the aging population.
Have cancer in Canada? The only bill you have to deal with is a taxi ride to the hospital sometimes. Enough said. Oh yeah, I'm so broke because of medicare... I really miss that 50 cents a week or whatever it costs us. - ghawg, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1"I found these wonderful things called fruits and vegetables" : D
Awesome. Moore looks great and seems very humbled and subdued. I thoroughly enjoyed watching this interview. - minoss, on 10/11/2007, -3/+4Agreed. Get rid of the government health care system entirely
- rugger, on 10/11/2007, -2/+3There is no such thing as a free lunch, or free health care for that matter. Its either we all share the cost for everyones health care, or we only pay for the health care we receive. Or somewhere in the middle i guess
- Adamande, on 10/11/2007, -1/+2theblooms
"In 2006, BBC flagship news programme Newsnight featured Cuba's Healthcare system as part of a series identifying "the world's best public services". The report noted that "Thanks chiefly to the American economic blockade, but partly also to the web of strange rules and regulations that constrict Cuban life, the economy is in a terrible mess: national income per head is minuscule, and resources are amazingly tight. Healthcare, however, is a top national priority" The report stated that life expectancy and infant mortality rates are pretty much the same as the USA's. Its doctor-to-patient ratios stand comparison to any country in Western Europe. Its annual total health spend per head, however, comes in at $251; just over a tenth of the UK's. The report concluded that the population's admirable health is one of the key reasons why Castro is still in power.[20]"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Healthcare_in_Cuba - bariswheel, on 10/11/2007, -2/+3The reason you're getting buried darth is you're telling us everything but showing us nothing. Obviously you feel passionately about this, you've posted 4 times now on this thread, stop being the lazy fat tard you accuse MM of being and start citing your evidence and back up your statement, maybe then people will stop digging you down. Otherwise you have no place being on digg, you can go back to myspace and youtube and make your spammy comments there.
- triphop, on 10/11/2007, -1/+2That about sums it up for those against universal payer health systems - they live in a fictional world.
- LexisNexis, on 10/11/2007, -2/+3He has lost a lot of weight and looks a lot better now. I noticed straight away, even Maher commented on it in the video.
- charlie55, on 10/11/2007, -1/+1the problem with moore is that even if he happens to be right about somthing (he is wrong about health care), it doesnt matter, because he lies so much you cant trust him at all.
- triphop, on 10/11/2007, -2/+2Unfortunately years of propaganda and crappy public education have rendered a large number of Americans into people who deny the very facts in front of them. One just has to look at infant mortality in the richest country in the world and see that something is very wrong. We have a system that simply does not work (for the patients that is) as well universal payer systems found in the rest of the developed world.
- ianam, on 10/11/2007, -0/+0I know the guy who directed FahrenHYPE -- he's a whore who fakes it, and you're one of his tricks. There's a reason that Fahrenheit 911 is critically acclaimed and FahrenHYPE 911 is virtually unknown -- the former is quality work and the latter is trash.
- ianam, on 10/11/2007, -0/+0"The problem I see with free healthcare is doctors would no longer have a reason to be outstanding. If a price is set for a medical examination and doctors can no longer charge a different price then whats the point in giving extra effort in diagnosis. I don't think people realize how important competition is to this field. Anyways if you don't believe it check out whats happened to Canada and their free healthcare system."
How do people get this stupid? Under the U.S. system, insurance companies set the max prices, they set the treatments -- doctors do as little as possible so as to maximize their profit, and they compete toward the bottom, underbidding each other in what they charge the insurance companies -- those savings go to the insurance companies, not to the patients. Universal healthcare works the other way around -- all savings go to the taxpayers, eliminating the middleman insurance companies that skim a huge chunk -- something like 30% -- off the top.
As for Canada, you have no idea what you're talking about, dittohead.Unless you're rich, every national heath care system outperforms that of the U.S.in numerous categories -- the U.S. ranks at or near the bottom compared to other industrialized nations. -
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